The care-homes scandal that shames the nation

The spiked team discusses care homes, grooming gangs and police overreach.

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Is the government to blame for the Covid crisis in care homes? Will we ever get to see the truth about grooming gangs? Will the overzealous corona cops ever calm down? Tom Slater, Ella Whelan, Fraser Myers, and special guest Rakib Ehsan, discuss all this and more on this week’s spiked podcast.

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Nan Jones

26th May 2020 at 12:24 am

As far as the Government policy went ,it seemed be very rigid in its thinking .Japan very early on ,decided to set up centres away from hospitals to treat covid sufferers .We have many Mod properties, that could have been staffed by Army medics who already would have the proper safety equipment.The total lack of advice about building peoples own immune defences with Vitamin D , which most people are short of, darker skinned people more so ,which have shown in studies to decrease the incidence of lung infections.Chloroquine and Zinc have been turned into political footballs, egged on by the media with some disgraceful misinformation.To be clear it is the zinc which stops T cells replicating the virus Chloroqoquine is what gets the zinc into the cells.Senagal has developed their own cheap test, to see if you have the virus,but western Gov seem hell bent on throwing money around instead, to big Pharma ,which we all have to pay back.Nimble and practical thinking has gone out of the window, with most Governments now, in the west are all about grand gestures with other peoples money . And now its acceptable to talk about Rape gangs, everyone is positioning themselves to rewrite history,and cast people like Robinson and working class people, who are, and have been, shouting about this for years as thick racists ,well done the chattering classes .Robinson has been scorned and jailed, beaten up and he family life ruined because he wouldn’t shut up.It says so much about this Country’s contempt for working people who have watched this for decades.You are all cowards and he is a brave man who shames you.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

24th May 2020 at 6:08 pm

If you put Tories in charge of health care what do you expect?

Ava Tar

24th May 2020 at 2:49 pm

Care Homes were a perfect storm opportunity for decimation by a contagious agent. I spent 3 years helping to look after Mum in one and got to know the staff and how they work well. Legally they only need 1 nurse to 7 patients. Unlike hospital they do not remain in bed each day and have to be helped to get up and are taken to a communal area for food and socialising. Agency staff help with sudden staff shortages. Put that together with coronavirus and you have your perfect storm.
If all staff had to wear full PPE that is over 20 changes per day for each nurse. Many residents require 2 nurses to help them out of bed and back again, so each nurse needs even more than 20 changes. When the alarm cord is pulled several rush to the room; they do not have time to fully kit up with PPE. Many residents have dementia and will not understand why they cannot leave their room and will simply wander off when unsupervised. If all residents remain in rooms then food will have to be brought to them; Mum needed help eating due to a stroke – more PPE.
I have great sympathy for Care Home staff and I hope you can see it is easy to lambast them or the Government with statistics when the way they have to work as surrogate homes for people with serious health needs is simply incompatible with the prevention requirements of something like coronavirus. Even if all visitors were banned, there is still the possibility that it would inadvertently be brought in by staff, maintenance engineers, cleaners or agency workers. Care Homes are a health conundrum.

Jackie Robbins

24th May 2020 at 1:32 am

Tucker Carlson aired the full video May 22, 2020. Beyond shocking and depressing that it’s common at most care home facilities

Watch “Video captures brutal nursing home beating involving 20-year-old suspect also living in the home” on YouTube

https://youtu.be/Miivc6kNpWE

Anjela Kewell

23rd May 2020 at 11:08 am

You are moderating me for telling the truth around TR. your facts are wrong. You need to stop accusing those of us who have worked for years to bring the gangs to light as racist and far right.

Why don’t you interview Mr Robinson and find put for yourself what his work has has achieved. You may be very surprised and enlightened

Anjela Kewell

23rd May 2020 at 11:05 am

The far right positioning themselves as truthtellers is an absolute immediately turned me away from this part of the discussion. The EDL was set up to protect our veterans and their families, not for grooming. Again the establishment, of which Brendan and Spiked are still on the periphery of the estab,ishment, have got their facts wrong.

Secondly Tommy Robinson was talking to Sarah Champion and Lord Pearson as well as the Sikh community about grooming. He is not far right positioning himself as a truthteller. Stop fudging your facts because you do jot accept that Tommy Robinson is a working class lad who saw for himself the terrible exploitation that the police and the politicians refused to address.

His book explaining in detail the Qu’ran, written in conjunction with the leader of the Sikh community became a best seller on Amazon until the establishment created a false narrative around him. His knowledge must be the best surrounding Islam ideology and the fundamentalists.

Tommy Robinson has never ever said anything racist and has supported many hardworking muslims. You are totally ignorant pf the work he has done. If you want to accuse his work as being far right and racist you have to include the Sikh community, Sarah Champion, Lord Pearson and the majority of UKIP members. shame on you. Perhaps if you stopped creating this divide in your discussions and started working with those who have understood this far more than anyone else, we could actually do someing about it.

Anjela Kewell

23rd May 2020 at 10:52 am

It seems that yet again the government follows the Chinese attitude that the unprofitable in the nation can be disposed of.

Anyone who has followed Chinese history will be aware of their total disregard for the elderly, the disabled and those who become unprofitable. The globalists seem to be in control as the same patterns appear throughput the western world. Only Donald Trump and his Republican states seem to have thought compassionately and democratically.

Boris needs to apologise for his total lack of questioning bearing in mind he is meant to be libertarian. It seems to me that the state has become more important than citizens. It will end badly for the Tories and Democracy.

Most elderly people are extremely frightened of going into any NHS hospital and yet the government, knowing this fear, prefers to run an inefficient monolith that cruelly puts our elderly on the dung heap. In a so called democracy this is atrocious and instead of clapping the NHS we should he disbanding the NHS

Bella Donna

28th May 2020 at 12:16 pm

Bravo Anjela. I agree with all your comments well said!

Mor Vir

23rd May 2020 at 9:39 am

C orona also comes at the worst time for Brexit negotiations with UK economy hyper-vulnerable to impediments to recovery from the induced recession.

Hopefully the continent will not see it as ‘pay back time’ to settle old scores by cutting UK loose. They could conceivably see it as a LOL moment.

Likely EU will fancy that their hand is strengthened by UK weakness and they will push for the worst deal – or they could act like adults and try to build for the future.

I am guessing that it is inconceivable that Boris would ask for an extension to the transitional period, but only time will tell.

Anyway, popcorn time is approaching on Brexit.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/22/economy/uk-economy-coronavirus-brexit/index.html

Jackie Robbins

23rd May 2020 at 5:02 am

That’s journalist LARA Logan who now works for FOX…

Mor Vir

23rd May 2020 at 9:45 am

No, I thought that you meant Logan from the X-Men movies.

Now I am wondering whether you mean superman’s GF.

: )

Jackie Robbins

23rd May 2020 at 5:00 am

On 15 February 2011, CBS News released a statement that Logan had been beaten and sexually assaulted by Muslim men on 11 February, while covering the celebrations in Tahrir Square following Hosni Mubarak’s resignation.

Jackie Robbins

23rd May 2020 at 3:52 am

P.s. I am THRILLED to support Spiked and will continue to contribute every month. As we say in Hawaii, many Mahalo! ??? cheers!

Jackie Robbins

23rd May 2020 at 3:35 am

In the United States, Muslim citizen just attacked our Naval Base in Texas, wounded one and more…Media won’t touch it. They will pretend it never happened. Why?

If white American citizen committed the same attack, the entire press, every network from CNN, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC…ETC would be repeating it over and over again. Why?

Jackie Robbins

23rd May 2020 at 3:26 am

I wouldn’t leave my 92 year old mom in a care home if they paid me to do so! Gov Cuomo of N.Y. is making jokes about the elderly dying…I not only left the Democrat Party, I RAN away as fast as my legs would take me from those cruel perverts.

They embraced the China Model for lockdowns, which says: Get rid of the elderly, no longer productive, so get rid of them. And that has been interpreted as “humane” by Cuomo who said, They all are on the verge of dying so what’s the problem?

Add to that Katha Pollitt, writer for The Nation, who wrote, “I’d vote for Joe Biden even if he boiled babies and ate them.”

The Democrats didn’t just lose their principles of humanity and value of civil rights, they lost their MINDS and are now mentally deranged.

Mike Coops

22nd May 2020 at 11:04 pm

European survey reveals England has lowest rate of Covid 19 care homes deaths total fatalities of European nations. I’m not defending UK government but the lockdown has been crazy,and I’m with spiked all the way on this Care home death in perspective though…
21% England
25% Wales
45% Scotland
37% Germany
66% Spain
50% France

Valentina Nor

22nd May 2020 at 8:38 pm

I do not want to donate

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22nd May 2020 at 8:37 pm

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jessica christon

22nd May 2020 at 7:58 pm

I do not care to donate for this very reason.

jessica christon

22nd May 2020 at 7:58 pm

That I am constantly under mod for nothing.

jessica christon

22nd May 2020 at 7:57 pm

So I’m on mod again for a perfectly sensible, on topic and inoffensive comment. Spiked claiming to be a defender of free speech is a joke.

jessica christon

22nd May 2020 at 7:55 pm

But they’re still afraid of giving us the unvarnished truth; we’re going to get some kind of filtered version of the report that some politically correct panel deems acceptable and this will be passed off as if the real thing is being released. Spiked are already complicit; there’s not one mention of this in the podcast or in the recent grooming gang article.

The fear of the far right excuse is nonsense, as the expression doesn’t mean anything anymore. People who say the most common sense of things out loud are branded “far right” by the mainstream (and yes, that includes ‘the likes of’ Tommy Robinson who Spiked abhor).

The real problem is that all of the MSM – and Spiked – are obsessed with the idea that the “far right” (by the old sensible definition meaning the BNP and NF) have be proven wrong about everything – even when they’re not.

Gordon De Gopher

22nd May 2020 at 6:41 pm

I imagine: Care homes are run on a shoestring budget. They’ll be commissioned by a council on next to nothing and tendered by an organisation who will promise the earth but know they won’t be able to deliver (probably as a loss leader in the hope that they’ll be recommissioned but also with the intention of making various savings against their costing). They’ll promise a certain number of staff but will never employ that number putting extra pressure on the few staff they do employ ensuring staff morale and welfare remains notoriously low and turnover remains notoriously high. They’ll employ (read: take advantage of) mostly immigrant staff because local workers can’t afford to live on the paltry wages offered and are also less accepting of the atroscious working conditions. Some local workers will apply for the love of wanting to care for the vulnerable; this will soon be beaten out of them. The immigrant workers will take as many shifts offered – working up to 75 hours a week. Maybe more, to house and feed their family. They’ll be very tired. Mistakes will be made.

Ultimately residents will get a rubbish service, staff will be set up to fail and both will be at a very high risk of illness or danger from shortcuts to health & safety regulations.

And when it all goes wrong commissioners will complain and senior management will blame the staff.

All this is on a normal day. Covid 19 is just magnifying the problem.

I imagine.

Puddy Cat

22nd May 2020 at 6:31 pm

I think that the rush to capture the zeitgeist often runs ahead of the truth. This government has been doing the equivalent of decorating the hall through a letterbox, relying as it does upon autonomous agencies to do work, fire and forget, that the state has entrusted to them. Many have spoken of the blame game and several heads have been put forward for ritual lopping once the blue birds star to fly over Dover freely. The whole business of blame is so difficult to assess as with the analysis of why certain discrete groups are seen as emblematic of a failing system.

Firstly it needs saying that many who work in Covid zones who have died had private lives and whatever the strictures or completeness of control in their work places what they did in the privacy of their own lives may have had more of a bearing on their outcome. This also pertains to people of ethnic groupings who, whatever the general rules, their particular lifestyles may have been the prime contributor to their infection.

The nation is become excessively mawkish. In this day an age it appears that everyone needs a reward or award for merely stepping out of their front door. There was a time when heroism and courage were expected and anything less received frowning disapproval.

We are told that the government’s methodology verges on totalitarianism and people fret about the rules and regulation which, having been instituted, are not abolished. We fear that we become a chattel of the state and lose our independence. But then, voluntarily, we go onto the streets to applaud our fearful reliance. Conglomeration is not OK if it is by choice and yet we hardly ever know who the authors are of many of the dictum’s we accept without demur.

The left is making hay on this and socialism is cruises easily into the equation allying itself with the ‘national’ effort to beat Covid. Yet theirs is just a contortion. Whereas people fight shy of the comparison to what we do now as being similar to a war situation and its referencing the temporary nature of our activities currently, Labour sees this suspension of capitalism as an obvious reflection on its contrivances of a socialist state.

Whereas Labour may have no intention of bothering with repaying debts, happy to run a deficit economy, they also seem to have no particular opinion on interest and debt repayment which would weigh such a burden in wage cheques. Covid is forcing us to see the benefits that so many of us seem to have taken for granted in our state. Labour would definitely prefer a situation whereby we would ask individually for our case to be heard and would no doubt revel in the business of hearing and granting but the state they seem to prefer would be beyond the ken of an Civil Service and would favour practised complainants. This country is not one filled to the gunwales with practised moaners. It is a timorous nation in many respects who cringe at the idea of complaining. But then again they were brought up in an era when could rely on some concept of fairness rubber-stamped by the state. Fairness and forethought can silence socialism in this country. The reward for the many who have endangered themselves recently in some way is the thought that those whom they minister to now would not hesitate to reciprocate if needed. That’s the society we want but Labour pursue the insistence that their model favours.

Question Everythin

23rd May 2020 at 3:23 am

Hit the nail on the head. I’m deeply worried about the economic after effects, dreading it if I’m honest, i have health issues that have left me disabled and forced me to stop working, I’m beyond terrified of what’s going to come next because anymore cuts to disability benefits will be the last straw for many in my position, especially given the little we are given to live off now. How on earth the NHS is going to find funding the way unemployment is going i just don’t know, again this affects me personally due to the amounts of treatments, specialists, surgery’s, rehabilitation programs I receive regularly.
There’s been absolutely no argument being made from this point of view, and we’re getting to the point of no return if we haven’t already past it, we’re heading fro economic hell, the mainstream media has only JUST started to talk about the economic effects, where was this information, the debate, the questioning of politicians, before we went into lockdown as to what the economic consequences could be. It’s too late to start talking about it now, when theyve pushed their hysterical narrative that’s terrified people to the point they don’t want anything to change until September. I find it strange they say September given this is when Oxford hope to have a vaccine, of that vaccine fails will they want to to continue the lockdown for however long it takes for a vaccine to be found? There’ll be nothing left by then; no NHS, no welfare safety net, no pensions, no social housing, no high streets, no more pubs and restaurants, no more cinemas, no more of anything we have become accustomed too.
One thing is certain in all this chaos the BBC MUST have the license fee taken off them, they of all the media SHOULD have by the rights of the charter, given us a deep debate into the economic consequences of lockdown, the consequences to people with other illnesses and diseases, like cancer. They failed to do so, they’ve reported these issues as they’ve been brought to their attention by doctors and as the realisation that the economy is ducked, basically in real time, when anyone with an ounce of common sense was screaming at the TV asking why they’re not talking about issue like those above. We shouldn’t be paying an organisation and even nation that have failed us, its bad enough were still paying WHO and France (channel migrants crossing deal in which we pay them to stop crossings… obvs they’re failing too).
I feel like i want to scream at people “wake the duck up” and shake some sense into them, they’re sleeping walking into a total disaster of their own making.

Mor Vir

23rd May 2020 at 8:58 am

State spending may not be as badly hit as some might fear. Banks are lending to the British government under negative interest rates, so they are basically paying the TP to borrow money off them. Banks are looking for safe havens for their money, where they will get most of it back in the long-term. Boris is happy to borrow loads. So you should be OK. Of course, a complete collapse would change things for everyone.

Ven Oods

22nd May 2020 at 5:51 pm

Interesting bit from Darren Grimes. Not many come out the other side in one piece when attacked by state-backed quangos.
Well done, Darren, and I hope the r-soles suffer for what they put you through.

Linda Payne

22nd May 2020 at 5:06 pm

The police now seem to think they have discretion to decide what is and what is not a crime even if there is no breaking of the law; this is a dangerous move because at the end of the day they are the armed wing of the State and their history proves they are only too keen to use the powers they are given, if they now have the moral’ right to harrass people not even breaking any law we should all be worried and resist this

Mark Lambert

22nd May 2020 at 4:50 pm

Grooming gangs:
It still came across to me that you are heavily still with the thought of “feeds the far-right” yourselves and are on edge about it, and perhaps took up most time in this conversation.
Who are the “far-right” in this? Is it specific groups which you have determined to be so, or anyone who complains about the grooming gangs? We all know that anyone who complains has become a pariah.
Drop the fear. Just get on with it for god’s sake.

Linda Payne

22nd May 2020 at 4:38 pm

Ella Whelan is right; we as a society need to rethink the way we treat the elderly and tailor social care towards their needs rather than see them as a problem that has to be dealt with (ie cheaply as possible and shoved into care homes). Some care homes in the private sector are actually quite good places with a lot of activities and good enemities but they are very expensive and only open to those who can afford them, others can be grim places and need to be improved. Yes we need to rethink respite and social care putting the elderly at the forefront of action and it needs to happen now

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