‘In this lockdown, dissent is a moral duty’

Peter Hitchens joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss the coronavirus crisis.

Peter Hitchens, one of the most outspoken opponents of the coronavirus lockdown, joins spiked’s editor for the latest episode of The Brendan O’Neill Show. They discuss the rush to shut down democracy, dissent and the economy in response to Covid-19.

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Linda Payne

5th April 2020 at 8:01 pm

One area that particularly concerns me is the changes in the Mental Health Act. Sectioning can now be done by one doctor as apposed to two and time limits on detention extended or suspended. This legislation is in place for the next two years (although apparantly it can be ‘turned off on on’ during that time by government). The irony is that psychaitrists have had to section patients that do not really meet the threshold in order to secure them a bed due to the lack of beds in the NHS. Police have the power to section and it remains to be seen as to how they will use it in these times; we could see people languishing on wards or police cells which is a gross violation of their rights.

John Hopkins

9th April 2020 at 7:29 am

Wes we need to stay vigilant. I recall a youtube vid of a tayotally innocent man from Glasgow, there was something about a car he bought or hired. He received a strange phone message, something to do with his wife and that he need to get rid of this vehicle…sorryI have been vague ..trying to jog your mrnoty. Th upshot, the Strathclyde Police arrested him. He found hinself sectiobrd without him knowing what he was about to face…Only when he was banged up did he realse the scenario…To my kmowledge he spen 7 yrs banged up…His story is extraordinaty. not least his daily struggle and fortitude of character and strength of min…I think you could find it on Richplanet TV, Richard D Hall…..That piece by Hitchen….all I would say WHOA ! boy it`s obly been a 5 minute restricion, hardly a Lockdown FFS…….But Yes we must monitor the situ constant to find what and if there is a long term plan.I am aware about the mental health act etc



John Hopkins

9th April 2020 at 7:49 am

PS sorry for the spellings rtc I am aware of it. burt saw it too late…I don`t see the ecreen when I`m typing..It`s kind to the side behind my view…nothing sinister..

Brian Steere

4th April 2020 at 11:09 pm

Surely I see a globalist pandemic run by extremely clever well crafted and totally funded social engineers. Who is WHO – look at the funding. Follow the money and the network of control that consolidates always by transfer of wealth and rights for toxic debt slavery. This global coup/subjection is a mind management exercise under unprecedented media blitz, for a media catastrophe that distorts what is as yet under the average for (pneumonia) deaths and is simply a part of the yearly cycle but crowned under a novel psychological threat operating an increasingly lockstep in locking down.
The demonstration of the power to choke a global economy – and enforce compliance and obedience to demands that make no sense – except as propaganda that establishes narrative conformity.
“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.”
~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives

brian brown

5th April 2020 at 3:51 pm

I do apologise for doing a reply but as another pointed out it seems to be the only way to comment,sorry brian. Ive noticed a guy on here called jonge or Yonge?? he certainly doesn’t like peter who I admire though do not always agree with which is as it should be,im just wondering who this yong or bong or whatever his monika is…..IS? seems to know everything and likes the look of his own words and is not backward in letting us know so. sorry folks but he was getting up my nose,im a nurse and am currently working at st marys iow on the covid wards and I agree 100% with peters analogy of this thing,im seeing it first hand and its not what the publics being told,people dying….and weve had none yet……..are dying of other issues not c19,the tests too only look for viral pathogens and not specifically c19….there is no test just for c19 ok and I would say80% of us if not more are carrying a corona of some sort or more and this is where the numbers are coming from,its completely over the top nonsense being magnified by a media with its own agendas like morgan not allowing peter to talk the other morning and that schill dr Hillary saying well im amazed at what peters saying yada yada or that awful dr Jarvis on the Jeremy vile show on c5 that always has the same old faces every week like reality film stars or psychologists that Jordan Peterson wouldn’t even acknowledge as being such and if this sort of garbage is where most are getting their info from then I despair. considering we are a small island….the iow that is we should have hundreds of sick here???? we were told 2 weeks ago we were two weeks behind Italy??well done imperial college…wrong again and I would just like to add is it really that surprising that Wuhan one of the most polluted places on earth had so many respiratory deaths? and did you known northern Italy is known as the china of Italy because its so polluted?probably not but it is. but what do I know I just work on a c19 ward. And could Yonge or whatever please fold yourself up neatly and put yourself quietly away in the drawer of forgotten gob…… thankyou.

Carlos Varange

5th April 2020 at 4:54 pm

This virus is a totally manufactured hoax designed to depopulate us through our total subjugation. I stumbled across this link form Deagel a leading forecasting agency used by the military – just look at the forecast population for the UK 2025 from 67 million to 14 MILLION PEOPLE this is planned genocide via 5G and vaccines…WAKE UP EVERYONE

James Leech

8th April 2020 at 7:15 pm

Doesn’t your lavender jumpsuit needs ironing ?

Carlos Varange

5th April 2020 at 8:47 pm

Bang on the money pity so few people are clued up

Tommy Rhodes

13th April 2020 at 5:10 pm

I agree with the comments re WHO but I feel that they (WHO) are merely commenting on the poor state of health care globally. We in the uk have had a massive generation of people, born up until around the end of the 1950’s, who paid into the nhs to support (mainly) the elderly and the sick of that time (now mainly deceased).

However, as that massive cohort got old themselves it is now obvious that whilst they paid in enough to care for their parent’s much shorter living, smaller generation, it wasnt enough to pay for their own care. And as that massive generation did not themselves produce a subsequent massive generation of children, those children, the children of the most affected by cv, now cannot afford to pay for their massive numbers of elderly parents via the nhs.

The over 60’s are the wealthiest section of society in the uk. Surely the answer going forward is to means test pensions and use the additional funds saved to fund the care for that generation.

Younger generations, not blessed with basics such as cheap, decent housing or a free higher education, or decent pensions in the future, cannot afford to pay for the massive generation who were lucky enough to have all of those things and retire earlier too.


4th April 2020 at 12:29 pm

Complain to the police about our house arrest…YES it is an EMERGENCY.
We need our freedom returned to REALLY care and help their comfortable self isolation …if needed.
Call 999 and register your .
So they realise we /I have not consented to Fascism


4th April 2020 at 12:17 pm

OH censored … why ?

Carrie Ryan

4th April 2020 at 5:18 pm

Sorry to use your comment to launch my own but there appears to only be a reply button. Thank goodness for courageous people like Peter Hitchens who has a platform to air the grave concerns shared by many of us who have the sense not to trust the State and the presence of mind not to be taken in by hysterical panic mongers. The figures on deaths will continue to rise until they equal the normal average daily death rate in the UK because the virus is now classed as “notifiable”. This means that, as cv is highly contagious but in 99% of cases Mild, an increasing number of people who die of other causes eg cancer, pneumonia,heart attack will have the virus present will be counted as cv deaths, even though they die of other causes. So we can confidently predict that the numbers will eventually rise to 1600 per day. What will the beeb make of that? Thank goodness those smart Swedes are going to provide a control by measuring only those actually dying of cv.
Meanwhile our Supreme Leader is destroying businesses, jobs, futures, pensions and investments and the right to liberty.

Randle Sidney

4th April 2020 at 12:46 am

Has anyone actually read the Coronavirus Bill (HC Bill 122)?

Starts off well enough:


Secretary Matt Hancock has made the following statement under section 19(1)(a) of
the Human Rights Act 1998:

In my view the provisions of the Coronavirus Bill are compatible with the Convention rights.

get to page 193 though…

25CHealth protection regulations: domestic

(1)The Department of Health may by regulations make provision for
the purpose of preventing, protecting against, controlling or
30providing a public health response to the incidence or spread of
infection or contamination in Northern Ireland (whether from risks
originating there or elsewhere).

(2)The power in subsection (1) may be exercised—

(a)in relation to infection or contamination generally or in
35relation to particular forms of infection or contamination, and

(b)so as to make provision of a general nature, to make
contingent provision or to make specific provision in
response to a particular set of circumstances.

(3)Regulations under subsection (1) may in particular include

(a)imposing duties on registered medical practitioners or other
persons to record and notify cases or suspected cases of
infection or contamination,

(b)conferring on the Regional Agency or other persons
45functions in relation to the monitoring of public health risks,

(c)imposing or enabling the imposition of restrictions or
requirements on or in relation to persons, things or premises
in the event of, or in response to, a threat to public health.

Coronavirus BillPage 193
(4)The restrictions or requirements mentioned in subsection (3)(c)
include in particular—

(a)a requirement that a child is to be kept away from school,

(b)a prohibition or restriction relating to the holding of an event
5or gathering,

(c)a restriction or requirement relating to the handling,
transport, burial or cremation of dead bodies or the handling,
transport or disposal of human remains, and

(d)a special restriction or requirement.

(5)10The power in subsection (1) is subject to section 25D.

(6)For the purposes of this Part a “special restriction or requirement”
means any of the following restrictions or requirements—

(a)that a person submit to medical examination;

(b)that a person be removed to a hospital or other suitable

(c)that a person be detained in a hospital or other suitable

(d)that a person be kept in isolation or quarantine;

(e)that a person be disinfected or decontaminated;

(f)20that a person wear protective clothing;

(g)that a person provide information or answer questions about
the person’s health or other circumstances;

(h)that a person’s health be monitored and the results reported;

(i)that a person attend training or advice sessions on how to
25reduce the risk of infecting or contaminating others;

(j)that a person be subject to restrictions on where the person
goes or with whom the person has contact;

(k)that a person abstain from working or trading;

(l)that a thing be seized or retained;

(m)30that a thing be kept in isolation or quarantine;

(n)that a thing be disinfected or decontaminated;

(o)in the case of a dead body, that the body be buried or

(p)in any other case, that a thing be destroyed or disposed of;

(q)35that premises be closed;

(r)that, in the case of a conveyance or movable structure, the
conveyance or structure be detained;

(s)that premises be disinfected or decontaminated;

(t)that, in the case of a building, conveyance or structure, the
40premises be destroyed.

So… take away your livelihood, imprison you in hospital and destroy your house.

Nice – didn’t read that on the BBC

jane manby

3rd April 2020 at 2:54 pm

As to the conformity of the intellectual classes and how they are jumped on if they resent, it is just the same for the working classes.. just look at facebook to confirm that only the accusations are you are murdering people.
The snitching of people on their neighbours will divide us in the same way families were divided in the miners strikes. There are still families in South Yorkshire who do not talk to each other today.
We have been taught to do this
I don’t think global warming is man made …… you Climate change denser.
There is never a middle ground anymore.
Plus we compete for dopamine hits on face book (likes) and virtue signalling does that… just jump on someone who tries to add some reason and everyone will give you a like and then jump n them too for their own dopamine hit.

jane manby

3rd April 2020 at 2:30 pm

There are people who are saying that we will be taught a lesson by mother nature and if the world is better after it will be good … well not good for those who have died or lost everything. I think these peple believe they are cushioned from anything bad happening to them. Which to me seems to mean they are happy some will be sacrificed

jane manby

3rd April 2020 at 2:28 pm

The criteria fr what is a pandemic was changed last year it used to be a pandemic was that which killed more people than the flu and could not be defined until after the event.

A French company patented the Corvid19 in November last year.

II believe this has been in the UK earlier than stated as I myself and others had illness that ticks all the boxes for Corvid19 some before Christmas, me in January.

The lack of overall deaths has not gone to according to World meter and the deaths form flu are much less if this was real then we should expect to see an increase in the overall death rate.

I’m over 60 and in a vulnerable group and also feel resentful that I am being used as the excuse to do this to people. I feel that I have been reduced to the status of a child or pet with no say in what I do and everything is done for or to me without my say so.

lso a rise in people believing complete rubbish and putting forward all kinds of conspiracies but can you blame them because I am at a loss to understand why every government in the world is destroying its economy.

Pauline May

3rd April 2020 at 2:45 pm

Well said Jane. The world seems to be committing wilful Hari Kiri. Their supposed cure being far worse than the original problem. From now on, I will have zero faith in politicians and even the medical profession have become tarnished.

Carrie Ryan

4th April 2020 at 6:23 pm

I had all the symptoms of cv in December and believe I caught it from my friend who had it in November. He husband who was a stroke survivor in his 70s had it and refused to go to the doctor, he eventually collapsed and was put on a ventilator. I took my friend to see him before he died of pneumonia in late November. The medical professionals could not at that time identify the virus. I firmly believe it was cv and therefore in this part of North Yorkshire in early November if not before.
We are not being told the truth.

steve moxon

3rd April 2020 at 2:15 pm

Yonge STILL doesn’t get anything about this does he? Nothing at all.
* Excess mortality is still not significantly above normal, indicating that people are NOT dying of the new virus in significant numbers, but instead mainly of their co-morbidities.
* Modelling as well as widespread reports of infection up to half a year ago indicates that a very large proportion of the population has already been infected, so ‘lockdown’ is useless and serves only to wreck the economy.
* With any illness there are individuals who dies despite not (or not seemingly) belonging to any ‘at risk’ group, for a variety of reasons and unusual combinations of factors, so focus on these individuals reveals little.
Does he have a maths or science qualification at all? Did he even pass general studies?
Common sense?

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 2:53 pm

MSc Artificial Intelligence
( because I have none of my own apparently 😉

steve moxon

3rd April 2020 at 2:58 pm

Ah, but intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean you ask the right questions.
Have you switched on yer AI machine to see how it deal with the salient points?

Nerina Villa

10th May 2020 at 12:20 am

Great to see people talking from evidence not fear. I have lost a lot of faith in humanity but perhaps naive to have it in the first place. I want to move to Sweden.

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 1:22 pm

Unherd is very good.
Hitchens thinks that the covid figures cannot be trusted because the government ‘controls’ them.
Really ? https://www.bing.com/covid

Finally. He starts by saying he is no kind of expert, and then propounds his own technical analysis as though he were.

In summary. Hitchens firmly believes it is all a gigantic worldwide conspiracy to control us.

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 1:16 pm

Listen to Unherd’s podcast with Hitchens:
– He has seen a lot of government dishonesty
– so he suspects the government has made a terriblemistake
– he doesn’t like government control
– he might see some justification for government control if there was a Martian invasion or bubonic plague. ‘Might’

He ignores all othe countries, so presumably he thinks theire governments are dishonest too.

In summary. Hitchens doesn’t trust the UK government.
He insists he is not any kind of expert
Yet he has decided to ignore experts, why ?

Its very worrying that someone like Hitchens gets the coverage he does, but I’m afraid that’s what journalism is actually all about.

John Gaunt

4th April 2020 at 8:00 am

The important point is not whether Peter Hitchens has drawn his conclusions about liberty for the right reasons, it is that our liberties are genuinely, and permanently at risk.

He has chosen to point that out in his own way, which will put some off because he is Peter Hitchens, but that does not make the loss of liberty any less real.

John Stowell

3rd April 2020 at 11:44 am

How does Peter Hitchens pass as a public intellectual? This is absurdly reductive. Anyone who donates to this website is a mug.

Sorry guys, this is embarrassing.

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 12:05 pm

I agree.

Jimbob McGinty

3rd April 2020 at 12:34 pm

because hes intelligent, articulate and has courage in his conviction?
This applies whether you agree or disagree with the man. Dont be embarrassed about it.

bf bf

3rd April 2020 at 12:45 pm

Remember to clap for the NHS like a good little “useful i***t”

Dodgy Geezer

3rd April 2020 at 11:32 am

The Euro Mortality Monitor has now updated with last Thursday’s figures. To remind people, these are Total Mortality. Thus, they provide reliable evidence of an epidemic.

Using Cases Detected figures is just a measure of testing efficiency, while Deaths From Covid depends on correct diagnosis, and includes people who would probably have died shortly from something else. Total Mortality figures show us how many EXTRA people (if any) are dying, which are the figures which ought to interest people. They are, however, a week behind what is happening now.

We are seeing a slight rise in the number of elderly deaths across Europe, but the bulk of the population (up to 65 years old) is still unaffected.

Countries experiencing a rise are:

Belgium, France, Malta (though theirs seems over now), Switzerland and the UK. Italy and Spain have high peaks, comparable to recent flu epidemics of 2016/17. So far, therefore, the impact has been that of a mild flu year. For Italy, it is still equivalent of 16/17 – they had it quite bad then…

Many countries have essentially unchanged mortality. Notable here are Germany, with a high testing strategy, and Sweden, with no lockdown. This provides a useful insight into which countermeasures are working.

On the home front, Ireland, Wales and Scotland all have no rise. I suspect that the rise in England is mainly driven by London. For the UK, even just England, it is nowhere near as fatal as the winter of 2017/18, though hot-spots in London may approach this.

steve moxon

3rd April 2020 at 2:36 pm

How does Mt Yonge address this?!
He doesn’t, because evidently he hasn’t even considered it — not any other point made by those seriously questioning ‘lockdown’.

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 11:27 am

I wish I could convince myself that the articles and comments on here would be any different during any disaster.
But I cannot.

Such fine minds so little wisdom.

Jimbob McGinty

3rd April 2020 at 12:31 pm

i disagree. Fine minds yes, but so little wisdom? Articulate and intelligent are the hallmarks of this site, both above and below the line, and whether one agrees or disagrees with the propositions or politics, its always a good read and broadens ones mind to debate beyond the MSM and received wisdom. Very important brain food.

‘In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act’

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 1:37 pm

I think there are sites like the one you describe, but Spiked is not one of them.
The ‘schtick’ is free speech and that is very good, but if you compare the interview with Hitchens on here with that on Unherd, you will see what I mean.

Puddy Cat

3rd April 2020 at 9:11 am

I am beginning to regret my trumpeting of individualism, especially when I see what panic it can do in this theatre of dreams. The current environment is a playground for absurdists and miserablists. The only organ in this country that can muster the resources and contrive a brains trust to fight our current situation is the government, which, if you have a sensible suggestion to ameliorate our situation, I am sure would love to hear it.

The lack of fortitude and focus is staggering and does not reflect well on the general population. Meanwhile, in enclaves of the self-possessed, one can see staggering examples of community relations working harmoniously and instinctively. We have to come to terms with casual and determined way in which society has been disregarded, only referred to as a resource. The somewhere’s and the anywhere’s argument is cogent. Without unity and the structures of concerned and united societies we are more inclined to be targets for authoritarianism, for it will be the only body that you can rely on, the only recourse.

We are all hyperbole and superstition and our fright in the realisation of how puny we are in the face of nature, sparking all manner of rites and offerings to propitiate the gods of cruel mayhem. The British Home Fleet at the Battle of Jutland had a technological advantage in its hardware but received a bit of a smacking by a German Fleet that had better communications. While the British lost contact with each other in the fog of gun smoke the Germans remained cohesive and functioning. We are currently losing contact with our purpose and direction of travel because individualism cannot adapt to mass action. While the free spirit and individual enterprise is to be praised in less febrile times, when there is a national crises we show we cannot be selfless. Instead of showing individual fortitude and temperance we slough off our responsibility and resolution and conjure some mythic saviours riding forth to save us like this NHS. Long before all of this brewed up we knew the NHS and the Civil Service were unreformed and wasteful entities that required reform and yet, now, they are symbols of last hope? When the smoke settles something big has to happen. Currently much of our lives are not dissimilar to the action of decorating the hall in your house by accessing it through the letterbox.

Claire D

3rd April 2020 at 10:08 am

Brilliant comment Puddy Cat.

Claire D

3rd April 2020 at 10:38 am

However, I think we must put some hope with both the NHS and the Civil Service as they are right now. We will get through this and they’re doing a great job in the circumstances.

Ron Carlin

3rd April 2020 at 5:16 am

I have to praise Peter for his principled stance. I was where he is about 5 days ago, and have now managed to escape the zombie movie, but it hasn’t been easy. I will share my experience. This is far worse than you realise: we are in the middle of a global nervous breakdown. Forget disease, medical health, the economy, the catastrophe of global poverty; our biggest problem is the mental health of the whole globe which may take decades to recover. There is a way out of the mental health spiral.
I have traced the evolution of the great panic of 2020 (by the way the panic has been caused by totally imaginary fears, forget the virus).I could give the timeline of what was happening to the human mind- that’s for the future discussion. The key event was triggered by Neil Ferguson of Imperial College who used a ridiculously flawed model called “Flattening the Curve”. China, Italy had preceded his research, and he was in a panic.The shut down by Boris Johnson based on this flawed research cascaded throughout the world causing the complete nervous breakdown of everybody on the planet.There is a way out of the nightmare, we can rescue them still.
Solution: Firstly, recognise that everybody is living in a bad meme. The containment/suppression phase is simply unattainable, and has been known to be unattainable by any sane person for at least a few weeks. The only answer is managed herd immunity (I know, your brain is screaming eugenics).If nature had been let alone, this is what would have happened. It is a natural process, and is the way nature protects the group (sorry Richard Dawkins). We are homo sapiens (even though I’m not so sure now) so we can manage it.Our biggest problem now is to get the global population to switch to it.Right, let me try to get you to accept it.
Firstly, accept the following 2 facts: we are all going to be infected, and there is not going to be a vaccine. This is where the human brain goes into a tailspin. But, regardless of the enormous fear this is what is going to happen. Virologists/epidemiologists know this, but their brains are also in a panic.Once you accept that nature has given us a horrible scenario, you can move on. You must move because there is no other possibilty, Ignoring reality is the major part of our problems. Now, and I promise you this, a golden future opens up and the nightmare disappears. It’s magic’ I have been out of the zombie world and my mental health has been restored. So now we are in the new meme: we are doing managed herd immunity (people don’t like the word herd, maybe we should call it community immunity management). First, cancel all shut downs and lockouts worldwide. When the globe starts screaming that everybody will be infected, calm them down and tell them that this was always inevitable ever since we left containment/suppression phase. People will have to have the mental fortitude to accept this. With the current state of the collective global mind, this will be the biggest hurdle. Brainwash: accept reality, accept reality; get out of your zombie state. There will be 5,000,000,000 infections world wide. It’s the reality. But here is a trick that nature does that is truly wonderful: for each infection it will also innoculate/vaccinate you. Bad and good. It’s the wonder of nature that protects the future of the herd/group (sorry Richard Dawkins). The death rate will immediately go up (of course), but the final toll will be the same. This panic stricken population has simply been delaying the horror till later. Let’s accept the brutal facts of nature. The great panic has been triggered by our inability to accept reality. Ok, now for the horror. 5,000,000,000 infections/innoculations worldwide; 2,000,000 deaths in America (here I’m working on 330,000,000 X 1% X65%; death rate 1%, total herd immunity at 65%). I want to say we really have no idea what the quantum will be; a major part of our panic comes from the unknown. But whatever the figure, you can’t run away from it.Enough of the horrors, now for the good news. We must manage firstly by quarantining the elderly/co-morbidity to protect them from nature selecting the weak. They can fit into the 30% uninfected when we reach full herd immunity.Next step, emancipation. All shut downs lock downs worldwide cancelled.Everybody back to normal. Throw away all rules of infection control including hand sanitiser, safe distances,face masks. In the herd immunity management phase that we are now in it is positively patriotic to infect/innoculate everyone. Hug and kiss as much as possible; we need to get the immunity reservoir up as much as possible. Hopefully to the level it would have been without the misapplication of the containment/innoculation meme. Bad memes need to be squashed viciously. The zombie world will disappear. The other nightmares such as lack of test/masks go away. You don’t need to test: everybody is getting the virus. You don’t want to protect yourself: you positively want to infect/innoculate.It’s worthwhile to keep anti-body testing on a randomised sampling way to see how the immunity reservoir is building. Individual testing would be purely of a psychological nature because remember everybody will get the virus. Now let us gracefully endure the illnes, which for most of us will not be serious. Hospitals and ventilators should be avoided: that’s another whole scandal caused by the great panic.Even the elderly should have the freedom to choose whether they want to risk it (they can’t harm anybody and nobody can harm them except to give them the universal infection/innoculation).Welcome back zombies.

impending doom

3rd April 2020 at 7:15 am

So much sense here! but who the hell will listen to this? The elite seem to have collectively lost their minds, even spiked in parts (or individuals at least) are going along with the whole social distancing/self isolation thing as is most of the ‘left’. Yes vulnerable should be protected but they should also be allowed to take their own risks. Resources should be targeted at this group. Elderly people are suffering now being cooped up in their homes, away from their families and friends which will almost certainly shorten the lives of some of them if it continues for months. It will be interesting to see what happens in Sweden.

steve moxon

3rd April 2020 at 3:11 pm

Absolutely right.
Furthermore, shortly will become widely available anti-virals to damp down viral load: given that COVID-19 has the same protein cell-entering component of the virus (the protein s-word you can’t write on here because they think you’re attacking this website) as H.I.V., then the now generic drugs that are used to prevent H.I.V. becoming A.I.D.S. can be used to treat COVID-19 as soon as it develops into or threatens to develop into a serious respiratory illness, thereby saving those in ‘at risk’ groups from needing to go into ICUs.

steve moxon

3rd April 2020 at 3:08 pm

Absolutely right.
Furthemore, shortly will become widely available anti-virals to damp down viral load: given that COVID-19 has the same ‘protein spike’ (the cell-entering component of the virus) as HIV, then the now generic drugs that are used to prevent HIV becoming AIDS can be used to treat COVID-19 as soon as it develops into or threatens to develop into a serious respiratory illness, thereby saving those in ‘at risk’ groups from needing to go into ICUs.

Art Thomas

4th April 2020 at 2:53 pm

I think you’ve nailed it, Ron. That’s been the premise I’m operating on. I’m not sure most people want the responsibility for deciding for themselves what to do in this situation. They are overcome by fear and are quite content to let Big Brother decide for them. When San Francisco went on mandatory lock-down one store owner was so happy because she couldn’t bring herself to close her business on her own. Years ago a friend who loved to smoke couldn’t wait for the state to outlaw smoking! Decidophobia might be the mental “illness” you are describing.

Lyn Keay

11th April 2020 at 6:23 pm

If I wanted to let nature win I’d go and live in a Teepee in Wales.


3rd April 2020 at 2:48 am

Boris has, with a sleight of hand , by using the slogan Get Brexit Done, managed to Get Communism Done. There will be no more small business capitalism , virtually everything will be connected to the public sector/big business . We are a load of sheep who have been herded into our pens. and unlike the sheep (who have more sense) we are actually applauding ourselves.

T Zazoo

3rd April 2020 at 2:26 am

Good job by Peter Hitchens. It’s like listening to Paul and wondering what John would have said but good job nonetheless.

Mor Vir

2nd April 2020 at 11:07 pm

An interesting theory from Hitchens that people “lose” virtue by acting contrary to it and then “cannot” act virtuously. Not merely infused divine habits but even natural virtues. One can never assume how Protestants understand their religion until one has discussed with the individual, because they tend to hold all sorts of peculiar doctrines. His Anglican church has no explicit, detailed doctrine of grace and virtue.

AFAIK, the normal classical (pagan) teaching is that all virtues are habits of the soul that may be strengthened or weakened through action, which then makes virtuous action easier or harder but not impossible. They are not “lost” by a contrary action such as that one then “cannot” act virtuously. People get better or worse at virtue, they do not totally lose it through a single act such that they can then never regain it or build it up again.

Mor Vir

2nd April 2020 at 11:34 pm

Hitchens leans toward what he terms ‘pessimistic’ Christianity, which may colour his attitude to our recovery from this temporary loss of liberty.

Hitchens seems to be saying that we cannot regain liberty once we have given it up, because we have acted viciously (unvirtuously) and thus “lost” the ability to act virtuously such as to act to regain liberty. That pessimistic view of our ability to regain liberty may be informed by his pessimistic view of the virtues.

As I say, only a detailed conversation could establish what is going on in his thinking. But it would seem to be a potentially dangerous, defeatist attitude to take.

In fact, society often goes forward and not just backwards. It evolves, it does not just ’emanate’ downwards from some ideal starting point as the virtues are gradually lost from the population. Society becomes more ‘virtuous’ at times, it is not a one way street.

We have achieved a degree of liberty that we once did not have. I personally do not see this temporary setback as insurmountable. Ironically, I am quite optimistic about this one. I see us returning to normal soon.

In fact, we will demand more liberty as we renew our taste for it after this temporary deprivation. We will appreciate and celebrate our practical liberty all the more and demand more of it. We will be a stronger society for this act of mass solidarity to save lives.

We will be kinder, more considerate people who have learnt to value each other. We yearn for the continuation of the fullness of life, not just for ourselves but for all of us. One can hope in any case. Of course we always must be vigilant in our liberties but I am not pessimistic about this scenario.

A complete collapse of the economy would put us in uncharted territory however. Still, the government thinks that it can avoid that with state support.

Rob Newman

2nd April 2020 at 10:17 pm

As usual, good dissent and critical thought. Even if I disagree, BON and PH are important to listen to, so thank you Spiked, but what i find galling, frustrating and consistent with everything spiked have put out on Corona virus, is that not once has anyone offered an alternative action to that implemented by the Govt. . As to PH saying that ‘staying at home’ is not proven to make any difference, that really is an astonishing assumption. But hey, maybe I’m just an idiot…So… let’s see, when we all know the facts. I just wish Spiked would not talk in a constant echo chamber, and just one time give us ideas and thoughts as to how we could have done differently to avoid multiple deaths of NHS workers and Doctors. Merely saying ‘this is wrong’ or ‘it’s an affront to our liberty’ strikes me as the very emotional response that you are so against… I might disagree, but i do have an open mind and it’s why i read Spiked. More than happy to have my mind changed, but give me something other than, bah humbug, PLEASE!!!

Steve Roberts

3rd April 2020 at 11:12 am

Rob its lazy on your part to expect Spiked alone to provide you with an alternative. There are huge amounts of articles , podcasts, data, historical and present about how viral situations have and ought to be managed.
There are a lot of experts in the particular field saying that this entire approach is irrational, disproportionate and many saying that in so many ways it will cost lives not save them, i did post a small list recently on anaother thread, that would be a start.

Catharine Knowles

2nd April 2020 at 10:11 pm

But how do we dissent?

Adam Hiley

2nd April 2020 at 11:11 pm

quite easy forget EastEnders and watching a fat nobody from TOWIE falling over on ice and defend what past generations fought the Nazis for Boris must go now


3rd April 2020 at 4:04 am

There was an article saying 100 rights groups say ‘the world is sleepwalking into a surveillance state’ due to measures taken to control the virus .Among the comments were -I’m ok if it keeps people alive and if we are not careful this virus will make the human race extinct. As there has been 50,000 deaths worldwide and 1 million have the virus (but most will survive) thats quite a few billion people left before we become extinct-but with newspapers using terms like ‘pandemic explodes’they are deliberately causing fear amongst the gullible.

Adam Hiley

2nd April 2020 at 11:13 pm

Jimbob McGinty

3rd April 2020 at 9:53 am

Ignore the lockdown. Not ostentatiously, but quietly, but also with head held high. ignore the filth, the grasses, the warden hodgeses. Stand tall and just go about your life (frugally!) it will catch on, especially now weve got some nice weather.
now its sunny, people will realise what theyre missing. its done nowt but p1ss down here in Devon since September, i think even before ‘Storm February’, we’d had about a metre and a half of rain since last autumn. But settled weather is back, spring is arriving with a vengeance, and a bank holiday weekend too. Get out and enjoy this green pleasant land.
Thats my dissent. enough people copy and itll catch on, even the curtain twitchers will join us coz they cant beat us.

Paul Duffin

3rd April 2020 at 1:09 pm

Agreed. Just be careful not to keep your distance from others. Stand aside while they walk down the path. Dissent against bureaucratic rules enforced by jobsworths that don’t make people safer is fine. Endangering others by not keeping yourself clean or getting too close to them is not.

Prudence is the key.

Adam Hiley

3rd April 2020 at 6:13 pm

that’s what I say Jimbo if everyone rebelled the Police wouldn’t cope guess why the Tories also cut Police numbers in 9 Years of Government, We owe the previous Generations to guarantee Our Freedoms they fought for against Nazism for example freenations.net

Lyn Keay

11th April 2020 at 6:13 pm

Volunteer, go out and help your neighbours, knock on doors ask if they need anything. Talk to them.

James Alexander

2nd April 2020 at 9:53 pm

Powerful stuff. Makes me so sad to think of how easily Britons have given up all our ancestors fought for.

Jimbob McGinty

3rd April 2020 at 9:56 am

its sad. 40 yrs of anaesthetisation with shiny consumer things

Emily Crews

2nd April 2020 at 9:35 pm

Thank you both. he Spectator has reported on Lord Sumption’s views, also R4- but why isn’t it enough? Boris is “proud to be free”, a thinking man- he’s not the only one- so why are we over a barrel to the prevailing thirst for paternalistic action?

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 3:09 pm

Why ? I don’t know..
Maybe if you were in ICU of a hospital you would find out
(hint: my daughter is a nurse)

Kenward Garg

2nd April 2020 at 9:33 pm

Same scenario for the invasion of Iraq in 2003: political and media lies and silence or acquiescence by the public.

sam wright

2nd April 2020 at 9:29 pm

Imperial College are part of the NWO pushing us to a one world government. As are John Hopkins University and Bill Gates ID2020.org

sam wright

2nd April 2020 at 9:09 pm

The United Nations has now produced a 26-page report, outlining an action plan to address the various socio-economic impacts of Covid-19 and the DESTRUCTION of the world economy which has been intentionally carried out by the left. The United States has been using Climate Change to try to create a one-world government order but they have run into way too much resistance. Climate Change is now dead. They have move on to something that they can threaten people will die IMMEDIATELY unless the surrender all their freedoms. The agenda of the Climate Change was to seize industry and effectively nationalize them. They will do that now by virtually bankrupting them and the state will just take them over. This is the scheme that was even talked about in Germany to nationalize companies since they cannot bail them out.
This is the oldest trick in the book. The United Nations is seeking the power to IMPOSE a 10% global tax on everyone for what they are describing as a “global health crisis unlike any in the 75-year history of the United Nations.” This is because they has conspired to create one out of a hyped up virus. You would thing this is at the level of a Black Death.

Adam Hiley

2nd April 2020 at 11:15 pm

the UN is like the EU way past it’s self by date leave it as well

Pauline May

3rd April 2020 at 11:43 am

You mean sell-by date, but otherwise, yes, you are so right. Both groups have become like the Holy Roman Empire – in name only and useless.

jane manby

4th April 2020 at 3:40 pm

Self isolating does not work, it didn’t work in the black death or the flu epidemic of 1918, The 1918 flu epidemic was referred to as an epidemic but declared a pandemic later because until last year a pandemic was that which killed more than the flu each year. The only isolation that works is to test diagnose then isolate like we used to do for scarlet fever etc. My brother was one of the last few taken t the fever hospital and we could not go see him but our parents could.. barrier nursing was used as it was used for visitors which was limited but not refused. This would not have been declared a pandemic under the criteria this time last year.

We have all hidden under our beds in fear of very little and the elderly etc have been used as the excuse. We must note that this changed every day , first the elderly were at risk, then when it was pointed out that just being elderly was not more at risk but if you had a compromised immune system, so that criteria was added and so it went on the same with the measures we need to take, wash hands, stay at home practise distancing, self isolation, social distancing, Now if you dare to go out you can be stopped by the police. Mixed and daft information you cannot drive to an isolated spot to walk your dog where you will see no one but walk locally and pass lots of people and witness the rise in dog poop on the streets as a result. And on And on..

No consultation with us if that was what we wanted to do to deal with this. I’m in a vulnerable group and would rather take my chances than hide under the bed but when people questioned that we should not go out the message and mantra changed to “save the NHS” very clever one that because how can anyone disagree with that one. We are hiding under the bed so we don’t catch something so numbers going to hospital are reduced, When that was questioned it was to keep safe the NHS staff who can argue with that and look good. The above would have some credence it anyone believed that this government gave a toss about either the old, sick, or NHS staff.

As it is becoming evidently clearer each day that vulnerable people are not going to be treated it highlights that the governments handling and delaying of help from financial to practical shambolic at the best and down right sinister at the worst.

What bothers me most is how very easily it was done with no descent. The whole world is under house arrest in weeks and it was achieved in days in most countries.

Carlos Varange

5th April 2020 at 8:52 pm

It’s pure tyranny

sam wright

2nd April 2020 at 9:08 pm

Unfortunately this looks like a coup by the globalists. UN now want to tax us. Gordon Brown wants a one world government of the UN. Cashless society to be announced with negative interest rates. Id chips for all from Bill Gates, ID2020.org and John Hopkins University that did a pandemic drill last October!

Paul Rayton

2nd April 2020 at 9:20 pm

I have to ask – how would all these measures stop viruses?

Pauline May

3rd April 2020 at 2:52 pm

Not help at all. They are simply cosmetic and designed to reassure a frightened public. They are like ack-ack guns during WW2. My parents said such guns didn’t really do much good. They were there simply to make it look as if we were defending ourselves, in other words cosmetic, as I said earlier.

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 3:41 pm

.. I think you forgot the pink flashing lizards from Betelgeuse invading earth.

Jimbob McGinty

3rd April 2020 at 7:36 pm

can i buy some acid off you?

Carrie Ryan

4th April 2020 at 6:41 pm

I agree. Some are arguing that this virus is being used a)as a cover to disguise current and future deaths from radiation poisoning caused by 5g electrification and b) to force us to take a vaccine with a nano chip that will allow tracking and control. As cv is now Notifiable then the panic will ensure deaths are counted as cv and not further investigated by post Mortimer especially as numbers increase rapidly with 5g roll out. Wuhan, Italy and Spain have had big roll outs and we are now in the process. In addition those really in charge want to crash the global economy and probably use hyper inflation to justify a new monetary system cashless of course and social credit so if you disobey, you don’t eat. Also I am hearing they want to get rid of the middle class and control commerce only from the top. So serfs and a few global oligarchs. Sounds crazy but did you expect to be under martial law and a policy of economic gen0cide.

Dominic Straiton

2nd April 2020 at 9:06 pm

Heat kills the virus, so smoking is the way forward, especially if you dont smoke.

Jimbob McGinty

2nd April 2020 at 9:12 pm

often put my healthy constitution down to a joint or two a day. cant see it gaining any traction in the prevailing narrative, but it works for me.

I couldnt disagree with much Hitchens said in the podcast, and disagree with everything he days about drugs,which makes him an interesting commentator

Paul Rayton

2nd April 2020 at 9:22 pm

Global warming, perhaps?

Brian Steere

4th April 2020 at 11:16 pm

A virus cannot be killed because it is not alive.
It is among other things a messaging system between cells.
It does not hijack anything – any more that this message hijacks your choosing to receive it.
There are fundamental misunderstandings in virology that are associated with trillion dollar markets. We become skinner’s lab rats.
However, I do not accept that as the basis from which i live and extend to other living beings.

K Tojo

2nd April 2020 at 8:57 pm

About 23 minutes into the podcast there is a discussion of an alleged outcry from the public demanding a full lockdown. This outcry did not come from the public. It came from the MSM who (as usual) position themselves as the “voice of the people” and demand action from those in power. Simultaneously (as usual) the MSM give advice to “the people” on what they should feel and what they should be most concerned or angry about.

These political middlemen decided not to bother reporting the full extent of Lord Sumpton’s criticisms of the lockdown presumably because it did not fit their agenda. As a result most people think that he only criticised the police heavy-handedness.

sam wright

2nd April 2020 at 9:25 pm

The press are lacky’s for the NWO and should be held to account for spreading lies

jane manby

4th April 2020 at 3:55 pm

Read Noam Chomsky on Engineered Response or what the film on youtube

CR Ave

2nd April 2020 at 8:32 pm

I am commenting as I listen, so apologies for the flurry of posts. You gents are keeping me sane right now.

CR Ave

2nd April 2020 at 8:19 pm

I am proud to be free and resent the hell out of these restrictions, not only because they are authoritarian but also because I strongly doubt their effectiveness. As Peter says, the alleged cure is worse than the disease.

Paul Rayton

2nd April 2020 at 8:16 pm

This sunday, April 5th, will be the first country wide warm sunny day – lets see who will remain inside then?

Dodgy Geezer

2nd April 2020 at 8:14 pm

At the moment deaths are running a little below the peak of deaths in the small flu surge we had in Dec19/Jan20. No one reported that, of course…

What I want to know is, why didn’t they shut the world down then?

CR Ave

2nd April 2020 at 8:22 pm

Why indeed?

Paul Rayton

2nd April 2020 at 9:18 pm

Pre-occupied with Christmas/Brexit? Now, perhaps, the cassandra covey require a fresh sacrifice to Phobos.

Steve Roberts

2nd April 2020 at 8:14 pm

Momentous times and a momentous occasion, strange bedfellows indeed, and so necessary, who would have guessed it , Peter Hitchens and BON, together making the case to defend our freedoms against an authoritarian and irrational destructive establishment.
Full credit to these guys, eloquent, rational and yet passionate, basic values need defending against a new imposed moral climate.
Time to forget past allegiances, the crisis society faces, indeed humanity and its gains are under threat , matthusian misanthropy and other regressive ideas dominates, we have a weak irrational political class unable to resist, time to build anew, but on firm defined basic values.
Hitchens is too pessimistic when he says too much has been lost we may not recover, we can and we will, we always have, there are dark days ahead and we have some now but we have our humanity that we must defend and understand is the source of the solution despite those among us who believe otherwise.
Sumption is also wrong about one thing, the driving force is not an uncontrolled mass hysteria, the hysteria, the irrationalism comes from a tiny section of society that has lost control, its years of managerialism unable to deal with an existential issue , it has panicked , taken the wrong path and worse still believed it is correct and it will try to find a way to make us all pay the price and the very worst thing, expect us to accept the consequences.
We still have agency, we need to find a way to use it to rid ourselves of the problem, much will depend upon it. Well done guys.

Jimbob McGinty

2nd April 2020 at 9:16 pm


Kenward Garg

2nd April 2020 at 9:51 pm


Dodgy Geezer

2nd April 2020 at 8:12 pm

In this lockdown, Accurate Information is priceless.

I have been been watching the Total Mortality figures. They come out a week in arrears, but they have the merit of not being able to be misinterpreted.

Total Cases is a figure dependent on the tests that are done – which is admitted to be minimal. Total Deaths attributed to Covid is equally a variable figure. We have about 2000 people dying every day in a normal winter – perhaps 500 die from a respiratory disease. Until the Covid Deaths figure passes 500 per day, it could simply refer to the normal number of pneumonia fatalities.

But the Total Mortality figures are absolute. If there is an epidemic (as there usually is each winter) you can easily see the excess deaths it causes. The most useful places to look are:


We now have the latest Mortality Figures (for last week). They come out on Thursdays.

For the UK, deaths are up 2 standard deviations. This is a rise from below the average baseline for this time of year. However, the rise is not high. It is not as high as, for instance, the rate in December/January this year. It is well below that of the flu in 2016/17 and 2017/18. No doubt it will go higher, but at present deaths are nowhere near a bad flu year.

We also have the latest Emergency Departments bulletin. This states that “During week 13 there was a further decrease in the total number of ED attendances, however the number of pneumonia attendances increased.”

Such a rise indicates there is an increased prevalence of virus-related respiratory disease, but suggests no pressure on the system overall. Taking last December/January as an example of a low winter flu epidemic, pneumonia-related admissions during this period peaked well above 3,500 per week. At the moment they are running at 1,500.

It will be interesting to see if this gets as bad as last December, when, if I recall correctly, there was no lockdown of the UK, nor any suggestion that there should be.

jane manby

3rd April 2020 at 2:37 pm

There is a difference between death from CV19 and death with CV19
Those who died with CV19 would also probably have done so from common flu as sad as that is
There are no appreciable rise in the overall death rate which you should reasonably expected to have risen.

Brian Steere

4th April 2020 at 11:18 pm

Yes – The Swiss Doctor page is illumination – and daily updated

Carlos Varange

5th April 2020 at 8:50 pm

Spot on it’s just nonsense to shut the country down

John Pretty

2nd April 2020 at 8:04 pm

Thank you, gentlemen for this interview.

It was refreshing to be able to listen to Peter Hitchens talk openly and without being interrupted.

We live in disturbing times, indeed.

David Webb

2nd April 2020 at 7:47 pm

Truly a wonderful interview, and one of the only ones in recent days in which the journalist has not sought to talk all over P Hitchens and stop him from making his points. I think the lack of democracy is a huge thing. If you can’t leave your house and can’t even meet other members of society not in your immediate family, how can democratic debate function? Most British people will simply not know what their neighbours think of this lockdown. What if you wanted to organise a demonstration against this or any other policy? How can basic civil and political rights (to organise politically and hold peacefully demonstrations) suddenly become illegal?

Jonathan Yonge

3rd April 2020 at 3:01 pm

Peter Hitchens is aving a very good epidemic
Hitchins is all over the place – sometimes two podcasts at once
He had one on Unherd until a few moments ago but they have taken it down.
How odd
Strange that Hitchins is also very vocal about pretty much everything.
He is certainly not stinting his right to free speech

impending doom

2nd April 2020 at 7:19 pm

But what are we actually, practically, going to do about this catastrophe? it’s as if a mass psychosis has taken over the populous, it’s not just the media whipping people up into a frenzy and social media echoing this hysteria, many sections of the population seem to welcome this control. It’s a perfect storm building up over a number of years and the scary thing is fear of the virus and the supposed solution to keep us safe strikes hard against what it is to be human – our sociability. It’s quite frightening. This is the new face of fascism for the 21st century but instead of the swastika you have the NHS logo.


Peter Baker

2nd April 2020 at 7:26 pm

Stay at home – die quietly – protect the NHS.

impending doom

2nd April 2020 at 7:37 pm

hugging will soon be a radical act

Pauline May

2nd April 2020 at 7:53 pm

Unpleasant reply.

Claire D

3rd April 2020 at 10:26 am

@Peter Baker

That is the mantra because if you get the disease badly you are going to need to be treated in hospital, the more we can slow the spread of the disease by avoiding other people (for the time being) the more likely it is hospitals will be able to help those who need it, AND continue to help people who need treatment for other illnesses.
Have courage.

Pauline May

3rd April 2020 at 11:47 am

John Pretty, I did not say it was the Spanish Flu. I simply quoted that pandemic for the sake of comparison that this wretched virus may well simply lose its identity, as they say on the weather forecasts.

Pauline May

2nd April 2020 at 7:53 pm

Well said. I only hope this collective madness runs its course sooner rather than later. The 1918 “Spanish flu” epidemic just vanished like the morning mist. Hope this wretched coronavirus does the same.

John Pretty

2nd April 2020 at 8:00 pm

This is not the Spanish Flu. That took the lives of a great many young people. This only takes the old and the already sick. The Spanish Flu was much much worse than this.

As you say, it vanished in time. Time would “cure” this.

Claire D

3rd April 2020 at 10:20 am

Spanish ‘Flu came in three waves, the first was’nt too bad, but then it mutated and returned with a vengeance 6 months later wiping out millions. Pandemics are living organisms that seek an environment and sustenance in which to thrive and the world after WW 1 was ready and waiting.

CR Ave

2nd April 2020 at 8:25 pm

Bide your time and wait for things to turn a corner. Things will go one of two ways. Prepare to resist. Gird yourself; you will be vilified.

Jimbob McGinty

2nd April 2020 at 9:24 pm

skin up

Kenward Garg

2nd April 2020 at 9:47 pm


Claire D

3rd April 2020 at 10:31 am

@Impending Doom

Sounds to me like you are the one in a ” frenzy “.
Have a cup of tea and calm down.

Pauline May

3rd April 2020 at 11:47 am

Quite agree.


4th April 2020 at 12:15 pm

I think calling 999 to register my complaint at house arrest …no crime.
Our imprisonment is counter productive … the few truly vulnerable need proper community help to isolate with real support . this is ridiculous … a police coup destad .
File a complaint …every night ..I remove my consent to your policing .YES IT IS AN EMERGENCY
I will not give up my free country for a fascist regime…i demand you let me out…I will sign some paper if you want.
Every night at 8p.m. complain to 999 more the merrier.
If the NHS brown nosing ever lets up .!

Carlos Varange

5th April 2020 at 8:48 pm

It’s tyranny pure and simple

Tom Carver

2nd April 2020 at 6:53 pm

Peter Hitchens reading Oz – that does surprise me.

John Pretty

2nd April 2020 at 8:01 pm

The you know very little about Peter Hitchens.

James Knight

2nd April 2020 at 5:43 pm

Bangladesh just lost £2.4billion in garment orders. This will have a devastating effect on a developing country. China predicts 0% GDP growth and the US now had almost 10 million new unemployed. The two largest economies in the world are on their knees.

James Knight

2nd April 2020 at 5:19 pm

How is it Piers Morgan gets to sneer at construction workers in London or other people going to work on the tube when he himself goes to work on breakfast telly? I am assuming he doesn’t have to travel on packed tube. He claims his job is “essential” but does that mean it cannot be done from home? Note to Piers: building a house cannot be done from home, reading the news can.

Vadar’s Hate Child

2nd April 2020 at 6:31 pm

In what way is shouting at interviewees and viewers “essential”?

Adam Hiley

2nd April 2020 at 11:08 pm

Morgan is a dick that’s why

Jimbob McGinty

3rd April 2020 at 12:49 pm

dont be so rude about dicks!

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