‘We are in book-burning territory’

Julia Hartley-Brewer joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss the recent explosion of woke idiocy.


Julia Hartley-Brewer, host of talkRADIO’s breakfast show, joins spiked’s editor for the latest episode of The Brendan O’Neill Show. They discuss the BLM cultural revolution, the war on free speech and what the silent majority can do about it

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Stephanie smith

4th July 2020 at 10:06 pm

Julia calls people stupid. Perhaps she would like to explain how she is an authority on what happens in the criminal justice system. She knows nothing. Will never have been arrested because of who she is. Brendon ignorant too of what is going on. The call for the statues to come down is coming from the universities, the elites, the trendies, and has been hijacked by the British state because they want people to focus on the past rather than the present. Instead of focusing on all the abuses going on now, the fact the police are there to protect the big corporations and the elites, not lower class whites or blacks. No the state wants to keep the focus on statues of the past. Brendon and Julia need to look into things more deeply. Of course the police will treat those two with respect. You two are so out of touch. You are both conditioned yourselves.

Jack Sprat

4th July 2020 at 5:10 pm

I should have added 2 things ….a) if you can’t beat them join them like Li by joining the mob and displaying purity by baying their slogans even louder to keep your job but retaining at the back of your mind decency and common sense. Or b) if you can afford to lose your job and have your collar felt by PC plod become expert in equality and free speech legislation and use the law against the mob and those that seek to destroy you as a dissenter.

Jack Sprat

4th July 2020 at 5:01 pm

Just read this week’s Economist Obituary of photographer Li Zhensheng who survived the cultural revolution in China by pretending to be a red guard zealot official photographer whilst photoing the humiliations of academics , statue destruction , and equivalent of tarring and feathering of those that dared to say the world ain’t flat and hid the photos until China emerged to the real world.

We seem to be at the beginning of an equivalent age of red guards book burning intolerance destruction and humiliation where the “progressive “ great and good and politicians and “liberal” press queue to prostrate themselves before the BLM god. For fear of being accused of ism and. Sackings are immediate of anyone who dare voice dissent or take the P.and the far left SWP control the streets with. Their standard bi colour posters with simply the slogan changed to whatever is opportunist to create strife. In society with the hope of bringing down “ white privileged” capitalism.

Who dares say blx to all this and suggest the emperor has no clothes ?

James Knight

30th June 2020 at 6:15 pm

The ugly sight of entitled white privilege out of control:


Brandy Cluster

30th June 2020 at 10:32 pm

They’re losers and there’s zip the state is going to do about it. Today it’s every man/woman for himself!! And the Left brought that upon itself. Delicious irony.

Stef Steer

30th June 2020 at 5:05 pm

I agree with most of what Julia says especially where she sees the issue of diversity quotas and HR policies. I believe most people want fairness that is it, anybody who doesn’t is basically corrupt and sod em really they cause endless harm.

What we desperatey need is an alternative to “diversity and inclusion”. I think that should be “Objectivity, democracy and fairness”. Basically objective outcome measures set at a local level that reward people who achieve them. Yes they can be gamed, yes the objects need careful thought, but yes if everyone knows what is objectively fair then we will get a happier environment. Now obviously objective measures can’t be set for everything, but subjective measures are very much open to bias, so to counter that we need unbiased fair adjudicator so I favour democracy and secret ballots for that job.

Also the bit where Julia says put people who share the tories values in charge in the quango’s and public sector, ok but I have two problems with that. First it will be just back and forth endlessly as governments change. Again I think democracy is the way, lets make these people directly accountable to the public. Second just putting someone in charge can’t change a culture without the ability frankly to fire people (and Boris has already said no austerity so none of this will happen) and that is next to impossible.

Jim Lawrie

30th June 2020 at 8:05 pm

There has been no barrier to Indians and Chinese entering the IT market. Never has been. They are good enough. Those not good enough do not enter.
Let the market decide. Legislate, and tribunals, commissars, race hustlers is the result.


30th June 2020 at 3:59 pm

Maybe we could start by burning JK Rowling’s sub-literary Harry Potter nonsense.

Jonathan Marshall

30th June 2020 at 3:16 pm

“When you’re no longer a victim you’re no more use to the Social Justice Warriors”
That sentence sums the whole thing up admirably. Well said Julia H-B!

Brandy Cluster

30th June 2020 at 10:34 pm

True to the idea of ‘useful idiots’. Completely.

David J

30th June 2020 at 3:00 pm

‘The Author’ magazine, journal of the Society of Authors has caught the plague, with the latest issue devoting its inside cover to the matter, printed (‘clever SoA’) white text on black ground.

The staff and Management Committee put their name to it, though have not had the wit or wisdom to ask members their views.

It’s quite cleverly worded, avoiding BLACK LIVES MATTER, instead choosing Black lives matter.

Or maybe that’s just being mealy-mouthed. Either way, another bandwagon jumped on, and at least one author considering whether or not to renew his membership.

Barbara Baker

30th June 2020 at 2:46 pm

Brendan and Julia are my go to voices of sanity in all this madness…. could not help but laugh out loud at the insanity of having to stand up for sensible debate. I therefore really must be the transphobic, racist Karen that I am told I am! Unless I choose to identify as a bloke…..
Carry on the excellent work – humour is alive and well even if comedy is banned.
PS is there a male alternative of a Karen?


30th June 2020 at 3:15 pm


Jerry Owen

30th June 2020 at 1:38 pm

Apparently there is an issue with a lack of law and order in the peoples repugnant of CHAZ, there is a hilarious video on Michael Knowles ( Daily Wire ) YTube channel where a black girl over a microphone is asking for white security volunteers.
Elsewhere the feral soy viets are throwing stones at cars, one car stops, an old boy gets out and chases at the millenials. One girl then joined by others can be heard shouting ‘call the police’.. You couldn’t make it up !

nick hunt

30th June 2020 at 12:19 pm

BLM should be called ‘BlackDeathsMatter’. Becasue the only black lives they care about are the long dead slaves of white US owners and the tiny group dying at the white hands of US law and order. BLM uses dead blacks to further its leftist-race war against white culture and democracy.


30th June 2020 at 3:18 pm

And not a peep out of them concerning the black Papuans CURRENTLY being colonized, enslaved and massacred by ‘yellow’ Indonesians for ‘white’ corporations (esp. Freeport-McMahon).
Are Papuans the ‘wrong’ sort of black?

Mor Vir

30th June 2020 at 11:33 am

If BLM is going to muscle in on the church’s existential moral authority than the church is going to muscle right back in to BLM territory. ‘Hey, we have got a black Jesus now!’

> St Albans Cathedral places painting of the Last Supper with a black Jesus above its altar in solidarity with Black Lives Matter after Church urged to rethink portraying Christ as white

NEW The Dean of the Hertfordshire cathedral has agreed to install the 9ft piece of artwork on the altar after conceding that the church is in a weak position to preach about racial justice.

Justin Welby said Christians should also accommodate global depictions of Jesus which show him as black, Chinese and Middle Eastern.

Embracing this philosophy, St Albans Cathedral in Hertfordshire is covering up its existing altarpiece painting with the high-resolution print which challenges ‘the Western myth’ that Jesus looked European.

Lorna May Wadsworth instead paints Christ as Jamaican-born model Tafari Hinds, which she claims is just as accurate as traditional representations.

It is unclear which existing painting will be covered up to clear space for the painting of black Jesus, but it will not replace Da Vinci’s Last Supper.

The Archbishop also said Canterbury Cathedral would be reviewing its statues to see if they all should be there. – DM

James Knight

30th June 2020 at 11:28 am

It is not just trivia of woke corporations. Two black teenagers were shot in the Seattle CHAZ by their self appointed security. One is dead. Another BLM activist in the US has been charged with murder. Is this what was is meant by “Black Lives Matter” and “defund the police”?

Gordon Te Gopher

30th June 2020 at 12:55 pm

Seattle CHAZ has basically turned into a cult. Apparently loads of them are leaving. Good job too before it goes full Waco.

Brandy Cluster

30th June 2020 at 10:39 pm

All grist for Trump’s mill. The other guy with the dementia still doesn’t know about it yet.

Dominic Straiton

30th June 2020 at 2:54 pm

“Utopia is always approached through a sea of blood, and you never get there”

Brandy Cluster

30th June 2020 at 10:38 pm

Be aware that the corporates who spout ‘woke’ issues are obfuscating; they’re keeping you distracting while they’re off doing less palatable things.

In Australia we’ve had Qantas (gay) Chairman Alan Joyce posturing over diversity, equity and inclusion. The airline is grounded, bleeding money and – voila! – the platitudes of the Woke have gone with the wind!! Gold.

Brandy Cluster

30th June 2020 at 10:38 pm

Edit: “distracted” – like paying little or not tax!!

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