‘In this lockdown, dissent is a moral duty’

One area that particularly concerns me is the changes in the Mental Health Act. Sectioning can now be done by one doctor as apposed to two and time limits on detention extended or suspended. This legislation is in place for the next two years (although apparantly it can be ‘turned off on on’ during that time by government). The irony is that psychaitrists have had to section patients that do not really meet the threshold in order to secure them a bed due to the lack of beds in the NHS. Police have the power to section and it remains to be seen as to how they will use it in these times; we could see people languishing on wards or police cells which is a gross violation of their rights.

Surely I see a globalist pandemic run by extremely clever well crafted and totally funded social engineers. Who is WHO – look at the funding. Follow the money and the network of control that consolidates always by transfer of wealth and rights for toxic debt slavery. This global coup/subjection is a mind management exercise under unprecedented media blitz, for a media catastrophe that distorts what is as yet under the average for (pneumonia) deaths and is simply a part of the yearly cycle but crowned under a novel psychological threat operating an increasingly lockstep in locking down.
The demonstration of the power to choke a global economy – and enforce compliance and obedience to demands that make no sense – except as propaganda that establishes narrative conformity.
“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.”
~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives

Complain to the police about our house arrest…YES it is an EMERGENCY.
We need our freedom returned to REALLY care and help their comfortable self isolation …if needed.
Call 999 and register your .
So they realise we /I have not consented to Fascism

OH censored … why ?

Has anyone actually read the Coronavirus Bill (HC Bill 122)?

Starts off well enough:

EUROPEAN CONVENTION ON HUMAN RIGHTS

Secretary Matt Hancock has made the following statement under section 19(1)(a) of
the Human Rights Act 1998:

In my view the provisions of the Coronavirus Bill are compatible with the Convention rights.

get to page 193 though…

25CHealth protection regulations: domestic

(1)The Department of Health may by regulations make provision for
the purpose of preventing, protecting against, controlling or
30providing a public health response to the incidence or spread of
infection or contamination in Northern Ireland (whether from risks
originating there or elsewhere).

(2)The power in subsection (1) may be exercised—

(a)in relation to infection or contamination generally or in
35relation to particular forms of infection or contamination, and

(b)so as to make provision of a general nature, to make
contingent provision or to make specific provision in
response to a particular set of circumstances.

(3)Regulations under subsection (1) may in particular include
40provision—

(a)imposing duties on registered medical practitioners or other
persons to record and notify cases or suspected cases of
infection or contamination,

(b)conferring on the Regional Agency or other persons
45functions in relation to the monitoring of public health risks,
and

(c)imposing or enabling the imposition of restrictions or
requirements on or in relation to persons, things or premises
in the event of, or in response to, a threat to public health.

Coronavirus BillPage 193
(4)The restrictions or requirements mentioned in subsection (3)(c)
include in particular—

(a)a requirement that a child is to be kept away from school,

(b)a prohibition or restriction relating to the holding of an event
5or gathering,

(c)a restriction or requirement relating to the handling,
transport, burial or cremation of dead bodies or the handling,
transport or disposal of human remains, and

(d)a special restriction or requirement.

(5)10The power in subsection (1) is subject to section 25D.

(6)For the purposes of this Part a “special restriction or requirement”
means any of the following restrictions or requirements—

(a)that a person submit to medical examination;

(b)that a person be removed to a hospital or other suitable
15establishment;

(c)that a person be detained in a hospital or other suitable
establishment;

(d)that a person be kept in isolation or quarantine;

(e)that a person be disinfected or decontaminated;

(f)20that a person wear protective clothing;

(g)that a person provide information or answer questions about
the person’s health or other circumstances;

(h)that a person’s health be monitored and the results reported;

(i)that a person attend training or advice sessions on how to
25reduce the risk of infecting or contaminating others;

(j)that a person be subject to restrictions on where the person
goes or with whom the person has contact;

(k)that a person abstain from working or trading;

(l)that a thing be seized or retained;

(m)30that a thing be kept in isolation or quarantine;

(n)that a thing be disinfected or decontaminated;

(o)in the case of a dead body, that the body be buried or
cremated;

(p)in any other case, that a thing be destroyed or disposed of;

(q)35that premises be closed;

(r)that, in the case of a conveyance or movable structure, the
conveyance or structure be detained;

(s)that premises be disinfected or decontaminated;

(t)that, in the case of a building, conveyance or structure, the
40premises be destroyed.

So… take away your livelihood, imprison you in hospital and destroy your house.

Nice – didn’t read that on the BBC

As to the conformity of the intellectual classes and how they are jumped on if they resent, it is just the same for the working classes.. just look at facebook to confirm that only the accusations are you are murdering people.
The snitching of people on their neighbours will divide us in the same way families were divided in the miners strikes. There are still families in South Yorkshire who do not talk to each other today.
We have been taught to do this
I don’t think global warming is man made …… you Climate change denser.
There is never a middle ground anymore.
Plus we compete for dopamine hits on face book (likes) and virtue signalling does that… just jump on someone who tries to add some reason and everyone will give you a like and then jump n them too for their own dopamine hit.

There are people who are saying that we will be taught a lesson by mother nature and if the world is better after it will be good … well not good for those who have died or lost everything. I think these peple believe they are cushioned from anything bad happening to them. Which to me seems to mean they are happy some will be sacrificed

The criteria fr what is a pandemic was changed last year it used to be a pandemic was that which killed more people than the flu and could not be defined until after the event.

A French company patented the Corvid19 in November last year.

II believe this has been in the UK earlier than stated as I myself and others had illness that ticks all the boxes for Corvid19 some before Christmas, me in January.

The lack of overall deaths has not gone to according to World meter and the deaths form flu are much less if this was real then we should expect to see an increase in the overall death rate.
https://www.worldometers.info/?fbclid=IwAR345nZdWq-Glrr5mix-kHUKL9fUpYYQqMO0LmcMuxAWhejjMXMbdGNyCRU

I’m over 60 and in a vulnerable group and also feel resentful that I am being used as the excuse to do this to people. I feel that I have been reduced to the status of a child or pet with no say in what I do and everything is done for or to me without my say so.

lso a rise in people believing complete rubbish and putting forward all kinds of conspiracies but can you blame them because I am at a loss to understand why every government in the world is destroying its economy.

“Its just flu”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/healthy-nhs-nurse-36-dies-of-coronavirus-after-treating-patients-on-the-frontline/ar-BB1272GK?ocid=bingcovid

Unherd is very good.
Hitchens thinks that the covid figures cannot be trusted because the government ‘controls’ them.
Really ? https://www.bing.com/covid

Finally. He starts by saying he is no kind of expert, and then propounds his own technical analysis as though he were.

In summary. Hitchens firmly believes it is all a gigantic worldwide conspiracy to control us.

Listen to Unherd’s podcast with Hitchens:
– He has seen a lot of government dishonesty
– so he suspects the government has made a terriblemistake
– he doesn’t like government control
– he might see some justification for government control if there was a Martian invasion or bubonic plague. ‘Might’

He ignores all othe countries, so presumably he thinks theire governments are dishonest too.

In summary. Hitchens doesn’t trust the UK government.
He insists he is not any kind of expert
Yet he has decided to ignore experts, why ?

Its very worrying that someone like Hitchens gets the coverage he does, but I’m afraid that’s what journalism is actually all about.

How does Peter Hitchens pass as a public intellectual? This is absurdly reductive. Anyone who donates to this website is a mug.

Sorry guys, this is embarrassing.

The Euro Mortality Monitor has now updated with last Thursday’s figures. To remind people, these are Total Mortality. Thus, they provide reliable evidence of an epidemic.

Using Cases Detected figures is just a measure of testing efficiency, while Deaths From Covid depends on correct diagnosis, and includes people who would probably have died shortly from something else. Total Mortality figures show us how many EXTRA people (if any) are dying, which are the figures which ought to interest people. They are, however, a week behind what is happening now.

We are seeing a slight rise in the number of elderly deaths across Europe, but the bulk of the population (up to 65 years old) is still unaffected.

Countries experiencing a rise are:

Belgium, France, Malta (though theirs seems over now), Switzerland and the UK. Italy and Spain have high peaks, comparable to recent flu epidemics of 2016/17. So far, therefore, the impact has been that of a mild flu year. For Italy, it is still equivalent of 16/17 – they had it quite bad then…

Many countries have essentially unchanged mortality. Notable here are Germany, with a high testing strategy, and Sweden, with no lockdown. This provides a useful insight into which countermeasures are working.

On the home front, Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have no rise. I suspect that the rise in England is mainly driven by London. For the UK, even just England, it is nowhere near as fatal as the winter of 2017/18, though hot-spots in London may approach this.

I wish I could convince myself that the articles and comments on here would be any different during any disaster.
But I cannot.

Such fine minds so little wisdom.

I am beginning to regret my trumpeting of individualism, especially when I see what panic it can do in this theatre of dreams. The current environment is a playground for absurdists and miserablists. The only organ in this country that can muster the resources and contrive a brains trust to fight our current situation is the government, which, if you have a sensible suggestion to ameliorate our situation, I am sure would love to hear it.

The lack of fortitude and focus is staggering and does not reflect well on the general population. Meanwhile, in enclaves of the self-possessed, one can see staggering examples of community relations working harmoniously and instinctively. We have to come to terms with casual and determined way in which society has been disregarded, only referred to as a resource. The somewhere’s and the anywhere’s argument is cogent. Without unity and the structures of concerned and united societies we are more inclined to be targets for authoritarianism, for it will be the only body that you can rely on, the only recourse.

We are all hyperbole and superstition and our fright in the realisation of how puny we are in the face of nature, sparking all manner of rites and offerings to propitiate the gods of cruel mayhem. The British Home Fleet at the Battle of Jutland had a technological advantage in its hardware but received a bit of a smacking by a German Fleet that had better communications. While the British lost contact with each other in the fog of gun smoke the Germans remained cohesive and functioning. We are currently losing contact with our purpose and direction of travel because individualism cannot adapt to mass action. While the free spirit and individual enterprise is to be praised in less febrile times, when there is a national crises we show we cannot be selfless. Instead of showing individual fortitude and temperance we slough off our responsibility and resolution and conjure some mythic saviours riding forth to save us like this NHS. Long before all of this brewed up we knew the NHS and the Civil Service were unreformed and wasteful entities that required reform and yet, now, they are symbols of last hope? When the smoke settles something big has to happen. Currently much of our lives are not dissimilar to the action of decorating the hall in your house by accessing it through the letterbox.

I have to praise Peter for his principled stance. I was where he is about 5 days ago, and have now managed to escape the zombie movie, but it hasn’t been easy. I will share my experience. This is far worse than you realise: we are in the middle of a global nervous breakdown. Forget disease, medical health, the economy, the catastrophe of global poverty; our biggest problem is the mental health of the whole globe which may take decades to recover. There is a way out of the mental health spiral.
I have traced the evolution of the great panic of 2020 (by the way the panic has been caused by totally imaginary fears, forget the virus).I could give the timeline of what was happening to the human mind- that’s for the future discussion. The key event was triggered by Neil Ferguson of Imperial College who used a ridiculously flawed model called “Flattening the Curve”. China, Italy had preceded his research, and he was in a panic.The shut down by Boris Johnson based on this flawed research cascaded throughout the world causing the complete nervous breakdown of everybody on the planet.There is a way out of the nightmare, we can rescue them still.
Solution: Firstly, recognise that everybody is living in a bad meme. The containment/suppression phase is simply unattainable, and has been known to be unattainable by any sane person for at least a few weeks. The only answer is managed herd immunity (I know, your brain is screaming eugenics).If nature had been let alone, this is what would have happened. It is a natural process, and is the way nature protects the group (sorry Richard Dawkins). We are homo sapiens (even though I’m not so sure now) so we can manage it.Our biggest problem now is to get the global population to switch to it.Right, let me try to get you to accept it.
Firstly, accept the following 2 facts: we are all going to be infected, and there is not going to be a vaccine. This is where the human brain goes into a tailspin. But, regardless of the enormous fear this is what is going to happen. Virologists/epidemiologists know this, but their brains are also in a panic.Once you accept that nature has given us a horrible scenario, you can move on. You must move because there is no other possibilty, Ignoring reality is the major part of our problems. Now, and I promise you this, a golden future opens up and the nightmare disappears. It’s magic’ I have been out of the zombie world and my mental health has been restored. So now we are in the new meme: we are doing managed herd immunity (people don’t like the word herd, maybe we should call it community immunity management). First, cancel all shut downs and lockouts worldwide. When the globe starts screaming that everybody will be infected, calm them down and tell them that this was always inevitable ever since we left containment/suppression phase. People will have to have the mental fortitude to accept this. With the current state of the collective global mind, this will be the biggest hurdle. Brainwash: accept reality, accept reality; get out of your zombie state. There will be 5,000,000,000 infections world wide. It’s the reality. But here is a trick that nature does that is truly wonderful: for each infection it will also innoculate/vaccinate you. Bad and good. It’s the wonder of nature that protects the future of the herd/group (sorry Richard Dawkins). The death rate will immediately go up (of course), but the final toll will be the same. This panic stricken population has simply been delaying the horror till later. Let’s accept the brutal facts of nature. The great panic has been triggered by our inability to accept reality. Ok, now for the horror. 5,000,000,000 infections/innoculations worldwide; 2,000,000 deaths in America (here I’m working on 330,000,000 X 1% X65%; death rate 1%, total herd immunity at 65%). I want to say we really have no idea what the quantum will be; a major part of our panic comes from the unknown. But whatever the figure, you can’t run away from it.Enough of the horrors, now for the good news. We must manage firstly by quarantining the elderly/co-morbidity to protect them from nature selecting the weak. They can fit into the 30% uninfected when we reach full herd immunity.Next step, emancipation. All shut downs lock downs worldwide cancelled.Everybody back to normal. Throw away all rules of infection control including hand sanitiser, safe distances,face masks. In the herd immunity management phase that we are now in it is positively patriotic to infect/innoculate everyone. Hug and kiss as much as possible; we need to get the immunity reservoir up as much as possible. Hopefully to the level it would have been without the misapplication of the containment/innoculation meme. Bad memes need to be squashed viciously. The zombie world will disappear. The other nightmares such as lack of test/masks go away. You don’t need to test: everybody is getting the virus. You don’t want to protect yourself: you positively want to infect/innoculate.It’s worthwhile to keep anti-body testing on a randomised sampling way to see how the immunity reservoir is building. Individual testing would be purely of a psychological nature because remember everybody will get the virus. Now let us gracefully endure the illnes, which for most of us will not be serious. Hospitals and ventilators should be avoided: that’s another whole scandal caused by the great panic.Even the elderly should have the freedom to choose whether they want to risk it (they can’t harm anybody and nobody can harm them except to give them the universal infection/innoculation).Welcome back zombies.

Boris has, with a sleight of hand , by using the slogan Get Brexit Done, managed to Get Communism Done. There will be no more small business capitalism , virtually everything will be connected to the public sector/big business . We are a load of sheep who have been herded into our pens. and unlike the sheep (who have more sense) we are actually applauding ourselves.

Good job by Peter Hitchens. It’s like listening to Paul and wondering what John would have said but good job nonetheless.

An interesting theory from Hitchens that people “lose” virtue by acting contrary to it and then “cannot” act virtuously. Not merely infused divine habits but even natural virtues. One can never assume how Protestants understand their religion until one has discussed with the individual, because they tend to hold all sorts of peculiar doctrines. His Anglican church has no explicit, detailed doctrine of grace and virtue.

AFAIK, the normal classical (pagan) teaching is that all virtues are habits of the soul that may be strengthened or weakened through action, which then makes virtuous action easier or harder but not impossible. They are not “lost” by a contrary action such as that one then “cannot” act virtuously. People get better or worse at virtue, they do not totally lose it through a single act such that they can then never regain it or build it up again.

As usual, good dissent and critical thought. Even if I disagree, BON and PH are important to listen to, so thank you Spiked, but what i find galling, frustrating and consistent with everything spiked have put out on Corona virus, is that not once has anyone offered an alternative action to that implemented by the Govt. . As to PH saying that ‘staying at home’ is not proven to make any difference, that really is an astonishing assumption. But hey, maybe I’m just an idiot…So… let’s see, when we all know the facts. I just wish Spiked would not talk in a constant echo chamber, and just one time give us ideas and thoughts as to how we could have done differently to avoid multiple deaths of NHS workers and Doctors. Merely saying ‘this is wrong’ or ‘it’s an affront to our liberty’ strikes me as the very emotional response that you are so against… I might disagree, but i do have an open mind and it’s why i read Spiked. More than happy to have my mind changed, but give me something other than, bah humbug, PLEASE!!!

But how do we dissent?

Powerful stuff. Makes me so sad to think of how easily Britons have given up all our ancestors fought for.

Thank you both. he Spectator has reported on Lord Sumption’s views, also R4- but why isn’t it enough? Boris is “proud to be free”, a thinking man- he’s not the only one- so why are we over a barrel to the prevailing thirst for paternalistic action?

Same scenario for the invasion of Iraq in 2003: political and media lies and silence or acquiescence by the public.

Imperial College are part of the NWO pushing us to a one world government. As are John Hopkins University and Bill Gates ID2020.org

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/un-want-global-power-to-tax-10-for-the-coronavirus/
The United Nations has now produced a 26-page report, outlining an action plan to address the various socio-economic impacts of Covid-19 and the DESTRUCTION of the world economy which has been intentionally carried out by the left. The United States has been using Climate Change to try to create a one-world government order but they have run into way too much resistance. Climate Change is now dead. They have move on to something that they can threaten people will die IMMEDIATELY unless the surrender all their freedoms. The agenda of the Climate Change was to seize industry and effectively nationalize them. They will do that now by virtually bankrupting them and the state will just take them over. This is the scheme that was even talked about in Germany to nationalize companies since they cannot bail them out.
This is the oldest trick in the book. The United Nations is seeking the power to IMPOSE a 10% global tax on everyone for what they are describing as a “global health crisis unlike any in the 75-year history of the United Nations.” This is because they has conspired to create one out of a hyped up virus. You would thing this is at the level of a Black Death.

Unfortunately this looks like a coup by the globalists. UN now want to tax us. Gordon Brown wants a one world government of the UN. Cashless society to be announced with negative interest rates. Id chips for all from Bill Gates, ID2020.org and John Hopkins University that did a pandemic drill last October!

Heat kills the virus, so smoking is the way forward, especially if you dont smoke.

About 23 minutes into the podcast there is a discussion of an alleged outcry from the public demanding a full lockdown. This outcry did not come from the public. It came from the MSM who (as usual) position themselves as the “voice of the people” and demand action from those in power. Simultaneously (as usual) the MSM give advice to “the people” on what they should feel and what they should be most concerned or angry about.

These political middlemen decided not to bother reporting the full extent of Lord Sumpton’s criticisms of the lockdown presumably because it did not fit their agenda. As a result most people think that he only criticised the police heavy-handedness.

I am commenting as I listen, so apologies for the flurry of posts. You gents are keeping me sane right now.

I am proud to be free and resent the hell out of these restrictions, not only because they are authoritarian but also because I strongly doubt their effectiveness. As Peter says, the alleged cure is worse than the disease.

This sunday, April 5th, will be the first country wide warm sunny day – lets see who will remain inside then?

At the moment deaths are running a little below the peak of deaths in the small flu surge we had in Dec19/Jan20. No one reported that, of course…

What I want to know is, why didn’t they shut the world down then?

Momentous times and a momentous occasion, strange bedfellows indeed, and so necessary, who would have guessed it , Peter Hitchens and BON, together making the case to defend our freedoms against an authoritarian and irrational destructive establishment.
Full credit to these guys, eloquent, rational and yet passionate, basic values need defending against a new imposed moral climate.
Time to forget past allegiances, the crisis society faces, indeed humanity and its gains are under threat , matthusian misanthropy and other regressive ideas dominates, we have a weak irrational political class unable to resist, time to build anew, but on firm defined basic values.
Hitchens is too pessimistic when he says too much has been lost we may not recover, we can and we will, we always have, there are dark days ahead and we have some now but we have our humanity that we must defend and understand is the source of the solution despite those among us who believe otherwise.
Sumption is also wrong about one thing, the driving force is not an uncontrolled mass hysteria, the hysteria, the irrationalism comes from a tiny section of society that has lost control, its years of managerialism unable to deal with an existential issue , it has panicked , taken the wrong path and worse still believed it is correct and it will try to find a way to make us all pay the price and the very worst thing, expect us to accept the consequences.
We still have agency, we need to find a way to use it to rid ourselves of the problem, much will depend upon it. Well done guys.

In this lockdown, Accurate Information is priceless.

I have been been watching the Total Mortality figures. They come out a week in arrears, but they have the merit of not being able to be misinterpreted.

Total Cases is a figure dependent on the tests that are done – which is admitted to be minimal. Total Deaths attributed to Covid is equally a variable figure. We have about 2000 people dying every day in a normal winter – perhaps 500 die from a respiratory disease. Until the Covid Deaths figure passes 500 per day, it could simply refer to the normal number of pneumonia fatalities.

But the Total Mortality figures are absolute. If there is an epidemic (as there usually is each winter) you can easily see the excess deaths it causes. The most useful places to look are:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2019-to-2020
https://www.euromomo.eu

We now have the latest Mortality Figures (for last week). They come out on Thursdays.

For the UK, deaths are up 2 standard deviations. This is a rise from below the average baseline for this time of year. However, the rise is not high. It is not as high as, for instance, the rate in December/January this year. It is well below that of the flu in 2016/17 and 2017/18. No doubt it will go higher, but at present deaths are nowhere near a bad flu year.

We also have the latest Emergency Departments bulletin. This states that “During week 13 there was a further decrease in the total number of ED attendances, however the number of pneumonia attendances increased.”

Such a rise indicates there is an increased prevalence of virus-related respiratory disease, but suggests no pressure on the system overall. Taking last December/January as an example of a low winter flu epidemic, pneumonia-related admissions during this period peaked well above 3,500 per week. At the moment they are running at 1,500.

It will be interesting to see if this gets as bad as last December, when, if I recall correctly, there was no lockdown of the UK, nor any suggestion that there should be.

Thank you, gentlemen for this interview.

It was refreshing to be able to listen to Peter Hitchens talk openly and without being interrupted.

We live in disturbing times, indeed.

Truly a wonderful interview, and one of the only ones in recent days in which the journalist has not sought to talk all over P Hitchens and stop him from making his points. I think the lack of democracy is a huge thing. If you can’t leave your house and can’t even meet other members of society not in your immediate family, how can democratic debate function? Most British people will simply not know what their neighbours think of this lockdown. What if you wanted to organise a demonstration against this or any other policy? How can basic civil and political rights (to organise politically and hold peacefully demonstrations) suddenly become illegal?

But what are we actually, practically, going to do about this catastrophe? it’s as if a mass psychosis has taken over the populous, it’s not just the media whipping people up into a frenzy and social media echoing this hysteria, many sections of the population seem to welcome this control. It’s a perfect storm building up over a number of years and the scary thing is fear of the virus and the supposed solution to keep us safe strikes hard against what it is to be human – our sociability. It’s quite frightening. This is the new face of fascism for the 21st century but instead of the swastika you have the NHS logo.

But WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT???

Peter Hitchens reading Oz – that does surprise me.

Bangladesh just lost £2.4billion in garment orders. This will have a devastating effect on a developing country. China predicts 0% GDP growth and the US now had almost 10 million new unemployed. The two largest economies in the world are on their knees.

How is it Piers Morgan gets to sneer at construction workers in London or other people going to work on the tube when he himself goes to work on breakfast telly? I am assuming he doesn’t have to travel on packed tube. He claims his job is “essential” but does that mean it cannot be done from home? Note to Piers: building a house cannot be done from home, reading the news can.