The weird war on whiteness

Andrew Doyle joins Snowdon and Slater to discuss wokeness, coal fires and the BBC.

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Why is everyone suddenly talking about whiteness? Why is the government clamping down on wood-burners and coal fires? Is it time to rethink the BBC? Andrew Doyle, the man behind Titania McGrath, joins Chris Snowdon and Tom Slater for the latest episode of Last Orders.

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John Dowling

10th March 2020 at 3:18 pm

The policy of self-harm that this and other Governments wish to perform on their populations in the name of “saving the planet” is quite bizarre. |Data and measurements from the British Met Office, Hadley Centre, NASA (despite record fiddling), University of Alabama etc show conclusively that the local and world climate has been remarkably stable for the last 15-20 years and that the “climate emergency” is a political construct based on flawed computer models, lust for power and money and political ambitions.

Fred Mutton

9th March 2020 at 8:38 am

Like building a beautiful house in a beautiful location and giving it away to someone that can’t maintain it.

Arkady Bazarov

2nd March 2020 at 6:56 pm

Chris Snowdon criticizes net-zero government moves but offers no solution to climate change in return (unless he’s a denier loon). He suggests natural gas is the answer and it’s well known that methane emissions are worse long term than CO2…either he’s being disingenuous or he has no understanding of how our climate system works and should not be peddling such misinformation. He seems to be pushing libertarianism to the point where governments should not act on the climate emergency because it puts people out, people like him who want luxuries like a wood burning fire, because we’re going to rebel if the pesky government try to take our cars and flights (and god forbid, meat and dairy) away from us. But then any rational person agrees that we need drastic government measures to fight climate change and that necessarily means foregoing fossil fuels (and god forbid, meat and dairy). So to suggest we should be free to do whatever we wish (because otherwise it’s a nanny state and just killjoys) is insane. I noticed Andrew Doyle was not involved in this discussion, I like him very much and hope he’s not in denial like Snowdon.

The discussion of whiteness is interesting. I don’t think much of the debate (in the UK) around race now has much to do with race but everything to do with class or rather wealth/poverty inequality (knife crime isn’t carried out predominantly by young black males because they’re black males) and culture (grooming gangs being predominantly made up of Pakistani Muslim men, there’s nothing genetic that predisposes Asian men to be part of this horrific crime but Pakistan happens to be an incredibly repressive Islamist misogynistic state). I imagine that anyone’s skin colour or ethnicity has far less impact on life chances and social well being than their social class, in the UK, that is. Andrew Doyle is right in suggesting that endless discussions about race or whiteness actually creates more polarity.

David McAdam

2nd March 2020 at 11:40 am

Ah well, looks like my trusty old bow saw and swing axe will be made redundant. Did this alleged ‘conservative’ government ever think about their future before clamping down on wood-burners?

KATHLEEN CARR

2nd March 2020 at 10:12 am

Afua Hirsch is the sort of presenter the BBC now loves. As she looks black she represents (and can woffle on ) about the oppressed slaves of the Empire. Though unless life was particularly grim at Wimbledon High (private ) School and St Peters’ College Oxford isn’t Afua now a member of the ‘top’ ie oppressor class herself?-like most BBC people. Despite her expensive education she appears to believe that the RAF bombed Stalingrad in WW11 and that Nelson was complicit in the Slave Trade (rather than trying to defeat Napolean as we used to be taught) Does her ignorance ever bother her-no-why should it? She just sails from commission to commission. This new ‘fact free’ view of the past crops up all over the place-I wouldn’t be surprised to find kids are taught a course called ‘What the Nazis tried to achieve’ claiming that Germany just wanted a happy united EU but those nasty Allies and now Brexit tried to stop them. I hope I haven’t given someone at the BBC an idea for a new series.

Marvin Jones

22nd March 2020 at 11:31 am

The newish lefty liberal extremists that have somehow grabbed the reins of power in this country, with the full backing of the BBC, Lib Dems, the Commies, Liberty, Amnesty etc and the other quangos who parasite on the economy, now have powers that cannot seem to lose. In the past we had Einstein, Newton and other geniuses educating the human race in science and technology, now we have mutants who wake up in the morning and want to be whatever gender or freak, or even a real walking talking big steaming turd, and will not take no for an answer.

Ven Oods

2nd March 2020 at 7:28 am

With all the self-identifying that’s so popular at present, you may be visited by the plod, since you’re dead-something-or-othering somebody somewhere.

Ven Oods

2nd March 2020 at 7:29 am

Should have been a reply to Danny Rees.

Christopher Tyson

1st March 2020 at 11:05 pm

Obama was not a standard American black man. His mother was white, his father Kenyan, he grew up in Hawaii and he was a Harvard educated lawyer. Don’t get me wrong my slogan is ‘The Moor the merrier’ geddit? Welcome one and all to the black family. But Obama could have said ‘you know what? There are many ways to be black’. He didn’t, his constituency was the ‘black ideology’.
There was an interesting retrospective on the British Caribbean writer Andrea Levy on Radio 4 recently. Levy explained that she was not particularly aware of her blackness when growing up, her family were ‘fair-skinned’ and therefore considered themselves a cut above other black people. She experienced racism and her consciousness began to change. But Levy was explaining herself to a white audience on Radio 4, and here’s he irony. Propagators of the ‘black ideology’ are often those black people who have been acknowledged or gained celebrity or media success with a white audience. Their cultural output is consumed by white people and their success is then celebrated by fellow black ideologues. Black heroes to day do not come from the black community and are not created and developed by the community. Levy’s famous book for example is called ‘Small Island’, but refers to Jamaica, for Caribbean people Jamaica is not a small island, it has a population of between 2 and 3 million people. St Kitts, where my dad comes from has a population of about 40 thousands. The book is marketed at people for whom this detail is irrelevant, it may even have been irrelevant to Levy, Jamaicans are not always aware of the Caribbean outside of Jamaica.
I previously made the point that there is a disproportionate concern about black people in the UK as they are still a minority group. I found that for some the concern was that the minority was growing bigger, this was a wider anxiety about the future, an echo of ideas about racial reversal and racial revenge. Today’s black ideologues also appear to be confident, they don’t have the diffidence of being a minority, perhaps moving in circles of other black people or living in multi-cultural towns and cities, or having state support gives them a strong sense of identity and power.
Black ideologues and white supremacists are both being driven towards some kind of apocalyptic final solution. For black people realistic enough to recognise their minority status and preferring a quiet life, the fighting talk of the black ideologues is alarming, and the black ideologues are presently supported by the state and the white media, they are not representative of ‘the black community’ which is itself a contentious idea.
Black struggles of the past revolved around specific causes such as American civil rights, anti apartheid, employment and housing discrimination in the UK. Today it has become metaphysical.
Bob Marley’s exodus is a great song, but exodus to where? To Zion? But where is Zion exactly, I mean, on the map. The logic of the black ideology leads to a ghettoised mindset, a potentially the celebration of a ghettoised reality. Black radical once campaigned about poverty and lack of development in the third world. Today they are more likely to be green and anti-development and not greatly interested in anything beyond what is going on in their own heads.
Today we have more communication and travel than ever before, no one is being forced to stay in the UK. Black ideologues need to accept that more most black people life in the UK is better than it would be elsewhere and they choose to be here. They don’t have rose-tinted visions of the countries they came from, and they know that black people are capable of committing injustice against other black people. There is no shortage of evidence showing that black people are capable of greed, injustice, corruption, and promoting inequality.
The Guyanese writer Walter Rodney was active in the 1970s and 80s, his classic book was ‘How Europe Underdeveloped Africa’. Development economics was a thing back then and Rodney had the making of a radical new leader, he was assassinated by a car bomb and the finger points at his own government. This moral superiority thing of the black ideologues is wearing thin.

Fred Mutton

9th March 2020 at 8:48 am

CHRISTOPHER TYSON.
Were I a black person living in the west today would take one look at Africa and, consider what the slave trade did for me.I

Marvin Jones

22nd March 2020 at 11:40 am

NOW! there’s a logical, intelligent mind that has managed to look in the mirror and see real life as it really is. Brilliant.

Jill W

1st March 2020 at 9:46 pm

Do I feel able to talk about my whitishness?
This docu-social experiment could trigger my recurring dream
Head Teacher: ‘What have you got to say for yourself?’
Me: ‘Sorry’

Jim Lawrie

1st March 2020 at 8:39 pm

One thing not mentioned regarding logs is that there will be government approved suppliers. No doubt with full green credentials and a anti-capitalist profit motive.

If you take a bone dry log and leave it outside for a few months under shelter in a damp region like Wales or the West of Scotland, its moisture content will adjust to the ambient level, and it will morph into a wet log, no longer able to pass the test, and damned to eternal hellfire.

Jim Lawrie

1st March 2020 at 8:21 pm

You are wrong about the human genome Mr Doyle. It was categorised 20 years ago. Much of what they said was estimate and guess. The function of each specific gene, which can have endless DNA combination variants, is still a long way off. 99.99% the same does not mean there are not huge differences. We share 60% of our genes with bananas. And chickens.

Marvin Jones

22nd March 2020 at 11:42 am

You are running around like a skinless banana.

Mark Lambert

1st March 2020 at 12:41 pm

I don’t know how TV shows get created. Was it Hirsch to approached the BBC, or some bright spark at the BBC approaching Hirsch? Even so, can’t the national broadcaster have a little sit down among themselves and consider that this sort of stuff, as well as pointing out how “white” a Brexit rally was (when doing it with no other), might be a bit divisive?

Yeah, Hirsch’s program might even have some criticism of the constant “whiteness” stuff, but seeing as it’s her bread and butter, I doubt it.

Marvin Jones

22nd March 2020 at 11:49 am

This country in the last 40 odd years seem to have morphed into a sentimental bunch of cowards, who take people like Afua, adopt her, educate her and then put her on a pedestal that says, “look, we are not racists”. They give them titles of intellectual academics or professors and yet not get back one Iota of gratefulness. I have never heard her mention anything beneficial about this country.

KATHLEEN CARR

1st March 2020 at 10:36 am

It seems strange for me who has known many people in mixed race marriages who were friends and neighbours . The British Empire allowed marriage between Europeans and Indian Hindus in 19th century which has produced actors such as Margaret Lockwood and Diana Quick. Some Indians were themselves Empire builders as they moved to Trinidad (V S Naipaul) and Africa (Yasmin Alibi Brown ) Many Africans moved to Europe to get work over the centuries. The idea that Europe/the West is in a (white) master role to the (BAME) slave in the rest of the world is not true. There are rich people in positions of power in all cultures-the rest of us have our lives driven by economic factors and the Empire of today can be the poor country of tomorrow-look at Spain.

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Danny Rees

1st March 2020 at 12:46 am

There is no such thing as whiteness. Or blackness. Or asianness.

Or any raceness.

Ven Oods

1st March 2020 at 5:32 pm

With all the self-identifying that’s so popular at present, you may be visited by the plod, since you’re dead-something-or-othering somebody somewhere.

Danny Rees

2nd March 2020 at 7:12 pm

LOL.

Dead naming you mean. That is relation to trans people not race.

L Strange

29th February 2020 at 9:11 pm

It’s not well-meaning, it’s a linguistic power-play.

revon revon

29th February 2020 at 5:39 pm

will

Cin Sirap

29th February 2020 at 5:23 pm

It’s not ‘weird’. It’s been thoroughly thought out. It’s purely and simply a strategy to rile up the assorted minorities that the Left are attempting to form a winning coalition from.

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