Laurence Fox and the woke McCarthyists

Disagree with the cultural elites and they will try to destroy you.

Brendan O'Neill

Brendan O'Neill
Editor

The ongoing fallout from Laurence Fox’s appearance on Question Time last Thursday is nothing short of staggering. It confirms, in a chilling way, how intolerant the cultural elites have become and how viciously they will pounce on anyone who deviates from their political and moral script. Actors, singers, artists and the rest of us, too, have been put on notice: ‘Disagree with us, the righteous woke people, and you will be destroyed.’

Fox, an actor and singer-songwriter, is now essentially a speechcriminal. Members of the actors’ union Equity have effectively called for him to be blacklisted, like PC incarnations of Joe McCarthy. Leading journalists have denounced him as ‘far right’ even though he said not one single thing that could be deemed ‘far right’. But then, the ‘far right’ insult is rarely intended to be accurate these days. Instead, it is a means of marking someone out as evil, as disobedient, as too questioning of correct-thought as defined by PC elites. Calling Fox ‘far right’ is another species of blacklisting, the foul intention being to discourage producers from ever employing him again.

And what, precisely, were Fox’s speechcrimes? This is where it gets genuinely scary. Everything he said on QT was perfectly reasonable. Great numbers of people will have been cheering him on. He said he was bored of the idea that the media criticism of Meghan Markle is driven by racism. He questioned the idea that the next Labour leader should be chosen on the basis of sex and said instead that we should judge politicians by their beliefs and achievements. He mocked celebs for lecturing everyone about climate change. He pushed back against an audience member who suggested he enjoyed white privilege, pointing out that it wasn’t him, Fox, who mentioned people’s skin colour, but them, his voluble detractors.

Not only is this not far right – it is also sensible and refreshing. It is the opposite of far right, in fact. In refusing to talk about people’s racial origins, and instead saying we should engage with people as individuals, on the basis of their character and their beliefs, Fox was expressing what would have been seen as a decent, progressive, essential approach to everyday life just a couple of decades ago.

Yet now, the hyper-racialised, deeply divisive politics of identity has become so entrenched in cultural and political circles that it has become a thoughtcrime to refuse to think and act racially. Now, to be considered a good person, you must have race at the forefront of your mind at all times. To many of us, though, this is a repugnant idea that runs counter to the great civil-rights arguments of the late 20th century, and which grates against modernity and equality by seeking to shove everyone back into the biological boxes that humankind spent so long trying to escape.

Fox’s worst speechcrime was to challenge the tendency for reading racism into everything. He said racism is a very serious issue and we should always call it out when we see or hear it. But, he countenanced, we shouldn’t brand people ‘racist’ simply because we disagree with them.

This is absolutely right. It isn’t Fox who is diminishing the seriousness of racism – it is his hysterical woke denouncers. The people who cry racism are like the boy who cried wolf. In seeing racism in every anti-Meghan newspaper column, in every act of cultural sharing (‘cultural appropriation’), in innocent conversational slip-ups (‘microaggressions’), and in every movie in which a black character doesn’t have the exact same amount of dialogue as the white characters, these new racialists downplay the foulness of real racism and make it harder for people to spot it when it actually happens.

For raising these concerns, Fox has been demonised to an extraordinary degree. On the funny side, Lily Allen said she is ‘sick to death of luvvies like Laurence Fox going on TV and forcing their opinions on everybody else’. Pot, kettle, black. Allen has been foisting her shallow, performative opinions down the public’s throat for years. Her lack of self-awareness is virtually pathological. On the less funny side, the minority ethnic members committee of Equity branded Fox a ‘disgrace to our industry’ and called on the acting world to ‘unequivocally denounce’ him. The committee’s tweet has since been deleted. This was a brazen attempt to have an actor blacklisted. Perhaps everyone who wants to work in the cultural sphere should first be asked: ‘Do you now, or have you ever, held anti-woke opinions?’

The outburst of woke McCarthyism in response to Fox’s refreshing deviation from PC blather is a worrying sign of the times. It confirms how shrunken the parameters of acceptable thought have become, and how unforgiving the cultural establishment is of divergent or independent thinking. But it also suggests these people are panicked, too. And this is the good part of the story. These people are panicked because they know, not least courtesy of Brexit and the mass rejection of Corbynism, that their stifling, illiberal, elitist racialism and unearned sense of moral superiority just do not cut it with the public anymore, if they ever did. People don’t buy this stuff. What will have horrified them most about QT was not so much Fox himself as the thought of all those ordinary people nodding along to Fox’s comments. The horror! Their blind fury with Fox unveils their own nagging sense that they are an isolated, decadent elite whose divisive and undemocratic values are held in disdain by most of the public. They’re right on that, at least.

So let’s have more people like Fox speaking up and speaking out. On spiked this week, we have more of Fox himself. The day after QT, he sat down with me for my podcast and we talked about all of the above. About how wokeness has become a doomsday cult, about the intolerance of the cultural industries, about the brilliance of Brexit and its pushback against the establishment, and about why we both love freedom of speech. You don’t want to miss this. Listen to it here.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

Steve Gray

30th January 2020 at 8:59 pm

‘Wokeness’ is an expression of authoritarianism, motivated by egotism on the one hand and deep misanthropy on the other.

Its advocates might attempt to ‘normalise’ their actions but their methods are those of dictators through the ages : dogma, censorship, smears, etc, etc.

Terry Christian recently illustrated what lies behind the virtue-signalling PR ; namely the idea that certain humans deserve to be treated as less-than-human. Subscribe to ‘wokeness’, and you join this Ten Minutes Hate.

farkennel smith

26th January 2020 at 3:28 pm

The author gripes about correctness and then says humankind in place of mankind.Perhaps he`s more in agreement with Lilly Allen than he would like to admit.

John Allman

25th January 2020 at 11:18 pm

Racism isn’t a binary, whereby this or that person or behaviour either is or isn’t racist. It isn’t even a spectrum, but rather a multi-dimensional continuum.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

25th January 2020 at 6:53 pm

Fox is just another moaning, over-privileged public school type who doesn’t like being challenged. It is absurd for him to claim that this is a ‘lovely country’ and not racist. How the hell would he know?

Cedar Grove

26th January 2020 at 7:21 pm

He might, for example, be looking at legislation which makes racial discrimination a crime, or be noticing that cafes are not segregated, or have friends with inter-racial marriages, or have read the post-Stephen Lawrence reports.

To declare in a stupidly un-nuanced way that Britain is racist invites the response that the last half-century of interrogating that concept, standing back and letting ethnic minority people lead the debate, & passing legislation to secure a framework for equality, was all a complete waste of time.

Ma Har

24th January 2020 at 10:33 pm

“Unless democracy is to commit suicide by consenting to its own destruction, it will have to find some formidable answer to those who come to it saying: I demand from you in the name of your principles the rights which I shall deny to you later in the name of my principles.” ~ Walter Lippmann

Fred Shred

24th January 2020 at 8:50 pm

Philosophy encourages systemic doubt.  Doubt facilitates tolerance. The effect is ethical.

“Thinking and the desire to understand don’t come naturally – contrary to what Aristotle believed. Unlike, say, sex and gossip, philosophy is not a universal interest. Bertrand Russell came closer when he said, “Most people would rather die than think; many do.”

Thinking is difficult. It requires us to overcome personal biases and pitfalls in reasoning; and the cultivation of an ability to hold opposing viewpoints in suspension. This necessitates tolerant dialogue, and imagining divergent views while weighing them up.

The woke brigade have no doubts. Doubt, and nuance, worry most people.  Fragile / average minds are drawn to simple certainties.  That has always been the function of organised religion for the bulk of humankind.  The woke brigade are best suited to any context which eschews nuance, or doubt.  In previous times, most of them would have been  bible-bashers or born agains.  Since organised religion is no longer fashionable, they fill the gap with trendy secular belief-systems. Cf. Nietzche’s quip about those who, ‘… having got rid of the Christian God … think themselves obliged to cling firmer than ever to Christian morality …’.  This century’s anti-intellectual trend underpins no-platforming, trigger warnings, self-obsessed identity-politics, online flaming etc etc.  The world is increasingly full of intolerant secularists who sneer at traditional belief-systems while clinging frantically to sectarian secular belief systems with a zeal that would put the average born-again to shame.  The irony is lost on them – self-knowledge and a sense of humour are invariably entirely lacking in these bell-ends.

In this case, she may well feel that a white bloke might not always recognise anti-black racism.  But her task is then to debate the facts with him – and thereby expose the intellectual weakness of his position. It is not enough merely to allege that your opponent (because of their sex, race, class etc) “must be” ignorant. They may well be; they might not be.  Your task is to take them on in an actual debate.  If they are indeed as poorly-informed as you claim their background must cause them to be, then presumably you will not have much difficulty demolishing their ignorant arguments.  

As things stand, I don’t know who won that debate; *since no debate or discussion occurred*.  

Alarmingly, she seems to think that making a lazy allegation of generalised ignorance which you then fail to substantiate amounts to “having a debate” (if her crowing about it next day on twitter is anything to go by).  

Paul Weston

24th January 2020 at 8:49 am

The trouble with Mr Fox taking a stand is that he only knows about 10% of what he needs to know in order to really take it to the Left. I see he is undone already re Sikh soldiers in WW1. Shame.

Chris Thorogood

24th January 2020 at 9:44 pm

Fox’s mistake about the misplaced Sikh was allowing himself to be taken out of context. He’s already stated he would prefered to see a whole Sikh unit in the film ratehr than woke social conditioning.

NJ Fulton

25th January 2020 at 10:09 am

I don’t think he is “undone”, he can’t be expected to know everything: he has only just started commenting publicly on these issues. Of course he will get slurs from the left because of this slip-up, but he was going to get those anyway. I really hope it doesn’t put him off, I really admire his “eff them” attitude and his bravery.

Jerry Owen

25th January 2020 at 10:55 am

Another ten percent and he can trash them !

David Green

30th January 2020 at 5:34 pm

10% is a billion times more than he needs, or maybe a trillion times.
His support is nationwide reflected in the referendum and the election; people have had enough of being branded thickos and want to be represented by genuine democrats not by the PC elite, we know best, fanatics infecting our constitutions like syphilis.

Christopher Evans

24th January 2020 at 5:26 am

The woke left are the true racists who have a habit of labelling everyone in the guise of looking out for them. In reality, they are ‘using’ them to further their socialist aims. That’s how I see it anyway. Well done Lawrence Fox for standing up to this BS and yet another great article Brendon. http://www.numerologyconnection.com

Chris Thorogood

24th January 2020 at 9:52 pm

Indeed. People of colour must adopt the woke’s thoughts and vote the correct way. Otherwise they are ‘Uncle Toms’

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

22nd January 2020 at 12:42 pm

I just wonder how many of the unwoke keyboard warriors here would actually have the spine to stand up and publicly oppose the real danger to this country. You know which Middle Eastern death cult I’m talking about.

nick hunt

22nd January 2020 at 8:37 pm

As one of the most active keyboard warriors among us, you must have posted your admiration for the truly brave warriors who take on that death cult and its many radical supporters here in the UK. Why not reiterate your support and admiration for Tommy Robinson?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

24th January 2020 at 10:22 pm

I don’t know enough about Yaxley-Lennon to have an opinion on him. Any opposition to Islam in this country must be based on Christian revelation, not secularism or violence.

Jerry Owen

25th January 2020 at 10:58 am

ZP
How ironic that you believe the word ‘woke’ is non existent and a figment of the ‘rights’ imagination as you have stated in a previous comment, yet you have used it several times since.
Are you a hypocrite?
Do tell?

Dingo Remus

22nd January 2020 at 5:38 am

It all started in the classical fashion. On16 Feb 1990. A black work colleague Harry Brandy called me a “White C
**t” and a “Redneck racist C**t!” Because we applied for the same promotion. Fast forward to the Brandy High Court decision 23 Feb 1995. Wiped me out. Never allowed to work Ab Affairs again. Lost everything. No apoligy. Nothing. Racism only works one way

Jill W

22nd January 2020 at 12:26 am

This laundering, by some, that those who agreed with LF must be right wing supporters, ironically reinforces that we cannot rationally assess unless we sit within an identity, groupthink. Deliberately obtuse to ensure we view this through the lens of gang politics.
But, even if you do not care about the famous, when attempts are made to close you down, ruin your reputation, maybe in the school or workplace, you may feel differently. Tactical silencing, reputational damage, monopolising and othering isolates.
Maybe, approach injustice objectively and not as a pre-determined hierarchy if we are to be a healthy society.
Harmony can never be declared while it serves too many to disrupt it.
That LF is viewed as radical, in a supposedly free society, says it all really

Jason Daves

21st January 2020 at 11:39 pm

99% of the time I read about ‘racism’ it is merely used as a way to control or punish someone. Racists must be like Bigfoot: conspirists say they’re everywhere, but no one’s actually seen one.

nick hunt

22nd January 2020 at 8:40 pm

Public life and spaces are stuffed with leftist supremacists and their beliefs, but I don’t recall ever meeting a white supremacist.

Echo Romulus

21st January 2020 at 6:31 pm

Yes, it does work both ways. If you claim the word racism has lost all meaning, then you can no longer use it against your opponents, like Fox attempted to do.

I see your shoe size IQ is showing. I didn’t claim the word has lost meaning. Keep up.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 7:45 pm

You implied as much.

“your little magic words no longer hold the magic they once did”

This works both ways. How difficult is this for you to understand?

Echo Romulus

21st January 2020 at 11:45 pm

I said “It appears that you are worried that your little magic words no longer hold the magic they once did and are fearful of white people finally waking up to the nonsense that it is.”

In other words; White people are no longer fearful of being called racist.

That is not to say that the term racist has “no meaning”. It is to say the term doesn’t hold the same weight as it once did.

“This works both ways. How difficult is this for you to understand?”

As i have already explained to you:

“The “magic” of the term “racist” only worked when Ethnics used the term on Whites. So, no, it doesn’t work both ways.”

Jerry Owen

25th January 2020 at 11:00 am

Racism exists but not where the left think it is.

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21st January 2020 at 4:29 pm

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Simon C

21st January 2020 at 12:04 pm

I used to have a well paid job in banking. When I looked around me the highest paid people were mostly white and male. For the last 10 years I’ve had a much lower paid job in the fields of addiction, mental health and homelessness. Now I look around at the people struggling the most with those thing and, guess what… they’re mostly white and male.

It seems to me that calling people out on their privilege says much more about your privilege than theirs. And also suggests you need to widen your horizons.

As for Fox and Allen it’s pretty obvious to the rest of us where their privilege come from.

brent mckeon

21st January 2020 at 9:57 am

The fact that an opinion has been widley held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd, indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind (oops Peoplekind) a widely spread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. Bertrand Russell

brent mckeon

21st January 2020 at 9:58 am

widely not widley

Alun Reynolds

21st January 2020 at 12:12 pm

You pendant 🙂

brent mckeon

21st January 2020 at 9:54 am

It is discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit. Noel Coward.

nick hunt

22nd January 2020 at 8:49 pm

You remind me of Roger Scruton and why leftists feared and smeared him so:
“It is not falsehood that causes the greatest offence, but truth. You can endure insults and abuse when you know them to be false. But if the remarks that offend you are true, their truth becomes a dagger in the soul – you cry “lies!” at the top of your voice, and know that you must silence the one who utters them.”

https://www.roger-scruton.com/articles/2-books/222-the-ring-of-truth.html

brent mckeon

21st January 2020 at 9:52 am

My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular – Adlai Stevenson.

Carlo Guli

21st January 2020 at 7:46 am

I’m actually kind of pleased with things like these happening. The more I hear these intolerable hypocrites cry and shout the more I smile. It can only mean they are running scared and the more they cry and shout, the deeper they are digging a grave for their foolish ideas.

Dan Under

21st January 2020 at 6:05 am

The pecksniffian rigidity of wokeness guarantees its inescapable inability to be malleable, sufficiently robust yet flexible, principled and out of sight. It is by definition unsustainable and the author of its own demise. I suspect that woke people, groups and institutions intuitively realise this, hence their current maniacal tightening grip and desperate rants testament to their diminishing control on the mores and speech of the moment. They know it, we know it, and indeed Greta and her lot know it. The UN know that their Cloward-Piven strategy is failing. 2030 will not arrive with them at the administrative helm of the neo-Marxist corporatist rainbow obsessed globalist edifice. No siree.

Terence Ballard

21st January 2020 at 4:36 am

I’d love to speak to Michael Stipe and REM about this after they did that song “Exhuming McCarthy” back in the 80s, accusing Republicans of McCarthyism, because it’s now the politically correct folk like Stipe and the other members of REM who have become the McCarthyites, and they were PC before it was fashionable, they were PC pioneers.

Michael Green

20th January 2020 at 8:13 pm

The woke “are an isolated, decadent elite whose divisive and undemocratic values are held in disdain by most of the public.”

Simon C

21st January 2020 at 12:26 pm

Woke gets the clicks though doesn’t it? Which is why it’s such a popular subject on the Guardian, BBC online…. and even Spiked!

nick hunt

22nd January 2020 at 8:56 pm

Sounds like you think something highly topical means somethign good

Simon C

23rd January 2020 at 12:02 pm

Then you heard wrong, Nick. Personally I agree with Michael. Woke ID politics are highly divisive. However anything is ‘good’ to those who can cash in on it i.e. the media and celebrities the more divisive it is the better. And that goes as much for those who claim to be against it as those who claim to be for it.

jessica christon

20th January 2020 at 7:59 pm

I haven’t watched QT in ages because it’s usually excruciatingly predictable and boring, but this one sounds like it’s worth checking out!

Mike Stallard

21st January 2020 at 7:21 am

I am the same about Question Time.
But I listened for a whole hour to the excellent discussion in the clip and came away really impressed. At last the condescending prigs have been challenged.
Off now to paint a picture of the Labour Contesters at their Hustings! I cannot resist their condescending, complacent expressions!

Christopher Tyson

20th January 2020 at 7:10 pm

A really enjoyable interview. So many interesting points. Mystique for royalty and artist is a precious commodity, and we’ve reached a point where celebrity culture now looks like a greater threat to the monarchy than republicanism. Laurence Fox (showbiz royalty) has also been driven out of the shadows, and taken some risks with his career. Reason and feminism, I’ve recently found a copy of ‘A Vindication of the Rights of Women’ by Mary Wollstonecraft, I’ve not previously read it. Certainly there is some convoluted prose but it’s pretty breezy by the standards of its time. It is optimists, reasonable, good humoured, but most striking is Wollstonecraft’s commitment to and belief in reason, suffice to say it’s worth seeing the integrity and optimism of the early woman’s rights movement.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 8:10 pm

Huh? Mary Wollstonecraft was a myopic upper-class twit. She failed to see that the whole of the law re marriage, divorce and child custody was set up in the interests of women. That it might not entirely suit a woman from her rarefied social milieu was beside the point: it was how it served women in general, which it did very well. No man could ignore his financial responsibilities to his family, irrespective of the circumstances. That was an imposition on men, not on women.

Willie Penwright

21st January 2020 at 10:05 am

Mary Wollstonecraft was also white and there are photographs to prove it.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 9:09 pm

And liked a dicking to boot. How could someone so tediously ‘prototypical’ be accorded such hokey wokey status? Well, being canonized so long ago, the hokey wokers couldn’t dump her, and Mary Seacoals were as rare as genuine trans-sexuals.

Cedar Grove

26th January 2020 at 7:27 pm

Expecting you to provide for the children you spawn is an imposition? You excel yourself with that one.

Puddy Cat

20th January 2020 at 6:43 pm

What we are actually talking about is world government. Within the actions of many disparate groups pronouncing on such things as human rights and climate change there is a tendency to ignore borders and the constitutional approach. Where nationalism separates the contortions of extra socialist association presents a weird and untruthful comprehension and conformity outside statehood and the vote.

The UN is at the centre of such things where, outside the veto, there is a cosy consensus of which we should be extremely wary. It is that of the socialist movement which speaks in terms of jealousy rather than ambition. The preponderance of nations that seek an odd form of equality through special pleading placing the responsibility for their existence on other nations.

We have already seen the way in which insipid regimes can use extortion to overblow AGW where that proposition demands reparations for backwardness and sterility, ignoring completely the tribulations of the wage slave commuter. This is entirely the thinking behind the Cargo Cult transcribed into socialist parlance.

The latest conception of the UN is that the wealthy should be made to support those that migrate because of the effects of climate change. That is but another way of asserting that the underdeveloped have access to your wallet on the basis of a refutable hypothesis.

There are nation in the Pacific who opine that their island fastness is about to submerge because of the actions of a car worker on Merseyside. While the once thriving port if Ephesus, and the fate of Cinque ports, where Sandwich is now two miles inland.

The redistribution of wealth is a simplistic approach to advancement. The conference in London engaging African nations seeks to talk in terms of investment and development and refutes the efficacy of foreign in favour of self-sustainability. Easter Island shows how enterprise without self-denial and structure is wasteful. Applying the sentimental thumbscrew to Western nations should be outlawed.

The way has been that those ruled by a foreign power move heaven and earth for their freedom form colonialism, that condition which they name solely as being responsible for all their ills. Upon the grant the practice of freedom quickly promotes conditions such as despotism, irresponsibility and failure. Statecraft can overcome most issues that man faces; it is lack of craft that over-simplifies the condition of mankind.

Richard Cooper

20th January 2020 at 5:49 pm

How dare he argue with an SJW? Next he will speak ill of St Greta!

Alley Kat

20th January 2020 at 5:17 pm

I haven’t said pot kettle black for years.
I self censored to pot kettle tarnished.

Terry Nutkins

20th January 2020 at 5:06 pm

“He said racism is a very serious issue and we should always call it out when we see or hear it”. What he said was that we should only call it out when it is ‘clear and obvious’. He didn’t illuminate us on what he thought we should do with racism which is subtle and hiding, unspoken, in subtext. Presumably gloss over it and pretend it’s not there? That’s very easy for him to suggest…

NEIL DATSON

20th January 2020 at 6:47 pm

Terry, kindly enlighten us. Whose task should it be to detect and point out the ‘racism that is subtle and hiding, unspoken, in subtext’? How are the rest of us to know that their judgement is to be trusted?

Terry Nutkins1

20th January 2020 at 7:46 pm

I dunno. How about the people that might be experiencing it? Unless you require independent verification for some ghoulish reason. I ask again, if racism is only to be called out when it’s obvious, what should we do with racism which is not obvious?

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 8:53 pm

You mean the supposed racism that people like you imagine is within everyone else as part of your ‘projection’ on to everyone else of the natural status-seeking you deny exists within your own motivational set, despite its likely being unusually strong, given the subterfuge in expressing it?

Terry Nutkins1

20th January 2020 at 9:51 pm

Sorry, what are you even talking about? I asked a simple question about whether or not we should call out subtle racism or if, as Laurence Fox suggests, we should restrict criticism to ‘obvious’ racism. You seem to be unable to answer that. Try again?

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 11:40 pm

Neither self-aware nor insightful are you?
I said that you likely mean the supposed racism that people like you imagine is within everyone else as part of your ‘projection’ on to everyone else of the natural status-seeking you deny exists within your own motivational set, despite its likely being unusually strong, given the subterfuge in expressing it.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:14 am

Steve Moron accusing others of lacking self awareness…… ahahahaha. The irony meter is broken.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:37 am

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:51 am

“Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.”

Indeed Steve, so stop doing it.

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 7:37 am

What do you mean by ‘racism that is not obvious’?

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 8:39 am

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
How often do you need telling?
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:21 am

Steve, I said stop doing it, not keep doing it.

Terry Nutkins

21st January 2020 at 1:33 pm

Steve Moxton – perhaps you could project a little punctuation into your replies and give the rest of us a fighting chance at making sense of it. Shall I ask my simple question again? In direct response to Laurence Fox’s assertion that racism should only be called out when it is obvious, what should we do with racism that is subtle and not obvious?

Maffi Oxford

20th January 2020 at 9:45 pm

He didn’t illuminate because that is not his job. I very much doubt that he feels confident to make tha decision, unlike Lily Allen who is convinced she is right on all things and everyone else is racist, *phobic, *phobic, *phobic.

David Johnson

20th January 2020 at 10:52 pm

Indeed. And when these grievance-seeking narcissists find themselves bereft of a reason to claim the coveted status of “victim”, they invent such specious crimes, apprehensible only by them, as “micro-aggression, micro-insults and micro-invalidisation” (from the Wokeists’ bible, the Indie).
Seriously, the Left’s toxic obsession with identity politics is threatening to undermine any vestiges of social cohesion left in this country by willfully fuelling racial division and emnity.
Calling time on this anti-white racist and profoundly illiberal misandrist “woke” cult, which has taken hold of our entire cultural and intellectual establishment, is not a precursor of white supremacism, but a long overdue realignment to the prevailing public mood and plain common sense.
Hopefully Boris’s term in office will also help turn the tide.

Jim Lawrie

20th January 2020 at 5:01 pm

Mr Fox is the man to save James Bond from political correctness and wokeness. With a Yorkshire accent.

Stephen J

20th January 2020 at 4:27 pm

I am not sure if there is much before on the various conservative vlogs (a format I prefer to the podcast), but I first saw Mr. Fox with Peter Whittle the ex-kipper and current London Assemblyman. I like his interview technique and he tends towards the conservative, although not always.

I am pretty sure that some BBC staff are paid to root out evil, with peg on nose when they are on the conservative team of sniffers. They tut and purse their lips at the ridiculous stuff that they hear, and then someone not only personable, but completely untypical shows up, and the heads go up….

…. “Hmmm… He’d be good for our QT wild card!”

Anyway, I reckon that such had happened, they had seen Whittle, they had seen Trigger with the Russian, and of course the mega interview with Delingpole, and they had decided to set him up.

However, I think that he is too good for them, he is in the teflon Boris territory, and along with the public school training, the conservative upbringing from his former wild-child father, the current establishment are going to have to add him as another thorn, of the Farage sort.

The decent conservative (small c) voices are starting to mount up, and very soon the chase will be on, we need to hound the left out of education, media, the state and politics, their socialist trash is verging on a war crime, just for the fact that some folk are still trying to sell it.

Right, now I will go and listen to Brendan, many thanks.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 2:54 pm

Wokeism is now shown to be nonsense at root. Forthcoming new science review paper: ‘The falsity of identity politics (PC): negative attitude is specifically to males and for any difference, in policing male sexual access by gate-keeping group membership’. New Male Studies 8(2). ‘Pre-prints’ on-line at Researchgate, Academia.edu.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:13 am

Hahahaha zzzzzzzzzzzzzz! More copy paste junk from Eve Moron!
Give it up. Your drooling became tired decades ago.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:54 am

Lame rabid dissing from a total zero nut-job ideological crazy is neither here nor there, though if anything useful validation.
If the Henpecked one wishes to cause damage he should offer praise!

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 1:27 am

“Lame rabid dissing from a total zero nut-job ideological crazy is neither here nor there”

You’re so nearly there Steve! Keep going, there’s hope for you yet. Maybe.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 8:42 am

Constantly exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:20 am

Come on Steve there must be a mirror in your house.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 8:56 pm

The problem is the one permanently fixed in front of yer eyes obscuring the world, little Jonny Henpecked-by-his-own-adherence-to-failed-ideology.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:11 pm

What ideology Steve? Look away from the mirror and answer the question.

Neil McCaughan

20th January 2020 at 2:29 pm

Who is paying for that harridan shrieking about waycism on QT? Apparently on the staff of some mock-University, I suspect we are.

Which prompts the question – why?

Terence Ballard

21st January 2020 at 4:40 am

Edge Hill, a teacher training college college turned university, that says it all I think.

This is what tomorrow’s teachers are going to be teaching our kids.

Richard Wheatley

21st January 2020 at 9:38 am

Lamentably they are already at it today.

a watson

21st January 2020 at 9:57 am

They already are and have been doing so for some time.

Dominic Straiton

20th January 2020 at 1:38 pm

When Nick griffon went on question time his views were shown up as absurd.. This time it was Rachel Boyle and her absurd ideas who will be shown the door.

Jack Ketch

20th January 2020 at 4:50 pm

Let’s get it right Nick Griffin was set up by the BBC with a carefully selected audience guaranteed to shout him down . He was never given a chance . He spent half the show trying to refute past comments he was alleged to have made. His parties policies were never aired on the programme.

Terence Ballard

21st January 2020 at 4:42 am

Carefully selected panel as well.

Sat next to the always patronising Bonnie Greer.

At least he made her look good for once.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:32 pm

“Allen has been foisting her shallow, performative opinions down the public’s throat for years. Her lack of self-awareness is virtually pathological”

And you have been telling her and other celebrities to cease doing so all this time. Why are you not doing the same here?

Could it be that your real problem with actors etc commenting on politics is not that they’re out of touch or whatever, but that their views are not ones you approve of.

The double standards of Spiked in this are striking.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 9:39 pm

Huh?!
Because Lilly Allen talks malicious utter nonsense, being a hate-mongering PC-fascist idiot whereas Lawrence Fox actually attacks her nasty nonsense?
Jon Henpecked on Planet Left Apology as ever.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:11 am

It’s not just about Lily Allen. It’s any celebrity that dares to differ from the approved line that invites rabid screeching from you and other loons.

Why the double standard, loony Stevie?

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 9:01 pm

?! Lilly Allen is an airhead even by airhead standards, and spouts hokey wokey without the faintest understanding of it. That’s the difference.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:30 pm

“But, he countenanced, we shouldn’t brand people ‘racist’ simply because we disagree with them.”

He said this, right as he was calling an audience member who disagreed with him “racist”.

Andy Bolstridge

20th January 2020 at 1:45 pm

He called her a racist because she was – she judged him purely on the colour of his skin.

this is despite the woke crowd trying to redefine racism from “prejudiced because of skin colour” to “prejudiced only against non-white skin colour”.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 4:18 pm

Long may they continue, thus proving who the real racists are. Who’ll vote for that, or listen to woke morons anymore?

Terry Nutkins

20th January 2020 at 5:12 pm

She didn’t ‘judge’ him because if his skin colour. She suggested that in being a white, privileged male, he may not have had the raw, lived experience of the issue to be able to speak so definitively about what is and is not racist. It’s really not rocket science.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:55 pm

When was this attempt at redefining racism made? Do tell.
Who represents the “woke crowd”? Do tell.

Laurence Fox is a hypocrite no matter what weasel explanation you use to spin it.

“It’s okay when we say it” is not a line that plays well with many people.

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:22 pm

LOL well spotted.

brent mckeon

21st January 2020 at 6:11 am

Danny and Jonnie, if the Uk is so racist and horrible why are millions of ‘non whites’ bursting at the gates to get in? Where ever there is a multi cultural society (anywhere) there will be racism and in my opinion based on lots of traveling the Uk is most probably the least racist of all the multi cultural societies. The job of everyone is to be part of the solution not part of the problem. Calling all whites (in a ‘white’ country for the past 2000 years) racist is just plain evil and is definitely part of the problem, the main part.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:20 am

Who has called all white people in the UK racist?

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 4:28 pm

It’s so weird how you never ever see any articles or actors saying Trump supporters, Brexiteers, patriots, conservatives, white people etc are all racists or white supremacists or Nazis or xenophobes or Islamophobes or dumb gammons etc. This link is just one of millions proving how we are being overrun by hateful white supremacism and how the MSM are forcing their propaganda down our throats every day. Resist!.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:56 pm

Nick’s whataboutery is a sure fire sign that he knows Fox is a hypocrite and he has no response. Brilliant.

Neil McCaughan

20th January 2020 at 2:31 pm

Johnnie Cluck, the battery Henly.

Nothing to say, but always the first to parade his ideological purity. What a loss to Maoism.

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:34 pm

You gotta admit going around complaining that people call others racist because they disagree with them (which there is no doubt many people do, especially in reference to Markle) whilst doing the very same thing is just funny.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 2:45 pm

Neil still gets upset when people point out the hypocrisy of his side. Maybe one day he will grow up.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 4:27 pm

Guffaw! Nobody has so totally lost a sense of irony as the Hen-pecked one.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 2:59 pm

?! It’s calling out nonsense as nonsense in its own terms, you utter fool, Jon Hen.
It’s precisely what needs to be done.
The point is that it is ‘identity politics’ / ‘PC’/ ‘woke’ merchants who ARE the sexists and racists, and the rest of us they decry who are NOT racists ad sexists.
So it is anything but the pot calling the kettle black. The pot was never black: only the kettle was and is.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:57 pm

Steve, give it up. Your copy pasting convinces no one.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 11:46 pm

On the very contrary, the argument against ‘identity politics’ is gaining traction exponentially. Your endless boring empty trolling is regarded as what it is.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:09 am

Good for you Moron, if your comments are so popular then why do you continually have to resort to repeating yourself to me until you’re blue in the face?

You claim my comments are worthless- but you get worked up by them. Every single time.

Your mask is slipping Evie. It slipped a long time ago.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:37 am

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:52 am

You’re doing it again Evie.

Stop repeating yourself.

Echo Romulus

20th January 2020 at 3:07 pm

He didn’t call her racist because she had disagreed with him.

He called her racist because she was judging him by the colour of his skin.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:59 pm

That comment sounds a hell of a lot like:
“It’s okay when our side does it”.

She did not make any definitive judgement about him as a person based on the colour of his skin.

Echo Romulus

21st January 2020 at 7:55 am

She did make a judgement on him because of his skin colour and he rightly called her on it.

It appears that you are worried that your little magic words no longer hold the magic they once did and are fearful of white people finally waking up to the nonsense that it is.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:19 am

If the word no longer holds the same “magic”, then stop using it. And tell Fox and others to stop using it too.

This works both ways, it’s time you realised that.

Echo Romulus

21st January 2020 at 1:46 pm

The “magic” of the term racist only worked when Ethnics used the term on Whites. So, no, it doesn’t work both ways.

You are only just (and i do mean “just” as you appear to be quite slow on the uptake) beginning to figure this out.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 5:08 pm

Yes, it does work both ways. If you claim the word racism has lost all meaning, then you can no longer use it against your opponents, like Fox attempted to do.

Echo Romulus

21st January 2020 at 10:54 pm

Yes, it does work both ways. If you claim the word racism has lost all meaning, then you can no longer use it against your opponents, like Fox attempted to do.

I didn’t say the word “racist” has lost all “meaning”. Pay attention.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 4:15 pm

Is it ok to be white?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:03 pm

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/10/the-unbearable-paternalism-of-the-middle-class-left/

It seems, according to Spiked, that there are some things white people should not say.

Francis Lonergan

20th January 2020 at 5:12 pm

Did you not hear her say this “What worries me about your comments is you are a white, privileged male who has no experience in this.”? What would you call it, and that is what re reacted to and challenged her for racism, rightly!

Weyland Smith

20th January 2020 at 8:05 pm

No,
1. She said criticism of Matkle is racist – because she is black (!)
2. She dismissed Laurence Fox’s opinions – because he is white and therefore by definition privileged and therefore by definition bad and so on …
He called her a racist not because she disagreed with him -which of course she did – but because she makes all her judgements by applying 1 and 2 – i.e., simply (very simply) in terms of racial prejudice.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:01 pm

She said criticism of Markle is racist because of the double standard applied to her compared to others in the Royal Family.

She didn’t dismiss his opinions outright, she correctly pointed out that his experience in this area may be lacking because of his background.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 9:51 pm

Baloney, Henpecked. The Megzit has been criticised because she’s a bare-faced social-climbing narcissist of gigantic proportions; the nearest thing to Yoko Ono the Royal Family has ever mistakenly taken under its wing. Nobody needs any “experience” to spot this!

Weyland Smith

20th January 2020 at 10:54 pm

For some reason there’s no reply btton against @Joniie’s comment, so I’m replyig to my own.

@Jonnie

Here’s a transcript of the spat – a few stutterings etc. omitted, but pretty much verbatim.

Rachel Boyle : “Meghan has agreed to be Harry’s wife, and then the press have torn her to pieces.
and let’s be really clear about what this is, let’s call it by its name – it’s racism.
She’s a black woman and she has been torn to pieces. She has been torn to pieces.”

Laurence Fox : “It’s not racism”

RB : “It absolutely is”

LF “We’re the most tolerant, lovely country in Europe …
It’s so easy to throw the charge of racism at everybody and it’s really starting to get boring now”

RB : “Says a white privileged man, says a white privileged man ..
What worries me about your comment is you are a white privileged male who has no experience of racism .. therefore you cannot …”

+++ the spat gets cut off at this point. +++

Unfavourable treatment compared to the others in the Royal family???

Markle got a warm reception overall – press and public alike – when “she agreed to be Harry’s wife”, as did the wedding.

Harry’s mother has been hailed as a near deity and a bit of a slapper in equal measure – Harry’s parentage is forever being called into question.
Andrew is currrently paedo-friend non grata.
Charles has always had a prickly relationship with the press. Margaret was a bit of a nympho-dypso.
Fatty Fergie is a money grubber … etc.

Markle is being criticised, fairly or unfairly, for many reasons, none of which has anything to do with her blackness (whatever that is).
The upcoming court case with the Mail might shed some interesting light on her as a person.
Obviously her dad’s a privileged white racist (sorry for the tautology Jonnie) – why else would he testify against his black daughter?

@Jonnie Henley “She said criticism of Markle is racist because of the double standard applied to her compared to others in the Royal Family.”

No she didn’t did she? She said it’s because she’s black – read it again.
And it’s a crime against propositional logic to say that ‘IF Markle has been criticised more harshly than some other people THEN the critics are racist. Which is what you and Boyle are saying.

@Jonnie “She didn’t dismiss his opinions outright”

Yes she did.

@Jonnie “she correctly pointed out that his experience in this area may be lacking because of his background”

No – she said “you are a white privileged male … THEREFORE you CANNOT” – there’s no “maybe” about it.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:06 am

Weyland, in a fair world Meghan would not be the once getting slammed by the media 2/7 right now. That should be Andrew. What he’s done is far more serious than any of her crimes. Writing on a banana, eating avocados etc, the press getting all rabid over that was nonsense.

Of course she’s not the first royal to be criticised, that doesn’t make the criticism not disproportionate.

“And it’s a crime against propositional logic to say that ‘IF Markle has been criticised more harshly than some other people THEN the critics are racist.”

No it isn’t. It’s an entirely fair conclusion to draw based on the history of our society.

“No – she said “you are a white privileged male … THEREFORE you CANNOT” – there’s no “maybe” about it.”

Except in that quotation right there you missed out part of her comment. And as you noted the spat cut off there, meaning you do not have the full context of what she was saying and therefore cannot definitively claim her meaning, or that there was no “maybe” when there most certainly is.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:07 am

Nonsense Moron. The Royal Family is full of social climbers far worse than Meghan and always has been.

Anyone with functioning eyes can tell you that.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:57 am

Hey Little Henpecked rabid trill: The Megzit is in a class of her own re both social climbing and narcissism. Her name will be used to denote uber social climbing and pathological narcissism.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 1:24 am

No it won’t Steve. Calm down and write coherently. And maybe try and write something sensible for once.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 8:40 am

Do stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence

Weyland Smith

21st January 2020 at 9:23 am

@Jonnie Henley

I didn’t miss anything out – she didn’t finish, but she made it clear that Fox was a racist because of his whiteness, no maybes. And let’s not forget that the lovely Boyle took to twitter to brag about upsetting a ‘mainly white audience’. Again, pre-judging the audience based on the colour of their skin. She’s the racist here, no maybe about it.

“… that doesn’t make the criticism not disproportionate.”

Nor does it make it racist. Please provide some concrete evidence that any of the criticism is based on her race.

Oh, but you don’t need to do you? because “It’s an entirely fair conclusion to draw based on the history of
our society.” – Some white people did dome bad things in history, therefore all criticism of Markle, and by extension, any non-white person, is racist by definition.
Now that’s racism right there.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:17 am

She did not make it clear Fox was racist. She never in the whole exchange directly accused him of racism.
She stated his experience of racism was limited, that’s a very very different thing.

“Some white people did dome bad things in history, therefore all criticism of Markle, and by extension, any non-white person, is racist by definition.”

That is not what I, or anyone else, are saying. Do not put words in people’s mouths.
The disproportionate criticism of Meghan needs an explanation. Unless you have an alternative suggestion, the simplest and most obvious theory is likely the correct one. And that would be, she is held to a different standard than others because of racial bias.

Like I said, if that’s not the case, then prove so otherwise. Don’t put words in anyone’s mouth, provide the evidence.

Weyland Smith

21st January 2020 at 12:04 pm

@Jonnie Henly
I didn’t put words in your mouth. Here’s a replay:
Me: “And it’s a crime against propositional logic to say that ‘IF Markle has
been criticised more harshly than some other people THEN the critics are
racist.”
You: “No it isn’t. It’s an entirely fair conclusion to draw based on the
history of our society.”
So, The conclusion follows from the proposition, in your own words, all critics
of Markle are racist by definition.
“The disproportionate criticism ” – got any evidence to back this claim up?

“if that’s not the case, then prove so otherwise”. That’s not how proof of guilt
works – A accuses B of being a paedophile, and demands that B prove so
otherwise guilt is assumed. You make a claim, you provide the proof.

John Little

20th January 2020 at 1:18 pm

Maybe, it’s about time we gave the Woke elites a taste of their own medicine and made it illegal to threaten a persons livelihood for expressing their opinions, (as long as those opinions don’t explicitly advocate violence). Perhaps we should also make it a legal requirement that accusations of Racism must be backed up by proof, or risk being prosecuted for slander and defamation of character. A few high cost legal challenges to Universities or posturing celebrities might cause some pause for thought.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:18 pm

A Harvard educated actor speaking on the BBC’s flagship political show in defence of the mainstream media….. I think Fox’s anti elite credentials are a little thin on the ground.

Its’ funny too, since Spiked normally disapproves of actors speaking on politics, but I guess they have no objections when they agree with what’s being said.

And then, any criticism of his words is branded “McCarthyism”, which is not also hilariously inaccurate but also diminishes the serious of McCarthyism, a coordinated and sophisticated witch hunt pursued by large sections of the political elite with the aim of imprisoning dissidents.

McCarthyism is not a deleted tweet from a branch of a union.

Spiked seems to have a real problem of accepting criticism of those they approve of.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 8:59 pm

Guffaw!
‘Iidentity politics’ / ‘PC’ / the hokey wokey is far more pervasive and in-depth than McCarthyism ever was, and it continues to go exponential.
As ever Jon Henpecked is not on the sane planet as the rest of us but on Planet Left Apology.
And Fox was attacking the mainstream media, not defending it: mainstream media has largely entirely taken on board the whole ‘woke’ nonsense, and only in parts of it at least partially taken it on board.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:38 pm

Mainstream media are the ones under scrutiny for their converge of Meghan. Fox and others are thus defending them.

But it’s no surprise that Steve Moron doesn’t understand facts, since he lives in a perfectly little bubble of buzzwords and copy paste arguments that no-one cares to listen to any more.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 11:42 pm

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:00 am

Evie Moron predictable as ever!

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:35 am

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:52 am

C/P

Richard Craven

20th January 2020 at 12:48 pm

Konstantin Kisin (Russian Jewish Comedian) on wokeness.

I was informed that to perform I had to sign up to their zero tolerance policy on :-
Racism, sexism, classism, ageism, ableism, homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, anti-religion, anti-atheism. Oh, and all jokes must be respectful and kind.

It’s a comedy show. It’s not the Green Party conference where somebody’s going to burst into tears because the falafel wrap is not 100% vegan.

Willie Penwright

21st January 2020 at 10:14 am

Brilliant.

Paul Carlin

20th January 2020 at 12:43 pm

Mr O’N says it all so much more eloquently than I ever could.

I did find Lily Allen’s comments astonishing; the Princess of pose and lecture in all her left-end-of-the-bell-curve glory. Oh, well.

Tim Wheeler

20th January 2020 at 12:35 pm

I find myself 95% in agreement with Laurence.
Not necessarily disagreeing with him, I do feel that the tabloids have declared war on the Sussex couple and are looking to trash them at every opportunity. The journos can be extraordinarily unforgiving once they sink their teeth into a victim. So – although I loath the woke, racialised agenda, my feeling is it is ‘six of one vs half a dozen of the other’. Best get off to Canada quick as possible – and best of luck to ’em. Meantime – More Power To Laurence!

Michael Lynch

20th January 2020 at 1:45 pm

Oh come on, Tim. I agree that we are all hypocrites in one way or another and that Meghan and Harry are no different in that respect; the practicalities of earning a living, and living life itself, renders us all so. I mean, how many times have we all been pulled up by our partners, friends and work colleagues of saying one thing and doing the other. Yet there’s this kind of ‘run of the mill’ hypocrisy and then there’s taking the piss and that’s exactly what the Duchess of Meghanland is doing. They were in Africa surrounded by people in dire, crippling, vile poverty and inequality and yet these two grifters seemed more intent on banging on about their problems. You can’t be rich and privileged and then claim that you are somehow disadvantaged. It was embarrassing and disgusting to watch their sniveling against that sort of backdrop. You also can’t fly around the world in private jets owned by the unofficial Queen of England and then lecture the rest of us about our flying habits. Thank God for the British Press, for all its own inconsistencies and hypocrisy, for calling this out. I’m just wondering now how Harry will fair when he goes back home with only half the goodies. He’s about as useful to her now as half a plank!

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:36 pm

“They were in Africa surrounded by people in dire, crippling, vile poverty and inequality and yet these two grifters seemed more intent on banging on about their problems. ”

Totally agree and that was a downright disgrace.

Normally members of the liberal left would rage at rich people going to socio economically deprived parts of the world and crying and bleating about their own lot in life but they don’t in the case of these two pampered (now ex) Royals and we all know why.

Had a Premier League footballer gone to Africa to meet deprived kids then cried because he was getting stick in the stadiums at home he would have been ripped to shreds.

Utterly disgraceful.

Aloysia Allheart

20th January 2020 at 12:27 pm

BTW, who the hell listens to Lilly Allen’s tuneless boring singing?

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:37 pm

The Fear and Not Fair were good.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 3:02 pm

What about her stupid early single glorifying her domestic violence perpetration, and by proxy at that? What a nasty piece of airhead work is Lilly Allen.

Aloysia Allheart

20th January 2020 at 12:14 pm

The wokeites have their creepy tentacles in everything, including of course, the arts. Their cognitive dissonance knows no bounds. Vilifying an actor for daring to speak an opinion (that they don’t like) in public, how grubby is that? The funny thing is however, that we know who the real right wing tryhards are, who the real racists are. I saw a reverse racist going on about, ”white male privilege.” At the end of the day, the wokeites are just handmaidens of the neo liberals. Just pathetic.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 2:47 pm

“Vilifying an actor for daring to speak an opinion (that they don’t like) in public, how grubby is that”

It happens all the time to actors who air their views on public. They get told to keep quiet and stick to acting. And often, ironically, the anti woke crowd are the ones pushing this line the loudest.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 4:35 pm

Do you vilify and seek to silence woke actors such as De Niro, who has incited and threatened violence against Trump and his supporters on numerous public occasions, like you vilify Fox on this forum? Is it the speaking up in general you want to stop, or just those with opinions the woke can never respect?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:53 pm

Nick, I’ve no problem with any actors speaking up.
I’ll criticise them when I disagree, but they are still free to say what they wish.

My problem is with the hypocrites who would silence De Niro et al in a heartbeat but drool over Fox like he’s the 2nd coming.

Maffi Oxford

20th January 2020 at 9:53 pm

De Nero has openly said he would physically attak the POTUS. Fox has passed an opinion on the PC world we live in. There is a vast difference between the two!

brent mckeon

21st January 2020 at 6:16 am

De Nero has threatened/urged violence often, is this acceptable? If so hold on tight as when the gates open to all you will have a violent free for all in your country.

Jim Lawrie

20th January 2020 at 11:07 am

How long before a list of households with no BBC TV licence is made public as the homes of racists?

a watson

20th January 2020 at 4:52 pm

Around here you just have to be white, working class, male and local to be called a racist.

a watson

21st January 2020 at 9:58 am

Or sexist.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

24th January 2020 at 10:23 pm

Do you live in Essex?

Michael Lynch

20th January 2020 at 10:25 am

I saw this spat on QT and it seemed ever so convenient that there was someone in the audience to deliver the racism charge to Lawrence. It was a contrived situation and one designed, I’ll wager, to shield Shami Chakrabarti who loves to play the victim. How anyone can claim that a country that made her a Baroness is rotten to the core with racism and misogyny is beyond me. The flaw in their plan was that the audience, there and at home, saw right through this shallow attempt to discredit the common sense comments from Lawrence. This form of attack may have worked whilst the woke had political champions in the HOC, but diversity dribble no longer has any political purchase. In fact, no one is listening anymore and no one cares. We know Labour is finished for at least two terms but if the BBC continues down this path of acting as champions of identity politics then it too is finished.

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:38 pm

The problem in this country is that racism is discussed through the prism of angry playground spats over whether something is or isn’t racist.

And it’s conducted with celebrities like Laurence Fox, Piers Morgan and liberal leftist race activists for the purpose of making good TV.

But it never addresses racism at all.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 3:05 pm

That’s because the Left is so completely self-unaware they cannot see that they are the racists and sexists, not ordinary people.
This is going to boomerang back on the Left spectacularly. It’s not just Liebore that is dead.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:53 pm

Steve Moron is wrong about many things, but the funniest of all is when he convinces himself he speaks in any way for ordinary people.
Truly dire.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 9:46 pm

Jon Henpecked as ever gets the prize of 100% perfect ‘projection’ of own faults, daft position, and cognitive dissonance terror on to others, in this message of his beamed in from Planet Left Apology.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 11:59 pm

Come on Evie Moron, think for yourself for 5 minutes.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:36 am

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:13 am

C/P. And repeat.

SNJ Morgan

20th January 2020 at 10:23 am

It seems the only thing the New Left has to offer is censorship, abuse and cancelation.

Calling people names like ‘racist’ and ‘far right’, aka ad hominem attacks, has the great advantage that you don’t have to think about the argument at all, and there’s no need for a debate.

I keep thinking the Left simply cannot get any worse than it already is, that it must have reached rock bottom. Especially here in Australia.

But I am soon disillusioned.

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:39 pm

You mean calling people “racist” and “far right” who are not racist or far right.

K Tojo

20th January 2020 at 10:20 am

On that same edition of QT Baroness Chakrabarti began to talk about “how Labour now needs to listen to the people” following the historic election defeat. She was confronted by an audience member who accused the Labour leadership of arrogance in failing to face up to the reasons for the defeat. An argument followed. Chakrabarti was clearly upset at being called arrogant but showed little sign of wanting to listen to the man who made the accusation. Instead, she tried to do what politicians always do on QT – defend the party’s record (doggedly and tediously).

K Tojo

20th January 2020 at 10:10 am

Paraphrasing the famous McCarthyite question O’Neill says: Perhaps everyone who wants to work in the cultural sphere should first be asked: ‘Do you now, or have you ever, held anti-woke opinions?’

I think this recruiting method, albeit with a more subtle interrogation technique, may already be in force.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:21 pm

“The outburst of woke McCarthyism in response to Fox’s refreshing deviation from PC blather is a worrying sign of the times. It confirms how shrunken the parameters of acceptable thought have become, and how unforgiving the cultural establishment is of divergent or independent thinking”

Remember, this is what Brendan has to say in response to one deleted tweet from a union.
It’s not his critics who are shrinking the parameters of acceptable thought, it’s you Brendan.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 3:50 pm

Ah the Leftard total absence of perspective.
Jon Hen, the hilarious apologist for the Left, in all his terror at his own cognitive dissonance over the rapid fading of his out-dated, foundationally false, malicious ideology.
The standing joke of the comments section here.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 5:08 pm

your love of our cultural elites may only be trumped by your hate for O’Neill

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:50 pm

Steve Moron is back with the same copy paste irrelevant BS. Meanwhile the rest of the world continues to change in a manner he cannot stand.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:51 pm

Nick, I neither love the former nor hate the latter.

I will call out stupid arguments when I see them though.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 9:45 pm

Jon Henpecked as ever gets the prize of 100% perfect ‘projection’ of own faults, daft position, and cognitive dissonance terror on to others, in this message of his beamed in from Planet Left Apology.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 11:58 pm

Steve Moron returns to spew more copy paste BS.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:36 am

Stop talking about yerself, little Johnny Henpecked one!
Persistently exhibiting your extreme ‘projection’ on to others shows unbelievable self-unawareness and absence of intelligence.

Ven Oods

21st January 2020 at 8:55 am

I do often wonder, though, Jonnie, why people and organisations delete things they’ve tweeted. If you believe it, it should stay. If you didn’t believe it, why tweet it?

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:12 am

That Ven, is something I agree with completely. People should stand by what they think and say.

Linda Payne

20th January 2020 at 10:08 am

In a way Laurence Fox is lucky in that due to his profile he is able to use the media to say what he thinks and good for him. I worry about the ordinary Joe’s and Joanne’s who don’t have this and are subject to the same vicousness if they say the ‘wrong’ thing possibly losing their jobs with no right to reply

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 4:29 pm

And not being able to get a job in the first place unless they dance the hokey wokey jive.

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 10:03 am

Nobody talks about the fact that young black males live a life of poverty and socio economic inequality condemned to a life of dodging knife attacks from their peers ignored by the so called “liberals” who claim to care about minorities whilst they are wringing their hands over whether a rich privileged Duchess is a victim of racism because the media scolded her for flying private jet.

Michael Lynch

20th January 2020 at 10:08 am

Now that, Danny, is a comment I can get behind.

Danny Rees

20th January 2020 at 2:33 pm

Good.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 9:42 pm

Er, people regularly talk about it, and talk all the time about measures to help young black males.
Only recently and only in some quarters has this been the case re the group in most need of help of all (including vis-a-vis blacks): young white males.

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