‘Wokeness is elitism masquerading as compassion’

Laurence Fox joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss wokeness, white privilege and Question Time.

The day after his explosive performance on Question Time, actor Laurence Fox sat down with spiked’s editor for the latest episode of The Brendan O’Neill Show. They discuss the woke world of Hollywood, the myth of white privilege, and the wisdom of ordinary people.

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Comments

Fintan Slothe

2nd February 2020 at 3:30 pm

Laurence Fox says the BBC would never hire him. Furthermore, following a complaint to the BBC, the BBC says it’s OK for a “comedian” from an ethnic minority (the woke Nish Kumar on Radio 4’s News Quiz) to describe Laurence Fox’s face as being shovel-ready. Not only did the BBC Complaints department rule this OK, but the News Quiz team discussed it beforehand and gave it the green light. https://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2020/02/bbc-complaints-on-nish-kumars-shovel.html

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

25th January 2020 at 8:52 am

Brendan O’Neill is the right-wing Titania McGrath, a chimerical pseudo-Marxist automaton whose sole raison d’être is goading ‘liberals’ (whatever they are) with increasingly absurd contrarian statements. He contributes nothing to the national debate.

David Cockayne

26th January 2020 at 11:32 am

I am slightly puzzled. How can anyone be both right-wing and a pseudo-Marxist? I’m also happy to suggest a definition of liberal: one who believes in the maximisation of indivudual freedom, both economically and socially – which it strikes me, is, arguably, what Brendam is.

David Cockayne

26th January 2020 at 11:32 am

Brendan.

I-330 One State

30th January 2020 at 10:51 am

ZENOBIA PALMYRA I read Spiked a lot but don’t comment much. Whenever I read the comments you are here but your comments are always negative. Why do you spend so much time here if you hate it?

Strange fetish.

Simon James

1st February 2020 at 4:03 pm

Another description would be a sad man whose life hasn’t turned out how he wanted it to so he blames everyone else. It must be so annoying having women, black people and the dispossessed telling you that they want the same rights as you.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

21st January 2020 at 4:56 pm

Nobody in the real world actually uses the term ‘woke’. It appears to be a fictive creation of right-wing polemicists and their hangers-on. I’ve only ever heard it out of the mouths of O’Neill and other professional agents provocateurs…

Thomas Smith

21st January 2020 at 11:21 pm

ZP, O’Neill is not a provocateur. He can sound like a real asshole, granted, especially on issues of nationalism, right-populism, and Zionism As for woke being just his imagination…oh, please. This tired old playbook where the neo-liberal Left does outrageous shit and then pretends to know nothing about it, was tried in the 80s with the term “political correctness.” Only the Right used that term. It’s a load of nonsense. Man up to your faults. “Woke” is a definite attitude to be found among snot-nose young neo-liberal pseudo-Left nitwits. “As long as I express my compassion for people of color, women, LGBTQ, etc., then I can do no wrong….so can I get away with an enormous load of unscrupulous BULLSHIT. Makes me sick, this hypocrisy.

jan mozelewski

22nd January 2020 at 1:46 pm

Totally agree.

Jane Lester

22nd January 2020 at 7:43 pm

So right

Mark Patterson

23rd January 2020 at 1:58 pm

I see people describing themselves as woke on twitter at least. It probably sounded so pretentious that their opponents have had a field day with it

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

21st January 2020 at 4:51 pm

The only thing worse than a ‘woke’ liberal is an anti-woke keyboard warrior who claims to uphold commonsense and traditional values while despising the very Christianity which created those values in the first place. You threw the Gospel out because you thought you knew better; it’s no wonder you are so confused!

jan mozelewski

22nd January 2020 at 6:00 pm

I take issue with that Zen. I have never needed religion…and the attendant threats of fire, brimstone and being in an everlasting Naughty Corner….to behave in a reasonable and fair way to those who cross my path and to be honest with my family.
On the other hand, the gospel wasn’t even gospel when it was put in the Bible. Christians may like to imply it is the Word of God, but the editors were undoubtedly men. (White privileged ones at that.)

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd January 2020 at 6:47 pm

Sorry Jan, I feel to see how the fact that God used men to write the Gospels makes them any less plausible an embodiment of the divine will. Christianity is the answer to this country’s problems and it is about time this anti-Christian generation woke up and realise that.

Jerry Owen

22nd January 2020 at 6:39 pm

ZP
Oh.. I thought you said woke doesn’t exist in an earlier post but you use the phrase anti woke to insult the right… Make up your mind dear!

Thomas Smith

21st January 2020 at 3:43 pm

Great discussion here. But it’s unfortunate that the director of Little Women has turned you off from seeing the film. I saw it yesterday, and it’s very nice. Louisa May would have enjoyed it.

Katy Pilkington

21st January 2020 at 11:59 am

Great interview, but it does make me sad that “feminism” is now a bad thing. Probably because it’s been hijacked by those who actually don’t want equality but those who want more rights than men have.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

21st January 2020 at 4:58 pm

Well said. Absolute economic and social equality is in any case a nebulous and impossible thing.

jan mozelewski

22nd January 2020 at 6:02 pm

Now that is a sentiment I can totally agree with. Not that that should matter as its your opinion….but just saying.

Mark Patterson

23rd January 2020 at 2:01 pm

Any identity based activism is going to attract the more extreme and energetic elements and go over board. That is just human nature. Feminism is especially prone to this effect. It was never a good idea because of that.

Jeremy Cogdon

20th January 2020 at 6:32 pm

Brilliant interview.

James Knight

20th January 2020 at 5:47 pm

Didacticism is the kiss of death for art

Steve Roberts

20th January 2020 at 5:27 pm

Full credit to Laurence, he stood his ground and in most respects he did what most of us ought to start to do when faced with these irrational reactionary types, ridicule them and their ideas, with rational ideas.
It is true we all have to sharpen our ideas to convince others of our views, to listen and critique others and ourselves, but we also have to be judgemental and if necessary be dismissive of those that are frankly political enemies that are doing huge damage to this nation and its citizens.
It seemed to me this is what Laurence achieved, his opponents in that situation were not for changing their views, they are lost to political persuasion, i understand the woman “outing” his “white privilege” is a university lecturer, one no doubt indoctrinating a generation with her regressive nonsense.
So all the best Laurence, a good judgement made, a confident riposte, isolating and ridiculing these people and you were supported in not just the audience but the wider public. As was very noticeable in most of the QT debates around brexit, the elites and their regressive ideas are now not accepted just with a quiet inner dismay, people are saying we have had enough, and given leadership, whether it is an ordinary man and woman from any part of the country over Brexit on QT or the accomplished Laurence, people are maybe ready to fight back to say no enough is enough, to shout it in public and let the elite know we are still here,we have not been persuaded by their ideas, they do not resonate with most people, are not related to reality , common sense or generationally accepted norms and practices. They are alien to us.
But here then is the really big question, yes individuals need to stand up to the plate more , to stop self censoring etc but as Laurence pointed out it is easier for him, being self employed less reliant on his employers etc _ i am not in favour of us all been “jobsworths” – but the harsh reality is that people especially in work situations have lots of considerations to make .
What is really needed is distinct organised political expression to oppose all this IP regressionary socialisation, this is the real problem, all the present political parties are all deeply steeped in all this stuff, all of them, they have enforced it in all manner of situations including the law, they have encouraged and allowed the educational system to nurture and disseminate the intellectual basis of IP etc. We cannot expect them to now turn around and unravel decades of this imposition, they believe in it, they understand its divisive use to them.
So next time we think about this horrendous situation, lets not forget that we are not just discussing the more extreme wilder activist based nut jobs, no, we should be discussing the entire elite project, all the political parties that continue to support and impose this nonsense, they are the ones that give it force, that sustain it, that allows our kids to be indoctrinated in education, it is there that the serious problem lies and to which we should address ourselves just as we did with brexit and this is probably more important than the question of the EU.
The enemy is still at home ensconced in the HOC and a large portion of them with serious political power to change it all, will they ? and if they don’t who will ?

Edward Bell

20th January 2020 at 3:45 pm

Not that bloody awful hat again!

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 3:08 pm

Wokeism / PC / identity politics is now shown to be nonsense at root. Forthcoming new science review paper: ‘The falsity of identity politics (PC): negative attitude is specifically to males and for any difference, in policing male sexual access by gate-keeping group membership’. New Male Studies 8(2). ‘Pre-prints’ on-line at Researchgate, Academia.edu.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:23 am

No thanks Moron, keep ranting into the void.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:42 am

Perhaps little Johnny Henpecked by his own cognitive dissonance over adhering to his failed ideology … perhaps he might try to actually read up on the topic? Or even to write something coherent?
No chance.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:56 am

What is my ideology Steve?

You mention it every time but you’ve never defined it once. Perhaps now is the time for you to finally do something other than copy and paste?

Tell me what this ideology I supposedly follow actually is.

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 7:41 am

Little Jonnie.
You don’t have an ideology that is why you are unable to discuss any of the articles here in any meaningfully way.
You are basically a weedy little sniper.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:11 am

Well Jerry I guess you and Steve need to have a little chat then. Because one of you is convinced I’m as ideological as you can get, the other claims I’ve no ideology at all.

What’s your ideology Jerry? Because you never express any coherent thought when you reply to me, you just act like a playground troll.
Are you empty in this regard?

Jerry Owen

22nd January 2020 at 1:31 pm

Little Jonnie
Actually the onus is on you to show you have an ideology.. or even some sort of personality would be a good start.
I view you as a weedy pedantic trolling sniper that is incapable of discussing the issues Spiked authors contribute.
But when you leave school ( I bet you skin pinched other boys then ran away ) and enter grownups territory you may gain a personality. But i have my doubts.

michael harris

20th January 2020 at 3:01 pm

White and privileged! How about brown and privileged? Chakrabati (aka Chakraboti etc) is a Bengali surname (a status indicating name) meaning – roughly – ruler of the state. The wide Chakrabti clan are mostly Brahmins with a few Kshaitras (descendents of actual rulers). Real toffs in India. Same as Nehru and his descendents all the way up to the boy prince, the foolish Rahul Gandhi, who admires Corbyn from afar and has sometimes deigned, with attendant publicity, to overnight in the homes of the tribals and of the outcastes.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 3:14 pm

Yes, the brown gravy train; like the menstrual gravy train.
As Thomas Sowell outlined.

michael harris

20th January 2020 at 3:36 pm

My point, Steve, is not to sneer at India but to say that all countries have their hierarchies of power and reputation and saying that this is simply a ‘white’ disease is very ignorant. The danger of ‘wokeness ‘ is this.: if it is blind to power hierarchies in what it calls ‘victim’ classes, it cannot see them in its own ranks. If, god forbid, it ever comes to any form of power it will repeat all the evils it has denounced, though with different parameters and reinforced by its pharisaic sense of its own virtue.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 4:31 pm

Yes indeed.

Neil McRobert

21st January 2020 at 12:23 pm

Mochi’s rule ok

michael harris

21st January 2020 at 2:30 pm

I think. Neil, that you mean Modi. He gets a bad press in Europe/USA liberal circles. But his rise to power is best seen as the latest stage in decolonisation. He shares few opinions with the Nehru/ Indira Gandhi clan that still runs the Congress party. He is , I think , only the second Indian PM not to be a Brahmin. He comes from low down the Indian ladder – his father owned a tea stall on a railway station. He is not steeped in Western ‘values’.

Neil McCaughan

20th January 2020 at 2:38 pm

Judging by the number of his incoherent rants on this page, Mr Fox has rattled poor dim Johnnie Cluck rather badly.

I’d conclude that he must be doing something right.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 2:43 pm

Neil, you regard every comment that doesn’t neatly align with your views as being a “rant”. I think you need to wise up and become a little less sensitive to criticism. People are allowed to disagree with you, okay?

jan mozelewski

20th January 2020 at 3:14 pm

He has made one comment expressing his views on this thread. At the last count you had made twelve. It appears that it is you that has the difficulty accepting that other people have different views, and not him.

Neil McCaughan

20th January 2020 at 3:34 pm

But I’m not disagreeing with you.

Merely pointing out how badly you are coping.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:48 pm

Your comment would be correct Jan if Neil did not comment virtually every time I posted a comment, on any thread.
And he always says the same childish nonsense in it too.

If you disagree with someone then respond to them properly. If you’re going to troll, it merely indicates you’ve already lost the argument and just can’t accept it.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 10:06 pm

And yet again, 100% perfect ‘projection’ on to another by Jon Henpecked of his own behaviour.
Jon, Henpecked by his own cognitive disonnance over remaining faithful to a failed ideology.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:22 am

Steve Moron copy pastes again.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:43 am

And yet again, 100% perfect ‘projection’ on to another by Jon Henpecked of his own behaviour.
Jon, Henpecked by his own cognitive disonnance over remaining faithful to a failed ideology.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 2:10 pm

What a spot-on title! Reminds me of George Carlin’s ‘political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners’. Like that memorable phrase, this is one to be reused constantly, thanks

dinose8811 dinose8811

20th January 2020 at 1:52 pm

It’s important to read content from people you disagree with. It keeps yourself open minded and well informed.

In fact it’s more important to read content from people you disagree with than anyone else.

I suggest you try it.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 2:13 pm

As usual, Stefan Molyneux provides an inconvenient truth on this matter: “Every group needs criticism. Those immune from criticism don’t progress”

dinose8811 dinose8811

20th January 2020 at 1:52 pm

I could’ve sworn a few weeks ago Spiked were praising Ricky Gervais when he told actors to keep quiet about politics.

dinose8811 dinose8811

20th January 2020 at 1:52 pm

sad

dinose8811 dinose8811

20th January 2020 at 1:51 pm

welldone

Ho Leephuc

20th January 2020 at 1:17 pm

Welcome to the British White Working Class, Laurence. Always a pleasure.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:46 pm

A Harrow educated actor speaking on the BBC is now a member of the working class?
I’ve heard it all now.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd January 2020 at 6:48 pm

Well said, Jonnie. Fox is highly privileged and doesn’t speak for anyone except himself.

Michael Lynch

20th January 2020 at 10:55 am

Go Lawrence! A brilliant show of courage. There are far too many people who go quietly in response to these nonsense attacks simply because they are frightened for their careers. It was a refreshing defense of the truth and common sense. Everything is on turn now against the dogmatic morons who have ruled the roost for far too long.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 2:22 pm

A few more heroic interventions like Lawrence’s should make it clear how resisting wokeness is what makes you a real rebel against the system.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:46 pm

Such a rebel. The privately educated actor speaking on the BBC’s flagship political show, who becomes a minor celebrity for essentially acting as the blond Piers Morgan.

Who is then praised by vast sections of the mainstream media.

The only system he’s rebelling against is the straw man one inside your head.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 11:35 pm

The definition of totally out of touch: Jon Henpecked by his own cognitive dissonance over adhering to a failed ideology.
Jon insists on somehow not noticing that its’ being male and ‘white’ that is what gets you genuinely oppressed by the ‘identity politics’ / ‘PC’ / hokey wokey hegemonic totalitarianism — the idiocy that is now all-pervasive and in-depth, in every nook and cranny of every institution.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:22 am

Steve, put aside your ranting for a minute. Almost every major institution is dominated by white males at the top. White males do better in society than everyone else.

If your a white male and you’ve failed in life, maybe you should take a look at yourself first before you blame others.

Is this why you’re so angry Steve?

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:49 am

And yet again, 100% perfect ‘projection’ on to another by Jon Henpecked of his own behaviour.
Jon, Henpecked by his own cognitive dissonance over remaining faithful to a failed ideology.
Just how self-unaware and rabidly stupid can anyone possibly get?
Poor little Jonny cannot even grasp that there being an apex of a few highly competitive males in now way conflicts with there being a mass of disadvantaged males at the bottom.
Little Jonny is stupidity incarnate.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 1:00 am

Steve, just because you’re a failure in your own life ie “disadvantaged male”, doesn’t make you the victim of any ideology.

Just your own incompetence.
The fact your average white male does succeed in life compared to those around them suggests the exact opposite of what you claim.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 8:47 am

And yet again, 100% perfect ‘projection’ on to another by Jon Henpecked of his own behaviour.
Jon, Henpecked by his own cognitive dissonance over remaining faithful to a failed ideology.
Just how self-unaware and rabidly stupid can anyone possibly get?
The troll cannot even grasp that being low status is disadvantaged.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:09 am

Of course being low status equals being disadvantaged. But that is not true of white males who are not low status at all.

Therefore if you do fall into that category you are the exception not the rule. Hence the fault probably lies with you.

This isn’t complicated Steve.

nick hunt

21st January 2020 at 12:52 pm

Jonnie Bigot, good luck with the claim that white males cannot be disadvantaged, which is both profoundly racist and really, obviously stupid. With defenders like you and the Jew-hating Jezziah. no wonder the left is collapsing in front of our eyes

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 4:56 pm

I never claimed white males cannot be disadvantaged. Do not make up lies just so you can smear me as racist.

With people like you on their side, it is no wonder the next generation is so disillusioned with right wing politics.

And you won’t win people over by ranting at them as you do.

Drew Peacock

20th January 2020 at 10:27 am

I don’t disagree with Laurence, I mean welcome Laurence we’ve been laughing at these nob ed’s for years.
It’s not that I disagree with Laurence, I just find him too cringe.

Jim Lawrie

20th January 2020 at 10:09 am

I watch very little TV because I so often find myself mouthing the actors’ lines in advance. Especially the female characters. Censorious ends up formulaic and predictable. I am not interested in screenplays I could write myself in 2 minutes. I want to hear script by someone talented, hardworking and uninhibited. Overcoming inhibition is one of the points of going to drama school.

White men are being blacklisted.

Well done Mr Fox for standing your ground and continuing to do so.

Cody Bailey

20th January 2020 at 1:04 pm

Consider the near endless list of masterful works of art produced by the free west in the last 100 years.
Compare that to the list of masterful works of art produced by the USSR in the same time period. We seem to be headed toward the same creative wasteland.

Alex Ander

20th January 2020 at 9:21 am

Thank goodness for Laurence Fox, Ricky Gervais etc etc

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:28 pm

Didn’t Ricky Gervais tell actors to keep quiet about politics because they knew nothing of the real world?

That should apply to Laurence Fox too then.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 3:55 pm

You must complain so bitterly about the 98% of woke actors who insult Trump every day. Got any links?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:44 pm

Nick, do you have a link for that 98% of woke actors claim?

Do you even know what “woke” means?
I doubt it.

Gerard Barry

20th January 2020 at 9:09 am

Apart from racist, bitter, resentful non-white people, the only folk who believe in “white privilege” are white people who themselves come from privileged backgrounds and assume – wrongly – that all other white people are privileged, too, and always have been. Their knowledge of social history is shockingly limited.

jan mozelewski

20th January 2020 at 3:04 pm

Indeed. My father plastered walls into his 70’s. My mother supplemented the family income by variously working on the line at Russell Hobbs assembling toasters, doing home-help for OAP’s, working on a bacon stall in the local market etc etc etc We didn’t have electricity upstairs (except on the landing) until I was 12, had a dry closet at the bottom of the garden until I was 8 and no central heating and no heating at all upstairs for the duration (I left home at 22).
I passed my 11+ and went to the local grammar where we were encouraged to see a career in the local bank/council offices or one of the less illustrious professions as the zenith of possibilities open to us.
Anyone from my generation will wonder what was so privileged about it.

Gerard Barry

21st January 2020 at 10:17 am

I wanted for nothing growing up, thank God, but my parents knew poverty and that is why this notion of “white privilege” is so fucking distasteful to me. And it galls me deeply when I have to listen to the well-educated privileged women in particular of today acting like they have it so hard. If their narcissism wasn’t so damn jarring and offensive, it would be almost funny.

TOM SYKES

20th January 2020 at 8:37 am

Born in Yorkshire and telling it like it is.
Makes me proud.

Alley Kat

20th January 2020 at 8:15 am

Lawrence Fox is more in tune with the silent majority than any politician or luvvie could ever dream of. Given his “privilege” he took a risk by voicing a different opinion from the new orthodoxy and we love him for it.

This country needs to reject American style identity politics which only causes victimhood, entitlement, division and hate and does absolutely nothing to resolve it.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 3:51 pm

I’d say identity politics is the foundation of leftism. Right from the beginning, Marx and Engels divided us all into bad guys (exploitative capitalists and/or Jews), ignorant guys (the oppressed proles) and the smart guys (Marxist intellectuals AKA self-annointed saviours). Compare to Trump: ‘when you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice’. Just one division: those who love their compatriots before judging them (good guys), and those who judge their compatriots before loving them (bad guys). Love trumps hate.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 12:47 am

When your acting career has failed despite your hugely privileged upbringing, ranting about wokeness is probably the only option left to you. We’ve all got to earn a living after all.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 4:02 pm

I thought actors usually compete to say outrageous things about Trump in order to look virtuous, get the media oxygen, and boost their caeers. Certainly, they are the ones so many ordinary people are really sick of, which is why Fox expressing such contrary opinions is so brave and refreshing. Buy contrast, your orthodox leftist bigotry is so predictable, bitter and old-hat.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:43 pm

That’s ironic, because I’m willing to bet if Fox’s acting career were better, he wouldn’t be trying to turn himself into the male Katie Hopkins.
What you and he don’t realise of course, is that his “opinions” are neither refreshing or brave. We’ve had plenty of z list celebrities trying to make a name for themselves this way before. Most ordinary people are sick of this. And of angry right wingers like you lapping it up.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 10:11 pm

Huh? Who’s an “angry right-winger”. It’s your infallible 100% ‘projection’ again, Jonny Henpecked one.
The anger here is being beamed in from Planet Left Apology.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:19 am

Steve, the angry right winger would be the moron who seethes with rage any time a left winger blinks. And who rushes on here with their copy paste paragraphs every time there’s a thread.

Don’t worry Steve, you also lack self awareness, so we don’t expect you to be capable of recognising this.

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 12:45 am

And yet again, 100% perfect ‘projection’ on to another by Jon Henpecked of his own behaviour.
Jon, Henpecked by his own cognitive disonance over remaining faithful to a failed ideology.
Just how self-unaware and rabidly stupid can anyone possibly get?

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:57 am

Wait, so when I call you a right winger…. I’m projecting?

Am I actually right wing according to you? Interesting…

steve moxon

21st January 2020 at 8:51 am

?! Just how big a dope is this troll?
You ‘project’ your own extreme status-seeking, so you view everyone else outside your mindless Leftard in-group as being the mirror-image of your dishonest claim to egalitarianism.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:07 am

Steve talking straw man BS again, like most angry right wingers do when they lose the argument. You’re the one who obsesses over status, you’re the one who always infers ordinary people are racist.

No-one else mentions this, just you. Why is that?

nick hunt

21st January 2020 at 1:22 pm

Hey Jonnie True Rebel, why not tell us that Brexit-supporting disabled pensioners are the deranged, angry, dangerous, right-wing haters, and not those brave leftist brownshirts who abuse, intimidate, spit at, and milk-shake them? Those hordes or herds of sneering old gammons marching to call Obama a black supremacist and fascist every time he visited tthe UK also come to mind. Beyond irony now: leftist motivation in hating and abusing those who dare disagree with them is fascinating. Take your posts as an example: they mostly function to abuse enemy posters, not to respect and win debates or influence. They certainly fail the elitist woke mission of enlightening and recruiting us poor dumb gammons. So the obvious question arises: are you here posting every day for money, malice or both? Lastly, have you realised that your endless bile strongly supports Fox’s claim that woke people practice fake compassion?

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 4:54 pm

Oh please, if want to pretend that only one side of the Brexit debate is guilty of intimidation and violence towards the other then you really are a closed minded drone. I see Owen Jones’ was validated in his claims about the ideologically motivated attack on him last year.

I recall the protest against Trump, and the fact that numerous Trump supporters were able to walk around freely and engage in debate with the attendees without any hatred involved.

Which is more than we can say for the Tommy Robinson crowd who turned up the next day. Dissenters at those rallies get met with violence and nothing else.

You will see far more abuse in posts replying to me than you will from my posts. Indeed there are several individuals who will do nothing but abuse and troll when I comment on here, no matter what I have said.
And of course, this only further lessens and chance of me being persuaded to their ideology.
I post here to highlight the flaws in the arguments made every day in the articles written. What is the purpose of yours and other’s abusive comments in response?

“Lastly, have you realised that your endless bile strongly supports Fox’s claim that woke people practice fake compassion?”

I don’t consider myself to be a woke person, so no. I do however realise that the endless bile directed towards me by numerus individuals on here suggests I am doing a good job of upsetting and broadening what would otherwise be an extremely narrow minded echo chamber.

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 9:53 pm

Little Jonnie your not strong enough to ‘ upset people’ your just an irritating little weed.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:09 pm

Oh dear Jerry, you and I both know that’s not true. Your constant replies to me, your obsession with what I have to say…. we both know I upset you and others very much.

There’s no point denying it!

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 12:46 am

Harrow educated, born into a well off family, z list actor despite hugely privileged background, only became famous at all for saying a few things on QT, divorced… the perfect anti “woke” poster boy!

Mark Williams

20th January 2020 at 2:44 am

You’re making Laurence’s point for him: You’re playing the man, not the ball. Which of his ideas do you disagree with?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:22 am

Playing the man not the ball perfectly describes the usual response from Spiked when an actor talks about politics.

Why the double standards here?

T Hauxwell

20th January 2020 at 7:46 am

So only A listers who went to a state comprehensive and are happily married are allowed to have an opinion? I think you need to lay off the Woke Kool Aid.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:22 am

Did you not listen to Ricky?

Actors know nothing about the real world, they shouldn’t be lecturing anyone.

TOM SYKES

20th January 2020 at 8:38 am

On that basis you are obviously an opponent of Prince Harry?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:19 am

Of course. Abolish the monarchy.

Jerry Owen

20th January 2020 at 8:42 am

Poor little Jonnie is wrong again .. Fox became famous for his role as ‘Hathaway’ in ‘Lewis’.. best do your homework before you write, eh ?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:21 am

Hahaha, he’s such an a lister isn’t he Jerry? Oh dear, you’ve made a fool of yourself again.

Willing to bet you’d never heard of him before Thursday.

Jerry Owen

20th January 2020 at 12:56 pm

Little Jonnie
I have watched every episode of ‘Lewis’ which is at least a decade old.
Don’t make assumptions about others it just makes you look more pathetic than you are.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:27 pm

Jerry, save your lectures. I’ve heard them all before. They were stupid then and they’re stupid now. You have proven, time and time again, to be unable to produce any worthwhile argument, or even a vaguely interesting comment, on this site. All you do is project and troll. I don’t need to assume anything about you, you’ve revealed yourself for all to see.

Dominic Straiton

20th January 2020 at 9:08 am

If youd spent an hour listening to the podcast rather than five minutes googling Laurence Fox you might not have made such a fool of yourself.

Jim Lawrie

20th January 2020 at 9:20 am

That is fair comment Mr Straiton if dealing with someone who wants to discuss matters. But for wee Jonnie Boy the ad hominem is the debate, and end of too. A glaring admission that he cannot deal with the subject. He enters the discussion about white privilege with a rant about white privilege.

The privately educated, middle class, Aidan O’Neill QC was allowed to do the same in court in an ad hominem against Boris Johnson.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 9:23 am

If the podcast is as predictable as his Twitter feed then I won’t bother.

Your comments are eminently predictable too, for what it’s worth.

Jerry Owen

20th January 2020 at 1:19 pm

Little Jonnie
You come hear with your weedy snipey comments and you haven’t even listened to the podcast .. astonishing !

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:25 pm

Laurence Fox has nothing new to say.
I listened to 10 minutes of the podcast and he said exactly as expected.

His opinions are so predictable a computer could’ve written them.

And quiet frankly, what he thinks is less important than the issue of hypocrisy amongst his supporters.

Charles Buonaventura

20th January 2020 at 9:25 am

Your long-term obsession with BON’s content is interesting. Did your wife run off with him or something?

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 1:22 pm

It’s important to read content from people you disagree with. It keeps yourself open minded and well informed.

In fact it’s more important to read content from people you disagree with than anyone else.

I suggest you try it.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 4:36 pm

It’s important to go for the argument not the man.
Pretending to go for the argument when actually it’s the man you’re after, and for some arcane reason of Leftard internecine squabble of no interest to others ….. well that seems to be you, Mr Jon Hen-pecked one.

Jerry Owen

20th January 2020 at 5:33 pm

Little Jonnie
I listened to the whole podcast and heard absolutely nothing that could be described as ‘controversial’ from Lawrence Fox. So just what is it about him that has kept you so busy on mummy’s computer with your weedy comments?
Do tell.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:37 pm

Steve, it’s important to actually have an argument, and not just copy/paste the same unfounded BS over and over.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:39 pm

Jerry, are you not capable of reading?

I don’t like the hypocrisy of you and others who support him. Nor do I find him to be especially controversial or radical, so why is he being spoken about in such hushed tones as though he were a major figure campaigning on a vital issue?

Run along back to your store now.

steve moxon

20th January 2020 at 10:08 pm

It’s important to go for the argument not the man.
Pretending to go for the argument when actually it’s the man you’re after, and for some arcane reason of Leftard internecine squabble of no interest to others ….. well that seems to be you, Mr Jon Hen-pecked one

Jerry Owen

20th January 2020 at 10:21 pm

Little Jonnie
I’ll ask you again what has Lawrence Fox actually said to annoy you so much that you have spent nearly all day on your mum’s computer typing your weedy posts?
Come on little boy respond to the podcast …if you can ?

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:17 am

Jerry, I’ve already told you why I commented.
I’ll ask you again, can you not read?

Or is working at the store boring you to tears?

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 7:45 am

Little Jonnie
I’ll ask you for a third time, what has Lawrence Fox said that has wound you up so much that you are getting in such a little hissy fit about?
Some specifics please ?

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:05 am

Jerry, again I’ve already told you why I commented.

Most of my comments on here have been in response to the likes of you getting into a hissy fit over what I said.
So what did I say that wound you up so much?

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 11:53 am

Aww.. look little weedy Jonnie pretends he is capable of debate yet I have asked him three times to tell me specifically what it is that Lawrence Fox has said that has kept him busy here for so long with his tantrums despite the fact that he only listened to ten minutes of the podcast.
C’mon little Jonnie.. answer, we all want to know your views, if you have any?

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 4:44 pm

Jerry, “debate” involves more than asking the same question over and over when it’s already been answered.

I’ll answer it again in case you still don’t get it: I commented because I don’t like the hypocrisy of you and others who rush to applaud Laurence Fox’s words, when had he expressed viewpoints you didn’t agree with you’d be telling him to not speak at all.

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 9:55 pm

Aww poor little Jonnie can’t answer.. !

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:07 pm

Jerry still cannot read. No wonder he stacks shelves.

Jerry Owen

22nd January 2020 at 1:23 pm

Little Jonnie
First it was that I ran a greengrocers shop, then I worked in a store, now I am a shelf stacker ! Wow little Jonnie, hasn’t Dementia’s set in good on you !!

The Killgrave

23rd January 2020 at 4:32 am

“It’s important to read content from people you disagree with. It keeps yourself open minded and well informed.

In fact it’s more important to read content from people you disagree with than anyone else.

I suggest you try it.”

Yet you only listen to ten minutes of the podcast? :/

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 12:44 am

I could’ve sworn a few weeks ago Spiked were praising Ricky Gervais when he told actors to keep quiet about politics.
I guess their real problem was merely that actors held political views they didn’t approve of. Hold the “correct” views and Spiked are only too happy for you to talk away.

Jim Lawrie

20th January 2020 at 9:30 am

Question time is a politics programme. Mr Fox was asked directly about the subject in open forum. He did not give forth in a safe space ostensibly set up for other purposes. Many actors do expect to be heard but not to be challenged.
He was told that because he is white, and a man, he has no right to reply, only to listen. No right to defend himself, just to stand there and take it.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 12:16 am

Yes, normally actors entering into any sort of political forum are told, basically, to get lost. No matter their argument and no matter the content involved.

Jerry Owen

21st January 2020 at 7:47 am

Jim Lawrie
Nail on the head that one!

Jim Lawrie

21st January 2020 at 9:57 am

Thanks Jerry. Ah wish ah could nail doon wee slippery Jonnie the Jellyfish.

I have no idea why my post was in moderation for 24 hours.

Jim Lawrie

21st January 2020 at 10:18 am

Jonnie he was not attacked on the basis of his profession, but on the basis of his sex and race.
His opponents took his profession as indicative of a lightweight. He is a tall, slim fellow. But so was Tommy Hearns.

The audience knew in advance the makeup of the panel and by attending consented to that. The panel, including the host, was 4 women and two men. In terms of politics, it was 4 leftists and 2 Conservatives.

The response to everything he said was not in the form of content, but in the form of identity. He kept his cool and maintained aim under fire. His refusal to wilt and standing his ground took them by surprise – not used to it. The woman wailing white privilege assumed this to be her trump card, and did not expect any comeback. Certainly not on ace on race.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 11:04 am

That’s the point Jim.
Other actors have been attacked on the basis of their profession when they engage in any form with political debate.

It’s hypocritical for people who do this to then give Laurence Fox a pass purely because they agree with what was said.

Either you think actors should keep quiet about politics and stick to acting or you don’t. There’s no in between, no picking and choosing based on who you agree with and who you don’t.

dinose8811 dinose8811

20th January 2020 at 1:56 pm

sad

Bella Donna

20th January 2020 at 2:48 pm

Gervais was criticising those who attend the awards ceremony to use it to make anti government political statements. Its hardly the same is it thing? It was refreshing to have someone other than leftwing nut jobs on QT!

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:35 pm

Did Gervais say anything about anti government statements?

I recall his words were more along the lines of “you know nothing about the real world, so don’t talk politics”.

nick hunt

20th January 2020 at 4:11 pm

Maybe you accept that most actors hold fashionably woke opinions. So do you try to silence them as you do Fox, whose opinions are such a refreshing contrast? Links please, or you risk being labelled a Stalinist or red fascist who hates all diversity of opinion.

Jonnie Henly

20th January 2020 at 8:36 pm

Have I tried to silence Fox?

When? How?

nick hunt

21st January 2020 at 1:26 pm

How literal-minded you can be when necessary! Obviously I meant ‘silence’ in the sense of neutralising someone oppposed to your own beliefs through mockery, disdain, ridicule: the leftist’s usual character assassination or debating startegy, in other words. BTW, I’ve rarely seen such an extreme case of denial as yours.

Jonnie Henly

21st January 2020 at 4:43 pm

So when you meant “silence”, you didn’t mean that at all. It was just the most potent word you could find to fit your caricature of me attempting to shut down free discussion. When I have done no such thing.

If you are really opposed to mockery and ridicule then I suggest you take a look in the mirror because your comments are full of them.

Or perhaps you should wise up and accept that ridicule is a pretty big aspect of discussion and debate, and not one you can cry foul at.

And yes, most actors who speak out on politics, whatever their political views, are subject to extreme ridicule, like what we saw from Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes.

Your lack of self awareness is pretty stunning.

The Killgrave

23rd January 2020 at 4:36 am

Slightly disingenuous. QT is a public forum designed for political debate where as the Hollywood award show is exactly that, an award show where political activism isn’t conducive for creative political discussion.

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