‘There’s a word for what the political elite is doing – treason’

David Starkey talks to Brendan O’Neill about the ‘lying, deceiving shits’ in the establishment.

Topics Brexit Politics UK

Historian and broadcaster David Starkey joins spiked’s editor for the latest episode of The Brendan O’Neill Show. They discuss the betrayal of Brexit, parliament’s anti-democratic history, and the elites’ ‘absolute contempt’ for the people.

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Janet Mozelewski

27th September 2019 at 12:53 am

I think the quickest way of ensuring remainer MP’s stopped conniving with Europe would be to say to them: Fine. We’ll stay in the EU. But naturally, as the EU will run so many of our affairs it means we don’t need anywhere near as many MP’s as we would if we had left. Obviously it is appropriate that the HOC is slimmed down and numbers halved.
I bet that would focus minds.

Jim Galloway

21st September 2019 at 9:30 am

I may be wrong but if I heard DS say,unaccountably,that the SNP MPs had no constituencies,I live in one of them,Glenrothes.

andy leeser

21st September 2019 at 2:09 pm

Jim, I live in Argyll and Bute, so my ears pricked up too, But I don’t think he did say what you tentatively suggest , rather he said that Scottish MPs had a very limited constituency function as such is delivered by MSPs under the current devolved arrangements. He went on to say Sottish MPs therefore have not much to do in Westminster bar cause trouble, which may or may not be ‘true’ dependent on ones views on other matters.

James Walker

19th September 2019 at 10:47 am


‘They have nothing to do……’

(A lot of) money for old rope…….and they don’t want to have to go back to work for a living.

Jean Law

18th September 2019 at 11:24 am

Wonderful David I’m proud of you How refreshing to hear your passion and love for our country

Hugo van der Meer

16th September 2019 at 2:42 pm

David Starkey… calling a shit a shit…how deeply refreshing. As marvelously succinct and erudite as ever. Gawd Bless ‘im!

Winston Stanley

16th September 2019 at 2:04 am

“Morally binding fact.” Not only can “facts” by invented by agreement, much as laws and policies, but it seems that all “must” agree with them. So which is it, does the agreement precede or follow the “fact”? Laws and policies are formally agreed, when were these “moral facts” agreed? In what sense are they “binding”? If they are not observed then clearly they are neither facts nor are they binding. All it takes is contrary action to dispel that argument. According to that argument, an ultimate Remain could not be a fact, otherwise the world would contain contrary facts, which is impossible. Clearly humans are not bound by “morally binding facts”, which are precisely what is neither binding nor factual. It is “I want X and I think that I can pressure other ppl to agree by calling it morally binding fact.”

Deborah Robertson

15th September 2019 at 11:50 pm

Absolutely superb. Thank you.

Neil McCaughan

15th September 2019 at 11:40 pm

The jokingly named Liberal Democrats have decided to overturn the referendum result. I wonder how many of their members will resign in protest at this disgustingly anti-democratic behaviour. Not many I expect.

jessica christon

15th September 2019 at 10:59 pm

I’m glad you touched on the matter of the strict policing of the language in which we’re ‘allowed’ to discuss the position of parliament against the people. It’s one of the most insidious things about this whole sorry saga, that anyone who even calls it for what it is is labelled an extremist/fascist/xenophobe and all the rest of it.

Johnson has already turned down Farage’s offer of working together at the next GE, so he (Johnson) will “hang” alone as the one held solely responsible for the BRINO or reversal that we’ll end up with.

Brian Morris

15th September 2019 at 8:16 pm

Unfortunately the politically elite with European financial interests , including the BBC, are determined to deny the will of the people. Democracy is a word they interpret only to manipulate and further there personal financial agendas.

Janet Mozelewski

27th September 2019 at 10:45 am

The BBC is both the mirror and the mouthpiece of the whole agenda. That is why it is so widely deplored by people in areas that have been ignored and scorned for so long. The issue is, of course, the license tax and the criminalisation of those who can’t or won’t pay it. It is plain to many that the BBC represents diversity in terms of everything but opinion. ( Presenters now regularly tell people what they can or cannot express, and what they should or shouldn’t think. )
They ignore stories that upset the status quo of their liberal utopia, to the outrage of people bearing the brunt of the seedy reality.
Encryption of the BBC signal is perfectly possible and easy. Sky do it all the time. If you don’t pay you don’t get the signal. Simple. Lots of people can no longer stomach the BBC’s relentless bludgeoning, especially since Brexit. They don’t watch but they are forced to pay for it, on pain of a criminal record if they don’t…when it attacks their views and their right to have them. It wants their money though.
Effectively we are seeing the first rebellion against Taxation without Representation. It will surely spread to other areas of Tax. People will increasing feel they should not pay taxes imposed by a hierarchy that has not intention of listening to them and feels they shouldn’t even have a voice.

Neil McCaughan

15th September 2019 at 6:46 pm

Splendid. Starkey on vintage form. An excellent antidote to self-serving shite from Bercow (not his real name) and Hillary Benn.

Paul Carlin

15th September 2019 at 6:43 pm

Starkey as always excellent.

Jonathan Yonge

15th September 2019 at 5:32 pm

What has made this contempt possible and what sustains it ?
I think it is a characteristic of UK culture
The ‘class system’
Think about it. The deference towards ‘betters’. The self-regard…..

Now then. Class has been waning for some time bugt its not yet gone. It did however wane after the financial crisis and then enough to disregard project fear and led to the vote to leave .

I think that recent events in parliament have finally driven a stake through the heart of our ‘class system’.

But what happens now ?

Jonathan Yonge

15th September 2019 at 5:52 pm

Maybe we are having our ‘French’ revolution – albeit 250 years late.
We need to shed deference.
Difficult with our much-loved queen, but King Charles III ? Deference ?

Janet Mozelewski

28th September 2019 at 10:43 am

The ‘old’ class system was already being dismantled by education. My father was a plaster and I was the first in my family to obtain a degree (1980). My father-in-law was a refugee from Poland after the war. My husband was brought up in a council flat but became a Naval, and later an R.A.F, Officer.
What has happened since is Education Education Education. It has watered down the standards and has been the scaffolding for building a new class system to replace the old. Of course the young people who have bought into the idea that they are actually part of this new ‘lIberal elitism’ are actually only being used as its foot soldiers. It was ever thus. It takes most of a lifetime to wise up to the many and various ways the elite/establishment manipulate and connive.
The French Revolution is an interesting analogy because it is part of the same myth. People tend to forget that the Bourbon kings came back, (Three of them…Louis the 18th, Charles X and Louis Philippe.) It took a lot more blood and tears before they were finally packed off. And what has replaced it? I live in rural Normandy. Now France is regarded as a socialist country…even as a communist country by some. (We live in ‘;communes’ after all.) Yet for all the high taxation and top-heavy public sector, the gap between rich and poor is as wide as ever. Much wider than in the UK. There are people who look like and live like peasants. They really do have very different physical characteristics….short in stature, broad of girth, bucolic in every way. That is because there has been hardly any movement between the classes here in generations. From before the Revolution it seems. We still have a Count occupying the nearest Chateau.
Socialism only ensures things are levelled within social band the lower classes. Apart from the brief period of hiatus, it never touches the upper ones.

Bryan Lovely

17th September 2019 at 6:24 pm

“What has made this contempt possible and what sustains it ?”

We have the same in the US — the elites and their epigonesd hate everything about America and especially most Americans outside of the coastal urban bubbles. I blame Gramscian Damage (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260).

I greatly enjoyed Mr. Starkey’s comments — would that more of the learned would speak in words of fire thus.

Jerry Owen

15th September 2019 at 4:52 pm

Fascinating podcast, we don’t hear enough from David Starkey.
Putting this mess into some historical context is important and clarifies just how bad things are.
‘Treason’.. a word not mentioned anywhere near enough in my book.
When David mentioned the word ‘chicanery’ , I misheard him and thought he said ‘shitanery’. A new word for present times maybe !

Janet Mozelewski

27th September 2019 at 10:51 am

I agree. We don’t hear enough of David. The ‘liberal’ media saw to that.

Stef Steer

15th September 2019 at 3:33 pm

Wow, can you put Starkey on every week!! He has the knowledge combined with the frankness that complements Spiked brilliantly and gives that intellectual backbone for the betrayal most of us feel. In an ideal world I hope he gets an input in reforming our constitution. At the very least I hope you guys approach him for the think tank.

Jim Lawrie

15th September 2019 at 2:38 pm

Great podcast. I’ll give it another whirl or two.

Parliament could repeal the Fixed Term Parliament Act, but will not because they wishes sit sine die. Do they, I wonder, pray for the greater being of the EU to descend and and take over?

There is emboldened talk of declaring, not the Referendum null and void, but rather, since there was “no basis” for The Referendum Act, then the Act itself. Not that it must be repealed, but declared to have never happened.

” Mr Cameron, the near-illiterate occupier of the post of Disraeli and Gladstone and Churchill, ” – Ian Hamilton QC.
I was having difficulty squaring what I had seen of David Cameron with his Don’s description. Your assessment of the Uxbridge PPE degree helps confirm my reality. Adam Smith had a similar view of its progenitors, and went back home, unchallenged, aged 23.

BTW Mr Starkey, Aidan O’Neill QC is fully aware of the history of which you speak, and knows exactly what he is doing. He has been waiting for years for this. Don’t underestimate him.

Phil Ford

15th September 2019 at 12:39 pm

Thoroughly enjoyable listen – frankly, you need to get Dr. Starkey for another hour. Appreciate that you just let Dr. Starkey speak uninterrupted, too, Brendan. He’s a very eloquent and always interesting. More, please!

terence patrick hewett

15th September 2019 at 11:46 am

We Leavers will not stop until we have Brexit: until remainers are all gone from government: until we have Constitutional Reformation so that Remainers cannot come back ever again – a rejigged Union fit for the 21st century.

And that is just for starters.

And yes “treason” is exactly the right word for what leading remainers have been doing – colluding with foreign powers against your own country is despicable.

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