The madness of Extinction Rebellion

This is an upper-middle-class death cult and we should ridicule it out of existence.

Brendan O'Neill

Brendan O'Neill
Editor

Yesterday, in London, I witnessed an eerie, chilling sight: I saw a death cult holding a ceremony in public.

The men and women gathered outside King’s Cross station and formed a circle. They swayed and chanted. They preached about End Times. ‘What will you do when the world gets hot, what, what?’, they intoned, conjuring up images of the hellfire they believe will shortly consume mankind. They sang hymns to their god – science. ‘We’ve got all the science / All that we need / To change the world / Hallelujah’, they sang, rocking side to side as they did so.

They demanded repentance. ‘Buy less, fly less, fry less’, said one placard. Catholics only demand the non-consumption of meat on Fridays, as an act of penance to mark the day of Christ’s death. This new religion demands an end to meat-consumption entirely, as penance for mankind’s sins of growth and progress.

And like all death cultists, they handed out leaflets that contained within them ‘THE TRUTH’. The leaflets foretell floods and fire: ‘We are in trouble. Sea levels are rising… Africa and the Amazon are on fire.’ The only word that was missing was locusts. They can’t be far behind these other ghastly visitations to sinful mankind.

And if you question their TRUTH? Then, like those heretics who were hauled before The Inquisition 500 years ago, you will be denounced as a denier. A denier of their revelations, a denier of their visions. ‘Denial is not a policy’, their placards decreed. Spotting me filming their spooky, apocalyptic ceremony, one of the attendees waved that placard in my face. A warning from the cult to a corrupted outsider.

This was, of course, Extinction Rebellion. Let us no longer beat around the bush about these people. This is an upper-middle-class death cult.

This is a millenarian movement that might speak of science, but which is driven by sheer irrationalism. By fear, moral exhaustion and misanthropy. This is the deflated, self-loathing bourgeoisie coming together to project their own psycho-social hang-ups on to society at large. They must be criticised and ridiculed out of existence.

Yesterday’s gathering, like so many other Extinction Rebellion gatherings, was middle-aged and middle-class. The commuters heading in and out of King’s Cross looked upon them with bemusement. ‘Oh, it’s those Extinction freaks’, I heard one young man say. It had the feel of Hampstead and the Home Counties descending on a busy London spot to proselytise the cult of eco-alarmism to the brainwashed, commuting plebs.

It was a gathering to mark Extinction Rebellion’s week of disruption. The group is asking people in London and other cities around the world to ‘take two weeks off work’ and join the revolt against the ‘climate and ecological crisis’. You can tell who they’re trying to appeal to. Working-class people and the poor of New Delhi, Mumbai and Cape Town – some of the cities in which Extinction Rebellion will be causing disruption – of course cannot afford to take two weeks off work. But then, these protests aren’t for those people. In fact, they’re against those people.

Extinction Rebellion is a reactionary, regressive and elitist movement whose aim is to impose the most disturbing form of austerity imaginable on people across the world. One of the great ironies of ‘progressive’ politics today is that people of a leftist persuasion will say it is borderline fascism if the Tory government closes down a library in Wolverhampton, but then they will cheer this eco-death cult when it demands a virtual halt to economic growth with not a single thought for the devastating, immiserating and outright lethal impact such a course of action would have on the working and struggling peoples of the world.

Extinction Rebellion says mankind is doomed if we do not cut carbon emissions to Net Zero by 2025. That’s six years’ time. Think about it: they want us to halt a vast array of human activity that produces carbon. All that Australian digging for coal; all those Chinese factories employing millions of people and producing billions of things used by people around the world; all those jobs in the UK in the fossil-fuel industries; all those coal-fired power stations; all that flying; all that driving… cut it all back, rein it in, stop it. And the people who rely on these things for their work and their food and their warmth? Screw them. They’re only humans. Horrible, destructive, stupid humans.

Progressive movements, as the name suggests, used to be about pursuing progress, pushing mankind forwards, creating a better, wealthier world for all. Extinction Rebellion wants the precise opposite. It wants to propel us backwards, to the Stone Age. It wants to reverse the most important moment in human history – the Industrial Revolution. It wants to undo that revolution’s liberation of mankind from the brutishness and ignorance of life on the land and recreate that old, unforgiving world in which we all ‘ate locally’, never travelled, danced around maypoles for fun, and died of cholera when we were 38.

The sheer backwardness of Extinction Rebellion was captured when two of its members appeared on Sky News yesterday morning. They complained, hysterically, about modernity. One of them bemoaned all the electricity that is used in a city like London. So the very lighting up and warming of cities, the electricity that powers homes and workplaces and transport systems and life-support machines, is offensive to these hair-shirted, self-flagellating loathers of arrogant humankind. ‘Switch it all off’, is their alarmingly immoral cry.

What is most astonishing about the Extinction Rebellion phenomenon is what an easy ride these people get in the media and from political types. They are treated as wise and radical defenders of reason and the future. Please. These people are a menace to good sense, rationality, truth and progress. Their predictions of hellfire if we don’t cut carbon emissions by 2025 are pure bunkum. They lie and spread fear and disrupt hard-working people’s lives. If you see this cult promoting its deathly propaganda on the streets of your city this week, give them a piece of your mind.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

ron kirkby

15th October 2019 at 1:51 pm

Extinction Rebellion is a government funded(deep) operation typical of the” problem reaction solution”, brain wash the herd with climate change, global warming e.t.c. over and over and over again. till people emotionally react, but ask any of the er lot what is agenda 21 or what the NWO agenda is or ask them about the Georga Guide stones and most will not know what you mean.They only need the emotive part to join the e,r not the facts, have any of them bothered to study the weather or do they just take the word of idiots like attenborough who are globalist puppets. All this will bring to the people is another tax i.e a Carbon dioxide tak and make your Grandchilden poorer kingston. The carbon tax is just another globalist tax and is all part of the depopulation agenda of the globalist and the er odiots are fighting very hard for there very own enslavement in the future. Many of these idiots are destroying there own futures by diliberately getting arrested then getting a police record and try getting a job then| ER is ultimately a self distruct group and once they are forgotten your police record wont be.

Bella Donna

13th October 2019 at 1:41 pm

I lump the ER loons in the same box as Remainers. All are seriously deranged and should not be given any oxygen!

Jerry Owen

11th October 2019 at 1:22 pm

Greta Thunberg hasn’t won the Nobel Peace Prize .
I bet she didn’t see that !

A Game

11th October 2019 at 6:53 pm

I want to know why Boyan Slat wasn’t nominated. He puts that dull swede to shame. Dutch lad who went to work on how to retrieve plastics from the ocean. 19 years old now, worked on it since he was 15 or something. THAT is what should be hailed as truly inspiring youth. But I had to google the topic to find his name. I read about him… I’ve never seen another word since.
Its all cracked, I tell you, cracked.

ron kirkby

11th October 2019 at 11:54 am

Phil Kingston is a meat eater and drove or drives a car, he drove a red nissan micra and a citroen 2cv and in case no one can work out hes mentally ill he spent quite some time in Glenside Mental hospital. If you follow him your as mad as he is|

James Peterson

11th October 2019 at 2:42 am

This comment section is full of sad hate-fulled men that just have nothing better to do than moan about people trying to make a difference. Dont be such fools. Even if climate change wasn’t happening, surely you’re not idiotic enough to think that cutting down on our carbon emissions won’t make a difference to our health. There’s no bad to come out of this other than you might be 10 minutes late to your meeting that is completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. You will be the ones on the wrong side of history and I feel for you poor kids that will suffer because of it. Not a brain cell between you.

Claire D

11th October 2019 at 8:40 am

If you had taken the time to look, in actual fact three women have dominated this comments page with thoughtful, interesting and informative posts. (That’s not to say that many men have’nt contributed in a worthwhile way as well.)

Claire D

11th October 2019 at 8:45 am

And just in case there’s any misunderstanding I do not include myself.

Jerry Owen

11th October 2019 at 5:08 pm

Clare D
You don’t include yourself .. you should !

Claire D

12th October 2019 at 6:59 am

thank you Jerry.

Ed Turnbull

11th October 2019 at 1:07 pm

Ok, James, enlighten me. Y’see I *am* one of those ‘idiotic’ “enough to think that cutting down on our carbon emissions won’t make a difference to our health”. I am assume by “carbon emissions” you mean *carbon dioxide emissions*, but maybe you mean we should stop chucking diamonds away. Just looking for clarification as I would hate to misrepresent you.

So, James, please explain how reducing anthropogenic emissions of a trace gas will help improve human health. I mean, CO2 is exists in our atmosphere in a concentration of around 440 PPM (around 0.00044 %), and of that around only 3% is actually anthropogenic (13.2 PPM, about 0.0000132%). So, I’m really interested to learn the mechanism by which reducing the concentration of anthropogenic CO2 in our atmosphere will improve human health. And in what ways? Fewer cancers? Greater longevity? Lower infant mortality?

Anyway James, let me conclude by saying that my brain cells (yes, *plural*, get over it) are functioning just fine. But thank you for asking though.

[This comment contained Realfacts and I apologise if anyone was triggered by this. I’ll try to do better in future (assuming we actually have one, what with the Earth being on fire and all that), and restrict myself to Goodfacts only.]

Xavier Roberts

13th October 2019 at 4:34 pm

Ed Turnbull, 440ppm is .044%, and atmospheric CO2 increases by about 2ppm a year, every year, year on year. That CO2 comes from burning fossil fuels (most of it), cement and land use changes

Those are real facts…

What will it do? I don’t think you want to know so I wont bother.

Jerry Owen

11th October 2019 at 5:07 pm

Lots of women here .. your prejudice is Stark instantly.
No one has argued that using our resources wisely is not good , do keep up.
As for being ten minutes late the last time these cultist freaks blocked London it cost me three hours.. belching fumes out of my car. So caring about our environment aren’t you !

ron kirkby

16th October 2019 at 1:46 am

Your NOT making a difference at all, unless you think its ok for another tax. The Government all ready got away with VAT value addes tax, what VALUE to where and when and too who, so yo want a carbon dioxide tax, who benefits? you wont the globalist will, your children will pay with the enslavement you bestowed to them through mind control. WELL DONE..

Kevin O’Keeffe

11th October 2019 at 1:50 am

A handful of deranged British lesbians does not constitute a movement in any meaningful way.

Marilynne Mellander

10th October 2019 at 6:40 pm

These people are going to hell but are too stupid to enjoy what life they have…

Martin Bishop

10th October 2019 at 1:59 pm

Yes we must all keep having babies and support the economy. After all, that’s what us working class are good for isn’t it? More meat for the machine eh?

A Game

11th October 2019 at 7:01 pm

M Bishop:
Welcome to the party, Pal.

Especially meat for the machine. Where are all those organs meant to come from for transplant? Except we’re now to go back to feudalism and till the fields… we got a bit uppity with our cheap plastic toys from China and our McMansions.

Jerry Owen

10th October 2019 at 8:18 am

Andrew Neil on BBC2 last night takes apart an XR leader. Zion Lights is her name .I think hers went out in the interview ,,Which is what they want anyway.
And these people have the science on their side ?
BTW Neil was especially lenient with her as well.

Ross McLeod

9th October 2019 at 10:36 pm

Facts speak louder than anything else and these people have none.

Anyone who thinks net zero emissions by 2030, 205 or any other date is deluded.

Here is an article showing what needs to be done to come even close

https://www.thegwpf.com/net-zero-co2-emissions-by-2050-requires-a-new-nuclear-power-plant-every-day/

3 New nuclear plants every 2 days plus closure of the equivalent hydrocarbon plants from a month ago to 2050; or,

“Net-zero carbon dioxide by 2050 would require the deployment of ~1500 wind turbines (2.5 MW) over ~300 square miles, every day starting tomorrow and continuing to 2050.”

Seriously ?

We’re already 30 or so nuclear plants behind or several thousand miles of wind farms since the article was published.

It isn’t gunna happen and neither are the ridiculous predictions of thermageddon !

EDMUND GEMMELL

9th October 2019 at 10:11 pm

It is very difficult to imagine a “pack of savages” that includes mothers with babies, ex chief superintendents of police and Boris’ father. And at the same time other commentators see this group as more middle-class intelligentsia. The XR protestors are simply a mixed bag of very concerned individuals wishing to protect the planet and their children’s future.
Brendan says “This is a millenarian movement that might speak of science, but which is driven by sheer irrationalism. By fear, moral exhaustion and misanthropy. This is the deflated, self-loathing bourgeoisie coming together to project their own psycho-social hang-ups on to society at large.”

Yes, Brendan is correct that they speak of science because all the World’s scientists ARE telling us that we are in serious danger. One scientific warning was signed by 21,000 scientists from all over the World, yes, you read that right 21,000 scientists. I refer to the World Scientists Warning to Humanity – A Second notice issued in October 2017. This scientific warning said we need to act NOW and not wait.
This report is more than backed up by the UN’s requirement that we limit global heating to 1.5 degrees within a decade. The UN scientists who are inevitably conservative give us just over ten years but we should not wait we need to act now.
All scientists are currently saying the same thing. There is no longer any disagreement among scientists as to the dangers of global heating. None! There is some discussion over the speed and severity but not over the fact of it happening.
We must act now!
We must hope for the best and act as if the worst is about to happen. This makes common sense. If your doctor tells you that you will die in a year if you do not stop drinking or smoking then you act and change – you don’t wait to find out if you are one of the 1% who beats the norm.
We must act now as if climate change is a war threat. When danger reached the beaches of Normandy in1940 we reacted and turned 75% of our industry and nearly 50% of our GDP to dealing with this threat and we won. We need to do this again. There is no point in waiting until change is forced on us in the last minute as the World runs out of drinking water with the resulting wars and millions of climate refugees come to Britain annually or monthly. It is better to act now ad try to avoid this probable scenario.
Extinction Rebellion as simply trying to make you and I realise that we need to force the government to act now and not wait until it is too late.

Andrew Leonard

10th October 2019 at 2:40 am

There is no such thing as climate science.
So called climate scientists are really just climate modellers.
That is why none of these people have won any prestigious awards – they have done nothing original.
The primary customer base for these climate modellers is national governments.
The question that all of us have to ask, including you doomists, is:

Do governments have a neutral orientation with respect to scientifically derived knowledge?

Why do you assume that governments want the truth about climate change?
Those 21,000 climate modellers you mention are simply giving the market (governments) what it wants, just as private companies do. This is not a conspiracy theory, it’s a supply and demand theory.

If you insist that governments really are climate change truth seekers, perhaps you could care to comment on this quote of UN IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer:

“First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”
https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2019/07/12/un-admits-climate-change-purpose-to-redistribute-worlds-wealth/

How many of the 21,000 have contradicted this?

Jerry Owen

10th October 2019 at 11:47 am

This was in response to E Gemmell not you !

Andrew Leonard

10th October 2019 at 1:03 pm

Yes I know that Jerry.
I can tell from the post times 🙂
Cheers

Jerry Owen

10th October 2019 at 6:54 am

Long science free post, typical of your apocalyptic sort.
All scientists do not agree that we have an emergency or mankind is causing AGW, tens of thousands are pushing back.
Win us over with your scientific data not your repetitive doomsday nonsense .

Jerry Owen

10th October 2019 at 7:04 am

31,000 scientists signed a petition against the Kyoto protocol agreement…. Yes .. 31,000 !
Just in the last two weeks 500 scientists have declared there is no climate emergency in a published letter.. yes 500 !

Craig Lake

9th October 2019 at 4:00 pm

They seem to have dressed up like the suicide squad from Monte Python’s “The Life of Brian.” That seems a good choice, given the “death” part of their cult.

Abraham O’Nana

9th October 2019 at 2:13 pm

The sad thing about XR is all those people who have joined the cause have no idea that the cause was either engineered or hijacked by the large corporations and super wealthy entities they profess to hold as responsible for the issues they believe they are battling against….XR are useful idiots that need to fill a void with a cause…they just picked a poor one.The most incredulous part of the XR crowd is just how many of them are not remotely living in accordance with the extremely restrictive behaviours they wish others to live by.Its a bit like me joining an extreme, radical vegan movement,insisting that everyone should give up meat of any kind for all the moral,health and ecological reasons I have proof for,while I personally continue to enjoy tucking into juicy ribeye steaks(rare of course),chow down on KFC,grind away at pork scratchings ( complete with bits of hair and the occasional nipple) whilst having NO cognitive dissonance ( or shame)whatsoever.Many and of the XR crowd simply live in denial of the facts,of their stunningly gigantic levels of belief stretching hypocrisy.Its like a comedy sketch.

Jerry Owen

9th October 2019 at 1:28 pm

I used to close to Greenham Common when I was a small school boy, I used to pass it on the way to school ( I still glow in the dark ) , I am absolutely convinced some of the grey haired old biddies that camped outside of GC all those years ago are the same ones i am seeing in London, and I am even more convinced they are wearing the same old clothes still. They all look ‘of a type’ .. but that’s conformity for you i guess.
Just who are the great unwashed ?

Jerry Owen

9th October 2019 at 1:29 pm

..* live * ..

Claire D

10th October 2019 at 9:15 am

Ooh Jerry that is so unfair, I demonstrated a few times round that perimeter fence in my youth as a CND supporter. I even considered joining the camp (I’d lost my job and was bored – same as it ever was) luckily I did’nt, found something better to do.

Anyway I am deeply offended and I’m off to get over it in my safe room.

Jerry Owen

10th October 2019 at 11:25 am

Claire D
Ooops , my post was in jest somewhat .. anyway whats wrong with comfy old clothes and grey hair …. says me peddling backwards 🙂

Niklas Bartleby

9th October 2019 at 10:39 am

Terrific, as always. Not that it should need much of a pushing but this article finally pushed me to a monthly donation to spiked online. Thank you Brendan, Joanna, Tom, Ella, and your entire team for what you do. Greetings from Switzerland.

antoni orgill

8th October 2019 at 2:38 pm

Spot on Brendan. The gross moral and emotional blackmail of the eco-warrior caste is pitiful, Philistine, steeped in a culture that rewards spite, malice, ignorance, fear and loathing. The High Priestess whose childhood has been stolen sums them up neatly _ spoiled, brattish malcontents who believe in their human right to be made happy _ by the servitude of others. They are morons and wankers … they should be mocked while we shop, work & play!

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 9:27 am

@ A GAME your reply of 7.20.
It’s hard work as you say, but I’ll keep trying as I do believe that we are taking too much for granted ,and yes, before you cry ‘hypocrite’ -I’m as illogical as most others are.
But, over the many years as an amateur nature watcher, I’ve noted the steady decline of formerly wide spread creatures of every kind.

My worry is that, as I’ve said, this is now becoming a divisive spat along a similar path to Brexit: both sides sneering, casting aspersions, ad hominem attacks and various other tactics.

Finally, my previous question: how do you Aussies feel about the Big Dry and mass migration? Both a worry for Aussies, I should have thought.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 11:39 am

Jane 70
Where we live we have seen a decline in frogs newts and hedgehogs over the last few years, indeed it happened shortly after they built 500 houses opposite us on land which was once green belt land ( thank you Prescot ). Global warming is’t responsible for that.
We have lost many small birds in our garden, due to the extra households that have cats, global warming is not responsible, we also have loss of wildlife habitat due to the loss of hedges . We now have an abundance of Kites as it’s illegal to shoot them, this has resulted in the loss of birds, and small dogs believe it or not.
It’s an easy mistake to conflate issues which shouldn’t be conflated. AGW is a specific charge in that we produce too much CO2 , the reason the AGW zealots refuse to actually discuss it is because there is no tangible evidence that CO2 is bad for humankind.
Hence the excuse that ‘the science is settled’.

Winston Stanley

8th October 2019 at 11:57 am

“It’s an easy mistake to conflate issues which shouldn’t be conflated.”

Wise words. From JO. Goes to show. But not toward me. He has been told. He should stick to logic and renounce harassment. And then maybe we could talk some time. I do not rule it out. B/c we are trying to have a civilised society. All contrary impressions notwithstanding.

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 12:08 pm

I agree entirely Jerry; this is what I’ve been trying, obviously unsuccessfully, to point out: that AGW isn’t responsible for all the changes we see. I’ve never actually claimed that it is/was.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 12:20 pm

Jane 70
I’m sorry you misunderstand my post I wasn’t saying that you believe AGW is responsible for everything although re reading my post I can see how you thought that. I do get get your approach !

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 1:15 pm

No worries Jerry- your reply to mine- we agree.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 11:55 am

Jane 70:
I love a sunburnt country, a land of sweeping plains, ragged mountain ranges, droughts and flooding rains.
Except from My Country by Dorothea McKellar. That is Australia. Anyone who says differently… You have farmers running sheep out near Bourke. You have farmers that refuse to adapt to farming in Australia and you have the farmers who have and are fed up with those who won’t. NSW… ten years ago, built a desalination plant… we’d had a dry spell… it been sneered at and mocked because it hasn’t been needed once, since. Until perhaps now. (That’s the beauty of having them… in and out of use as required.)
Something interesting on the nature watch, fake climate activism. Australian Aborigines are in the carbon credits scheme. They burn off bush, seems to mostly be Western Australia, as a an offset. (Sounds familiar, Sir Reg?) Problem is, they wont’ stop. Nothing is getting a chance to recover, and an already dry, drought prone country is getting its scrub burnt too often. Of course it is. So people who have used the areas for hiking etc for 30 years, are all saying, its getting killed. Biodiversity would be suffering… Our baking sun… you strip off the top layer… its unmerciless, nothing to protect what’s underneath.

Mass migration? Australia a bit similar to US. Big land mass, big primary producer, big immigration can be sustained in a way it can’t in Europe.
Australia needed a bigger population to be… stronger economically. A lot of innovation always has to be sold off overseas because we don’t/didn’t – perhaps 25 million is now enough, not to – have a large enough population to launch ideas, not a big enough tax base.
Of course, the last 10 years, its been full pelt… and the two main cities are choking on it. Traffic, infrastructure, health system, integration issues. So I suppose it needed to be started earlier, so not such a crush.
The ex pats who have parked in the UK for most of their life like to go all culture cringey about racist Australia, but different nationalities have thrived. I asked a recently arrived Syrian, like I always like to ask, how they find Australians. I like to be leading by pulling a face, expecting the worse… I’ve never been indulged. Very “smiley” is the last response I got, along with happy, friendly, nice.
Like everyone else, the rub is that no one was asked if they wanted multiculturalism, so its the same onslaught on “Merry Christmas” as everywhere else… and just the worry about wages and housing etc. Sydney is one of the most expensive cities in the world, immigration has put very fierce pressure on prices (a few other things, too), suburbs that used to be… say Italian immigrants are now Lebanese Muslim… Lebanese Christians pushed outward. Chinese is our biggest immigrant demographic… aside from the Chinese state influence it turns out we have, the Chinese are fantastic. I never hear, never have heard, anyone giving them stick. They integrate, they are fantastic to work with… quirky senses of humour… Indians are the next largest…
The same silly story about ageing population has been sold, economic growth, but whilst the Federal Government can sneak in an extra bit of GDP growth, the per capita is down, has been for a while, and it is state governments that take the hit with infrastructure… but they don’t get the “economic growth” perk.
Caw… 20 years ago, Bob Carr, state premier of NSW, where Sydney is, said its gotta stop. Everyone wants to live in Sydney, we’re not keeping up. Melbourne has since put their hand up and seem to be begging anyone from anywhere to please move there.
It might have been on this site… I should have noted the sentence better and who said it… the ageing population line – a pyramid ponzi scheme… wish I could remember it… totally accurate. Millenials outnumber baby boomers… first generation to do so… so its just going to go round and round.
And we’ve hit the wall with eco systems. Native wildlife, already vulnerable to exotic pests – foxes, feral cats, rats, are getting pushed out with land clearing. Beyond the Great Dividing Range that runs north to south, its pretty much always desert… so its a squeeze.
Time the immigration slowed right down. But neither main party wants to, only right wing fringe party does, the Greens definitely not, they like to conflate it as a humanitarian project. Unions want to keep it up because it fuels the housing boom.

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 12:17 pm

It was me who did the Ponzi scheme critique A GAME; it’s a con, foisted on us by politicians and media types of every kind.
We seem to agree on much of what has been argued about here.
A friend visited her family in NZ last Christmas,where the native creatures are apparently facing similar threats to those in Australia; I believe that licensed culling is under way in some parts of NZ.

A Game

9th October 2019 at 1:30 pm

I just read my post… I shouldn’t post when I’m tired. Merciless.
Ahhh, so that’s good, I found the rightful owner. It struck me because of its accuracy and I’ve never heard it labelled so… very efficient. The thing with the pyramid scheme is, where does it end? What society do they think they are building? Do they want an overcrowded nightmare into the future, to make a buck today? Its a facet of capitalism I find so… tedious. Rip down that building, there’s money to be made, today. Dump that toxic waste into the river, its cheap for me to make money, today… never mind in 10 years time. And governments have happily trotted along with it.
I have so many issues with the methodology re exotic pests. Poisonous spraying, which kills everyone’s pet dogs… not sure how the wombats fare, they get mange from the foxes going into their burroughs… would they cope with poison sprayed everywhere? Mass baiting, so every other animal cops it, the cats don’t eat it… you’ve got idiots putting trackers on feral cats… but they aren’t desexing them before re-releasing them. Stupid policies of paying Aborigines, as a bounty, to kill them. You see the dead cats… they are camp cats, not ferals. And I’m not into animals being bashed over the head…
The rabbit population was seen off by the Myxomatosis virus – farmers had issues – but they were a food source to the predators.
I think its about organised, paid marksmen who work their way through national parks and rural groups organised to work their way through… humane, accurate, and jobs for people. Bush Heritage and I think WWF (?) are doing the thing of buying land and fencing it off. I think that’s a good idea just to prevent extinction.
Rats need cats. I’m very much for TNR in urban areas, and farmers HAVE to desex their barn cats.
But all the talk, all the cat hatred indulged… there’s zero campaign, which I think is an excellent solution, to encourage possums and koalas in the suburbs. The well-to-do like to phone the council to come and take away the brushtail possum/s who have set up house in their eaves. That’s an encouraged, sanctioned policy. Outrageous. We seem to have a bat plague that doesn’t get much attention. I’ve witnessed them seeing off ringtail possums. So its a hot mess of wankery and virtue signalling… Roadkill for natives… whoosh. Really, really bad. You drive interstate, and sometimes its just the killing fields. Sometimes you can see that the driver has swerved to kill the little marsupial.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 8:23 am

Climate change catastrophe has been predicted all of my life, it has yet to occur from the prediction of the ice caps disappearing to whole continents being flooded.
Nothing , nada , zilch as they say.
Not one computer model used by the AGW scientists has proven correct in its forecasts for the future.
We are now told by the same people that we have eleven years to save the planet.
Where is the scientific foundation for this , why not six years or fourteen years ?
It amazes me that anyone believes any of this stuff when it has patently been proven beyond all doubt that it is false, the history of global catastrophe prediction has been proven 100% wrong.
We could be wiped out by an asteroid tomorrow, the poles could flip, we could have an enormous volcano eruption such as Yellowstone Park which is bubbling away right now. These things are life destroyers, life has in the distant past been all but wiped out by natural disaster.
We need to enjoy the planet whilst we can, enjoy the fruits of our labours. Yes, be efficient and don’t pollute needlessly . History proves that all species become extinct sooner or later by natural disasters.
To extinct ourselves is utter madness.

Claire D

8th October 2019 at 9:07 am

I’m with you Jerry. I would add though to efficiency and avoiding pollution, that there is plenty we can be doing to help and cherish our biodiversity, rewilding, within reason, seems like a very positive step forward.

Steve Walsh

8th October 2019 at 7:52 am

C’mon, I think you secretly like them.

Jo Deller

8th October 2019 at 7:23 am

Really well written as usual, Brendan, been sharing this article everywhere.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 6:28 am

I’ll add, you can see that the mainstream GWers are relying on the “deniers” to pull this cult back into line. Then, when greater society is glad to not be at the mercy of XR, that will be a very nice opening for their own “moderate” idea to be waved through. Anything but the death cult, right?

A Game

8th October 2019 at 5:47 am

Those arguing about the need for planetary care have to separate that belief from what these people are doing.
I read a great article… earlier this year, last year?, about frogs being wiped out in their millions. But only certain frogs. Well, some scientists went to work on it… they hit a brick wall when they found that a particular fungus was the cause. No no, its global warming killing off the frogs. Ten years in the wilderness, no funding, no platform, no university hiring them… and they have proven their theory beyond doubt. Its a fungus. Some frogs have a natural resistance to it, those dying out, don’t. Sweet FA to do with global warming.
So these zealots are causing unknown amounts of damage with their blinkered, narrow mindedness.
Everyone seems to agree… nature needs some help with so many of us with our toys and modernity… but comment after comment is showing all the different causes for different problems, and fundamentally, there is more to fear from a cooling planet, not a warming one.
So these people are the enemy. For anyone who cares about the planet, as well as someone who just wants to get to work.

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 6:17 am

Actually, A , and we’ve agreed in other discussions, the chytrid fungi-there are 2 strains- have travelled across the world as hitch hikers, much like other nasties, and have devastated many amphibians in many countries.

https://www.froglife.org/what-we-do/disease-chytrid/

See above; here in the UK, but not a pandemic as yet.

You make the point that we’ve all been raising different threats , not just climate change, but that’s the whole idea: many of us are worried and we think that matters should not be ignored and that no, we do not want the likes of ER to grab the high ground and win the propaganda battle.

How do you Aussies feel about the Big Dry and mass migration ?

A Game

8th October 2019 at 12:14 pm

Oh, definitely a global prob, not Australian-centric. I’m positive, its a husband and wife team who have been the main researchers/drivers… one of them was American or Canadian… I’ve gotta start keeping articles… seriously… And only now can they try and do the work of how to tackle it, ten years behind. Everything is being drowned out by the CO2 “emergency”. And like what you asked me about mass immigration… the same people in XR would be proponents of mass immigration. Its been a frustrating 20 years… hasn’t it?

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 1:10 pm

Reply to A GAME- yes, you’re right again. They’re the Open Borders advocates- bonkers!

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 7:43 am

Interesting about the frogs.
As you say a warmer planet is far better than a cooler planet. Both in terms of health and of course the pocket.

cliff resnick

7th October 2019 at 11:27 pm

Extinction Rebellion what a wonderful club of misfits and nuttier than thow nutts

Brendan Jarvis

7th October 2019 at 10:22 pm

The thing is, Brendan, is that many people are already suffering and dieing because of climate change. And while I’m not a fan of XR’s tactics, at least they are standing up for something. You? You’re moaning about ‘the left’ as you always do. What do you propose we do about climate change? That’s a genuine question btw. What do you stand FOR? Its easy to stand on the sidelines and sneer.

mike Freeman

7th October 2019 at 11:14 pm

nobody is suffering or dying from climate change, wbat rubbish.if you mean ‘extreme weather’….even the IPCC says they cannot point the finger.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 6:20 pm

Mike Freeman
According to some ER nut on Talk Radio two hundred and fifty people have died because of drought in the UK in the last year …Jeez !

Sylvia D

7th October 2019 at 11:44 pm

Did widdle Gret Gret tell you ‘people are dying’ from climate change? First, people have ALWAYS died from ‘climate change’. Do you think the Earth at some stage was a ‘safe space’ before we mucked it up? When was this time? Can you give us a date? Second, a lot FEWER are dying than previously!!! As CO2 has gone up, life expectancy and crop yields have gone UP and death from natural disasters has gone DOWN . Why do so few people bother to check any facts?

https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters

Anna Bolick

8th October 2019 at 5:50 pm

The number of deaths has gone down, but the number of disasters causing them has risen dramatically.

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 10:28 pm

@Anna Bolick

If CO2/global warming is the cause, why have disasters gone DOWN since 2000? Also, confounding factors like levels of reporting (changes in communication, definitions) from early century to present need to be accounted for. As the world population has gone up enormously over a century, any disaster is going to affect a lot more people. Why have deaths decreased so dramatically? Additionally, the IPCC reports NO INCREASE IN EXTREME WEATHER. If extreme weather didn’t increase as predicted with higher temperatures and higher CO2 levels, please explain the rational basis for claiming that the OPPOSITE will occur in the future? Normally future predictions are based on patterns we see in the past. Hurricanes have DECREASED in both number and intensity.

https://twitter.com/RogerPielkeJr/status/1049109464035414017

https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 12:03 am

You are right it is easy to stand on the sidelines and sneer. It shows the intellectual poverty of someone who does that.

Whatever their opinions about climate change might be they are entitled to express them. If you disagree with their opinions then either dismiss them as not worthy of your time or present contrary opinions based on genuine evidence.

Obviously Brendan and many of his supporters in this thread do not value their own time very much because they choose to respond to the protesters. They do not, however, respond with counter arguments but with derision and personal insults about their ‘class’. This says more about the insecurities that they have about their own ‘class’. In fact they take such an opportunity to air their own resentment that they have about class distinctions.

The article is not about climate change but about ridiculing those with whom you disagree and voicing your insecurity about the class you think you belong to.

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 12:44 am

Not at all. These people deserve to be sneered at not least because usually they consider themselves too smart for religion and think it’s their duty to sneer at Christians. They deserve to be sneered at because they throw around the word ‘science’ when in fact their beliefs are UNSCIENTIFIC. if they would only bother to engage their brain, reason through the proposition, and check the facts. They are demanding RADICAL changes of all of us, because they are too lazy and too self-congratulatory to consider they might be wrong. They can protest, but they shouldn’t be stopping other people going about their business. We sneer at their HYPOCRISY too, given they are the people with the largest ‘carbon footprints’ on earth. They’re imbeciles, hypocrites and dangerous. They need to grow up, grow a brain, and develop some self-awareness.

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 12:45 am

Well said. Quite agree.

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 1:13 am

So let’s all degenerate into a sneering war – that will further the cause of humanity.

If their beliefs are unscientific then ignore them. Why do you waste your time on them when you could be better spending it dealing with real issues which are scientific?

They are entitled to demand what they like but unless they have some power to make things change it is irrelevant what they demand.

Hypocrisy is not against the law. Who has never been hypocritical in their life?

“They’re imbeciles, hypocrites and dangerous. They need to grow up, grow a brain, and develop some self-awareness.” Do you have any rational arguments or just insults and derision?

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 4:53 am

Your naivete is touching. They DO have power. They have billionaires pulling their strings. The more people who jump on board sways votes in dangerous ways. What right do they have to interfere with people going about their day? To spray buildings with red paint? And worse, to terrify children with unscientific nonsense. This a poisonous cult that is being spread by misinformed deluded adults. What annoys me is people are unaware of the TRILLIONS that have been spent, and where that money is ending up! So yes, it does matter what they ‘believe’ because their stupidity threatens to derail our economies, give power to nefarious interests, ruin the next generation’s mental health and divert funds from worthy scientific research and environmental and social programs.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-money-trail/5690209

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 5:01 am

Isn’t Big Al meant to be AGAINST fossil fuels?

https://t.co/4S4kHWD74S

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 5:41 am

“Your naivete is touching.” There is no need to be so condescending.

Are they dangerous because they inconvenience people with their protests? All protests cause someone inconvenience. Do you get as angry about all other protests? Or only those you do not support.

Are they dangerous because of their vandalism?

Children get terrorised by many things including the irrational aggression of adults who do not know how to oppose a movement without aggression.

If money is being spent on these people then you should talk to those spending the money. They are free to obtain money from those who support them as is everyone with a cause. If you don’t agree with how others spend their money then you should address them rather than their recipients.

You cannot prove that they will derail our economies, nor give power to nefarious interests, nor affect the next generation’s mental health. They are all claims made without any ‘scientific’ basis. They are just as hysterical as the claims that you fear.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 7:44 am

Its so funny. Butt hurt about the middle classes copping a serve for their foibles and vanities and entitlement, outrageous! A website with a track record of articles that DO talk about better options, better policies… nope, that doesn’t exist, anymore, that’s an inconvenient truth. (Lol.)
XR must be indulged, may not be sneered at… their hearts, are in the right place. Bless.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 7:45 am

A Hare
Give us your scientific arguments please ?

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 8:27 am

J Owen
Why?

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 9:31 am

Tim Hare
C’mon give us your science instead of sneering !
Tell us why the computer models have never been right. Tell us why they predict eleven years and not six or fourteen years, give us your science behind this ?
Why is antarctic growing in ice mass, why is New York still visible ? Why do we still have snow in the UK when the warmists told us five years ago we would never see it again ?
You know fulwell the track record of the AGW zealots is woeful .. would you put your money on any of their predictions ?

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 9:33 am

Tim Hare
I missed your little post.
I asked you to give me your science, you answered ‘why’. You lose.

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 12:38 pm

“because they choose to respond to the protesters.”

You seriously believe that XR is looking to engage in reasoned debate? Placard waving doesn’t say ‘come and discuss this with me’.

Sylvia D

12th October 2019 at 11:57 am

@Tim Hare

I have presented plenty of contrary evidence. Read the links. There is NO basis for their claims. They are a death cult and you defending them just proves why they are dangerous. It only takes a critical mass of stupid people for things to spiral out of control.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 8:27 am

‘What do you propose we do about climate change ?’
Nothing, except add more CO2 into the atmosphere, this will green the planet and provide more oxygen.

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 9:07 am

Are you suggesting that was my question?

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 11:42 am

Tim Hare
C’mon share your science ?.. it’s funny how reading your posts that you refuse to discuss scientific data to prove that CO2 is going to kill us all !

David Murray

8th October 2019 at 11:59 am

But they are standing up for chaos, for the loss of millions of jobs and the denial of hope for the poor. They are beyond foolish for they imagine fantastic unheard of properties for the molecule that allows us brief life and they propose disastrous remedies for a problem that does not exist.

Mark C

8th October 2019 at 6:10 pm

“The thing is, Brendan, is that many people are already suffering and dieing because of climate change.”

Really? Perhaps you can name someone who has died of climate change then? I mean out of all those people, it shouldn’t be hard, eh?

Jonathan Yonge

7th October 2019 at 9:47 pm

What does this tel us ?
I think people are looking for some kind of adversity to fight against.
Nothing much is going wrong in the world -so we need a prpblem, any problem will do.
What happened to all the wars and famines of the 70’s-80’s ?
All indentity and climate now.

Its OK…
there will be a actual problem real soon now, but these people are not the answer

A Game

8th October 2019 at 7:36 am

You are definitely onto something. I just watched a Douglas Murray/Julia Hartley-Brewer chat… Douglas quotes an Australian… didn’t catch the name… who came up with “Georgian Retirement Syndrome”, I think. (I didn’t think I’d be quoting this, so, you know, listening, doing a to do list, paying some bills, etc…but its a great chat on youtube, worth watching.)
St George makes his breakthrough killing a mightydragon. Then, to maintain his reputation and status, he keeps fighting, until the dragons get smaller and smaller, until he’s found slashing his sword through thin air.
Today’s activists, as he says, would have loved to have been at Stonewall, would loved to have been with MLK on his march, but the major dragons have been slain. So they are literally swinging, now, at thin air, determined to have their own activism and create/mark society by their great change.
Your idea completely squares with his observation, and the Australian.
The age of these protesters suggests they are partly fighting against their own irrelevance. They would be the folk being sneered at as too old to matter in a modern democracy. (Though as Remainers, not them, other old people, of course. But they’d be hearing it.) They also long for the days of their youth when they felt they were part of something big and good. So why not create the cause, if none truly exists?

Pedro Dias

7th October 2019 at 8:51 pm

This article is a breath of fresh air…

Patrick Morris

7th October 2019 at 8:04 pm

Nothing worse than a do good ,wannabe middle class person who seems to be english. Possess a smugness that wouldn’t be tolerated anywhere else in the world. Seems really believe they are the saviours of everything that ever existed.

scott d

7th October 2019 at 7:02 pm

The masses here have missed the real reason thats AGENDA 2030 and socialism, then COMMUNISM

Dan Under

7th October 2019 at 8:39 pm

The collective Trojan horses of the UN & UNEP, climatism, safeism, healthism. We know best for your own good. Experience social injustice, division, exclusion inequality, if you disagree. The 2030 euphemistically termed “Transformational” Agenda (“SDG’s”) and the UN New Urban Agenda, Habitat III, locked and loaded, launched by none other than Jorge Bergoglio at the 70th UN General Assembly in September 2015. Little wonder the youth today believe the World will end in eleven years. They ain’t see nothin’ yet.

James Knight

7th October 2019 at 6:31 pm

The Nazis always insisted they were not about hatred, what they were doing was the application of science.

Eco-toffs and radical greens liken human beings to locusts, Nazi’s did the same according to what “science” told them were inferior types.

XR are the last bastion of anti-Enlightenment thinking since the fall of the IS caliphate.

Gerry Mohan

7th October 2019 at 6:16 pm

I guess this is science not hysteria:
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (“Doomsday Clock”)
https://thebulletin.org/2019/08/there-is-no-plan-b-for-dealing-with-the-climate-crisis/

Jane 70

7th October 2019 at 10:01 pm

A salutary study, which needs more attention.

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 12:15 am

The guy is lying. THERE IS NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR HIS CLAIMS. It is ALL based on models, which are merely scientific ‘opinions’. The claims around CO2 REMAIN AN UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS. The IPCC of which he was a lead author, itself points to the enormous uncertainty. The most the most recent report can claim is that “more than 50% of the warming is extremely likely” to be caused by us!!! Does that sound very scientific to you??? What is it: 50.05%? 51%? 64%? 90%? In addition, the report and NUMEROUS peer reviewed papers point to the HUGE uncertainty in models which have not improved over time. NASA itself acknowledges the main driver of climate is the SUN and more and more papers are showing the warming can be explained by solar activity. The IPCC has failed to accurately account for solar, clouds, oceanic cycles, being FIXATED for political reasons on a minor, beneficial gas that is PLANT FOOD, that is greening the planet. They cannot accommodate in the models the influence of water vapour, which is the MAIN GHG, and CLOUDS, which have a HUGE role in global temperature, leading to guesstimates which are 100 times less accurate than they should be. IPCC:

“UNCERTAINTIES in forcings & in climate models’ temperature responses to individual forcings, & DIFFICULTY IN DISTINGUISHING the patterns of T response due to GHGs & other anthropogenic forcings PREVENT A MORE PRECISE QUANTIFICATION of T changes attributable to GHG”

The public is being lied to about the ‘science’. 500 scientists just wrote to the UN saying THERE IS NO CLIMATE CRISIS.

https://notrickszone.com/2019/09/24/no-climate-emergency-mit-climate-expert-500-prominent-global-scientists-write-in-letter-to-un/

And this Japanese scientist similarly is blowing the whistle, joining the growing number of eminent scientists speaking out against the biggest scam in history.

https://electroverse.net/another-climate-scientist-with-impeccable-credentials-breaks-ranks/

In addition the head of the World Meteorological Organization has called out the hysteria, saying the discussion has gone of the rails, and it has become a CULT.

https://www.thegwpf.com/wmo-boss-says-climate-discussion-has-gone-off-the-rails/

If only people had heard of a little thing called the INTERNET and bothered to CHECK THINGS!

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 4:58 am

THERE IS NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR HIS CLAIMS. It is ALL based on models, which are merely scientific ‘opinions’. The claims around CO2 REMAIN AN UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS. The IPCC of which he was a lead author, itself points to the enormous uncertainty. The most the most recent report can claim is that “more than 50% of the warming is extremely likely” to be caused by us!!! Does that sound very scientific to you??? What is it: 50.05%? 51%? 64%? 90%? In addition, the report and NUMEROUS peer reviewed papers point to the HUGE uncertainty in models which have not improved over time. NASA itself acknowledges the main driver of climate is the SUN and more and more papers are showing the warming can be explained by solar activity. The IPCC has failed to accurately account for solar, clouds, oceanic cycles, being FIXATED for political reasons on a minor, beneficial gas that is PLANT FOOD, that is greening the planet. They cannot accommodate in the models the influence of water vapour, which is the MAIN GHG, and CLOUDS, which have a HUGE role in global temperature, leading to guesstimates which are 100 times less accurate than they should be. IPCC:

“UNCERTAINTIES in forcings & in climate models’ temperature responses to individual forcings, & DIFFICULTY IN DISTINGUISHING the patterns of T response due to GHGs & other anthropogenic forcings PREVENT A MORE PRECISE QUANTIFICATION of T changes attributable to GHG”

The public is being lied to about the ‘science’. 500 scientists just wrote to the UN saying THERE IS NO CLIMATE CRISIS.

https://notrickszone.com/2019/09/24/no-climate-emergency-mit-climate-expert-500-prominent-global-scientists-write-in-letter-to-un/

And this Japanese scientist similarly is blowing the whistle, joining the growing number of eminent scientists speaking out against the biggest scam in history.

https://electroverse.net/another-climate-scientist-with-impeccable-credentials-breaks-ranks/

In addition the head of the World Meteorological Organization has called out the hysteria, saying the discussion has gone of the rails, and it has become a CULT.

https://www.thegwpf.com/wmo-boss-says-climate-discussion-has-gone-off-the-rails/

Sylvia D

12th October 2019 at 12:43 pm

@Jane70

“Now I’ve tried to emphasise time and again, that I’m not a cultist, I don’t agree with the antics of ER, nor Greta’s Children’s Crusade, and I do believe that there is hysteria on either side of this debate.”

Yet you approved of and defended a hysterical study which uses EXACTLY the same language as ER!!! Then you wonder why I am critical?

“To halt global warming the emission of carbon dioxide…needs to be brought all the way to ZERO…..”!!!

Note: there is NO empirical evidence that a) we caused the warming or b) could stop it if it continues. CO2 fluctuates naturally. Should we also ‘decarbonise’ the 97% of CO2 that is natural??? ‘Decarbonize’ is highly unscientific and sinister language. All living things are made of carbon. The increase in CO2 has seen crop yields increase, and greened the planet. What sort of a scientist would see this as a bad thing? One with an agenda.

“The longer it takes to do so, the hotter the world will get”

Evidence??? That is NOT what many solar physicists are saying. Even NASA says we face the weakest solar cycle in 200 years, starting about now. Have you bothered to check all the cold records currently being broken around the world, all the snow falling way earlier than normal?) Last year saw northern hemisphere snow total literally off the scale there was so much snow. What do you propose should keep people warm when pyschos like the author of this ‘scientific paper’ want to ‘decarbonise’ the world? Solar panels? Not so good under ice.

He goes on to say: “Lack of progress has created justifiable panic…With regard to the climate crisis (which 500 scientists, and the head of the WMO just stated DOES NOT EXIST), yes, it’s time to panic. We are in deep trouble”.

He then goes on to spew more totally unscientific garbage. THIS is the state of science! It’s a disgrace.

Then you bizarrely conflate my deep contempt for ‘climate science’ and ER with not caring about the environment, and wanting to defend the status quo!! Actual environmentalists like me are disgusted by the co-option/destruction of environmental science by climate zealots. It is NOT green to cut down a forest for biofuels or to plaster the land with bird chopping turbines, and highly toxic solar panels that release a gas that is THOUSANDS of times more ‘heat trapping’ than CO2, which is PLANT FOOD, and perfectly natural. All this ‘green’ tech requires VAST AMOUNTS OF MINING and land because of its low energy density. All to replace what? CO2, the basis of all life, the stuff you are currently exhaling, which is LOW in geological terms? The 130ppm by which CO2 has increased, had it gone the other way, would have meant the end of ALL LIFE ON EARTH. We have wasted thirty years and trillions of dollars that could have been spent coming up with solutions for ACTUAL problems.

You and I are not enemies; but ignorance & a lack of critical thinking is the enemy of all of us.

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 12:20 am

See my reply to Jane, below your comment. Yes, it is hysteria. It is NOT science. The guy clearly has an agenda.

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 12:42 am

The man who wrote is a professor of physics, and he provides details on the carbon cycle, which I had to read twice to absorb.
He’s pointing out the optimistic reliance on albedo modification which has some rather alarming consequences.
Now I’m no expert, but I’d hesitate to dismiss the entirely rational and detailed analysis of a physicist as being unscientific.
This not cultism, neither is it emblematic of religious mania.
BTW, I’m an atheist.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 7:20 am

Jane 70:
You’ve got your work cut out with this one.

Let’s see. You’re trying to show that there are sensible scientists who disagree with the mainstream, but in their disagreeance, they believe we should still be desirous of environmental awareness and practical care. The sane people, in other words.
Lets see. You have Deniers. The shift in name change from Global Warming to Climate Change was to outfox deniers. How can you deny that climate changes? It changes every day. But we’ll go with Deniers believing that man is having no impact on the environment so what is there to fix.

But there is another class that doesn’t get much attention: They aren’t deniers, but are called deniers, but they just don’t care that the planet may be suffering from our activities, and just don’t want a thing changed.

That everything you are posting, to encourage the open mindedness that to not go along with XR and the mainstream doesn’t mean you don’t acknowledge there is a problem… its being written off as “an agenda”.
So this one is coming from the perspective that there isn’t any problem whatsoever and we should continue to live as we have, without pause, and there’s not a thing to be said about anything – biodiversity, land care/management/ocean/marine care… its all part of the same lie.
Continue your good work. True environmental care needs to push through and be heard.

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 11:55 am

OK you think the guy is lying,complete with unnecessary block capitals. Let’s say that the jury is out, and let’s say that modelling is also used by cosmologists, astrophysicists and others.
Obviously the hypotheses need to be tested and verified by experimental evidence as in other branches of science.

Maybe we’re witnessing weather wobbles, rather than actual runaway climate change, and maybe the Green Deals which we’re promised will affect the poor most heavily and won’t supply the get-out-of-jail-free card which we are promised by our movers and shakers.

What I would say, and I’ve attempted to make this point previously, is that human domination of the world is now so widespread and so reliant on increasingly complex technology, that it renders us vulnerable to unforeseen disruptions : imagine if water shortages do become more widespread; if electricity supplies were to become disrupted across a wide area;if nuclear reactors were found to be unsafe in ways hitherto unsuspected; if the continued storage of
nuclear fuels were to become unreliable and unsafe. Who knows?

Mass migration, driven by rapid population growth, conflict, food , water and land shortages and social disruption

Now I’ve tried to emphasise time and again, that I’m not a cultist, I don’t agree with the antics of ER, nor Greta’s Children’s Crusade, and I do believe that there is hysteria on either side of this debate.

My time as an Immigration Officer prompted an interest in the campaigns to reduce human population pressure and I still think that this taboo must be tackled.

Whether you are completely convinced ,as you seem to be, that we can just carry on doing business as usual,or whether like me, you worry about the plight of many parts of the living world, without being a posturing SJW, these us versus them contests do no one any good.

Please, if you wish to disagree, as is your right, do not sneer or suggest that I , and others like me,don’t know how to use the internet.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 11:44 am

Is that it ?

Mike Ellwood

7th October 2019 at 6:04 pm

So glad I was eating a meat-based meal when reading this. I have nothing but respect for people who refrain from meat for sensible reasons, be they diet, health-related, or conscientious, but not the pseudo-science peddled by this clown circus. I’ve been semi-vegetarian at certain periods of my life – when the BSE scare was at its height, it seemed more than prudent to avoid beef, for example – I’ve also seen animals slaughtered, and its not a pretty sight.

But I don’t believe animal husbandry is any more harmful than any other form of agriculture, when done properly. All forms of agriculture have the potential to harm the environment, but that’s not a reason to stop doing it. Unless of course the object is to eliminate the human race.

Brian Smith

7th October 2019 at 5:24 pm

Brendan forgot the frogs.

Jane 70

7th October 2019 at 4:25 pm

wolfgang haas

7th October 2019 at 3:02 pm

Sorry, but XR is not a religious cult. Contrary to religious belief it is based on science and the overwhelming global consensus of the vast majority of reputable climatologists and other top-notch experts. I can understand that this author and most people still have a problem accepting the truth, because it deeply hurts and requires a fundamental departure from our habitual ways of conspicuous consumption.

Neil McCaughan

7th October 2019 at 7:24 pm

If these simpering dolts cared about the environment they would be addressing their concerns to the coal burning programmes of China, India, and Deutschland Über Alles. But they are not. This is about spoilt brats damaging the living standards of working people in Britain, not the chemistry of the atmosphere.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 8:06 pm

Where is the science of XR not one single whacko interviewed on tv offers one shred of evidence ?

mike Freeman

7th October 2019 at 11:18 pm

absolute tosh……it started as a fabricated hickeystick and has got more stupid ever since. No climate scientist of repute sticks with the IPCC anymore. Its a joke.
They just cant afford to be too public about it….

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 1:17 pm

It sounds, Wolfgang, like you not only drank the Kool-Aid, but have your own home-brew kit.

Mike Watson

7th October 2019 at 2:18 pm

The problem with the Global Warming of Doom / Climate Change of Doom doomsday cult is that it is heavily funded by governments. Other doomsday cults are funded by their own members. It’s time for governments to stop funding doomsday climate “scientists” and their fake “green” energy cronies. They have enough cult members to fund themselves.

Lemmy Lives

7th October 2019 at 2:13 pm

They never seem too keen to drag Hells Angels off their Harley’s and complain about emissions.

Tim Hare

7th October 2019 at 1:42 pm

“This is an upper-middle-class death cult and we should ridicule it out of existence.”

Let’s not treat it like civilised human beings and either disagree with it or totally ignore it. Let’s also play childish games and ridicule it. Let’s denigrate its proponents for the class to which they may or may not belong.

Spiked is becoming as shrill as those whom it seeks to change.

Stephen J

7th October 2019 at 3:29 pm

Well it is a dumb idea, sir!

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 12:04 am

It is even dumber to give dumb ideas publicity.

Thomas Swift

7th October 2019 at 4:03 pm

Yes, because nothing says “I’ve got science on my side” like dressing up in tatty clown costumes and gluing yourself to the pavement.

Mike Ellwood

7th October 2019 at 5:54 pm

Or failing to control a fire-hose.

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 12:06 am

If they don’t have science on their side then explain to us why not. Any clown can ridicule other human beings.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 6:59 am

T Hare:
What cave have you been living in? Is this website your only adventure away from the MSM? The whole time people have been arguing for why the CO2 obsession is wrong… but of course those going against the main stream have been fragmented and silenced by sackings and public discrediting. You have to dig deeper.
There are so many different angles, so many different sciences, trying to be heard for why GW is flawed. There are those who go after the “science” of historical data. There are those who go after the nucleus of what the problem is – CO2. There are those who argue for what more pressing concerns are for the planet than CO2… on and on and on. People here have commented on historic CO2 levels, historic weather patterns and how it just doesn’t gel with the message we are getting bashed with.
I’ve touched on it a while ago. The bloke who led the cavalcade through Northern Queensland against the Adani Coalmine, is the bloke who now has to fight windfarms in Tasmania, which are turning the birdlife into chicken burgers. He can see biodiversity is being compromised. (And happily in shutting down the mining of the “cleaner” black coal in Qld, brown, filthy coal will be bought from elsewhere… layers, upon layers to all of it.)
People are being misled and lied to, because, like anything, its just easier to signal virtue than actually being virtuous. So join the pile up and happily stay blindfolded. Cause that is what has happened.

Tim Hare

8th October 2019 at 9:11 am

A Game
I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to the person resorting to ridicule.

William Zappa

13th October 2019 at 11:06 pm

Tim, I would give up trying to prove anything to this bunch. Brendan’s voice is as shrill and hysterical as he claims for ER. As are the vast majority of the people who have responded. It seems impossible for sceptics to respond without frequently being nasty.

I’m fed up with hearing that if I’m concerned about climate change, I want the ‘third world’ to remain the third world so I can keep up my lifestyle. Bollocks! What I want is for my concerns to be heard, for governments to give them equal value to the interests of lobbyists and big business. I think also, that the Climate debate looses sight of what is actually observable. Some people see the destruction of the natural world with a keener eye that others. They are appalled at the very idea that elephants, tigers, lions, giraffes, orangutans, frogs, sharks, (the list goes on) appalled and distressed that these things can become extinct, that we can let bees be destroyed. I wont go on, but you get what I mean, I trust.

Anyway, this sort of diatribe from Mr O’Neill really lowers the value of coming to this site.

Jane 70

7th October 2019 at 1:27 pm

https://cosmosmagazine.com/earth-sciences/global-groundwater-extraction-a-ticking-time-bomb

https://cosmosmagazine.com/earth-sciences/to-better-manage-groundwater-first-understand-it

See above ,from Cosmos, a remarkably sensible and well balanced online magazine from Australia.

And here, a quote from ‘Climate Change and British Wildlife’ by Professor Trevor Beebee; he’s a biologist at Sussex University and an expert on amphibian genetics and conservation:

‘Central to extricating ourselves from our dilemma will be recognising the role that human numbers play in it. The UK is now home to far more people than are sustainable by a balanced and benign environment, and that is the fundamental reason why we haven’t got one. (Population growth) remains largely a taboo subject despite the best efforts of lobbyists ……..a planet now aching under the stress of overwhelming human numbers…’

Now I’m no fan of the posturing poseurs of ER, nor Greta’s latter day Children’s Crusade, but the point I shall make-and yes, you can all dismiss me as a miserabilist-a favourite Spiked epithet-is that if we don’t discuss the pressures which we, all of us, are placing on the world, we hand a propaganda victory to the likes of ER and their penchant for superglueing themselves to various public places.

(A family member who works in the City recently saw them trying to do a sticky protest at the main entrance to her headquarters; the staff sneakily used a side entrance!)

I think that experts like Prof Beebee and the researchers who contribute to Cosmos are trying to draw our attention to the consequences of our domination of the world and that we can, and should, be mature enough to acknowledge the need for change without alienating the general public and without seeming to be the proponents of a new religious mania.

Life could continue to be rewarding for us humans, but the poor old plants, animals, insects, birds, reptiles, amphibians , cetaceans, fish and others need some space and safety as well.

Over the years, as an amateur nature watcher, I’ve seen the changes and the steady loss of once widespread creatures of every kind.

We should take the message away from the ER nutters and their silly annoying pious antics .

Jane 70

7th October 2019 at 4:00 pm

Jane 70

7th October 2019 at 4:12 pm

“International institutions and governments, however, must also exert their influence to bring about a new mindset—an approach that recognizes and implements a holistic approach toward our own survival, which involves living within the bounds of the natural world“

Taken from the IMF article linked above: fascinating, as this plea was written by economists, not eco warriors.

The times they are a changin’.

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 12:19 am

You keep posting people who clearly have an agenda, and who are part of the cult. Where is the EVIDENCE for their claims?

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/2818/Crichton-Environmentalism-is-a-religion.aspx

Jane 70

8th October 2019 at 12:32 am

I hardly think that IMF economists, Australian hydrologists, a retired professor of amphibian ecology and various population campaigners could be described as a cult.
Cults hold no attraction for me, I can assure you.
Read the links.
The IMF article came as a complete surprise to me, and you’ll note that as I’m not a fan of ER’s stunts, I attempted to make the valid point that in dismissing any and all concerns about the environment, we hand a propaganda victory to the likes of ER.
Several other comments here have attempted to make a similar plea for reasoned discussion.

SNJ Morgan

7th October 2019 at 1:21 pm

WE have a chapter or two of these zombies in Australia, naturally (actually, I think the virus may have even erupted from – sorry guys).

The government is moving to stop them claiming the dole while they are out on these jaunts instead of looking work. Many of them are disrupting life in Brisbane QLD but hail from leafy suburbs in Sydney or Byron Bay (the hippy town).

Of course the younger ones are still spoon fed by adoring mommy and daddy at home, but at least taxpayers will no longer be contributing to their useless little lives.

SNJ Morgan

7th October 2019 at 1:23 pm

** They’re in Brisbane because they’re trying to stop a new coal mine from going ahead.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 1:52 pm

As you appear to be gradually cooking yourselves in Australia, I would have thought you might have been a tad more concerned with the evidence. Apparently not.

Forlorn Dream

7th October 2019 at 12:55 pm

‘Everyone should stop using fossil fuels and instead force the government to build more wind farms on daddys estate. We have world touring holidays, servants and mansions to pay for, daddy needs more taxpayer money to fund our lifestyle.’
They would probably have more success if they just told the truth, lol.

Hugh Bryant

7th October 2019 at 12:20 pm

People need to be reminded from time to time that humans saved all species from extinction by preventing atmospheric CO2 from falling to the level (180 ppm) at which plant life is not viable. The pre-industrial level of 250 ppm was dangerously close to this minimum.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 1:49 pm

Atmospheric CO2 is at higher levels than anything seen in the last 800,000 years, long before homo sapiens emerged, so I think the plants were doing okay without us, surprise, surprise.

Colin Cronin

7th October 2019 at 2:54 pm

Apparently CO2 was at between 2000ppm and 8000ppm 450 millions years ago as opposed to under 400ppm now and yet it was an ice age so how can CO2 be the driver of global warming?

James Knight

7th October 2019 at 6:36 pm

The planet has literally got more green thanks to increases in CO2. In addition more people die from cold than extreme heat.

Garreth Byrne

7th October 2019 at 12:04 pm

Brendan O’Neill shows a certain theological insight into the attitude and liturgical practice of Extinction Rebellion. It is an error to deify Nature, Gaia or whatever natural aspects you adore. Some good nature poetry has been composed by pantheists, though. Poetry inspired by secular of divine Apocalypse has also passed into the western literary canon. But I prefer to leave alarmist ideology to the world of literature.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 11:47 am

What an amazing echo-chamber Spiked has become. No alternative voices are allowed, in the articles or in the comments. Its stance on climate change is one widely shared by evangelical nutters, non-scientists and mad conspiracy theorists. Free speech, huh.

Jane 70

7th October 2019 at 3:37 pm

I’ve posted one above Eric;all is not lost.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 7:23 pm

Cheers

A Game

8th October 2019 at 6:06 am

E Blair:
What you are seeing is a similarity of view re XR, but for different reasons. That you have conflated XR and nutter GWs as the only way to care about the environment, is why you feel so battered. You are arguing for the status quo, which tells as supportive of XR. Do you separate XR from the mainstream consensus? And there is an argument that XR aren’t even really representing “the science”. Has a… Brian Cox committed to the world ending by 2025? Does he want to see the shutting down of all modernity, right now? That would mean no television. Can’t do a show without the kit, the electricity, without the manpower. The article is about XR and what their take is about what should be done. I don’t think they represent anyone but themselves and their… death cult mentality.
The media and mainstream activists, though, going by their own tactics towards anyone who disagrees with them, is terrified to separate their own cause from XR. They’ve helped feed the beast and are now cornered by it as much as anyone else. They’d hate to lose followers on twitter.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 4:04 pm

Eric Blair
‘No alternative comments are allowed in the comments or articles’ utter bunkum, you’re here aren’t you ?

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 7:26 pm

Very little dissent fom the party line as far as I can see. Possible but not welcome.

Jerry Owen

8th October 2019 at 7:53 am

Eric Blair
‘Very little dissent’ .. yes, because we know what is correct.
Oh and your comments are allowed aren’t they .. aren’t they ?

Thomas Swift

7th October 2019 at 4:20 pm

“No alternative voices are allowed”. Really??!! Then how come you’re here?

Phil Ford

7th October 2019 at 11:34 am

Brendan doesn’t say it, but XR pushes all the familiar resentful, ungrateful communist complaints they’ve never been ready to give up on, despite several catastrophes and a pile of unburied bodies nobody talks about. XR are communists – they seek the usual ‘transformation’ of society; they dream of socially engineering an agrarian, egalitarian utopia. Sound familiar? It should be – and it would be if your history professor had been prepared to teach you any real 20th-century history, instead of consciously stepping around those piles of dead bodies left in communism’s wake all around the world.

How did the 20th-century’s most murderous ideology get ‘cool’ again with the kids? Were they wilfully miseducated? Are they being lied to? Are they being told anything at all of socialism’s actual, well-documented, forensically evidenced past? Why is it still okay to publicly declare oneself a socialist – a communist, even – and to fly the Hammer & Sickle and to fear no blowback, no de-platforming, no censure?

Conservative, academically-informed estimates suggest perhaps 94 million people perished around the world under various forms of 20th-century socialism. They were murdered, tortured, terrorized, brutalized, enslaved, starved, neglected and persecuted. The true figure is likely to be much higher. This is socialism’s legacy – and here it is yet again, hiding behind dress-up and face paint. Still a matter of faith, still unashamed, duplicitous and malevolent.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 5:52 pm

Couldn’t agree more, good post!

Claire D

8th October 2019 at 8:27 am

Excellent comment Phil.

Ian Davies

7th October 2019 at 10:59 am

The easy ride they are getting is going to have serious consequences. And I don’t simply refer to the ever more stupid government policies that’s seem to only listen to these demented few. I mean on a smaller more personal scale when you will be hauled out of your filthy ICE car and beaten; when your house will be vandalized for the temerity of leaving the lights on; when your shopping will be scrutinized by some numbnut and you are accosted outside the shop. Our institutions are infested with these libtard nuisances and they think it quite useful to allow this hysteria to grow so they can think up some new taxes but it is going to backfire.

Michael Lynch

7th October 2019 at 11:33 am

Thankfully, most of the population will just look on and sneer. I’d love to see them try it on with your typical Asda customer in the car park; they’d soon get short shrift. They are just a bunch of middle class, self righteous jerks who are being indulged by a bunch of middle class, self righteous jerks. This what happens when everything, including the media, is run by rich people with more money than sense.

Claire D

8th October 2019 at 8:34 am

I’m guessing they may be getting an easy ride because a General Election is on the cards and neither Johnson or Khan/Labour want to risk losing what green votes they can muster.

Neil McCaughan

7th October 2019 at 10:57 am

I would be quite happy to see them all go extinct. SJWs are an evolutionary dead end.

Jim Lawrie

7th October 2019 at 12:07 pm

They think the same of humankind and would make this manifest by sterilising the lot of us.

The first step, neutering our vote, has been taken. They are no longer constrained by such nuisances as needing our support, far less seeking it. The assumption of authority by the usurpers at Westminster and Little George St. has inspired them to new possibilities.

Hugh Bryant

7th October 2019 at 10:36 am

Even the Church of God wasn’t quite so fatuous as the Church of Stupid.

Michael Lynch

7th October 2019 at 11:34 am

Well put.

Christopher Tyson

7th October 2019 at 10:14 am

It seems that the measures that are adopted for ostensibly environmental reasons are often petty and of dubious effect. They seem more designed to annoy and teach us a lesson. You go into the supermarket and suddenly there are no bags to put your fruit and veg in. Never mind innovation, customer service or rational persuasion, it’s like the message is that it’s our fault and our problem. Leaving aside that the whole point of a supermarket is to lure you in and then get you to buy stuff you had no intention of buying, hence providing bags aplenty for us. In terms of society or worldwide policies, again we cannot be convinced that measures will not be for show or of limited effect. We have the anarchy of the market, this is detrimental in terms of wealth distribution and rational economic planning as well as environmental issues. Utopians and dystopians overlook politics. Even our anti-political centrists and liberals overlook politics. They imagine that ‘we’ can heal the world if only we could all take a good look at ourselves, take a look in the mirror and make that change (apologies to the ghost of Michael Jackson). But we are in a world of vested interests and competing interests that cannot be overridden by the spread of global consciousness or small individual changes in behaviour. If you have no children, never go anywhere, have no power to decide anything and don’t even have a bag to put your fruit and veg in, I’d like to say that your reward is waiting for you in heaven, but alas you will be lectured to and inconvenienced by people who seem to have a lot more of everything than you do and don’t even offer you the consolation of heaven.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 5:59 am

Nice summation. All common sense points to exactly what you are saying. Its control, its power, working towards nothing helpful, no consistency. Removing plastic helps our oceans, but globalisation is the slave to plastic packaging. Mixed message, and nothing to do with CO2.

James Peterson

11th October 2019 at 2:48 am

There’s no bags because they pollute the oceans and harm wildlife that’s why there’s no bag you selfish twat.

Paul Bickford

7th October 2019 at 10:02 am

Hope they go full Heavens Gate. Although the emasculation phase would require microsurgery.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 9:41 am

Yeah, but what about the science. Inconvenient to unbridled progress. Also buying things you don’t need with money you don’t have, doesn’t sound like a very lofty progressive goal to me.

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 10:39 am

The science is effectively constrained by the government money it depends on.
Science cannot be free of bias by being publicly funded.
On the contrary, by being publicly funded, it cannot avoid being politicised.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 11:05 am

Absolute rubbish. There are thousands of scientists working worldwide whose research confirms the reality, which should be obvious, that the unprecedented exploitation of finite resources to fuel your ability to buy more plastic tat you don’t need, is seriously screwing your children’s futures. Science follows the scientific method, testing hypotheses and publishing the results in peer-reviewed research. The politics of the deniers is a different beast altogether.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 11:40 am

Eric Blair
Can you give me the scientific research that prove we are ‘screwing with our kids future’ and what form this ‘screwing’ will take, how will it manifest itself ?
And which crystal ball will they be using ?
Are we talking about the scientists that told us ‘snow in the UK is a thing of the past’ some five years ago.. only to have more snow in the last few years than we have had for a while ?
The same scientists that predicted ice free caps some decades ago , only for NASA to confirm that the antarctic is growing in ice mass ?
Not one single prediction of the peer reviewed science has come to pass, because the computer models they use are wrong.
If you produce climate fear propaganda you get funding if you follow real climate science you don’t get government funding.
When it’s cold it’s called weather, when it’s warm it’s called catastrophe, how funny!
30 thousand scientists signed a petition against the Kyoto agreement some years ago, the majority of scientists do not subscribe to the theory that mankind is destroying the planet. The BBC has declared that no voices will be heard from the ‘deniers’ as the ‘science is settled’. Science is never settled, unless you are scared to discuss it.
I have a two photo’s of a brick pier taken 130 years apart from exactly the same position, the tideline shows that sea level rise over the last 130 years is approximately zero.
I like plastic tat, I long for the day when McDonalds get rid of their dreadful paper straws that disintegrate half way through your drink, give me plastic straws anyday!
Plastic.. what a fantastic invention !

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 11:44 am

“Science follows the scientific method”

There is no fixed scientific method.
Nor is true to say that peer review is an effective mechanism of quality control.
However, it would be true to say that science follows the money.
It would also be true to say that any scientist who opposes the climate cult, will be ostracised, and/or sacked. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy9MFIg98F4

Dan Under

7th October 2019 at 8:47 pm

Eric, stop the virtue signalling pecksniffian hand waving and spruik something falsifiable.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 5:40 am

E Blair:
Look up a bloke called Peter Ridd. Spoiler alert: the news isn’t so good for your POV.

Geoff Cox

7th October 2019 at 11:51 am

I agree about buying stuff with money we don’t have, but gdp is the god of all governments these days.

But on research, say, you want to try and falsify the theory of manmade climate change in the way that other scientific theories are tested. You approach a university for a phd study. They check out your background and know you are a sceptic. They stop to think. Ah, no thanks Mr Blair, we’ve had some others who have recently applied … But suppose you do bluff your way through. If/when you get some inconvenient date, the assessors of your study will put you under pressure to change your data or assumptions until you get the right answer. Because, after all, with 97% of scientists agreeing that manmade climate change is real, you must be wrong.

Good luck to anyone trying to buck this system.

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 12:46 pm

Indeed.
It is these sort of obstacles that have contributed to science producing zero major theoretical advances, in any field, since the mid-70s.

Eric Blair

7th October 2019 at 1:40 pm

But why? Why thwart scientific evidence that says we can all go back to burning carbon ad infinitum, increase our prosperity and live the good life. Whose goal is that serving unless you agree with this article that climate change science is all part of some mad death cult. A bit of Occam’s Razor seems to be applicable here. What’s most likely – that there is some vast conspiracy to stop you using plastic straws and clogging up the world’s Air bnbs or we are using up the world’s finite resources at an unsustainable rate, causing global warming, species extinction etc?

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 2:00 pm

Why would the control of funding require a vast conspiracy?
It was not a vast conspiracy that paid for Greta’s carbon fibre boat, it was George Soros.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 4:09 pm

Eric Blair
You are the fourth figure from the left dressed in red, and I claim my five pounds.

Sylvia D

8th October 2019 at 12:24 am

Jim Lawrie

7th October 2019 at 12:18 pm

Like them, you do not see science opening new possibilities. For you it is a cudgel for reinforcing ignorance.

When we harness the tidal movement in The Pentland Firth we will rob you of all your mithering.

Geoff Cox

8th October 2019 at 11:42 am

Hi again Eric – if you can follow the thread, well done!

“Why thwart scientific evidence that says we can all go back to burning carbon ad infinitum …”

Fair point. I don’t think anyone is trying to thwart any scientific evidence. “They” are just piling up study after study all saying the same thing against the old concensus of everlasting wealth creation. I’m sure you can see the group-think going on here. And group-think is much much more common because everyone is so connected. The left, in getting way ahead on the internet, now all march to the same drum. And they march more or less instantaneously. Universities are no different.

Group think drives everything from lgbt to climate change to meto to #tag whatever. Dissenting voices are shouted down and people are defunded. Things then happen at a furious pace with no pause for thought. I believe the billions being spent on the hysteria around climate change, would be better spent on habitat protection and creation. You can buy a lot of ocean or rainforest for the billions being spent on protests, action days, reports, meetings etc.

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 1:06 pm

“your ability to buy more plastic tat you don’t need, is seriously screwing your children’s futures. ”
But, since much of that plastic tat is demanded by screaming kids, they have only themselves to blame for what they inherit.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 9:35 am

… ‘I’ve never seen so many white people’…

Geoff Cox

8th October 2019 at 11:28 am

Very good!

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 9:12 am

It isn’t two weeks off work of course , it’s two weeks off college or Uni.
I don’t know about anyone else but i have yet to hear ER produce any science anywhere.
If CO2 levels fall to around 200 PPM life on earth will cease to exist , we are currently at around 440 PPM , in geological history we have been at around 2-3000 PPM with no adverse effects. We need more CO2.
If these loons get their way Extinction is what we will get.
We should all fight extinction. Let’s have a rebellion against extinction !

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 9:32 am

That will of course be two weeks off college or Uni .. at half term or the summer break. Their dedication to the cause is so selfless !

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 8:41 am

137 years after Nietzsche said ‘God is dead’, we finally have a replacement

H McLean

7th October 2019 at 8:32 am

Here in Australia some of my very comfortable, Green-voting, middle-class friends are embracing this collectivist climate cult with unbridled enthusiasm. I would love nothing more than to tell them they’re being played like a fiddle but I know from experience that voicing even marginal disapproval elicits a shrill response. I don’t want to burn these friendships just yet (our kids go to school together and are as thick as thieves) but the way this is all going who knows where it’ll lead to.

The national broadcaster (ABC) positively churns hysterical climate propaganda on a non-stop basis. I feel like the whole world has truly gone bananas and I’m stuck in a dystopian loop where previously sensible people have blindly disavowed their critical faculties.

Don’t be surprised when the zealots declare a new Year Zero and with unflinching righteousness declare the growing mountain of corpses entirely justified. I’m not joking.

Sylvia D

7th October 2019 at 11:55 pm

H, we are in the same boat. Unfortunately I can’t keep my mouth shut, so I am constantly annoying people by giving them inconvenient facts. I’m almost beyond caring who I alienate now, because the sheer stupidity, the ignorance, the laziness of people who can’t be bothered to check anything, makes me wonder whether I really want to associate with people who can’t see how dangerous this all is. As far as I’m concerned, their childish apathy and lack of critical thinking is putting everybody at risk, while the UN & their billionaire accomplices rub their hands together with glee, laughing at us. The rote responses from supposedly intelligent, educated people are an astonishing study in brainwashing. 97% of scientists, polar bears dying, ice disappearing, islands going under, the science is settled, & the conflation of warming and the claim that WE caused it via CO2. Aaaaaargh!

Claire D

8th October 2019 at 8:52 am

You are not alienating me Sylvia.

I think though human beings have a strong tendency to actually need an alarming Armageddon on the horizon. The easier our lives become in the West the more likely this phenomenon is.

Michael Lynch

7th October 2019 at 8:28 am

This is what happens when you get rid of one organized religion; you start inventing a whole pack of other beliefs to replace it. ‘Book of Dave’ type stuff. I’m not a great fan of Will Self, but it is a good read.

Geoff Cox

7th October 2019 at 8:26 am

No meat, but you can eat locusts – there you go Brendan. Buzz word bingo fixed for the Church of Extinction Rebellion.

Stephen J

7th October 2019 at 8:17 am

The best treatment for these idiots would have been Boris’s water cannon, but the maybot stopped him, and Sadiq Khan, whose dad drove a bus for London Transport, rejoiced when he effectively wasted about a million quids worth of useful kit.

As a point of observation, has anyone noticed that despite the fact that these cretins have a penchant for dressing in mediaeval style clothing, they don’t seem to have the knowledge that that period was warmer than today, and that a couple of hundred years later the Thames froze every year.

But what is really puzzling is that I have yet to hear any of these morons show me their evidence?

I know that Greenland is shedding some of its ice, but is it not a fact that the Vikings who were the first Europeans to see that place, called it green?

Some two thirds of the planet’s grasslands are in the process of desertification, and yet Dr. Allan Savory has proven that all of it is caused not by “climate change” but by human mismanagement. First they killed the huge herds of grass eaters, like Bison and Gnu when they populated and began farming their traditional lands. It is this lack of understanding about how grassland fits in to our world, that is at the heart of its death.

The fact is that there is no “correct” temperature for the planet. The principal source of global warmth is the SUN (god bless rupert murdoch). All living creatures and plants are principally comprised of “carbon”, which is either solid or gaseous, but does not diminish or increase in its totality, it just changes form. The sun is the only external source of heat.

It doesn’t matter what computer models are used to prove their nutjob theories, because we just are not clever enough to produce either an accurate statement of the current reality, neither do they understand the nature and weight that their various inputs of data have on their results.

Finally anyone with any nous will observe that what they are doing is exactly what socialists everywhere do, which is to disrupt and then attempt to take over…

Which brings me back to those water cannon.

H McLean

7th October 2019 at 8:41 am

Don’t look to politicians for any resistance. Half of them are already apostles in the Church of Climate Change and the rest are either too witless or (rightly) terrified to consider speaking out. The responsibility for this rests with the education system across the western world and the politicians who stood by while it was hijacked by Marxist ideologues.

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 10:42 am

Everything free, comes at a price

Thomas Swift

7th October 2019 at 8:14 am

I’m afraid it might take more than ridicule.

H McLean

7th October 2019 at 8:42 am

There aren’t enough helicopters in the world to sort this out.

Thomas Swift

7th October 2019 at 9:59 am

(sigh) True.

John Millson

7th October 2019 at 8:13 am

On the other hand, isn’t it great Extinction Rebellion has the freedom to speak.

Jerry Owen

7th October 2019 at 9:04 am

John Millson
Yes… but unfortunately they disrupt the lives of others and cost people time and money. They did it to me earlier this year, the police allowed them to block the roads at traffic lights . It was block seven greens and allow traffic to pass on the eighth green.

Jim Lawrie

7th October 2019 at 11:45 am

They want the freedom to shut us up and make us do as they say.

Their actions are now having a detrimental effect on profits and that will cost them.

christopher barnard

7th October 2019 at 7:57 am

It isn’t a middle class death cult. It is a middle class hobby group and bonding activity.

Its purpose is the make its members feel good about themselves as they indulge in doing what they enjoy most – telling everyone else how to behave.

Dominic Straiton

7th October 2019 at 6:18 am

Severn Suzuki ,aged 9 in 1992 was, like Thunberg bleating on about the end of the world to the UN. Today shes 39 and were all still here. These people like any death cult just keep changing the date when nothing happens.

Dominic Straiton

7th October 2019 at 6:22 am

I read that if the US supplied fracked gas to all the Chinese power station it would cut global emissions by 40%. I dont think they’d go for that.

William Murphy

7th October 2019 at 8:14 am

Thanks very much! I had never heard of Severn Cullis-Suzuki or her “famous speech on the environment”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGdS8ts63Ck

Hugely entertaining. Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses seem to have given up on precise predictions, which keep receding like the end of the rainbow (No wonder a Greenpeace ship was called Rainbow Warrior). As the riotously funny Wiki entry explains:

“Almost all the predictions for 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918 and 1925 were later reinterpreted as a confirmation of the eschatological framework of the Bible Student movement and Jehovah’s Witnesses, with many of the predicted events viewed as having taken place invisibly. Further expectations were held for the arrival of Armageddon in 1975, but resulted in a later apology to members from the society’s leadership…”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Society_unfulfilled_predictions

terence patrick hewett

7th October 2019 at 5:53 am

“When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing, they believe in everything.”

H McLean

7th October 2019 at 8:44 am

Yeah, no. Almost all the rational people I know are non-believers but remain highly sceptical of modern politics.

Dan Under

7th October 2019 at 8:45 pm

With respect, as you likely know, rationalism and belief may have little to do with one another and even less to do with science. Deny me the beauty of a sunset? Prove it.
I know many rational people and scientists who possess a strong Christian faith.
But then, opinions are like, ..well you know. Everyone has one, n’est ce pas?

Winston Stanley

7th October 2019 at 5:03 am

Right martyrs. The red ritual robes seem to allude to the sanctity of martyrdom – the idea is that we are living through times of tribulation, retribution and mass death and that XR are innocent sufferers bearing witness to the truth in their untimely death. (“Martyr” is Greek for “witness to the truth”.) They suffer b/c of the materialist and consumerist sins, the gluttony and greed of humans that bring just devastation, brimstone and sulphur, upon the wicked and the innocent alike, and they call for communal remorse, conversion and self-denial. “And all the city did penance in sackcloth and ashes for their sins and did fast on dusty bread and dirty water and the Lord God had pity on them and he turned aside from his wrath against them and did not destroy them has he had intended.” XR also wear green robes which are historically associated with the martyrdom not to blood but to austere penance and self-denial. Red and green martyrs, right saints.

> Some Roman Catholic writers (such as Thomas Cahill) continue to use a system of degrees of martyrdom that was developed in early Christianity.[27] Some of these degrees bestow the title of martyr on those who sacrifice large elements of their lives alongside those who sacrifice life itself. These degrees were mentioned by Pope Gregory I in Homilia in Evangelia, he wrote of “three modes of martyrdom, designated by the colors, red, blue (or green), and white”.[28] A believer was bestowed the title of red martyr due to either torture or violent death by religious persecution. The term “white martyrdom” was used by the Church Father Jerome, “for those such as desert hermits who aspired to the condition of martyrdom through strict asceticism”.[28] Blue (or green) martyrdom “involves the denial of desires, as through fasting and penitent labors without necessarily implying a journey or complete withdrawal from life”.[28] (Wiki)

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 12:52 pm

“involves the denial of desires, ”
I thought that was EU-enforced austerity?

Andrew Leonard

7th October 2019 at 2:41 am

Great piece, Brendan.
I only have one quibble with it.

“The only word that was missing was locusts. They can’t be far behind these other ghastly visitations to sinful mankind.”

There is one other missing word, that can’t be far behind:

Eugenics

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 12:49 pm

Bad word. It even starts with an EU.

Andrew Leonard

10th October 2019 at 2:42 am

Nicely spotted

Coram Deo

7th October 2019 at 2:26 am

Fear ye not me? saith the Lord: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
JEREMIAH 5:22

Coram Deo

7th October 2019 at 2:25 am

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
GENESIS 8:22

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 12:48 pm

And on the seventh day, He rested, because His route to work was obstructed by an XR demo.
LAMENTATIONS 8:10

Thomas Swift

7th October 2019 at 2:13 am

Agree that it is a middle-class death cult but let’s not overlook the face that they are backed, funded and organised by serious people with a financial motive i.e., to soften us up for the introduction of a global carbon credits derivatives scheme and similar wealth-extraction mechanisms.

mike Freeman

7th October 2019 at 10:39 pm

Yep…these ‘useful idiots’ are the stalking horse for the carbon tax that our betters have been trying to phsh on us for 15yrs now. The reason for this sudden upsurge is their money backers know that time is running out for the scare…..too many papers coming out now suggesting that co2 sensitivity is low, not high. The models are tuned to a high sensitivity, which is why they run too hot to observations. We know the AMO is about to flip negative, then temps will drop back a bit blowing tbe doors off the gw scam.

A Game

8th October 2019 at 5:28 am

The racket is actually that taxpayer money is going into privateers pockets with this stuff. Big business loves green energy and policy. Its almost money for nothing. Part of why corporations are so woke about this stuff. What’s his name… Buffett… he comes clean about this truth. He says, yep, love renewable energy, I’m making a bomb from it. This is part of what’s so hideous. Wage earners are funding this crap…
I think part of Boris’s green package should be sliced off to pay for this civil unrest. They want to do this? Then less money for the green policies. They don’t get to have it both ways.

A Game

7th October 2019 at 1:41 am

Nice summation. Pack of savages. Their entitlement to dictate, without any mandate whatsoever… pack of fascists.
I’m loving the Am-Dram theatrics.
And in truth, if these f’wits didn’t have their placards to paint, their songs to learn, their costumes to sew… what would they be doing? Fretting about their council notice to clean up their hoarder homes and yards?
Can they be persuaded to invest in Nikes for everyone and to lie in their beds and await their inter-stellar journey? Damn handy if so.

Cult. Death Cult. Death Cultists. Definitely. Is it possible to get the Hong Kong police, or the French police in on this? Its so boring watching this sh*t being indulged.

Ven Oods

8th October 2019 at 12:39 pm

Thing is they know how to get on the news, which is what counts nowadays

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