Jeffrey Epstein and the age of hysteria

The idea that the Clintons bumped off Epstein is a deranged conspiracy theory.

Brendan O'Neill

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There is not a shred of evidence that Bill and Hillary Clinton had Jeffrey Epstein murdered. Nothing. No confession from a hitman. No secretly recorded phone chats between the Clintons’ people and the Manhattan prison authorities who… did what, exactly? Let a murderer into Epstein’s jail cell? Let Epstein kill himself without intervening? Poisoned his food at Hillary’s behest? And yet the dearth of evidence hasn’t stopped this harebrained conspiracy theory from spreading like a pox across the internet since Epstein’s suicide. You couldn’t have asked for better proof that we have entered an age of hysteria.

Reason has been eclipsed in the 21st century. It has surrendered to paranoia, rumour, comforting fantasies about the faceless people who secretly govern the world behind our backs. Bush did 9/11. The royals killed Diana. Russia is behind Brexit. Zionists puppeteer Western politics. A VIP paedophile network in the UK murdered young boys for fun. And now alleged trafficker and sexual creep Jeffrey Epstein was got at somehow, murdered in his Manhattan jail cell, by shady powerful forces who feared what would be revealed about them when Epstein ended up in the dock. Don’t ask for evidence; just feel the theory, let it wash over you, nod along to yet another fact-free story about the shadowy networks that can knock down buildings, commandeer people’s minds, and bump off princesses and perverts at will.

It is astonishing, and depressing, how many people have bought into the Epstein conspiracy theories. Some think the Clintons did it. Others think Trump was the man who somehow organised the super-secretive murder of a suspect in a high-security prison cell. Or maybe it was Prince Andrew. After all, he was one of Epstein’s associates, an attendee at his allegedly dodgy parties. Having already murdered the much-loved Diana – by somehow making her car crash into a concrete pillar in Paris, makes perfect sense – why wouldn’t the royals also get rid of a lowlife like Epstein? Someone did it. Definitely. There’s no proof, but who needs proof? We have rumours and whispers and memes of Hillary looking really evil, and surely that’s enough.

What is striking about this conspiracy theory is that it has been inflamed by some very influential, supposedly respectable people. President Trump retweeted a comedian saying ‘Yeah right!’ about the suicide of Epstein. ‘Epstein has information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead’, the comedian retweeted by Trump says. This is classic conspiracy-theory territory. Provide no evidence whatsoever for your batshit belief – instead just draw a link between two different things and say ‘SEE?’. In this case, ‘Epstein knew things about Bill Clinton’ and ‘Epstein is dead’ – SEE? Clinton killed him. It’s obvious. What more proof do you want? In fact, even to ask for proof is to make yourself suspect. Why are you covering for these evil forces, the conspiracy-theory mob will bark at anyone who clings for dear life to the Enlightenment-era conviction that we should ask for evidence before believing mad accusations and stories.

The Epstein conspiracy theory has had an extraordinarily unifying impact. It has brought together both sides of the culture war, right and left, alt-right agitators and so-called socialists, all pushing proof-less claims of one kind or another. So Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez followed Trump’s lead by tweeting the suggestive, ‘We need answers. Lots of them.’ Cue a vast Twitter thread in which everyone offers up their fantasies about who murdered Epstein. In the UK, Labour MP David Lammy, self-styled warrior against Trumpism, said of Epstein’s suicide: ‘How convenient for the rich and powerful…’ This is so often how conspiracy theories are spread: not with an outright declaration – like, ‘Trump murdered Epstein’ – but rather with a nod and a wink, a sly invitation to others to ‘fill in the gaps’, to spout their own invented tales of What Really Happened.

Respectable journalists have also thrown petrol on the fire of conspiracism. ‘People close to Epstein fear he was murdered’, says Carol Leonnig of the Washington Post. To which the only reasonable response is: so what? If the Washington Post had said, ‘People close to Epstein have evidence he was murdered and we are going to reveal it’, that would be a story worth reporting. But the ‘fear he was murdered’ line is pure conspiracism and it is a stunning abdication of journalistic responsibility for the Washington Post to push such 4Chan-style crap. That Donald Trump, David Lammy, the WashPost and others have stirred the pot of hysteria, cranked up the rumour mill, is testament to the crisis of reason within the establishment itself.

Indeed, those who believe that conspiracy theories are the handiwork of ill-educated people and weird inhabitants of the recesses of the internet need to have a rethink. From Carole Cadwalladr’s increasingly unhinged reporting about the ‘shadowy global operation’ that made Brexit happen to Owen Jones’ claims about a ‘shadowy and labyrinth system that dominates our lives’, from Tom Watson’s promotion of the deranged ‘VIP paedophile’ panic to the current political-class whispering about the murder of Epstein, today conspiracy theories often come from above. Or from the middle classes. They come from the Twitterati. And they come from both left and right. The left thinks Zionists or Russians control everything, while the right thinks the Clintons or the foreign-born, secret Muslim Barack Obama are responsible for everything from random suicides to the rise of Islamist extremism. What both sides share in common is a preference for simplistic, conspiratorial explanations for complex or just random events over genuine analysis of where society is at right now.

Conspiracy theories are really bad for society. They corrupt public debate. They promote, ultimately, a sense of powerlessness, reducing ordinary people to the level of spectators, watching as unaccountable, unreachable and fundamentally unknowable forces stitch up political life, control people’s brains, and do whatever the hell they like. Conspiracy theories are not only anti-reason – they’re anti-democratic, too, in that they thrive on a seemingly thrilling, but ultimately pacifying, sense of outrage against the wicked people who supposedly run everything behind the scenes, in the dark. The cult of conspiracy theories turns us from citizens into victims, from agents of change into head-shaking observers of secret crimes and corruption. They are one of the most depraved, disturbing phenomena of the 21st-century. They provide the illusion of ‘knowing the truth’ about the world, while in reality shrouding everything in obfuscation, normalising hearsay and lies, and inviting us all to accept that there’s nothing we can really do about the world or even about our own lives.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Mark Marecki

18th August 2019 at 2:32 am

I have fallen for the view that J. E. was murdered to protect those who are being accused by women claiming to be exploited by them.
Makes sense if one consider that by removing J. E. the accusations are harder to made to lead to convictions.
And all those irregularities and lapses of protocol in case of so prominent suspect.
The more I read about J. E. the more I learn about the man.
Putting asides controversies for a moment, J. E. was remarkable man.
Brilliant individual of great intelligence, talents and charm.
In his view, and if objectively and dispassionately considered not without merit, he was ethically sound.
I see now that suicide could be his only way out of dragging in many innocent people into the vengeance of law, mob or both.
Truth and justice is in service of ideology so often today,
Look at the case of Australian bishop G. Pell.
10 point defence argument is crucial to read to understand the case.
His conviction is example that anybody can be convicted today.
J. E. I believe, and only believe is available to most of us one way or another, had chosen to kill himself to spare himself from public lynching and good and innocent people from being drag into it,
Sure, some bad people may have been amongst them too.
Probably, the irregularities and lapses of his detention were engineered to help him to kill himself but he put the noose on himself.

Mae Marie

15th August 2019 at 1:15 am

I have never subscribed to a conspiracy theory but I’m afraid these circumstances absolutely demand conspiracy theories!

Hana Jinks

14th August 2019 at 9:12 pm

Eric Praline.

They were theories a long time ago.

https://youtu.be/cFwQp5DLQqM

Hana Jinks

15th August 2019 at 3:42 pm

There’s actually chat now about how it’s possiblevrhat they bumped someone else now, as a way for Epstein to escape.

Are you aware of that, Eric?

Hana Jinks

15th August 2019 at 5:36 pm

“They bumped someone else off.

Hana Jinks

15th August 2019 at 5:37 pm

Epstein is alive, and has escaped to safety. Dude on the stretcher is NOT Epstein.

Paul Weston

13th August 2019 at 12:13 pm

There are a lot – A LOT – of dead people around the Clintons. Far too many for normal circumstances. Bill Clinton had multiple trips on Epstein’s jet (dubbed the “Lolita Express”) and Bill certainly liked a spot of sexual shenanigans. I’m sure he will be very happy Epstein is dead. I’m sure he is very happy that the CCTV monitoring Epstein stopped working at the opportune moment. Of course there are questions to be asked about this death – and it is strangely naive of Brendan O’Neill to think otherwise. I use the term “strangely” because Mr O’Neill is usually so clear thinking.

Ven Oods

13th August 2019 at 8:50 pm

“There are a lot – A LOT – of dead people around the Clintons.”

You’d think the smell would bother them.

Julie Smith

13th August 2019 at 1:14 am

Well, everyone’s wrong, it’s the lizards. You know, those invisible ones that lurk in your bathroom watching you have a pee or play with your plastic ducks in the bath, while they manipulate the illuminati.. or was it some brotherhood, I forget. Mr Icke, bless him, was perhaps a canary in the mine singing his heart out having got a whiff of the hysteria filling up our darkness. (Yes, it’s me. You know who you are. We talked about this 😉

Sure, I think Epstein was a thoroughly odious man with too much money and money begets freedom. Did it come home to roost – the shit he was in – and he couldn’t face it? Maybe, maybe not. Point is: I don’t know. I’m cool with not knowing and reserving judgement until something indicates otherwise – funnily enough I’ve found doing so is more iluminating in the long run.

The truth is… everything is chance and chaos… and I know, that’s more frightening than anything. The idea someone is actually in charge is a security blanket, it feels better than a vacuum (meaninglessness) of the nothing that chance and chaos is.

Always amazes me people don’t grasp the simple reality that the world is a complex place, and orchestrating even a fraction of what folks think .. the Russians, Clintons [ fill in ]… have supposedly done would involve a tonne of folks, tasks and stuff to go right, that there would be real evidence popping up all over the place. How many plans go entirely to plan ever? None. Heck, even going on holiday for a week doesn’t go to plan…

Thomas Smith

12th August 2019 at 7:39 pm

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/08/12/epst-a12.html Who wanted Jeffrey Epstein dead?
By Patrick Martin
12 August 2019

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 7:58 pm

Thanks for that link, Thomas.

Guess what NYT and puked have in cimmon?

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 7:59 pm

*common

James Knight

12th August 2019 at 6:39 pm

I am slightly more alarmed by the assumption tha “suicide = guilt” than I am the swivel-eyed loon conspiracy nuts. When they say he “evaded justice” it is true, but we know they assume he was guilty. First on the case were the lawyers anxious to freeze his assets, apparently fearing their big pay day may go up in smoke. Whereas normally conspiracy nuts shout “follow the money”, they hardly comment on it here.

Swivel-eyed loons – like trolls – do serve a useful purpose. And it is healthy they exist, at least on the fringe. It is like PC, the problem is when they become mainstream and those kind unhinged assumptions start to dominate debate.

Simon Harris

12th August 2019 at 6:17 pm

Genuinely shocked at the level of naivety in this article. By all means demand evidence, but we’re talking about someone who was most likely blackmailing some of the most powerful people in the world, almost certainly on behalf of one or more security services. Not unreasonable to question his “suicide” at the point it’s all coming to trial. That’s my subscription to Spiked cancelled.

Hana Jinks

13th August 2019 at 4:49 am

If you and l know about the mysterious camera malfunction, then it puts this in the category of fake news.

Neil McCaughan

12th August 2019 at 5:47 pm

Like the basilisk, the mere sight of Hillary Clinton is enough to kill.

Jerry Owen

12th August 2019 at 4:59 pm

I believe some are blaming Brexit !

Eric Praline

12th August 2019 at 1:44 pm

There is literally nothing you can do to persuade a conspiracy theorist of the error of their ways. However much evidence you present they can just say it’s made up or there are secret facts we’re not told about. They are immune to reason and once you adopt that mindset you just keep going.

gershwin gentile

12th August 2019 at 2:04 pm

Ever hear of JFK? Got his head blown off in Texas, on a sunny day. FOr over a decade, the line was “He acted alone”, then in 1978, the line was “Er, well, yeah, chances are that there was a second shooter (conspiracy), but he probably missed… Don’t ask questions about Oswald or what he was doing for the CIA.”

Eric Praline

12th August 2019 at 2:31 pm

Classic conspiratorial hot air.

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 3:00 pm

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 3:16 pm

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 10:08 pm

Watch carefully, Eric.

https://youtu.be/T5aOePmsC8E

This was only released a few hours ago. If all anyone has known is the lies of fake news, then it’s gonna take a while for all this to sink in.

David Grogan

12th August 2019 at 3:19 pm

Come on Eric, there are going to be cases in which there are miscarriages or simply omissions of justice. People have enquiring minds and when thefacts offered do not add up they become ciurious and disbelieving. To think that, by sticking a conspiracy theorist tag on them and they will accept porkies is naïve and unfair. Yes there are flat-earthers out there but you need to be less all inclusive. It gives carte blanche to the powerfully corrupt.

Eric Praline

12th August 2019 at 4:50 pm

I concede I might be generalising, but conspiracy theorists don’t tend to have enquiring minds. For whatever reason, perhaps it gives them a sense of superiority, they adopt a non-mainstream position and believe it despite (or perhaps because of?) the lack of evidence and will not be shifted.

Healthy scepticism is to commended, but that is a different thing. I’m perfectly prepared to believe JFK was assassinated by the Mafia but I’d like some evidence before doing so.

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 5:54 pm

Eric. Turn off fake news. All msm is nothing but utter lies. That’s a fact, Eric. Why would l debate it? If you still think that 9 11 wasn’t an inside job, then that’s your choice. Watch some of the vids on the corbett report. Almost everyone is completely oblivious to how things really work, and it’s a measure of how successful they’ve been at completely brainwashing us to exploit us. Their cover has been blown by the internet, Eric.

Watch some of the vids l put up, Eric. You might not believe any of it at first. Corbett report is truthful and factual, and there are others.

gershwin gentile

12th August 2019 at 3:40 pm

Also, the RFK shooting. Fatal wound to RFK? Behind the head, leaving power burns to the ear. Shot could only have come from BEHIND RFK, less than 5 inches. NO WITNESSESS SEE Sirhan anywhere other than INFRONT of RFK no closer than one foot.

DO you know who Thane Cesar is? He was an employee of Lockheed. You might want to check that out.

David Grogan

12th August 2019 at 1:41 pm

It`s no good throwing your toys out of the pram because nasty people are unable to rely on the justice system. If the courts had a solid reputation of pursuing wrong doing in high places and investigative bodies were seen to be thorough, I doubt that there would be a market for conspiracy theories and they would be rightfully given the tongue lashing that they deserve. In the meanwhile, there appears to be considerable evidence that citizens are not being served without prejudice and favour. There`s more to rant about inthat area than in haranguing those who search for a rational and believable truth .

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 4:35 pm

Absolutely spot on.

Eric Praline

12th August 2019 at 5:25 pm

Conspiracy theorists let the powers that be off the hook for all the shit they get up to. Their time would be more profitably spent holding them to account for the stuff we know they have done.

Peter Simmons

12th August 2019 at 1:14 pm

There were apparently numbers of rich elite involved with him, and fact is he had been on suicide watch, which was removed just before he was found dead. The sheer convenience of no trial is too much to dismiss with ‘conspiracy theory’; a word to someone, payment of a bribe, who knows? Is that conspiracy? It’s just how the world works, especially the world of money and power. To deny this is naivete or collusion.

Neil Mcalester

12th August 2019 at 1:06 pm

I blame Tony Blair for pretty much everything that doesn’t have an obvious cause! Works for me.

Linda Payne

12th August 2019 at 1:06 pm

The last sentence says it all that if we accept that there is nothing we can do about the world then conspiracy theories become tempting and the theories themselves confirm that ‘dark forces’ control the world and we cannot do anything about them. This is lazy but tempting thinking the stuff of novels and films but that is where they should stay; I can understand the Kennedy thing to an extent but now it seems we can be tempted to believe some bizarre theory on any issue rather than taking time out to get to the truth.

Bill Cook

12th August 2019 at 12:54 pm

There’s plenty of ‘cui bono’ to go round. You don’t have to believe Clinton, Trump or Prince Andrew are behind Epstein’s death in order to raise an eyebrow at the remarkable convenience of the circumstances of it.

Philip Humphrey

12th August 2019 at 12:13 pm

Problem is we’ve seen people convicted on so little evidence, often little more than the say-so of accusers. Which, as the Carl Beech affair proves, is extremely dangerous. And the US Democrats were all-to-ready to believe Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh, even though her accusations were completely incoherent and there was not a shred of supporting evidence. So they can hardly complain when the president mockingly re-tweets a jokey (but strangely believable) theory about Clinton. Reality is a lot of people wanted Epstein dead, it may have been suicide, but if not, there’s no shortage of suspects who ordered the “hit”.

Amelia Cantor

12th August 2019 at 11:40 am

First of all, I think we should celebrate another cisgender white male doing the decent thing and removing himself from the planet. Epstein is / was proof that WHITES are the problem when it comes to crimes against wombyn and girls, not communities of colour and particularly not the Muslim community.

Conspiracy theories are really bad for society. They corrupt public debate. … Conspiracy theories are not only anti-reason – they’re anti-democratic, too, in that they thrive on a seemingly thrilling, but ultimately pacifying, sense of outrage against the wicked people who supposedly run everything behind the scenes, in the dark.

Utterly ridiculous special pleading from O’Neill. Conspiracies happen and conspiracy theories have to be decided on their merits. Holocaust denial is a conspiracy theory. It’s wrong and evil. Saying that Blair and the neo-cons lied and plotted before the Iraq war is another conspiracy theory. It’s 100% correct.

O’Neill’s frantic special pleading should also remind us that the Revolutionary Communist Party was and is a conspiracy, in that its public face does not match its private intentions.

Neil McCaughan

12th August 2019 at 12:45 pm

Dude, did they not teach English at your reformatory?

Amelia Cantor

13th August 2019 at 10:14 am

Dude, did they not teach English at your reformatory?

Sez the cisgender white male who doesn’t know the difference between a singular and a plural possessive.

gershwin gentile

12th August 2019 at 2:02 pm

“WHITES are the problem when it comes to crimes against wombyn and girls, not communities of colour and particularly not the Muslim community”

AC the racist nonce apologist is fine with ISIS raping Yazidi girls, Boko Haram raping girls. But dare a WHITE man (as opposed to a WHITE man pretending to be a woman) have sex for money with a girl! DAMN YOU PAY-TREE-AR-KEY!

Amelia Cantor

13th August 2019 at 10:20 am

AC the racist nonce apologist is fine with ISIS raping Yazidi girls, Boko Haram raping girls. But dare a WHITE man (as opposed to a WHITE man pretending to be a woman) have sex for money with a girl! DAMN YOU PAY-TREE-AR-KEY!

When a rightard cannot win an argument, he (and it is he) has to put words into his opponents’ mouths. (Rightards can never win arguments, of course.)

And how often do I have to tell you that, as a white, I fully accept I am a racist. I am doing my best to overcome my racism, but I know I am failing each and every day. But I am not racist in my support for communities of colour. Only a rightard would call such support “racist”.

If you yourself belong to a community of colour, you are a coconut and an Uncle Tom, as other members of communities of colour will be happy to tell you.

Hana Jinks

13th August 2019 at 9:11 pm

Ameliorate Cant.

You are diabolical liars, and you counter me with censorship.

Hana Jinks

13th August 2019 at 9:12 pm

That was the second attempt l had to make in replying to you here. Low-life hypocrites.

gershwin gentile

14th August 2019 at 2:15 pm

“I am doing my best to overcome my racism, but I know I am failing each and every day. But I am not racist in my support for communities of colour.”

By calling people “Uncle Toms”? (BTW, you are showing your white privilege racism there, UT was the hero of the book, but you probably don’t read anything other than nonce apology stuff)

“If you yourself belong to a community of colour, you are a coconut and an Uncle Tom, as other members of communities of colour will be happy to tell you. ”

Is that you speaking (as a white person) about a varied group of people. Please explain how you support “People of Colour”? I don’t think making racist comments helps?

I pray to God you don’t feel like helping kids. You’re probably not allowed near kids tho’, like that Ian.

PAT Simmons

12th August 2019 at 11:14 am

“Hillary looking really evil”…..Is evidence? Now change the name to Jimmy Savile!

James Chilton

12th August 2019 at 9:25 am

The only conspiracy theory no one analyses now supposes everything is or is not explained by conspiracy theories…..

Asuryani Waderer

12th August 2019 at 9:23 am

Back in a previous life I was told Believe nobody, accept nothing, question everything. If the Met had applied that formula in respect of Carl Beech, a lot of innocent people would not have had their lives ruined. Princess Diana would probably be alive if she had worn a seat belt. At best conspiracy theories are a lazy form of post hoc ergo proctor hoc thinking. At worst they are paranoid hysteria. Human beings do strange and random things without the interference of anybody else.

alan smithee

12th August 2019 at 8:22 am

Poor article. Let’s look at the facts. Epstein had previously attempted suicide but was not on suicide watch when he ‘committed suicide’ , also at the same time of his death the cameras stopped working. Come on Brendan, join the dots!

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 1:22 am

Dude. You’re allowed to be fake news if you wanna be, but its gonna be difficult propagating it while not outing yourself as an (edited).

Watch and learn, and blow up ur telly.

https://youtu.be/oyKJheTur5U

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 1:23 am

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 1:31 am

What l find “astonishing” is how “useful” the Fey-Squad is.

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 9:20 am

People btl take your horseshit apart for fun. What do you make of that? And would it be at all possible for you to set up livestreams of meetings between the Fey-Squad?

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 9:21 am

And you really should start to ask urself why ur so far out of the truth-loop.

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 9:25 am

Baseless nothingness would make a great name if ever the Fey-Squad was gonna form a prog band.

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 9:26 am

BASELESS-NOTHINGNESS

Hana Jinks

12th August 2019 at 9:39 am

Emmett Elvin

11th August 2019 at 10:14 pm

My chief problem with this article is not that it calls for actual evidence – that in itself is a perfectly reasonable request and one I wholeheartedly concur with. My problem lies with its rather sneery attitude to those who quite reasonably are not remotely keen to simply swallow the official narrative. Given the deceased’s identity and those with whom he associated some kind of conspiracy is hardly a crazed waltz into La-La Land, is it?

A more tempered approach would be to look at the issue through the lens of motivation and means. Are there a large number of people with the motivation to remove Epstein from the land of the breathing? Without doubt. The evidence released the day before his death alone confirms this. But the means? That would take a whole lot more explaining.

I can only hope sufficient pressure is supplied to force those with more information about the circumstances of Epstein’s demise to come forward.

Eric Praline

12th August 2019 at 1:45 pm

Yes it is a crazed waltz into La-La Land.

Ven Oods

13th August 2019 at 9:07 pm

The only people I *don’t* suspect are the lawyers, as events have taken a big dump all over their earning potential.

Jake K

11th August 2019 at 8:27 pm

With so little reported evidence available at the moment, it is only marginally less silly to actually believe the “suicide” version vs any other version.

Assuming anyone cares all that much about this, the somewhat more intelligent approach would to shrug your shoulders, say “Hmmm”, wait for more evidence to come out and make a judgement then.

Until that point, just view all the various pronouncements as media fluff.

MARgaret Barr

11th August 2019 at 9:32 pm

You all need to listen to MARK PASSIO is wake up.. Seriously. This spin article is sooo predictable. This isnt about Trump or Clinton..

but you all really think that nothing to see about Epstein.. move along? Ok.. WHAT about the Roman Catholic sex abuse scandal?? What about Jimmy Savile in Great Britain??? what about the ME TOO movement and Cory Feldman talking about the sex abuse in Hollywood?? But you think that the Catholic Child abuse thing is a hoax????????? REALLY.. and look into Jimmy Savile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Geesh.. the stubbornness in our culture is really frustrating.. YOU are part of the problem!

Jim Lawrie

12th August 2019 at 12:35 pm

If your post is indicative of Mark Passio then I’ll give him a wide berth. Never heard of him BTW.

PAT Simmons

12th August 2019 at 2:13 pm

What about the VP ring in Parliament, that went well!

gershwin gentile

12th August 2019 at 3:41 pm

Funny how Lord Janner name never comes up. Wonder why?

Jim Lawrie

11th August 2019 at 7:57 pm

We can expect a feeding frenzy of claims against his estate with the manner of his death being all the evidence needed that he is guilty.

Winston Stanley

11th August 2019 at 7:53 pm

The “queen” has intervened in politics again – exactly what she is not supposed to do. She did it a few days before the Scottish independence referendum in 2014. This time she has stuck her nose in about Brexit. Does the British establishment do exactly what it is not supposed to do? Of course it does. State collusion in Ireland only confirms what we already know. Will she intervene yet again against Brexit? How many days more do we have to wait now for MPs to honour the referendum, and then we will find out.

PAT Simmons

12th August 2019 at 2:16 pm

You don’t think she would intervene in favour of Brent?

Jim Lawrie

11th August 2019 at 7:44 pm

It is not unknown for prison authorities to let the the others at sex offenders.
Mocking and listing this among other conspiracy theories constitutes neither argument nor evidence.

Ambitious Democrats see this as a chance to put the boot into the Clintons and so dissociate themselves from that period in their party’s history. Opportunism has nothing to do with belief.

I prefer to wait for the actual evidence to come out.

Neil McCaughan

11th August 2019 at 7:24 pm

Next you’ll be telling us that Theresa May, Ollie Robbins and Clive Sedwill weren’t engaged in a conspiracy to scupper Brexit and betray us to the EU.

Jerry Owen

11th August 2019 at 9:30 pm

Hard not to disagree with you.

Ven Oods

13th August 2019 at 9:09 pm

Did you mean to include that ‘not’?

Emmett Elvin

11th August 2019 at 10:02 pm

Good one, Neil!

John Campbell

11th August 2019 at 7:00 pm

#ClintonBodyCount

Paul Weston

13th August 2019 at 12:14 pm

Indeed. But never mentioned by the MSM of course.

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