Why white working-class boys are so lost

Boris is no liberterian but a feckless,weak and vacillating disappointment…

Don’t forget “toxic masculinity”. Pity anybody who has sons these days – white sons, that is.

A half-blind cat could have seen that this would happen to the white working class; propaganda has been used to beat white people for two generations now. Better-educated people have ways around it – making money! – but the working class cannot. As you sew….

And the yuppification of London saw Edmonton Turkish and black people move out barking and also Victims, so White Working class moved from London as they were turfed out demographically and the area they went to the London as Thor areas didn’t have the houses shops and Brixton had waitrose coffee bars vegetarian restaurants out,

the economy union jobs and well good the industry of society goods
voting for what they’ve done
And the working class culture resulted in these gammons having daughters and those gammon daughter Karen’s ought to keep their mouth shut up
For the sake of diversity when they’re raped by Muslims,

If Labour do lose the next election it’ll have to ask itself to win in 2029 will it need to repeal the equality act
At the moment Labour would sooner be in permanent opposition than scrap the equality act

Labour was happy to go with the flow, the white working class were racist , as in its drive to get Middle class votes , it would appeal to some , and it reckoned the working class after having this insult put on them, had nowhere else to go, This Extended in Ed Milibands time as Miliband had rationalised the working class tory who wanted Brexit was racist wouldn’t vote labour(Assuming if they were EU sceptic they still wouldn’t be bothered about the offer of A referendum, so didn’t put it in the manifesto) and there would be a spilt in the Tory vote by going to Ukip And Ex young Middle class Libdems dismayed at the Coalition would vote Labour he figured those Libdems into Identity politics would be impressed by Extending the IOPC to replace IPCC (police complaints to have positive discrimination ,) the Ed stone refusing to pose with the Sun newspaper football competition , appointing Doreen Lawrence as a Peeress, In fact some of the Libdems who came over to Labour were supportive Emily Thornberrys snobbery towards the St Georges flag arguing the flag was used by racists therefore was racist,
With Ed miliband following the New labour or later Corbynite view of not getting the Working class vote thinking there was a progressive majority As Asian ex Libdems wouldn’t dare vote Tory but in Both Dagenham And Ilford North in 2015 they did (despite this we actually got Labour seats there and although the vote fell in 2017 in Dagenham due to a now 2 horse race the percentage went up) So Labour would always Let the dwindling working class vote it already had,

, Angela Rayner commented White boys are falling behind ,yet was criticised in as much as I admire Jenna David this was seen as a pointless thing to go up but was also repeated by Ava Vidall ,

Yet the feeling call the white working class racist as we can ignore minorites being racist or Anti-Semitism let alone the facts there’s probably more middle class white racists than Working class ones also has a dangerous affect of making the white working class see they don’t get anything be in grants form Lefty mayors or Unions who want to know where the money comes from, plus ,their council housing going so they’re moved to the coast like Clacton Essex
and the Demographics of those left behind in the areas that’ll never be the same when the oldens move out. To not Let the white working class in the areas of Waitrose or wine bars that have been yuppified as its’ seen as the stay behind “Well they don’t exist then do they” yet the Middle class voters in the areas get what they want,

In fairness to The Liberal left feeling that if a working class tory who voted Labour a generation ago felt labour too Liberal it wasn’t worth chasing, when David blunkett was Home Secretary and wrote for the sun with A Almost fascistic view he’d occasionally meet a bloke day you’re great Like your views “the peoples Home Secretary” I’d never vote labour of course” But trying to be too authoritarian that must of put off liberal labour voters and its had never gained labour votes in return,
The beginning of the end of the labour relationship with the working class went back to Ken livingstone pointing out that the Labour movement with the macho trade union methodist working men’s club, route to get their preferred candidates as union bosses working with block votes their way up the ranks to be the ones in charge, even though Barbara castle against AWS it normally meant White Working class Mn would get in, as such unions weren’t in favour of the race relations or equal pay acts and Callaghan as Home Secretary made the police extempt from race relations, to the point when the SDP quit and the GLC were trying to get their token black members to call the SDP racist, as they had White working class Men who may be racist in it, they also had the point, Labour also Thought the Middle class who came back from the SDP and started again to vote labour 30 years ago as it was in their best interest as the Labour party gave public sector workers better pensions and the Labour Party then thinking it had the black and Gay vote was that it didn’t need the working class vote as it was already there and ignored the Working Class vote for so long that it went away

It’s all very well blaming teachers but parents have responsibility too.

An open question. Do white working class parents value education as much as parents of other socio-economic and racial groups? The answer, sadly, is often ‘no’.

I attended primary and secondary schools in the 60s. The emphasis for boys then was not exclusively on progressing to university. Coal, steel, construction, car manufacturing and agriculture etc and public services were the main industries in the area hence our education was in part geared towards employment in any of these sectors. Although I excelled in art, English and history and my art teacher urged me to set my sights on going to art college. Exams then were a do or die approach. No modular studying at home with the marks added to the final result, an approach that suited boys but not girls. The resultant gap wherein the girls lagged behind was addressed in a way that has completely reversed the situation. Where art college was concerned, my parents decided that I ought to learn a trade instead and therefore enlisted me for technical college. Most of my male peers followed the same route. Now retired, I’ve no regrets about the path my parents chose for me and later chose myself. I feel sorry for today’s generation of boys that have been betrayed by an education system that worked well before it was tinkered with albeit with some good intentions.

In London, besides socially cleansing the white working class from whole areas and introducing tens of thousands of immigrant families, the Labour councils actively encourage prejudice against the white working class British male – especially if he is articulate. It is in their interests to keep local white boys illiterate – they would not be able to deride them to their BAME electorate if they allowed them any kind of democratic voice. Evil, ignorant and corrupt snobs.

I’d be wary of pushing a narrative that it is unreasonable to bring in mandatory masks at this stage because we didn’t have to wear them before. It is a good idea that we adjust our response to the virus as new data emerges.
The problem is for me is that I no longer have the slightest bit of confidence in the Government’s ability to assess the relevant data on the virus and lockdown issues and their interaction with other important variables and coming up with reasonable policy.

I’d love to hear a podcast that tackled the links between a health service free at the point of use, the infringement of personal liberty and the new obesity reducing drive, and the idea, mostly covert, that the health service should be limitlessly funded for all illness and disease.

I was surprised when I helped out with reading at the local I & J school that working class boys were still illiterate at age 10. They had no actually problems such as dyslexia , the teachers just couldn’t be bothered with them, girls were easier to teach. Obviously these boys could not deal with the curriculum at secondary school and usually became trouble-makers. If I were in charge of education I would not let them change schools until they reached the required levels in the 3 R’s and I would charge each teacher ( from their wage ) to pay for crammer schools. Seconday school education also doesn’t need to be so University based. Why not teach more skills, including teaching pupils to drive and how to fix cars and bikes? This isn’t going to happen because those in charge love creating these failures who are surplus to requirement.

how are we defining “lost”?

Poverty? Attainment? Opportunity? Ambition?

A healthy, white, English speaking, heterosexual Male in England has opportunities, obviously.

One of my mates went to prison for drug dealing but he had the same opportunities at school as the girls who never got into selling MDMA for a Saturday night profit.

I know he had the same opportunities because I can remember him in some of my classes. Our white, English speaking teachers certainly never hid books or tools from him nor did they encourage him to pursue a career in illegal activities when there was money to be made legally by getting qualifications and then a job.

If a white, English speaking boy doesn’t want a career in British retail, healthcare, catering, the arts, the sciences, tech, media, sport, the clergy, the army, navy, agriculture, tourism, banking, video games, journalism, engineering, mechanics, hairdressing, comedy, building, property, logistics, politics or anything else that white men do to earn money then yes, sure, he’s doomed.

My working class, white cousin earns about 270k a year now. He was motivated by money and career and as a white, heterosexual, English speaking Male from Essex he had no problem whatsoever finding the other white males in Sussex, Essex, Hampshire and London who would train him up and give him references and hire him. His mother never had those opportunities 30 years earlier and his East London grandmother certainly did not have anything even remotely like his opportunities.

Did I imagine it or did masks become mandatory after c19 rates went right down – and the rates then shot back up again, doubled, after masks were brought in?

I should also add that since 64% of people did not wear masks before the mandatory thing that we were the MAJORITY and mask wearers were the minority. It should have been kept as was!

Covid numbers went down drastically without Mandatory mask wearing and as I recall only about 36% of Brits wore them, so I do not see mandatory masks as the reason Covid will suddenly disappear. Sadly there does not seem to be any notion of what success of wearing masks will be. Mandatory masks are unnecessary.

I cannot agree with Chris or Brendan being snide about people who do see the mandatory bit as being against their civil liberties. The state has no business telling people what to wear! Very disappointed with those comments.

I shopped in Aldi and Morrison’s without a mask on Wednesday, and yes I was the only person not wearing a mask. As it happens I am exempt as I have asthma, and I had my patter ready in case anyone spoke to me about it. As it was it was fine, didn’t feel I got any adverse reaction from any other people there. I have no plans to shop until next week, when I shall yet again get up my courage to go “maskless”.

Because white male privilege is a myth.

And because progressives are a bit dim. They can tell the difference between black and white and man and woman but class needs a bit more thinking.

And finally because if you don’t measure class then wealthy middle class whites are in the same group as working class whites which makes the middle class look less privileged so they don’t have to feel as guilty.