Russia isn’t responsible for Brexit – we the people are

The Remainer elite poses a far greater threat to British democracy than Vladimir Putin does.

Brendan O'Neill
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Imagine being so out of touch with public sentiment that you find it easier to believe that a vast Russian conspiracy brainwashed your fellow citizens into hating the EU than to accept that millions of us simply and rationally wanted to break away from Brussels.

This is the Remainer elite summed up. They have become so detached from ordinary Britons, from everyday life, that they have invented a story of the Russian capture of British democracy in an attempt to explain something that is utterly alien to them: the fact that millions of Brits have a different political view to theirs. They have become so aloof, so cut-off from the masses, so detached from the democratic reality of difference of opinion, that they can only understand our opposition to the EU as a foreign toxin, a political virus planted in our minds by Evil Russia.

This is the real story behind the interminable Russiagate debate and the idea that malevolent forces in Moscow interfered in the EU referendum and helped swing it to Brexit. This isn’t a tale of Russian wickedness but rather of the Remainer elite’s moral disorientation. The ongoing frenzied discussion about Russian meddling in the referendum looks like it is about Russia, but it isn’t. It’s about sections of Britain’s own middle classes having made such a violent turn against democracy that they now openly reject the two fundamental premises of democratic life – first, that people can think for themselves; and second, that people must have a real say in the political life of their nation.

This is why they can’t let go of their Russia conspiracy theory even following the publication of the Intelligence and Security Committee’s report on Russia and its admission that there is still no evidence of real Russian interference in the referendum, far less that Russia made Brexit happen. It really has become a conspiracy theory, a chattering-class conspiracy theory. The ‘Russia did Brexit’ worldview is fuelled entirely by speculation and suspicion and a desperate desire to uncover the base, hidden forces whose secretive hand is behind the thing these people find so concerning and offensive – the vote for Brexit. All conspiracy theories are orgies of speculative fantasising designed to make strange world events seem more understandable and manageable – and that is unquestionably the case with the Russia-Brexit conspiracy theory.

They can’t let it go despite the ongoing lack of evidence because it has become their entire worldview. It is the explanation. It is the feverish dream that makes the nightmare reality – Brexit – more comprehensible. So even though the Russia report unveils no evidence of effective Russian meddling in the Brexit process, and even says it would be ‘difficult – if not impossible’ to establish that such a thing happened, sections of the Remainer elite are still talking about Russia.

They need this story. It makes sense of their abject failure to convince a majority of their fellow citizens to join them in supporting the European Union. It is no longer their fault; it’s Russia’s. This is no longer a story of ordinary Britons rising up against the managerial, technocratic, pro-EU establishment that has dominated our lives for decades – a story these people cannot even countenance, given that it indicts them and their elitism. No, it’s now a story of monstrous Putin leading Britain astray. How convenient. All the questions thrown up by the people’s ballot-box revolt against the Euro-elites and the UK elites can be pushed aside in favour of obsessing over the dastardly machinations of a foreign power.

But here is the truth: the Remainer elite poses a far greater threat to British democracy than Vladimir Putin does. It isn’t Putin who has spent the past four years trying to overthrow the largest democratic vote in the history of the United Kingdom. It isn’t Putin who has used the law courts, the streets and the eye-watering wealth of rich businessmen to try to block the enactment of 17.4million votes. It isn’t Putin who has called into question the wisdom of having democracy in the UK in the first place on the basis that much of the public is ‘low information’, xenophobic and didn’t know what they were voting for in the 2016 referendum. It is the Remainer elite that has done all of that. It takes industrial levels of chutzpah for these people to accuse others of undermining British democracy when that has been their sole, obsessive aim for four years.

Indeed, even their chattering-class conspiracy theory about Russia is more damaging to British democracy than Russia itself. It fuels an entirely anti-democratic narrative. It spreads suspicion about the largest act of free and fair democracy this country has ever seen. Worse, it implies (and sometimes openly states) that ordinary voters are dim and suggestible, open to manipulation by foreign actors. This constant diminution of the moral and mental autonomy of voters calls into question the entire principle of democracy – which is that all of us have the capacity, and ought to have the right, to weigh up political matters and make a decision about them.

They need to stop. They can’t, but they at least have to try. Their conspiracy theory is damaging trust in democracy, and their four-year rage against the electorate is undermining people’s sense of being real democratic citizens. If you want to blame someone for Brexit, forget Russia – blame me and the 17.4million other people who voted for it. We did this. Rationally, consciously and happily, we voted to leave. And we would do it all over again.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

Andrew Levens

27th July 2020 at 7:01 pm

Angela Merkel was responsible for Brexit. In 2015 she invited millions of refugees to europe. They came in their thousands and they were televised rioting at the borders. It was clear many of them wanted to come to the UK and the EU was talking about sharing them out over EU countries. In 2016 we had our referendum. I bet more voters were swayed by her actions and the consequences than any russian socialmedia campaign.

Al Wilson

26th July 2020 at 9:11 pm

”Free speech is under attack from all sides – from illiberal laws, from a stifling climate of conformity, and from a powerful, prevailing fear of being outed as a heretic online, in the workplace, or even among friends, for uttering a dissenting thought. This is why we at spiked are stepping up our fight for speech” So lets ‘moderate’ comments that are not confirming our prejudices for days or never show them.

Al Wilson

26th July 2020 at 3:05 pm

Stop Cancelling culture, freedom of speech, the great clarion calls of spiked -yet comments challenging their narrative are ‘moderated’ for days, often not appearing. Breath taking snowflakey hypocrisy.

James Conner

26th July 2020 at 10:55 am

Brendan wouldn’t have written this hogwash if he knew what happened to me on voting night. I was just about to place my cross in the REMAIN box when three Russians appeared from nowhere, held a knife to my throat, and forced my trembling hand to fill the LEAVE box instead. When I complained to the polling station official he just shrugged and said: “Тебе никто не поверит, тупая английская свинья”.

Alan Burdon

26th July 2020 at 8:17 am

My sadness is that having been out of Britain for so long I was deemed ineligible to vote in the referendum (that non-citizens residing in Britain got a vote didn’t help my annoyance). It would have been a pleasure to add myself to the 17+ million ignoramuses who voted to get back the nation that once was.
What doesn’t come out in these speculations is exactly HOW the Russians were able to brainwash 17.4 million people into thinking that leaving a quasi-totalitarian, undemocratic, elitist, malevolent, blundering behemoth like the EU was a good idea.

Al Wilson

25th July 2020 at 9:05 pm

Five minutes research and its fairly obvious the result was interfered with. Like the weekly flying bombers into our airspace, or the Salisbury poisoners smirking about the cathedral -it’s done in plain sight and they think its funny. ‘Whatcha gonna do about it ?’ Whether its the Koch brothers funding Spiked, Johnson ditching his security detail to spend several nights with ex KGB billionaire Lebedev, we know it’s who pays the piper calls the tune.

Jerry Owen

27th July 2020 at 10:08 am

Can you supply links to the ‘five minutes’ research you have undertaken to prove Russian interference in the referendum?

Sandy Shore

25th July 2020 at 12:22 pm

Imagine being so out of touch with public sentiment that you still think anyone but a Trumpian Rump of oddballs think Brexit is a good idea.

Stuart Warren

25th July 2020 at 12:24 am

I totally agree …it’s a convenient excuse.
The reality though which complicated the issue is that we live in a globalist world where we are all increasingly politicised and of course do opinionate and canvass in foreign elections…we are encouraged to do so, and there’s no law against it as far as I know. And neither should there be, I will be impacted by the forthcoming US election therefore I deserve to have a say!
So is there a line to be drawn between involvement by foreign nationals and foreign governments? Sure, but what’s the real purpose?

Michael Morgan

24th July 2020 at 11:37 pm

There seems to be a trend recently that it is not up to the individual to make a decision or achieve something. Russia is blamed for brexit or racism for people not achieving. Grow up and let’s take responsibility for ourselves

Colin Broughton

24th July 2020 at 8:13 pm

The British and the USA have been engaging in ‘Regime Change’ for the best part of a century.The democratically elected Mossadegh regime in Iran was overthrown by the CIA in the 1950’s at the request of the British. That was about oil, as have been others. And there have been many since, including the current attempts in the Middle East.

So It is mildly amusing when the USA and Britain complain about foreign interference in their own politics.

James E Shaw

24th July 2020 at 6:21 pm

52% of those that voted in the general election voted for parties that were either pro-Remain or for a People’s Vote Brendan. #ProudToHaveMarchedForAPeoplesVoteAndWouldDoSoAgain.

Paul Duffin

25th July 2020 at 12:14 pm

Given the nature of our FPTP system which distorts voting patterns and limits party choice and the fact that each party has dozens if not hundreds of policies that affect whether someone will vote for them you cannot assume that just because a majority voted for parties that support some position that means a majority supports that position. Which was obviously the point you were implying.

If your implication was correct (it isn’t) then in the 1970s at least 90% of voters were in favor of joining the EEC and yet 5 years later that had dropped to around 65%. If course, it could just simply be a reflection that in 1970 every major party was in favor of joining of the EEC so people didn’t really have a choice.

As to your support for the “People’s Vote”, aka the “Do It Again We Didn’t Like The Result Vote”, I presume your ‘democratic’ rational for that is that the people needed a vote on the deal because they didn’t know what form that would take.

If you think that the 1975 referendum was consent to attempt to join the ERM (only to crash out), to sign the Single European Act, Maastricht, Lisbon then you’re not a democrat, you’re a hypocrite.

If you think that we should have had referendums for those then consider this a long awaited correction of those previous “mistakes”, an attempt by some in the political class to make amends for the misbehavior of their predecessors.

I’d be quite happy to have a Constitution similar to Ireland’s that would require referendums for any change to that Constitution which would be required in order to rejoin the EU and sign up to other treaties in order to prevent similar misbehavior in future. Would you?

Jerry Owen

27th July 2020 at 10:10 am

No they didn’t.

Peter Gardner

23rd July 2020 at 11:38 pm

The Remainer elite so despise the average voter that the Russian conspiracy theory reinforces their belief that only they should control government – democracy only results in the wrong people voting, having their way and getting it wrong: the managerial technocrats alone should govern. Hence the Fixed term Parliaments Act 2011, which enabled these ghastly people in Parliament to defy the electorate for so long. It must be repealed as soon as possible after the transition period ends.

James E Shaw

24th July 2020 at 6:18 pm

16.1 million people voted Remain. They are every bit as much the people as the 17.4 million people who voted Leave are.

Jerry Owen

25th July 2020 at 11:23 am

Except they lost!

James Conner

26th July 2020 at 8:42 am

Here’s a question for you. Which of the following numbers is larger: 16.1 million or 17.4 million?
Take your time.

S. Garside

23rd July 2020 at 11:31 pm

Excellent article, if a little hyperbolic, but only a little. Several nails were hit on the head.

This “Russia” argument: Would these Remainiac fools be the same who call others who point(ed) out Cold War-era Soviet “Active Measures”/Agitprop/Cultural-Subversion (via APN/Novosti, etc) a “conspiracy theory”? Why the change in tune now? Now the original “interference” was real: Woke, PC, BLM, anti-“Whiteness”; the list goes on.

Remembering that Russia is not the same thing as Soviet, what does Russia supposedly gain from this?
Previously, the Soviets wanted to spread a form of Marxism-Leninism, and grow their Empire – but Russia, now?!

Clutching at straws to try and make the World make sense.

Darth Saddius

23rd July 2020 at 10:46 pm

Here’s an idea. Why not have a referendum on joining or not the EU every 5 years or leaving or not leaving the EU – as relevant to the situation in hand? People in favour of direct democracy surely can’t object? Can they?

Peter Gardner

23rd July 2020 at 11:31 pm

Of course they can. A referendum every 5 years would either cause instability and decline because things like treaties are generally long term – the EU would not take negotiations seriously and no-one would invest in UK, or it would lead to extremely low turn outs because people would get bored with the question. Scientifically one cannot empirically test options other than by trying one thing at a time. We have had 40 odd years of EU which has demonstrably led to decline in may ways. Now we need need a long period of independence to see if those trends reverse and to prove the posited benefits of independence. If it doesn’t work out we can change our minds but it will take at least 20 years to find out. Also the EU is changing and deliberately becoming less democratic, which contributed to Brexit. It plans new treaties in 2025 and then the founding of the Federal State f europe in about 2030 at which point it will be, in effect another nation state. Wait until 2030-2035 to see whether you want to join it. If you join before then you won’t ever be allowed to leave again even if you want to. So 2035 is the earliest date another referendum should be held.

Darth Saddius

24th July 2020 at 10:44 am

Thank you for your response. I wasn’t really making a pro or anti-EU point. More a general point about direct democracy/referenda etc. I take your point about the difficulties of running back to back referenda but I am uncomfortable with the idea of things being set in stone – generally, not with specific reference to leave/remain. Say that the result had been 52/48 percent in favour of remain I would consider it to have been wrong/undemocratic for the winning side to say that’s your lot for the next 40 years. For practical reasons your 10 year time cycle seams not unreasonable.

More generally I don’t know whether leaving the EU will be beneficial to the UK in the short/medium/long term. It may turn out swimmingly, it may be a disaster or somewhere in between these two. I would argue that there are way too many variables to predict the outcome. Any succssful prediction would be a successful guess. My argument is for flexibility. If it turns out that leaving gives good results generally then there will be no pressure from below for a new referendum and the question remains academic. If on the other hand things go badly and people rightly or wrongly perceive that Brexit is the cause, then if pressure comes from below, this time aimed at the Brexit elite as opposed to the Remain elite then a referendum would be justifiable. As to the question whether membership of the EU has accelerated, reduced or had no effect on our national decline that seems to me to be one of those unanswerable ‘parallel universe’ questions.

Jerry Owen

24th July 2020 at 12:05 pm

Darth
Had the referendum been in favour of ‘remain’ I would have been gutted but accepted that I would be in the EU for decades.. even to see me out.
The rabid remainers unfortunately are just not as democratically minded as me.

Darth Saddius

24th July 2020 at 2:34 pm

Replying to Jerry Owens post. I think you are selling yourself a bit short. Had it been 52/48 remain I think you would have been entirely reasonable in hoping for or campaigning for another referendum within a shorter period of time than a generation. Again I stress I’m not making a pro/anti Brexit point*. As long as those campaigning remained within the law then I can see no objection. Likewise I can see no objection to someone campaigning for a referendum to rejoin as long as they stay within the law. I can’t myself see such a referendum happening any time soon if at all, but in a democracy the option should be there both for well, democratic reasons and more cynically/practically as a way back in if Brexit turns out to be as much use as a one legged man at an arse-kicking contest.

*To declare an interest, on the day of the referendum I was split 50/50 about whether I favoured leave or remain. I’ve always been a teensy weensy bit indecisive.

Bastard Man

24th July 2020 at 12:28 am

Every five years? You are confident that the EU will still be around in five years.

Darth Saddius

24th July 2020 at 10:48 am

I have absolutely no idea whether the EU will be here in 5 years or indeed any other political entity. It might, it might not. I wasn’t making a pro or anti EU comment, more an argument for flexibility. Please see my response to Peter Gardner’s reply to me where I go on perhaps ad nauseam about this.

christopher barnard

23rd July 2020 at 10:44 pm

Intolerant and irrational people often tell us of unlikely causes for things they don’t like.

My mum and dad were alive when the fascists came to power in Germany. They are alive now.

It doesn’t take long for humans to repeat the same blunders.

Less than a lifetime.

Brandy Cluster

23rd July 2020 at 10:11 pm

Brendan right on the case. Again. The Left and the Remainers are proving to be dangerous totalitarians who’ve self-described as elites. Think Bolshevik elite if you want a mental image of these ruthless self-serving dictators amongst us.

Patrick O’Dowd

23rd July 2020 at 10:42 pm

He certainly doesn’t let up on his hate campaigns, such is his obsessed personality.

Darth Saddius

23rd July 2020 at 10:44 pm

Bolsheviks. As in Trotsky. Hmmm. It is instructive to google ‘Brendan O’Neill Trotsky’. For example the following comes up:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2015/09/29/trotsky-vs-corbyn/

Which includes the following gem. ‘Of all the great Marxist thinkers, none has been defamed as thoroughly as Leon Trotsky, commander of the Red Army and then implacable enemy of Stalinism, who was exiled from the Soviet Union and finally murdered by Stalin’s agents in 1940.’

Just in case you are wondering unlike Mr O’Neill I’m no fan of Trotsky who was just Stalin with better taste in books.

Darth Saddius

24th July 2020 at 10:51 am

Trotsky was a bolshevik. It is instructive to search this website for references to Trotsky. He is held in very great esteem by the author of this column.

Izzy Bright

23rd July 2020 at 10:01 pm

How about an investigation about all the remainder NGOs, Academics etc who received funding from Brussels and campaigned actively to remain.

Bastard Man

23rd July 2020 at 10:09 pm

Hear, hear. The amount of money taken from us without any legislative consent (see Gladstone) and given to people to defend em is ludicrous.

Izzy Bright

23rd July 2020 at 9:56 pm

Good article. I knew in the 80s that we should leave the EU. Many others too had made up their minds before the referendum campaign.

Any Anderson

23rd July 2020 at 9:53 pm

Let me sum up the mundane reality of Brexit.

Brexit voting dad, July 2020: “have you seen the price of cherries year year? It’s a joke. ‘

That’s the mundane reality of Brexit in my perfectly ordinary family – a Brexiter, 4 years after his glorious victory, not buying cherries as they’re a tad too pricey.

Brexit is literally like a man going to B&Q to buy the tap his wife has instructed to get, going up to the counter in the shop and then being told “we’re out of stock.” then the man goes home and his wife says “bloody typical”.

I just sigh when a wealthy man on the telly tells my family to make the most of the opportunities of leaving the EU – the man might as well be telling the women of England to give up doing jobs they mostly dislike and become world class magicians instead. ‘Go for it, girls !”

Brexit is so mundane that it is like going online to book an Isle of Wight car ferry ticket – no one finds it thrilling and no working class family has ever said ‘Well that was good value. Tad more expensive than last year. Fantastic.”

Brexit is like a mum buying a laptop off Littlewoods, knowing full well that if she had the cash she could get something better for less but “He wants one for Christmas and this is only credit I can get.”

Mundane stuff, is this Brexit.

Any Anderson

23rd July 2020 at 9:56 pm

* ‘Have you seen the price of cherries this year?’

– Brexit voter. South of England. July 2020. Speaking to his Brexit voting sister. Both retired.

Jim Denham

23rd July 2020 at 9:50 pm

O’Neill: stooge, dupe … or Useful Idiot?

Bastard Man

23rd July 2020 at 9:28 pm

I’ve wanted to leave the EU since the whole EU Constitution referendum debacle in the mid 2000s when I was a teenager. And they tell me I was tricked to vote to leave? Bitter, pathetic people who can’t stand being free.

Any Anderson

23rd July 2020 at 9:37 pm

But your comment suggests you’re not actually one of the brightest men in the land, mate.

No woman in England has gone online to suggest everyone in the country who voted leave was tricked, rather adults deal with the possibility that some of the 17 million voters were exposed to factually inaccurate information.

Look at this way: For all we know you’re an expert on just in time delivery systems and troll farms and the facts about bendy bananas – but you’re not every Brexit voter.

No one suggests that you’re a nuisance neighbour but sometimes British adults have to discuss nuisance neighbours because they are a thing.

I have had to explain all this to you, despite you being convinced you’re smarter than average. Think about that.

Why didn’t you work this out for yourself and then keep quiet instead of posting a comment?

You’re an expert on the EU? Fantastic. But not everyone in the U.K. was or is.

Bastard Man

24th July 2020 at 12:37 am

I don’t know, I tested high on my IQ (140) when my school had me sent to the shrink, I went to one of the top five unis, I got first class with hons in my BA and inertia and tiredness with academia stop me from going further because I can just write and publish without playing the uni game. Seems to me that all metrics say I’ve at least got a bit of grey matter up there, even if I do my best to kill it with booze and tobacco.

Any Anderson

23rd July 2020 at 8:38 pm

The problem with BON, Rod Liddle et al is that they like to pretend 17 million people can do something from the same position of rationality and intelligence. 17 million brexit voters = 17 million people who were well informed, wise, confident…

That’s utter nonsense, of course, as any Brit with Brexit voting friends/relatives well understands.

Not every Brexit voting shop assistant or semi-retired football hooligan or dentist or poverty stricken pensioner or mini-can driver was actually an expert on, say, WTO trade back in June 2016. Ignorance was rampant, as was brexiter lies and delusions, not to mention the disgusting disinformation on social media.

17 million is a lot of people which means lots of outliers, oddballs, eccentrics etc etc etc. That’s just statistics.

17 million voters = at least one of them was so bloody thick that she said to her husband “the EU wants to ban our tea bags.” At least one.

if 17 million people buy a 1980s copy of The Sun and look at a topless woman I can tell you that a percentage of the Male readers, and a smaller percentage of the female readers will masturbate to that photo if they have the house, office or factory toilet or car park to themselves.

I am not interested in any sub-GCSE theory that ‘of course Sun readers wouldn’t masturbate to page 3 pictures of teenagers – that’s a leftist elite Guardianista smear.”

Brendan refuses to deal with the fact that a significant percentage of Brexit voters were/are cretins. Hilariously, for a man who complains that the young are too woke and politically correct, Brendan can’t handle the mundane truth.

Rod Liddle’s column on this topic of Russian interference in today’s Sun is grade A garbage – further proof that when a spikey Brexiter gets on his high horse to speak to the masses, it helps if their vote audience is thick as mince.

Spiked is in fact a perfect example of a British website that attracts English people who vastly over-estimate their own intelligence. Brendan can’t admit that and there’s absolutely no engagement with the Spiked team to any of the sub-GCSE garbage comments that their fans post here and on their twitter feed.

The Leave.EU team at least understood their core audience from day one – tabloid reading fuckwits who like to call Germans “Krauts”. Brendan lacks their insight, despite Brendan’s belief that he’s one of the most intelligent men of his generation.

Any man who tells me that 17 million people are all of the same type (“fearless” or whatever other bollocks attribute a journalist wishes to bestow on the voters he approves of) is simply inviting me to respond with “Grow up and get real, you pillock”.

We all mix with Brexit voters in real life. We bloody well know they’re not all experts on just in time manufacturing, the exporting/importing of medicines or the history of Northern Ireland. We’ve listened to Brexit voters talking nonsense for years now.

Gareth Evans

24th July 2020 at 2:26 pm

You’re rather missing the point, there are plenty of cretins on both sides.

You either believe in democracy and honouring votes or you don’t.

James Clark

23rd July 2020 at 7:38 pm

Cheer up Brendan, the Remainer elite aren’t a threat because we’ve taken back control, we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. That’s what the Brexit vote was about and that vote has now been honoured, surely?

Bastard Man

23rd July 2020 at 9:29 pm

Yep, but we got a whole political system of sychophants to dismantle first. They’ve been around since the 1960s too. Lots of work ahead.

James Clark

23rd July 2020 at 9:46 pm

Which political party are you going to vote for that’s going to this dismantling, or are you going to start your own?

Bastard Man

24th July 2020 at 3:08 am

Hah, been there, got the scars. Democracy is a full contact sport. You have to be in it to win it. Course it’s got it’s flaws too.

Bros Bro

23rd July 2020 at 7:15 pm

Whether or not Russia swung it for the Brexiteers is debatable. Theres little doubt however, that Moscow were delighted with the result and I’m sure they let the British diplomats know. Brexit with its possibly resulting future break up of Europe and maybe even the U.S is a gift those who hate the west could only have dreamed of. A divided enemy is always easier to conquer.

Bastard Man

23rd July 2020 at 9:30 pm

We’re not divided. We can just ally together to face off the Ruskies if we need to. In fact we did, it’s called NATO. Why do we need to abandon all democracy and dismantle the UK into a collection of EU federal regions to face a paper tiger that has a smaller economy than Italy?

Bros Bro

24th July 2020 at 6:10 am

A divided Europe makes it much easier for the Russians to have influence on individual nation states and also bolster “agents” into positions of influence and authority.

Gordon O Gopher

23rd July 2020 at 6:40 pm

Well if it wasn’t the Russians then it was aliens in some mass abduction. I mean there’s no way anyone could vote out of a club that shafts the majority of the working population. Anyway, they didn’t know what they were voting for – Danny Dyer said.

Vishal Nathwani

23rd July 2020 at 6:30 pm

There should be an investigation into the links between Islamic State and the Remain campaign. Even if there is no evidence, let’s just assume it exists. If no investigation is conducted then let’s assume Remainers are hiding something. Let’s just link the two as to demonize the Remain voters.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 9:01 pm

Doesn’t stop your Brexit being economic bull**** though.

Vishal Nathwani

23rd July 2020 at 6:29 pm

There should be an investigation into the links between the Islamic State and the remain campaign. Even if there isn’t any evidence or possible evidence let’s just assume it exists.
Let’s just link the two so it demonises the remain camp

Bros Bro

23rd July 2020 at 10:08 pm

I’m sure ISIS were as happy as the Russians were with the Brexit result. Dividing the enemy

James Clark

23rd July 2020 at 5:48 pm

Having urged Remainers to accept the Brexit result, Brexiteers now refuse to accept that Remainers have done so. This whine from the likes of Brendan O’Neill and Daniel Hannan seems never ending.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 6:51 pm

Well said, James.

Jerry Owen

23rd July 2020 at 6:56 pm

The term ‘remoaners’ refers to those that haven’t accepted the result rather like the creature here with the narcissist name ZP.
The vast majority of remain voters accept they lost.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 8:16 pm

JERRY OWEN – I’ve accepted the result completely. I’ve also accepted that Scotland will within 10-15 years be a fully independent nation and that Wales will follow. The Six Counties will, of course, be given back to the Republic of Ireland. What then will the world make of a much diminished (and chastened) England, and, I suspect, a much chastened and diminished ‘Jerry Owen’.

SAOR ALBA

Any Anderson

23rd July 2020 at 9:07 pm

All remain voters accept we lost.

It goes like this, in most ordinary families:

Remainer. ‘Seen that new lorry park they’re building in Kent?”
Brexiter relative ‘Yeah. ‘
Remainer “There’s a new episode of Perry Mason on Sky. Want to watch it?’
Brexiter “Yeah. I’ll just bring the washing in.”

Only online, on websites like this one, are a tiny minority of obnoxious and arrogant and ignorant Brexit voters obsessed with the idea that everyone else is trying to ruin their lives and their precious Brexit.

Gerry Mander

23rd July 2020 at 5:47 pm

Patrick O’Dowd contaminates these comments with his Irish bile, whilst kow-towing to Brussels, poor lad. His disgusting comments in calling other posters “scumbags” is typical of a certain type of bog Irishman who is capable only of digging ditches.

Patrick O’Dowd

23rd July 2020 at 6:14 pm

I call a spade a spade – that’s all.
If you don’t like these people being called scumbags then you should ask them to change their behaviour. Unless you enjoy reading hateful malice ridden stuff, or maybe you’re incapable of seeing it for what it is?

Finbarr Bruggy

23rd July 2020 at 5:18 pm

It is time to move on, Brendan. Brexit won. There is nothing new about foreign interference. As a kid in the 60s I remember reading my mum’s Daily Express and its demented claims that the KGB was trying to swing the 64 and 66 elections in Labour’s favour. The only difference today is social media. Foreigners always interfere in elections – it’s a fact of life.

Gerry Mander

23rd July 2020 at 5:25 pm

Remember Obama coming to Britain not once, but twice to try to persuade us to stay in the EU? What about the Dirty Digger and his vile papers trying to influence everything in this country.
We have secret ballots which is just as well!!

Izzy Bright

23rd July 2020 at 9:53 pm

Of course.obama was obviously roped in by Cameron to tell the UK it would be back of the queue. He interfered more than Russia.

Brandy Cluster

23rd July 2020 at 10:13 pm

We in Australia got lectures from Obama about the state of our Great Barrier Reef (which is doing OK, by the way). In fact, all Obama did was lecture. He loved the sound of his own voice.

Patrick O’Dowd

23rd July 2020 at 4:59 pm

All that this article illustrates is that BoN is incapable of moving on from Brexit. Clearly his obsessive anti-EU hate campaigning is what gives him a reason to get up in the morning.

Russia is an unpleasant authoritarian state as per its activities in Crimea, Syria, the Skripals illustrate, but BoN can only see things through a Brexit prism. Purin doesn’t care who wins so long as the process is characterised by discord and doubt and that democratic processes and outcomes are distrusted.

Dominic Straiton

23rd July 2020 at 5:05 pm

And you can only see what you want to see through your own eu prism. Plus your really boring.

Gerry Mander

23rd July 2020 at 5:27 pm

Patrick you constantly post utter tripe about the dysfunctional EU. Why doesn’t your Pope help you overturn our vote?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 7:09 pm

Well said, Patrick. BON is prone to hate-filled rants directed against imaginary enemies – a bit like like A dolf in his bunker!

Peter Gardner

24th July 2020 at 12:05 am

You seem to be pre-occupied with the evil doings of Putin. Brendan O’Neill is saying he had no influence on Brexit so is not a factor in the vote. It follows that what else he does is neither here nor there in the context of the vote for Brexit. His point is that it is only Remainers who claim Putin’s influence on Leavers is the reason the vote went the wrong way. They lost the argument fair and square. So Remainers argue Leavers are the sort who are sympathetic to Putin. You are rather proving his point.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 4:37 pm

I don’t know what BON is banging on about. The vast majority of Remainers (including myself) have accepted the result of the referendum and moved on. The vast majority of Remainers do not believe that Russia swung the result of the 2016 referendum. I have no idea whether Russia influenced the 2016 referendum. The crucial task now is to mitigate the inevitable negative economic effects of leaving the world’s largest trading bloc without a credible alternative in place.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 4:32 pm

‘The Remainer elite poses a far greater threat to British democracy than Vladimir Putin does.’ —

Not any more. Has BON not noticed that the Brexits are in charge now? That means they have to own any damage to the UK economy directly attributable to Brexit. Will they do so? No, they’ll blame it on the Remainers, the EU or foreigners in general.

Bella Donna

23rd July 2020 at 4:17 pm

I was surprised to find the news awash with “it woz the Russians who did it” , I thought we had got passed all that. After WuHuFlu has, with governments help, wrecked our lives to then suddenly discover the Russians are once more the bogeyman is ludicrous. Its time the Remoaners shut up or pack up and leave the rest of us in peace.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

23rd July 2020 at 4:32 pm

You ‘won’. Why are you still moaning?

Bastard Man

24th July 2020 at 12:29 am

Er, because we still haven’t left the EU entirely yet, ole Zenobia? And people like you are trying to drag us back in? Funny how fast things can go in one direction, and yet in the other, it takes half a decade…

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

24th July 2020 at 1:18 pm

BASTARD MAN — Nobody is trying to ‘drag’ you back into the EU. How on earth can Remainers now stop Brexit? The answer is that they can’t. The referendum result is final. The Brexiters are in charge. We will have left the EU completely by 1 January 2021. You are paranoid and delusional. You see enemies everywhere.

Jonathan Palmer

23rd July 2020 at 3:38 pm

But simultaneously we were told that we were old, uneducated and out of touch. So clearly we couldn’t master computers and get onto social media to hear the Russian propaganda.
Make up your minds lads.

Andy Paul

23rd July 2020 at 3:14 pm

Of course the quite brazen interference from the then President of the United States or the head of the IMF was somehow acceptable

NEIL DATSON

23rd July 2020 at 3:58 pm

Yes Andy. And the odd thing is that there is no doubt that Obama did have an influence. I know one man who was wavering, but when Obama was wheeled out by Cameron to tell us how to vote he decided that he would vote the other way. One voter obviously proves nothing about Obama’s influence either way, but his attempt to influence was a product of the kind of ‘we, the elite, know best’ mindset that characterises all the prominent Remainiacs.

Patrick O’Dowd

23rd July 2020 at 7:22 pm

Cameron asked Obama to make a speech that he hoped would help him out.

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23rd July 2020 at 2:49 pm

Great article and well worth the read for the delicious “industrial levels of chutzpah”. What an exquisite turn of phrase.

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23rd July 2020 at 8:49 pm

industrial levels of something when we see brexiters in Kent whinging about the massive fucking lorry park disrupting their house prices.

‘You won, get over it” will hopefully be the message from their MP.

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CJ Hawes

23rd July 2020 at 1:35 pm

Brendan – when you refer to Remainer elite are you talking of a minority of remainer voters or the whole lot? It comes across as the latter but would be better used to highlight that it is now a stubborn minority within the original minority that continues to bleat about brexit (and various other things by some obscure connection). Getting into the article, I’ve mentioned in commenting on a related Spiked article that until examples are provided of what has been done then there is no discussion to be had. If it is simply social media propaganda that has been peddled then so what about Russian influence. There’s so much crap out there that hardly anyone is influenced by it due to information overload. People tend to register and identify with material that reflects their usually firmly held beliefs and so we end up with little or no impact. Simples.

Paul Robson

23rd July 2020 at 3:38 pm

I think this is fair comment. Problem is those vocal remainers are and get disproportionate coverage on the media. So people think of them as representative of the whole.

Other examples are the Scot Nats and LetsTryAndUseBlackProblemsToBullyOurWayIntoPower

a watson

23rd July 2020 at 1:09 pm

Great article. I now realise the contempt that democracy is held in at the BBC and the Labour Party let alone the likes of the electoral commission and judiciary. The arrogance of these organisations is blinding them from the reality that we no longer trust or have confidence in them to represent us. The Tories realised this prior to the election; with a lot of nudging from Farage. I cannot understand what they think they can achieve by continually going against the democratic wishes of the British electorate apart from making themselves more and more out of touch with reality.

a watson

23rd July 2020 at 1:16 pm

Plus continually provoking conflict. Anything is used and twisted to claim the rightfulness of their position – Trump, BLM, the economy, racism, covid etc.all used as justification for the condemnation of our decision to leave the EU.

fret slider

23rd July 2020 at 11:47 am

“we voted to leave. And we would do it all over again”

And that is why they will at some point find a way of suspending democracy. The Greens believe that democracy gets in the way of [climate] action, and actually favours the Chinese model.

Tomorrow the Public Obedience Test begins. Who will fail to mask up, who will take any action?

Mor Vir

23rd July 2020 at 11:45 am

It is an attempt to delegitimise the Brexit vote, and moreover to externalise it from the society. Not only is the Brexit vote ‘wrong’ but it never really happened as a political decision by the demos of this society. Rather Russia corrupted the process, made it illegitimate and a non-event as a democratic UK decision. The Brexit vote never really happened at all – the external actor as the basis of the denial of historical reality. Down the memory hole with the Brexit vote. ‘What Brexit vote?’

Andrew Mawdsley

23rd July 2020 at 1:16 pm

Completely agree Mor, but it is hilarious to see the likes of Barry Sheerman, Jolyon Maugham et al having apoplexy because we chose to disagree with them. Spoilt children, who’ve had their way for far too long, being given a lesson in direct democracy.

Long may it continue.

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