The disinfectant of democracy

Public opinion is forcing Labour and the Lib Dems to temper their anti-democratic elitism.

Brendan O'Neill

Brendan O'Neill

Topics Brexit Politics UK

Democracy is such a powerful force, such a force for reason and good sense, that it is already radically shaking up public life in the UK even before any of us has actually voted. Election day might still be two weeks away, but the very process of democratic engagement, of canvassing and discussion, has already improved political life. Primarily through taming the more vulgar elitist instincts of the supposedly progressive parties, Labour and the Lib Dems.

That has been the most striking gain of the past couple of weeks of electioneering – the anti-Brexit, anti-democratic elitism of the ‘left’ parties has fallen apart, or at least experienced a severe crisis, under the glare of democratic opinion and the judgement of the people.

Witness how both Labour and the Lib Dems have announced fairly radical changes in their electoral strategies over the past 48 hours. The Lib Dems went into this election on an explicitly anti-democratic ticket. Under the banner of ‘Stop Brexit’, and sometimes ‘Bollocks to Brexit’, their big idea was to revoke Brexit entirely – that is, to cancel the largest democratic vote in British history. They were cock of the walk. This is a brilliant, radical platform to stand on, they assured themselves. The more Brexitphobic wing of the liberal media cheered them on.

But now the Lib Dems are backtracking. They’re ditching the revoke position in favour of arguing for a second referendum. Why? Because they have discovered that most ordinary people find the idea of trashing a democratic vote repugnant, immoral and illiberal.

It has been a joy, to those of us who believe in democracy, to watch the Lib Dem campaign fall apart. Jo Swinson was greeted by stony silence on the recent ‘Leaders Special’ of Question Time. She was challenged by Remain-voting members of the audience who said it was disgraceful simply to revoke the referendum result. On doorsteps, too, Lib Dem canvassers have encountered people who think revoking a democratic vote is a wicked thing to do, and would set a potentially tyrannical precedent. Polls have found that the more voters see of Swinson, the less they like her. Sure, that could be because she is quite irritating, but it will also be because her message – ‘Cancel the largest vote ever’ – strikes so many people as intolerable. The Lib Dems have suffered in the polls.

What we have here is an anti-democratic wing of the political establishment being brought down a peg or two by public opinion. The Lib Dems’ anti-Brexit elitism could not survive contact with the people. In their echo chambers and at their dinner parties, the Lib Dems’ idea of unilaterally revoking a mass democratic act probably sounded like a great idea. But upon exposure to the more engaged and reasoned force of public opinion, to the wisdom of the crowd, it stood exposed as a foul and backward opinion. The disinfectant of democratic opinion revealed the rot at the heart of the Lib Dem campaign.

A similar thing has happened to Labour. In response to polls suggesting the Tories could win an overall majority, Labour is changing tack. It is going to devote more time to winning over its Leave voters, many of whom have indicated that they won’t vote for Labour this time because of its betrayal of Brexit and its promise of a second referendum.

The party will push its more Leave-sympathising spokespeople to the forefront of its campaigning. It will send people to the Midlands and the north to engage with Leave-voting constituencies. And it will try to convince voters, in the words of the BBC, that a Labour government’s second referendum would ‘not be an attempt to remain in the EU by the backdoor’.

Labour, like the Lib Dems, has discovered that the demos does not take kindly to anti-democratic policies. Labour has discovered, far too late in the day, of course, that its despicable abandonment of its working-class Leave constituencies in favour of cosying up to the woke bourgeoise of graduate activist circles and the Remainer middle classes in the south of England is likely to cost it dearly. Its cynical reneging on its own 2017 promise to uphold the referendum result, its reneging on democracy itself, has crashed against the pro-democratic sentiments of ordinary people, and Labour is desperately trying to firefight this mess of its own clueless, aloof making.

Of course, Labour is still lying to working-class constituencies. It is lying when it says its second referendum won’t be ‘Remain by the backdoor’. That is exactly what it will be. Jeremy Corbyn and others have made it crystal clear that their second referendum would be a choice between a deal involving a Customs Union and ties to the Single Market or Remain. That is, it would be a choice between Remain or Remain.

Worse than lying to their erstwhile working-class voters, Labour is demeaning them too. Its new strategy is to make the working classes realise that there are more important issues than Brexit and sovereignty. As Owen Jones says, Labour should win over Brexit voters by talking to them about ‘investment in creaking public services’. This amounts to saying ‘We won’t respect your democratic votes, but we will throw money at your communities’. It is a deeply paternalistic strategy, denuding working-class voters of their democratic agency, akin to when bosses in the past would offer gifts to their workers if they voted the right way.

Labour and the Lib Dems have of course not changed their strategy to such an extent that democrats can now support them. On the contrary, both parties still want to make null and void the vote for Brexit and force the idiotic masses to vote again, with a degraded, smaller choice this time. But the shift in their strategies nonetheless tells us a larger story about how utterly disconnected these political elites have become and how much their worldview grates with the public. In these past few days we have witnessed democracy in action – a distant, technocratic establishment being forced into retreat by an engaged and principled crowd. Such democratic pressure must be sustained right through to the vote itself, so that all politicians in this country understand that the people will never tolerate the trashing of a democratic vote.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Frank Strong

30th November 2019 at 11:02 pm

I’ve always voted Labour. All my family have in fact always voted Labour. But not this time. Our Labour MP is anti-Brexit and so for the first time ever I’m voting Tory. Hopefully the Brexit party will stand and save me the shame. But if they don’t then the Consewrvatives will get my vote.

Modern Money

30th November 2019 at 7:48 pm

It is long overdue.

An article needs to be written if why what the SNP is offering is not independence at all. It is a faux independence trapped by Brussels.

Modern Money

30th November 2019 at 7:45 pm

Excellent article !

I have wanted Scottish independence for the exact same reasons I have wanted to leave the EU after the Maastricht treaty and I will never vote for the SNP again.

Gareth Edward KING

30th November 2019 at 11:46 am

As my vote is in Shropshire (postal as it is) I can’t imagine that the Brexit Party would be standing in a safe Tory seat, so my only option is to vote Tory? I can’t do it. The Brexit Party standing down candidates in more than 300 constituencies has been a grave mistake, it’s a question of principle. As has been mentioned in other Spiked articles, voters like myself have been effectively dis-enfranchised, allowing the Tories to strike out for Brexit with their version of the May deal (treaty). I won’t be holding my breath in terms of our leaving the EU in any real sense.
I can imagine that the French and the Italians had been looking for us to take a lead in striking a death knell to the EU, but they are going to be sorely disappointed. In late January, the elections in Emilia-Romagna are expected to bring in the right which, with any luck , will be the precursor to General Elections in Italy later in the year. Is Matteo Salvini going to call for a referendum on Italian membership? Are the Italians going to be the torch-bearers for a ‘Quitaly’ worth its name? If they are, they won’t be waiting more than three years for a democratic mandate to be effected, of that we can be sure.

Puddy Cat

29th November 2019 at 9:43 am

Labour, as it has always done, appeals in this election to give away’s and experimental social reform. Given the choice between being beholding to a cause, being seduced by frippery in exchange for servitude to a state (a place where the better off and elites will find ways of using the system to their own benefit). As for social reform, is this not the underlying and regularly proven Achilles Heal of a party without any firm doctrine. A party that will attempt to take advantage of the electorate by suggesting always a new way, what could be but which inevitably is moonshine or un-affordable; they are the poster boys for the underlying Marxist-Leninist Utopia that not a single working, thriving example has been contrived.

Labour is the party that, in its most egregious manifestations, corralled, used, Scotland. Where it used the country only to ensure its general majority but otherwise ignored the place (and by so doing blackened the name of Union and emphasised what the SNP uses as the headline for its purpose in seeking independence; in a way you cannot blame them, but only using Labour as the model of their discontent).

Rather than being dependent on hand-outs to have an existence working voters are enthused, motivated by the idea of promoting the fifth richest country in the world to being the fourth or third richest country. In disconnecting from political promises and promoting the idea of the individual and the means of self aggrandisement. For years there have been contrivances concerning benefits and the idle poor we now see that a state poverty was better than the opportunities on offer and neither were truly appealing. Any politics that subordinates you to a mean is the denial of your having children, of effort, of self-improvement. It sets a boundary as to what is enough.

We have had decades of those cossetted by the state in higher education and other governmental posts becoming smug lackeys who while recognising the condition of others, have a way of writing about them and informing of them, which makes them saintly and selfless. Only to actually carve themselves a security that the workers will never know. It has all been a contrivance by the bourgeois that has made a class distinction between them and those whom they profess to be guardians of.

The streets are now full of these free thinkers become arbiters. They are the people with the free time to protest on matters of conscience that impinge on democratic principals by having that extra vote outside elections while others are clocking in and out and probably too buggered to take to the streets, being weighed down by ‘adequacy’ and ‘typicality’ rather than bold statements of their individual worth and their disaffection with politics that needs their votes but which has been shown in much Parliamentary unveiling that it despises them as a class.

John Millson

29th November 2019 at 8:42 am

Maybe not relevant, but we have to accept that in spirit the UK has now disintegrated.

In any discussions about post-referendum disrespect of the electorate, the word ‘people’ surely has to be pre-fixed with ‘English/Welsh’.

Chauncey Gardiner

29th November 2019 at 7:02 am

“Vulgar elitism”?

I like that phrase.

I guess we (“vulgaris” – the mob, the common folk, the revolting peasants) are all elitists now.

Hugo van der Meer

29th November 2019 at 1:43 am

Define working class? There is no such animal. Traditional working class people ‘the salt of the earth’ have long gone. Those 2ho fought

Hugo van der Meer

29th November 2019 at 1:49 am

TO continue…those who fought for improved working conditions for themselves their work mates and their families were all but wiped out by Thatcher and the rest were buried by Blair and Brown.. traitors to the cause. All that’s left is pockets of English nationalism labelled ‘right wing’ the children of the working class who had the country, for which their forefathers fought and died, given away by mealy mouthed parasites. Nothing changes!

Jerry Owen

29th November 2019 at 11:05 am

The vast majority of people ‘work’ for a living. The vast majority of people couldn’t survive six months out of work, thus the vast majority of people are dependant on wage labour. Working class.
The era you refer to has long since gone , but the people haven’t they are still here. Industry has collapsed society is much more fragmented , so the old days of thousands of workers traipsing to huge factories, the pits, the steel works etc are long gone.Our system hasn’t changed it is still capitalist, it is still about making profits out of labour or more accurately labour and services.
Of course into that mix is how people define their class, ie, is it simply how much money you earn, your aspirations ( Thatcher certainly lifted the aspirations of millions ) your political viewpoints, the subject is actually one that interests me.
Personally it’s a mixture of all of the above, but there is undeniably a working class tier that makes up the majority of the citizenship of this country,

Jerry Owen

29th November 2019 at 11:30 am

Our political elite scum have refused to implement Brexit for over three years, now just two weeks before the GE they are softening around the edges to garner your vote so their respective party candidates can join the Westminster gravy train, oh and they will renage, they will continue to destroy Brexit after the election, they will have five years to ‘Boll*x Brexit.
Voting for the big two or the little clingon rump party shows a complete lack of voter self respect unless you are an anti democrat ‘remainer’ of course (in which case fair enough).
If you really want change our current stale system you have the option of the BP, UKIP, even the Communist party for god’s sakes, but a vote for the big parties continues the power and corruption of the present political system.
Voting for the ‘best of a bad bunch’ just doesn’t cut it anymore.
Farage’s big mistake unfortunately was to enter into a pact with the tory party, because right at that moment he joined the ‘old out of date political system’, I will still lend my support though for the moment.
As we know the tories have punished the BP since by not standing their candidates down.. just how much more do people need to be s*at on by these people to wake up and smell the rancid coffee?
I will be spoiling/writing a message on my ballot paper ( I have no BP candidate ), at least I know that it has to be read out to all the candidates when it is counted, I suspect the LibDem candidate may blush a bit.


28th November 2019 at 11:07 pm

How can the Tories be considered in any sense ‘democrats’ when they seek to preserve the monarchy, aristocracy, ‘public’ school hegemony and the dominance of London and the south-east over every other part of the UK? The introduction of unfettered democracy in this country would require revolutionary change of a kind that none of the parties are willing to undertake.

Jerry Owen

29th November 2019 at 11:36 am

London has always been the hub of power and commerce of this country. it always will be.
If you expect Westminster to make revolutionary change, you really need to open your eyes. What a truly weird thing to write 1

antoni orgill

28th November 2019 at 10:20 pm

Yes, Brendan … Swinson is “quite irritating”. The Bitch of the Year with only Jacob Rees-Mogg as a feasible rival … quite irritating … or, an unfeasibly repugnant … twat.

John Little

28th November 2019 at 9:19 pm

I do hope that democracy does prove to be a disinfectant this December. Because Corbyn and Swinton are not democrats. Personally, after what we now know, I cannot understand why anybody with a healthy sense of right and wrong would vote for Corbyn’s Labour. I just pray that the electorate don’t disgrace themselves and let Corbyn or Swinton get even a toe hold on power. If they do I’m dusting off my passport.

John Millson

29th November 2019 at 9:21 am

So the implication is anyone with a ‘healthy sense of right and wrong’ must vote Tory? Extraordinary. Please accept both parties are ‘infected’ at the moment.
The Labour Party still contain some pragmatic democratic socialists just as the Conservative Party have genuine ‘one-nation’ types.
Assuming the Tories win with a sizable majority and Brexit is mobilised finally, we will no doubt then see how the ‘one-nation’ tradition is supressed.
What other Parliamentary & Constitutional procedural trickery are they going to perform?
We are told people accept Boris Johnson is a lying cheat but will vote for him anyway.
Maybe not a good idea to call into question other peoples’ morality when it comes to general elections?

Jerry Owen

29th November 2019 at 10:46 am

I am no fan of either of the big two and am likely to leave a message on my ballot paper. I do hope though that Johnson does actually take us out of the EU in 2020 .. the terms of course are up for much discussion as we know.
I just hope that people like you once we are ‘out’ decide to call it a day on your continual sniping and whinging on this site, your continuous talking about a ‘divided nation’ which you losers are solely responsible for by the way with your references to leave voters as idiots and cockroaches.
Stop whinging accept we need to get brexit done. it will happen sooner or later, just row in the same direction as the rest of us and it will make for a more harmonious nation.

John Millson

29th November 2019 at 11:59 am

Jerry Owen,
I make no excuses for being ‘post-nationalist’. How could I? It’s been my lived personal experience for these last 45 years. Being too young to vote for EC membership in 1975, I have accepted it and ‘got on with it’ without ‘whingeing’.
The ‘division’ was not caused by one side after 2016. As we know the 2016 referendum just made manifest what had been bubbling away for years.
I understand figures might be tiresome but the close result implies that Brexit needs to carried out with caution and wisdom – it would have to be whatever the result.
I accept Brexit needs to be ‘done’. I do not accept that it needs to be at the cost of peoples’ ruined prospects and quality of life.

Jerry Owen

29th November 2019 at 12:29 pm

J Millson
The 2016 referendum hasn’t made ‘manifest’ what has been bubbling away for many years, that is patently wrong. There was no big divide bubbling away underneath over membership of the EEC or common market. It wasn’t liked by millions but it was accepted .. the vote to join the common market was accepted by the losers, they didn’t continually whinge and whine, do you not understand that?
Fast forward to today.. we have a vote on membership but this time your side loses.. and God do we ever hear the last of it, day in day out for three tedious years?
The big divide, the likes that I haven’t seen since the miners strike is from your side only not ours.
With reference to ‘figures being tiresome’ .. absolutely not, the figures show we won and you lost .. the figures are great ‘52% leave 48% remain’, I never tire of seeing that result. They show you what democracy should be all about, ie the winners have their vote enacted and the losers just need to suck it up.

John Millson

29th November 2019 at 1:22 pm

Jerry Owen,
‘Fast forward to today.. we have a vote on membership but this time your side loses.. and God do we ever hear the last of it, day in day out for three tedious years?’
(My ‘side’. I couldn’t vote in 1975.) There is a qualitative difference between joining then and leaving now, especially abruptly. Many connections, agreements and laws have been put in place since 1975. They cannot just be thrown out overnight.
Your belligerence is unhelpful. ‘We’, ‘us’ – ‘you’, ‘yours’.
You ‘won’. Grow up, ‘Suck it up’ and compromise. It’s almost as if you feel you shouldn’t have ‘won’.
Yes those figures do matter. Don’t ever forget what Nigel Farage said in 2016: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

Jerry Owen

29th November 2019 at 1:47 pm

John Millson
I never alluded to you voting in 1975.
You fail to grasp three years have gone by in which we could have been organizing alternative arrangements and trade deals, none have happened because of the remain establishment. Three years wasted. three years of pain for small business such is the lack of care our establishment have for the people of this country. Such selfishness.
Your continued theme that you always parrot that we just can’t throw everything out overnight is a red herring and you know it. No leaver has expected that. We all know it will take time to regain the rightful freedom of our nation again. It will take years to undo the stranglehold of the EU. That’s the price we pay for freedom.
Also I have never thought i should not have won the referendum .. what are you prattling on about? And you refer to my belligerence, really ?.. Your lack of irony and self awareness is truly staggering, can you not see yourself at all ?
Lastly , it’s revealing to see how you have decided what will constitute a ‘remain’ victory in a second referendum when the result of the first referendum hasn’t even been enacted.. How about this for a novel approach, we leave the EU as we voted for in the referendum then you can start a campaign to rejoin the EU?
A sort of mirror image of the original vote to join the CM.

John Millson

29th November 2019 at 2:33 pm

Jerry Owen,
‘Campaign to rejoin’. Mmm.

Janet Mozelewski

29th November 2019 at 7:11 pm

People like you intrigue me. They trot out stuff about a WTO Brexit being a catastrophe (and often imply ANY Brexit will be a catastrophe) and blight people’s lives….without ever really telling us why being in the EU (especially against the express wishes of the majority) is not. I never ever ever hear reasoned, rational POSITIVE reasons why we should stay. OR why we should leave entirely on the terms dictated by the EU. Because there are none. The youth of Spain, Greece and large swathes of France have few to no prospects. (Unless they go abroad.) The EU has done that. Its hard to see how leaving the EU would make things any worse for those countries given that so many futures have been blighted already,

Tim Wheeler

28th November 2019 at 6:43 pm

Spot-On Brendon. I’m a socialist but I’ll hold my nose and vote Tory to retain genuine citizen democracy in Britain. I can NEVER vote Labour whilst they plan to give it away to unelected E.U. commissioners. Are Labour blind, deaf, & stupid?

Tim Wheeler

28th November 2019 at 7:20 pm

I see she is on the lastest Joe Rogan show too.

Winston Stanley

28th November 2019 at 6:43 pm

Well, FPTP reinforces the two-party system. Like all human choices it comes down to a binary “yes or no”, which is how computers work. Especially after that YG poll yesterday. The BP vote has collapse to the TP and now LD voters know that they either vote LP or get a Boris Brexit. I am not sure that I really care anymore. Really we need a referendum system of government that really reflect what voters want rather than what the capitalist state needs. Fraid I moved over the last couple of years.

“BJ Johnson”, let me be the first to draw that one out.

Geoff Cox

28th November 2019 at 6:11 pm

If the LibDems have changed their position on Brexit, it is a pity. Their policy of “back us and we will cancel Brexit” is a perfectly reasonable position – that is to say, by explicitly saying they will cancel Brexit and then getting a majority to vote for it, they would therefore have a mandate to do so. Though I am a staunch Brexiteer, I would have had to recognise that a new mandate had been created. But now, it is all fudge again. I just hope the LibDems suffer at the polls even more for their lack of consistency and bottle.

Janet Mozelewski

28th November 2019 at 7:56 pm

No. Not in my view. Because once a precedent has been set all the rules change…not just the ones you want. A vote was held. Majority wanted to leave. We haven’t left…..and that is largely down to Lib Dems throwing spanners in the works. Fiddle about for 3 years….wait for enough people to die…..then have another mandate? Well suppose they get one….but the same process of block and stop is put to use to stop their policies? No. We can’t get past that. No matter whether they get a new mandate or not….they simply didn’t respect the old one and give it a chance.
One cannot ‘cancel Brexit’ in that one cannot pretend it didn’t happen no matter how much LibDems want to do so. It is always going to be there. like the act of infidelity in a relationship, or the broken vow, it changes everything and that is simply fact.

Paul Sutton

28th November 2019 at 5:03 pm

I don’t see the Labour position as, in any way, more democratic. Another referendum – however constructed – tears up the 2016 result, unless Remain is not an option.

I’m baffled how Labour get away with less flack – not that I have any sympathy for the appalling Lib Dems (I speak as someone who has the ghastly Layla Moron as MP).

James Knight

28th November 2019 at 5:55 pm

Not so. I always favoured a 2nd referendum: between whatever deal they came up with and leave with no deal. This would have put much more pressure on the negotiation process.

Now Labour want a vote between Remain and Remain without the UK having a say. Between giving back control and giving back more control.

Paul Sutton

28th November 2019 at 6:40 pm

Your proposal is fine – since you don’t have Remain as an option.

I made it clear, in my comment, that it’s allowing Remain as an option that’s is unacceptable.

Labour’s does, so it tears up the first.

Chris Stapleton

28th November 2019 at 7:13 pm

The so-called “confirmatory referendum” is actually nothing more than a device to give the losers of the “Peoples’ Vote” of 2016 another chance to stop brexit.

Those who are calling for a “confirmatory referendum” with “remain” as an option are as undemocratic as those who would revoke Article 50.

Jonathan Marshall

28th November 2019 at 8:24 pm

Quite right. Remain was defeated in 2016 so should not be an option in any putative second referendum – which of course should never happen anyway (the reasoning behind such a move is simply “Get it right this time, you stupid plebs!”).

K Tojo

28th November 2019 at 4:27 pm

I would dearly like to be able to vote for a party or simply a candidate that treated Extinction Rebellion, Greta Thunberg and the whole notion of a “climate emergency” with the aggressive skepticism they deserve. If only there was a party that would promise to subject the climate change mania to the full, independent scientific investigation it desperately needs rather than blindly committing us the romantic anti-capitalist dreams of fanatical eco-warriors.

There is no democratic choice when all parties have adopted the same uncritical stance on this vitally important subject. Why have the eco-fanatics been allowed to get away with it?

Jenny Clarke

28th November 2019 at 5:18 pm

I don’t see the XR lot or any climate emergency supporters as anti-capitalist. If only they were, we might get somewhere. However, they are pro-elite, and act in the full (though erroneous) belief that they are part of that elite, whilst the rest of us are lumbered with green austerity because it’s good for us. Certainly they need attacking – they are an arm of multi-national globalization.

K Tojo

28th November 2019 at 5:56 pm

In order to make your point about multi-national globalisation, elites etc, probably a favourite topic of yours, you have missed the point of my original comment.

I repeat (with added emphasis): “…subject the climate change mania to the full, INDPENDENT scientific investigation it desperately needs”.

If you haven’t already, it might be worth your while looking into the beliefs and activities of the late Dr Maurice Strong and The Club of Rome (but don’t rely on Wikipedia for unbiased info). Yes, they advocate a global agenda but with socialist aims rather than those of multi-national corporations.

As for “getting somewhere”, I am not sure where you think we ought to get to. Do you think we should acquiesce to the eco-activists? Australia has taken steps in that direction and the life of the luckless Ozzies has suffered.

H McLean

28th November 2019 at 8:33 pm

The whole XR campaign is based on anti-capitalism. Why do you think they talk so much about climate justice, which is just a sneaky way of saying reallocation of resources. One of the founder of XR, Stuart Basden, wrote an incredible article explaining exactly what their intentions are, and it’s a shocker. These people hate everything about the way modern people live. Everything.

K Tojo

28th November 2019 at 9:58 pm

Thanks for the link H Mclean. Very revealing.
I have extracted one quote for those who are too busy to read the Basden’s article. The essence of the environmentalist mindset is there:

“And I’m here to say that XR isn’t about the climate. You see, the climate’s breakdown is a symptom of a toxic system of that has infected the ways we relate to each other as humans and to all life. This was exacerbated when European ‘civilisation’ was spread around the globe through cruelty and violence (especially) over the last 600 years of colonialism, although the roots of the infections go much further back”.

Just like the post JJ Rousseau Romantics there is a disgust for civilisation and a longing to return an earlier age of innocence. Those public figures so eager to hop onto the climate emergency bandwagon should take a long hard look at what they are campaigning for. It goes way beyond organic farming, bicycles and electric cars.

James Knight

28th November 2019 at 5:59 pm

It is funny how you don’t hear Corbyn claiming to be “neutral” on climate change.

Jim Lawrie

28th November 2019 at 10:12 pm

Donald Trump called the whole thing for what it is – a hoax, and became President wit no-one attempting to debate him on it.

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