‘The woke are gaslighting us all’

Bridget Phetasy joins Andrew Doyle to discuss the tidal wave of wokeness unleashed by Black Lives Matter.

Comedian and writer Bridget Phetasy is Andrew Doyle’s first guest on Culture Wars. They discuss how Bridget became an accidental pundit, the purge of unwoke comedy, and how even the pandemic was infected by the culture wars.

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Andrew B

26th July 2020 at 8:34 pm

I have one little quibble with a point made during this conversation. At one point, Bridget remarks that Trump lies all the time and Andrew appears to agree with that assessment. So what exactly would be an example of one of Trump’s lies? I’ve been looking for them and I can’t seem to find them. There are certainly examples of things that Trump has said that have been incorrect, and times when Trump uses hyperbole to make a point, but I am not aware of any occasion in which he’s said something that was clearly an example of his deliberately saying something he knew to be false.

On the other hand, the Democrats, their army of propagandists in the mainstream news industry and even senior officials in the FBI, the CIA, the State Department and the Department of Justice have been lying about Trump practically non-stop for over four years now.

For example, the media lied when they claimed Trump called white supremacists at Charlottesville “very fine people”. They lied when they claimed Trump told Americans to drink bleach to prevent COVID-19. They’ve lied about Trump sending “unidentified troops” to Portland and having them bodysnatch people off the streets. They lied when they claimed Trump called Confederates part of America’s heritage in his July 4th speech in front of Mount Rushmore. There are many, many more such examples like this.

But by far the biggest lie they’ve told about Trump is that Trump he is a Russian asset. That overarching lie itself consisted of lots of sub-lies. We now know that whole story was concocted out of thin air by the Clinton campaign and pushed relentlessly by the CIA and FBI through MSM news outlets. This lie was used to try to remove Trump from office, which has to be the biggest scandal in US political history and the most serious challenge to the constitutional order of the republic since the Civil War.

When the Left-wing political complex aren’t lying about Trump, they’re lying about things in a way that is intended to hurt Trump. One recent obvious example is the way they’ve grossly misrepresented the George Floyd incident. The Left-wing media complex have conspicuously chosen to present this incident to the public in a way that omits important details that make it far from clear that police officers caused his death or committed a crime of any sort, let alone murdered the man. They deliberately been using this incident to stoke riots intended to fire up black voters and to provoke a response from Trump that they can slot into the broader narrative they’ve been trying to push that Trump has dictatorial ambitions. The fact that this has 1) killed people directly, 2) killed people indirectly by helping spread COVID-19, and 3) resulted in the detruction of many people’s livelihoods doesn’t seem to bother them in the least.

I’m just scratching the surface of the Left’s pathological dishonestly and ruthlessness over the past several years. It would be trivially easy for me to rattle off a lot more examples. I don’t see a mirror image of this coming from Trump. You say he lies all the time. What are these lies, and how can they even remotely compare to what we’ve seen from the Left?

James Clark

17th July 2020 at 10:42 am

Does spiked use the word “woke” as clickbait? Gotta love that advertising revenue.

Tony Benn

17th July 2020 at 7:21 am

Just to keep everything simple why don’t we return to the law in the 1970s where, unless you were threatening individuals or groups, you could say what you like? It really would save a lot of problems.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 1:03 am

The year is 2038 and plans are afoot to build Europe’s biggest legal brothel in Dover, Kent.

Some of the locals -about 33 percent of the population – get up a petition objecting to the brothel.

Question:

Should the owners of the brothel attack the opposition for being killjoy woke or being killjoy un-woke?

You see? You can make the case either way.

Boris Johnson has had a very good education so he could certainly earn money arguing that:

1. To support a legal brothel in Dover is “more woke PC liberal elite nonsense”.
2. To object to a legal brothel in Dover is “more woke PC feminist lunatic big brother nanny state red tape nonsense”

Marvin Jones

17th July 2020 at 11:49 am

Alan, why move a thriving brothel from Calais to Dover?

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:56 am

A teenage girls objects to the idea of a statue of Fred West being built in Hove as she thinks it’s morally objectionable and “we could have something better, possibly.”

Her boyfriend laughs at her for being ‘woke.”

But she isn’t at all woke so she responds by telling his mum that her son is a stupid ***t then walks off.

The teenage boys mother sees her son in a new light: “he really is a bit dim – not as dim as his father, perhaps, but clearly not destined to be one of the world’s great thinkers. I think Emily had a pretty good point when she suggested that statues of certain people might be objectionable to some other people.”

GCSE student challenge: define woke then try to argue how the Japanese were far too woke in the 1920s but not woke enough in the 1940s.

Bonus challenge: give your grandparents a wokeness rating from 1 (“they were totally unwoke and both committed horrific atrocities in the 20th century”) to 10 (“me gran was so woke she cried whenever she watched Amistad”)

John Reic

16th July 2020 at 11:55 pm

squealer Jones and Trotsky billy Bragg both saying cancel culture doesn’t exist have both tonight issued statements saying
Lloyd Russel moyles Free speech was stopped due to a bullying twitter media mob
Hypocrisy is sickening

https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1283854969725165579

KATHLEEN CARR

16th July 2020 at 7:53 pm

A study by several universities of the composition of XR protesters found they were mainly middle class females who were highly educated , they identify with the Green Party , live in Southern England especially the West Country ( that well known domain of diversity ) and are self-employed , work part time or are students. The same group ( who probably only know each other through the internet ) also seem to support BLM-they seem very like the Suffragette supporters , many who seemed to need a ’cause’ which justified violence. Perhaps these people ,who have the easiest lives in the world (for example unlike their brothers they were never expected to go to war or become financially independent ), are suffering from passive-aggression and need to express their anger? They long to commit actual violence ( which is forbidden to their class and sex ) but instead graffitti statues and send hate twitter messages to cancel whoever currently offends?

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 1:42 am

Yeah humans are pretty complicated.

Imagine the mental hoops a working class, retired football hooligan in Kent has to jump through to give a toss if vandals tear down a statue of a wealthy slaver in Bristol.

When he was 27 and chucking a chair at a German policeman, back in the day, he didn’t give a toss about anything right? Not even the parents or children of the 26 year old policeman he wanted to leave brain damaged on the street.

Now he’s in the pub banging on about the youth of today. Forgetting that when he was 27 he was so emotionally and mentally immature that his own father got on the phone to him and said “is that a picture of you in the ‘papers attempting to cave someone’s head in, you pathetic ****er?‘

Claire D

17th July 2020 at 8:51 am

Interesting comment Kathleen.
It was decided by the suffragettes to stop their terrorist activities during the war, when they could contribute to the war effort in all sorts of ways, nursing, ambulance driving, farming etc, and once the war was over, as far as I’m aware, the terrorism never came back.
Perhaps the protesters involved in XR or BLM, or #MeToo, just have too much time on their hands and too easy a life. It’s only going to get worse as AI develops, remember the Luddites? not that their lives were easy, but they understood the value of the work they did, to themselves never mind the bosses and the economy.
It’s a human need, to work, to feel useful and part of something greater than themselves and their own selfish desires.

Claire D

17th July 2020 at 12:59 pm

Terrible last line, should have been “yourself and your own selfish desires”.

KATHLEEN CARR

18th July 2020 at 8:40 am

I agree with you but also interesting that youth movements from The Children’s Crusade to Francis of Assissi – both made into films in the sixties and linking them to flower power/hippies are also linked with times of war. The sixties was the Vietnam War and a good way to get the economy started is to have a war and there is a strange phony-war feel at the moment where they trying to create Russia as the big enemy so they can have a proxy war with them instead of China.

Christopher Tyson

17th July 2020 at 7:02 pm

I’ve been thinking about this myself, if you go to a pet shop you’ll stuff like tall posts for your cat to scratch its nails on or wheels for your hamster, and so, these simulated devices, outlets for their animal instincts. I think the conflict and confrontation are fundamentally part of the human experience and what drives people to get out of bed and do things. Apocalyptic visions are as old as human consciousness, but it seems to me just as scary to imagine a world of passive, apathetic people, people who don’t stand for anything or stand up for anything or don’t believe in anything. I’m sure that most would agree with me, if a friend or relative lost that spark we would be concerned. I don’t believe that we have reached the end of politics, there are many divisions and on a theme that Frank Furedi addressed this week, this is an ideological divide but more and less than that. In the words of Pink Floyd it’s ‘us and them’ or the haves and have nots, or an expression of or a substitute for the need for clear distinction, a basis for understanding the word and ourselves. So many of our disputes today when we look behind the smoke and mirrors, seem trivial or concocted, the political narrative ‘a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’. There are genuine conflicts, and there may be terrible troubles ahead, there usually are, but I thing that existential ennui needs to be taken into account.

Christopher Tyson

17th July 2020 at 7:10 pm

On the curious ideological divide, we can see Michelle Obama supporting Greta Thunberg, or Greta supporting Black Lives Matter, they recognise each other somehow, even if they have little the is obviously in common. The kind of people who will be invited to guest edit the Today Programme on Radio 4, or make Prospect magazines list of Great Thinkers, it’s paradoxical, weak links made strong by a determination to hold them together, having nothing substantial to hold on to, they cling to each other, and fight imaginary monsters.

Christopher Tyson

17th July 2020 at 7:13 pm

We have not reached the end of politics, but we have reached a stage in history where we can imagine the end of politics, where we can imagine what that would look like.

Jeremiah Johndon

16th July 2020 at 6:37 pm

The stupidest of people are the ones who fap “educated yourself”.

Mark Houghton

16th July 2020 at 6:30 pm

I think I may speak for many of us here by wishing you luck and suggesting that you might consider just fucking off and leaving us in peace.

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