The Remainer elites are the true bigots of Brexit Britain

On Brexit Day on Friday we witnessed just how much Remainers loathe ordinary people.

Brendan O'Neill

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Everyone from Sadiq Khan to Remoaner newspaper columnists spent last week fretting that there would be an outburst of hatred and chauvinism on Brexit Day on Friday. And they were right, there was. But it didn’t come from Leavers, the vast majority of whom celebrated our leaving of the European Union in good, lively spirits. No, it came from bitter middle-class Remainers. Anti-Brexit people in the worlds of culture and commentary unleashed some of the vilest hatred of recent times on Friday night. Their masks fell and we saw what many of us suspected to be the case – that behind the Remoaner facade of cosmopolitanism and tolerance there lurks an extreme, Victorian-level contempt for ordinary people and their stupid voting habits.

The tone was set by Tom Peck, political sketch writer at the Independent. He resuscitated the pre-democratic fashion for depicting the lower orders as animal-like savages, as not fully evolved, by describing the pro-Brexit gathering in Parliament Square as ‘a knuckle-dragging carnival of the irredeemably stupid’.

Knuckle-dragging. We all know what that means. Ape-like. Lacking in true sentience. Not properly human. Isn’t it striking that Alastair Stewart can lose his job merely for mentioning the word ape, in an entirely non-targeted, non-racist way, in a Twitterspat with a black gentleman, while Peck is cheered and celebrated by his fellow Remoaners for implying that a vast gathering of largely working-class people had the demeanour of apes. This is because the one group of people you are perfectly at liberty to hate in our woke era is the white working classes: thick, knuckle-dragging scum.

Indeed, the word ‘thick’ was trending on Twitter in the hours after the Brexit Day celebrations as armies of hateful Remoaners took to the web to express their disgust with the lower orders. They feverishly shared videos of mostly older working-class people being interviewed by news channels and not being as articulate as they might have been. Absolutely no consideration was given to the fact that many of these people – unlike the luvvies laughing at them and mocking them – are not used to the pressures of TV lights and cameras. No, they all had to be denounced as ‘thick as mince’ (to quote the editor of the Canary) plebs who sum up the bovine stupidity of the hordes who backed Brexit.

Across the Twittersphere these ordinary voters were ridiculed. Actor John Hannah insulted the ‘peasants and pensioners’ and other ‘idiots and racists’ who backed Brexit. He said: ‘I hope you choke on your crap cheapshit meat and extortionate US drugs.’ Peasants? God almighty. Hannah’s violent fantasies of the poor dying from choking was a low point of this orgy of Remoaner hatred.

Others contented themselves with the elitist sport of insulting the Brexit Day interviewees. They jeered at the men and women who lack their own clipped tones and thesaurus-standard command of the English language. They called them ‘thick as fuck’, dumb, a sorry image for this once great country. They look and sound like people who have had ‘Nigel Farage’s wet dreams piped directly into their fucking brains’, pushing out ‘all capacity for rational thought and normal human speech patterns’, as one online proponent of this nasty class hatred put it.

Lacking ‘normal speech patterns’? What they mean is that these people – with their working-class London and northern accents – don’t sound like us. They don’t look like us, either. In his hateful sketch of the working-class crowds in Parliament Square, Tom Peck expressed his horror at seeing men without their shirts (nothing horrifies the middle classes more than shirtless working men – see also their disgust with the kind of people who attend football matches). He also revelled in telling us that they virtually couldn’t read – even when the lyrics of ‘Rule Britannia’ flashed up on the big screen, it was all ‘infinitely beyond them’, he sneered.

Luvvies were out in force spreading hatred, too. All they could see in London and elsewhere were swarms of racist scum. Kathy Burke, in a flagrant insult to the working classes from which she and I come, titillated her fawning middle-class followers by saying: ‘Have a lovely day you stupid racist wankers.’ Eton-educated poet Musa Okwonga bemoaned the ‘growing nastiness’ of British society (funnily enough, he wasn’t referring to the class hatred unleashed by his fellow Remainers). Irvine Welsh, having for years provided the London literary set with the underclass moral pornography of his novel Trainspotting, gave them another thrill by sharing a video of working-class people in Warrrington celebrating Brexit and saying ‘it’s like we have regressed 80 years + already’. His followers took the bait. The ‘average cultural experience’ of these people is a ‘donkey ride on the Blackpool seafront’, one said.

Everywhere one looked on Friday night, on Brexit Day, there was hatred all right. Remoaner hatred. Hatred for the masses. Hatred for the not perfectly articulate working classes. Hatred for northerners. And of course, as many of us know, this hatred has been brewing for a long time. Indeed, the man who has done perhaps more than any other Remoaner to paint Brexit voters as thick, radio presenter James O’Brien, chided his fellow Brexitphobes for being shocked at the ‘ignorance’ on display on Brexit Day. ‘This shouldn’t be a surprise’, said the privately educated broadcaster who makes his living from mocking the state-educated people who phone his show.

What happened on Friday is this: the pretence of Remainer tolerance fell apart. There had been cracks in it for a long time. Many of us could see the anti-democratic, anti-masses impulse that fuelled hardcore Remainer activism. We saw it in Matthew Parris chastising the political class for ‘lick[ing] the boots of the mob’. We saw it in Paul Mason’s hateful commentary on ex-miners ‘sitting in the corner of the pub calling migrants cockroaches’. We saw it in the ceaseless commentary about ‘low-information’ voters and thick old people who should hurry up and die, and in the petitions and marches designed to overthrow the largest democratic vote in UK history. By its definition, Remainerism – as a post-referendum ideology and cultural identity – was intolerant: intolerant of democracy, intolerant of voters, intolerant of the uneducated. But on Friday night that became clear. Perhaps the reality of Brexit finally demolished Remoaners’ ‘liberal’ posturing, revealing the stark, ugly reality of their contempt for the crowd.

There are two important lessons to take from this extraordinary display of chauvinistic intolerance towards working-class people. The first is that Remainerism is far more intolerant than the movement to leave the EU. Indeed, a recent poll found that on various issues – from climate change to gay marriage to immigration – Remainers are less tolerant of people who disagree with them than Leavers are. Given that bigotry fundamentally means intolerance towards those whose beliefs differ to one’s own, it is clear that bigotry is more pronounced in Remain camps than in Leave camps. And the second sobering lesson to take from Friday’s orgy of Remoaner hatred is that Brexit – as a phenomenon, as a battle over values – is not over. Not by a long shot.

All those calling for the nation to come together now that Brexit is done (kind of) are kidding themselves. It isn’t going to happen and it shouldn’t happen. The divide is too deep, the chasm in values too wide. On one side we have vast numbers of people who have a deep moral attachment to the ideals of nationhood and solidarity, and on the other we have the narcissistic individualism and tendency towards intolerance of the out-of-touch cultural and intellectual elites. This is what Brexit exposed. And its exposure is a very positive thing. We now know how divided this country is. We now know how much the elites loathe ordinary people. We now know that being pro-EU was largely a cover for being uncomfortable with democracy and horrified by the masses. It’s good that we know this. And it’s important that we realise that such vast, clashing views of politics, life and the world will not be mended for years. Perhaps decades. The battle for Brexit is largely won; the battle for the future of Britain has only just begun. Those of us who hate intolerance and love democracy have our work cut out for us.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Remittance Man

19th February 2020 at 12:26 pm

From Geldoff’s champagne swilling toffs insulting fishermen from their yacht to the Brexit Day snobbery, the remainers have done nothing but insult ordinary Brits. They openly despise us.
Yet they still wonder why we don’t deferentially doff our caps to their self-annointed superiority. Yet they still wonder how we can follow a “real” toff like Boris.

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10th February 2020 at 10:34 am

Great article Brendan – but you forgot to mention the most egregious of these ghastly people, the insufferably pompous Iain McEwan.

Aloysia Allheart

6th February 2020 at 10:59 am

The depth of the rage is just beyond off. Do these people really care about their country? No. They are just annoyed that there won’t be the supply of cheap labour to exploit, annoyed that people out there actually had a voice. Soz, the country does not function to serve just you lot and your creepy mates nor your sycophantic blind followers who all bow at the alter of your massive egos. Hannah et al, you’ve been in your twitter bubble too long, it’s made you deranged. vacuous, ugly narcissists.

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4th February 2020 at 3:17 am

Who knew eh? John Hannah and Kathy Burke. To be honest, my relationship with these two is much the same as I felt about BHS- ‘don’t have much to do with it (them) but like to know it’s (they’re) there’. These two will continue to thrive without the likes of me.

Jon Pavitt

10th February 2020 at 2:58 pm

It’s a shame when you witness someone, whose work you admire, such as Cathy Burke, turn out to be an arrogant bigot.

JP Edwards

3rd February 2020 at 10:11 pm

I was there with two old friends from University; there we were two leavers and one remainer. What we all saw was salt of the earth people from all over the country enjoying a historic event in a friendly and welcoming atmosphere. And not just people from the UK but some from other countries who came to celebrate with the British people. It was great to be there and celebrate.

Sar Dondi

3rd February 2020 at 9:56 pm

And may John Hannah choke on that fleshy sausage he was trying to swallow when he took a break to comment on the peasants who upset him so.

Tim Wheeler

3rd February 2020 at 7:04 pm

Is it possible Zenobia is another creation of Andrew Doyle. Apparently he has several who have not yet been outed as Titania McGrath.

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 6:33 pm

Z Palmyra scoffs when I ask why she supports an expansionist empire.
Is she not aware that Verhofstadt has referred to the EU as a ‘ growing liberal empire’?
Dear old ZP needs to get with the game it’s getting embarrassing for her.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 6:49 pm

Note his use of the word ‘liberal’…

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 8:44 am

ZP
Poor reply … ‘Growing empire’ are the words that render your scoffing erroneous.

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 8:47 am

ZP
I don’t believe in empires .. do you?

Tony Morris

3rd February 2020 at 4:34 pm

Hi Spiked,
Let me see if I can explain how “banter” works in my working class England. Basically, we’re quite happy to call each other morons.

An example:

My working class cousin has a very good knowledge of football. Passionate fan.

If a working class man phones up LBC and insists “that Lineker was a rubbish footballer’, my cousin will insist the man is a moron.

My working class cousin doesn’t want the talk show host then saying: “well we can all agree with that caller who says Linker was rubbish. I am certainly not going to ask the caller to back up his claims with evidence. Let’s move onto the next caller … Carol from Ipswich, you want to claim that Wayne Rooney was England’s best ever goalie? And who are we middle class media twonks to question you? Darren from Bromley … your argument is that your dad was the best striker Man United never had? And your dad did what for a living? He worked at Bromley council for 40 years? And did he play amateur football,during that time? No, you say? Right. Well we can all agree that was indeed a tragic loss for Man United, mate. Next caller…”

Just be honest, Spiked – when you guys do job interviews, you’re not looking for a 2 O Levels Carol from Ipswich to sit in your office and say: “That Barnier doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The EU is useless. Immigrants just want to come here to claim benefits. I never listen to radio 4 – it’s well boring.”

No need to feel shame/guilt about it guys – just be honest.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 10:53 pm

Tony,

Thing is, every adult over the age of 18 and with UK citizenship, has the right to vote in a UK General Election and in referedums, such as that on EU membership.

That includes working-class people, including those without formal qualifications, unemployed people and those who have taken up residence here and naturalised, such as people who have sought asylum.

Your friend Carol might have problems getting her voting card, since she doesn’t actually exist, does she ?

Joking aside, if you find that people around you have a problem articulating what they think, why not be a sport and help them to do so ?

I’ll leave it to you to work out how to do that, without patronising them.

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 8:51 am

Carol from Ipswich may yearn to learn about football.. so it’s best to involve her isn’t it!

Danny Rees

3rd February 2020 at 3:31 pm

Whatever happened to words are just words and people should stop being offended ?

Tony Morris

3rd February 2020 at 4:51 pm

And I have no idea why the likes of Brendan seem to think that working class people have never enjoyed insulting each other or other people.

The mundane reality is that if you’re that boy in a class who is rubbish at football, even your best mates will call you a ‘*888ing 8wat” as you fail to head the ball into an open goal and make a noise like “ouch!” as the ball smashes into your nose and knocks your glasses off.

Yes, I was that boy!

The idea that 17 million Brexit voters have spent their lives not having a bad word to say about anyone is like the idea that multi-millionaire Republicans who came of age in the 1980s have never seen a naked woman or a line of coke or a 100 dollar bill.

Brendan should maybe spend more time trawling the internet to see what Brexit voters actually say. The Daily Mail comments section can be accessed by anyone.

Said it before and I’ll say it again – when a Brexiter posts something absurd/disgusting online, the rest of us CAN read it. They’re not pumping out their thoughts using invisible ink.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 5:02 pm

Danny,

To clarify : The ‘words are only words’ situation arises where you get someone, usually someone who hasn’t intended to become a cause-celebre, being hauled over the coals for something they have said.

The people who dive into these situations and demand bans and the like, tend to be pretty much the same folk who make a big song-and-dance about how much more enlightened and tolerant and ‘woke’ they are.

Now, though, we are seeing the very same self-proclaimed tolerant and enlightened people wishing that working class people who voted Brexit would just hurry up and die of old age, or choke to death, or lose their jobs, etc, etc.

If you’re looking for hypocrites to point the finger at, try them – they’re on Twitter. Good Luck !

Tony TonyToe1

4th February 2020 at 1:15 pm

Tell that to yer man Tom Slater over on another article, winging about some words used on CBBC.

MarilynRBaker MarilynRBaker

3rd February 2020 at 3:18 pm

nices

Chris Davis

3rd February 2020 at 2:51 pm

Remainers, Left wingers, Liberals, call them what you want. These are the very same people who have been around for a thousand years. The kind of people who were fortunate to be born into middle class families and who have been handed more opportunities and a better education than the working class they so despise. They pretend, and always have pretended, to be the friends of those who haven’t had their luck and opportunities but only so they could use them. These people have taken everything but given nothing back and it is they and not the working class who are the real parasites and scroungers. It’s at times like these though, when for once they are not able to get their own way or bully those they see are their inferiors and underlings into submission, that these people, now known as Remainers, start to show their true colours and we clearly start to see that they are anything but the liberal and compassionate type they like to tell us they are. Tolerance is just a facade they wear but one only has to scratch the surface to see that deep down they are bigoted, intolerant, nasty, small minded and very selfish people. Times are changing though and they are slowly losing control and they are now going to get less and less of their own way and these people aren’t going to get better but are going to get worse. Luckily for us though, the only weapons they seem to possess are four letter words. Their days are numbered.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:29 pm

“The kind of people who were fortunate to be born into middle class families and who have been handed more opportunities and a better education than the working class they so despise.”

Yeah, those people are right wingers. They’re Tories.

And they’ll keep getting their own way so long as the traditions of the country remain the way they are. In all probability, Brexit will strengthen that, not weaken it.

Danny Rees

3rd February 2020 at 3:34 pm

There are two types of middle class.

Tory/right wing and Labour/left wing.

David Moore

3rd February 2020 at 8:01 pm

There are two types of privileged people, those who know they’re privileged and give something back and those who know they’re privileged and think they deserve it.

Alice Temple

3rd February 2020 at 8:04 pm

Not true. Go and have a look at some demographic data on the last election. The highest three social classes were much more likely to vote Labour or Lib Dem and the lower the social grade, the more likely to vote Tory.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:49 am

No they weren’t Alice. The vote split was the same across all social classes, with everyone, including the middle class, being more likely to vote Tory.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:50 am

“those who know they’re privileged and give something back”

Aren’t the people who check their privellaged considered “woke”?

John Marks

3rd February 2020 at 2:38 pm

Remainers have forgotten the meaning of “Long live the king!”.
It’s not about royalty but about tribalism – in its best sense: community.
We evolved to cooperate which meant acknowledging someone to coordinate and effect the community’s decisions: the chief (or “king”).
The alternative is the free-for-all anarchy which leads to rule by gangsters, might is right.
That’s what they’ve got in America now, where “might” is mostly in the form of money. And the anarchic corporate globalism that results is what most people, from Paris to Caracas, reject.
We want community. We want to look after each other.
That’s what élitist Remainers don’t realize.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:25 pm

Most remainers are royalists.

Bella Donna

3rd February 2020 at 3:37 pm

Remainers are royalists? Is this a joke? No you couldn’t be more wrong. Remainers don’t care for homeland, tradition, or our history. It’s the Leavers who love their country and its heritage.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:47 am

Yes, Remainers are royalists.

Have you met many remainers? Do you listen to them at all?

Maybe you should get out more.

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 9:57 am

‘You need to get out more’ says little Jonnie that doesn’t even live here.. priceless!!

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 11:05 am

Excuse me Jerry?

You’ve really ties yourself in knots here haven’t you?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:26 pm

And the biggest fans of the American system tend to be Brexiters. For many of them, America is their dream for a future UK.

a watson

3rd February 2020 at 7:10 pm

The American system is Democracy.

a watson

3rd February 2020 at 7:14 pm

They get to elect their government officials – unlike in the EU.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 1:02 pm

Case in point

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 1:12 pm

Little Jonnie squirmer.
As I thought, totally bereft of any answer. You scribble before you think.
Prove me wrong… but you won’t will you ?

Jonnie Henly

5th February 2020 at 2:00 pm

Rent free in your head Jerry.

You’re comments don’t even make sense.

Dear oh dear.

Tony TonyToe

3rd February 2020 at 2:34 pm

Here goes Brendan, playing identity politics again. Why does he seek to judge us all by the labels he gives us? Why must I be a Remoaner? And why does that diminish my entitlement to a freely held opinion? Why is Kathy Burke not entitled to her view just because she is working class? What sort of agency does that give her? Why does Musa Okwonga’s education undermine her view? The hypocrisy is towering. The ego, earth shattering.

Chris Davis

3rd February 2020 at 2:56 pm

The Remain side set the rules to the game. Don’t get upset when their opponents start using the very same rules to beat them.

Tony TonyToe

3rd February 2020 at 3:05 pm

I’m just amused when Brendan – who has a very well rehearsed line in speeches/columns/Instagram posts in which he berates anyone who engages in what he declares to be identity politics – reveals himself to be an enthusiastic identitarian himself.

Amanda Purdy

7th February 2020 at 9:01 pm

Brendan is not being identitarian. He is putting specific people into the category of remoaners by using their own words. Identity politics is about assuming all women think the same way or all Asians, prejudging their opinion by some feature over which they have no control. We are all individuals so I am not comfortable with losing that. Others are more comfortable with submerging into the community as they do not have to think for themselves, they just follow the herd. Talking of herd that shit meat that Hannah would have you choke on is probably a low carbon sustainably farmed and transported quality piece of lamb or beef from NZ after you do a free trade deal with us. Even though the UK dumped its commonwealth connections when it went into the Common Market we will forgive and forget because we are non aligned with anyone and just want to trade.

John Galt

3rd February 2020 at 2:27 pm

“We now know how much the elites loathe ordinary people.”

Well, from the United States here, that is readily apparent. The Elites in the UK watched their poor and middle class white girls, many under aged, being gang raped on an industrial scale and did nothing. Why?

1) They hate hate their countrymen and women of classes beneath them.
2) They didn’t want to upset the Asians (No not Chinese, Japanese and Thai) but followers of a 7th century religion that if you read The Sira, Hadith’s, Koran and the Reliance of the Traveler make it clear that infidel women are fair game.
3) Oh, and don’t give me the slavery nonsense as 90% of the slaves were imported under English rule, even after we asked that it stop. Also, my great grandfather killed 11 Democrats between 1861 and 1863 to stop slavery once and for all. Where does slavery exist today? In countries beholden to Islam.
5) If the Remainers hate their own country and people so much there is always Iran, France, Uzbekistan, Belgium and the 100 “elightened” countries so favored by the Jeremy Corbyn types.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 4:05 pm

Who’s John Galt?

(Bet you get that all the time…)

steve moxon

3rd February 2020 at 1:49 pm

Brexit is just the first battle, and the divide over it is a symptom of something much wider, bigger and deep-seated.
We are going to have to kill the whole of the Left’s ‘identity politics’ hate-mongering totalitarian backlash against ‘the workers’ [sic], whom the Left retro-stereotypes as working-class ‘white’ heterosexual men. And by ‘kill’ I mean stone dead: a stake through the heart, buried in quicklime job. If we don’t, this divide will continue to widen exponentially, and could go all the way to civil war; literally. We will have to totally destroy current nonsensensical (wholly unscientific) extreme notions of supposed racism, sexism, ‘homophobia’, xenophobia, and also anthropogenic climate change — the supposed impending doom at the hands of the massed hordes: all those ‘workers’ again.
No-one can say we don’t live in exciting times. The future is a mountain more of hatred from the ‘identity politics’ totalitarians as they come to realise the game is up and they have nowhere to go.

Tony Morris

3rd February 2020 at 4:58 pm

Will these “battles” ever end?

English people were writing letters of complaint about EastEnders to BBC Ceefax when I was a child, and now they’ve got Twitter to moan about Horrible Histories. So I assume in 40 years someone in England will be using their virtual reality interface to insist that an as yet non-existing show starring actors not yet born is “pure propaganda, designed to get us to accept the globalists suck agenda. It’s time this politically correct woke rubbish was consigned to the dustbin”.

Once a man has decided that “all teachers are evil marxists, with their global warming crap ”, he’s got a decades long battle ahead of him trying to replace every teacher in England with someone more to his liking.

Rob Jones

3rd February 2020 at 1:41 pm

To be honest, the tantrum induced foot stamping and social prejudice on display in the article by Mr Beck is something that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The arrogant and patronising elites lost. They don’t like it. All they can do is return to form with a renewed no – holes – bared display of anger born of not getting their own way. Give them space. This is something completely alien to them.

Dave Hennig

4th February 2020 at 2:28 pm

…and another bunch of elites won, I think you’re all kidding yourselves a bit here. Enjoyable to watch though as some of you are becoming what you say you despise.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 1:05 pm

Given the amount of invective and stereotyping in this article, the charge of bigotry levelled at ‘Remainers’ (16.8 million people, about half the electorate) must be seen as highly ironic, if it is to make any sense. That’s a huge plank in pseudo-Marxist Brendan’s eye.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 4:31 pm

I thought that for a split second, but I don’t think it holds. The vast majority of those 16 million remainers do not express themselves in anything like the terms that those quoted by Brendan have. Brendan is not talking about all those that voted remain (though it serves his political agenda to have us believe that this was the entire nature of the remain argument).

There is undoubtedly an element of extreme class hatred in the response to Brexit. Lots of working class remainers read this kind of stuff and they know these people are calling them thick apes too. They know themselves that they’d struggle to articulate their passions and ideas in a language the middle-class approved of. I wonder, for instance, just how well Pauline Quirke could express the “End of History” arguments that make up the globalist ideals expressed in the EU? I wonder how well she understands its political and structural make-up and why it is Junkerr describes the Brexit decision as ‘ahistorical’. I doubt she could. But one supposes she wants something more than just keeping in with her middle-class mates in her middle class profession?

All that said, most of my working class mates voted Remain. It’s a massive over-simplification to make this just about class, though there is something a little bourgeois about the working class that read middle-class literature and pretend towards the more sensitive intellectual aesthete. We don’t really have the language yet to properly articulate what’s happening and where the divides are, but if you’re calling uneducated people thick, knuckle-dragging apes, you’re probably not on a side I’d want to call ‘The Left’.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 4:36 pm

*Bah, Kathy Burke not Pauline Quirke. All these working class birds look the same.

Tony Morris

3rd February 2020 at 5:23 pm

One difference between a thick working class person and a reasonable working class person is that the reasonable working class person does not cheerfully opt to appear on television talking nonsense into cameras.

A thick woman (of any class) will tell a camera crew: “Quantum computing? That’s all a load of rubbish, yeah?’ While the reasonable person says: “don’t ask me about quantum computing as I would seriously struggle to put forward a coherent sentence on the topic. I did read about it once in a newspaper article but I didn’t fully understand. Maybe head to one of the universities where they have people working on this stuff and talk to them. Sorry, got to go…‘

Working class electricians really DO NOT want their working class mums and dads to appear on the telly going “electricity?God probably made it, when he was making the world and that”.

A lot of working class O Level generation people seem to have no concept that the expertise of others counts for something. Their arrogance and lack of self awareness is what leads us to call them thick.

I know absolutely nothing about world trade which is why I’ve never once had the notion to phone up a radio station and bluster and wing it. If the BBC asked me to discuss it on Newsnight I’d decline reasoning that “I’ll end up making a tit of myself like James Delingpole”.

Reasonable people do make at least some attempt to understand their limitations.

It’s not a class thing – Delingpole is in a different social class to me but clearly has a much higher tolerance for public humiliation and being seen to be thick in front of microphones and cameras.

I would literally run away from a camera crew asking me to pontificate about post-Brexit pork exports because I know absolutely nothing about raising pigs then shipping their carcasses to China. Not for me to say “yeah well … now we’ve left that bloody EU, the Chinese will be begging for our pork, yeah? ‘.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 7:45 pm

“I would literally run away from a camera crew asking me to pontificate about post-Brexit pork exports because I know absolutely nothing about raising pigs then shipping their carcasses to China.”

I assume however that, knowing nothing about economics and how the prevailing status quo best functions, you did pick your side in the referendum and vote? I assume you went into a polling booth and made a tit of yourself by expressing your uninformed and unexpert views on what was best for the country?

When someone stands in front of a camera and says something stupid, I generally take some time to work out what else might be in there driving them – how a more eloquent person may have expressed those same tastes and inclinations. Because this is the point – politics is about tastes, values and inclinations – you can find a band of experts to represent any set of inclinations.

The commentary BON is emphasising isn’t just saying – look there, that woman is well thick; they are saying “look how thick these people are; this decision was the decision of thick people.”

Just because someone that knows nothing about pork exports makes out like they do on camera in order to defend their preference does not delegitimise their vote or their preference. The preference is a very different thing to the quality of its expression. This is the foundation of our democracy.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 8:04 pm

“The preference is a very different thing to the quality of its expression. This is the foundation of our democracy.”

I want to emphasise this. It feels important. Taste is the essential part of the individual; taste is not intellectual. The intellectual can convert their taste more readily into language, but it’s still a taste. There are plenty of remainers that would make a tit of themselves were they to try to explain and defend their decisions on TV. Plenty have. This does not make the inclination towards remain inherently bad or stupid.

Democracy supposedly ensures that the dominant taste gets to steer the political direction of the country. Any meaningful democratic Left should be committed to that idea.

Chester Minnit

3rd February 2020 at 12:30 pm

I’m a white collar, well spoken, middle-aged IT Professional yet I was celebrating in Parliament Square on Friday. It was peaceful, fun and exciting and (Ms Munchetty) there were rather more than 500-1000 people there.
It highlighted to me just how intolerant and narrow minded these so-called Liberals are. We MUST share their opinions or we’re thick.Well I’m not thick and I don’t share their opinions. In fact it seems to me that Liberals are nothing less than fascists.

Gweedo LeStrange

3rd February 2020 at 1:52 pm

They’re not liberals, they’re leftists.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 11:39 pm

They’re not leftists, they’re globalists.

See how much fun this is?

Poppy Piway

3rd February 2020 at 2:50 pm

I think what Ms Munchetty fails to acknowledge is that at least one third of British Indians voted to leave the EU and furthermore, I saw many people of colour in the crowds. I presume we are also what Peck describes as having “the demeanour of apes”! Why is he allowed to make comments like these and why does he and likes of the useless Munchetty airbrushing us out of our country.

Bella Donna

3rd February 2020 at 3:46 pm

You are correct. Progressive liberalism is another name for Fascism it’s nothing to do with being open minded and is certainly not in any way liberal. They deplatform those that speak out. They ban, marginalise and suppress free speech whenever it does not conform to their way of thinking, they are the real haters and the nastiest of all of us.

In Negative

3rd February 2020 at 11:37 pm

“.Well I’m not thick…”

” … In fact it seems to me that Liberals are nothing less than fascists”

Reckon that probably needs a bit of work.

Chester Minnit

4th February 2020 at 11:36 am

No problem: Whilst I’d admit that Liberals are far from ultra-nationalist they do exhibit other Fascist traits such as authoritarianism, dictatorial aims, forcible suppression of opposition. Perhaps Liberals are the far left-wing of Fascism?

In Negative

4th February 2020 at 2:39 pm

“… they do exhibit other Fascist traits such as authoritarianism, dictatorial aims, forcible suppression of opposition. Perhaps Liberals are the far left-wing of Fascism?”

From John Stewart Mill’s On Liberty (an essential text in the philosophy of Liberal thought):
” Human nature is not a machine to be built after a model, and set to do exactly the work prescribed for it, but a tree, which requires to grow and develop itself on all sides, according to the tendency of the inward forces which make it a living thing.”

“We have a right, also, in various ways, to act upon our unfavourable opinion of any one, not to the oppression of his individuality, but in the exercise of ours. We are not bound, for example, to seek his society; we have a right to avoid it (though not to parade the avoidance), for we have a right to choose the society most acceptable to us. We have a right, and it may be our duty, to caution others against him, if we think his example or conversation likely to have a pernicious effect on those with whom he associates. We may give others a preference over him in optional good offices, except those which tend to his improvement. In these various modes a person may suffer very severe penalties at the hands of others for faults which directly concern only himself; but he suffers these penalties only in so far as they are the natural and, as it were, the spontaneous consequences of the faults themselves, not because they are purposely inflicted on him for the sake of punishment.”

Mussolini (well, a bit of a fascist)
“The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in the Val d’Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end. ”

“Fascism denies that numbers, as such, can direct human society. It denies that numbers can govern by means of periodical consultations: It asserts the unavoidable fruitful and beneficent inequality of men who cannot be leveled by any such mechanical and extrinsic device as universal suffrage. ”

“For Fascism, the growth of Empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; any renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But Empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice. “

Phil Ford

3rd February 2020 at 12:22 pm

Brendan, I’m not a fan of ‘struggle sessions’ or ‘re-education’ and I despise political correctness as only someone who has taken the time to read 20th-century political history can (I’m not university-educated, btw), but I do believe you are right when you insist that those who have systematically attempted to subvert our democratic process over the past three years should not be permitted to escape accounting for their behaviours. The danger now is that, as usual, all this will be swept under the carpet and those who did this thing will simply move on, without consequence or explanation.

As someone who voted for Brexit and who was then ceaselessly ridiculed, belittled, humiliated, insulted and demeaned as a racist, xenophobe, ‘Little Englander’ (I spent 2 months in Vietnam last year), etc, and was then expected to watch as my democratic vote was erased and invalidated, I don’t think anyone who did these things and who attempted to ‘stop Brexit’ should be permitted to skip away whistling as if nothing at all has happened.

Always, I come back to one simple thought: if the original referendum vote had gone instead in favour of ‘remain’ would we have seen in response from ‘leavers’ anything like events of the last three years? I don’t think so. I think ‘leavers’ like myself would have been unhappy with the result, but – grudgingly, and with some complaint, no doubt – we would have accepted the will of the majority and moved on. This is why I believe that all that ‘remainers’ have done in those three years should not pass by unexamined, unremaked and unaccounted for.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 1:00 pm

What were you doing in Vietnam – reminiscing about the war?

Jim Lawrie

3rd February 2020 at 11:31 am

The solution for Remainers is bubbling under the surface – rewrite the franchise, end the secret ballot.
How long till the Burkes, Hannah’s and Welshes of this world start to moot that for them? With examples from their childhood and schooldays of plebs who definitely should not be voting.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 11:28 am

Spiked is sceptical about Boris’s deal Michael. https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/21/boriss-deal-wont-take-back-control/

Lyn Thomson

3rd February 2020 at 11:16 am

Bloody rich coming from Cathy Burke who made her career out of mocking, does she still want a “brown baby”?

Gweedo LeStrange

3rd February 2020 at 1:42 pm

Precisely. Bourgeois Remainers hate people who share their background, especially those who have been less fortunate in life. It’s a way of signalling superiority to a monolithic “them” that simply reveals their bourgeois neuroses. I have a degree from a certain ancient universities, and I’m a Brexiteer, but only my very posh and very non-posh contemporaries ever say nasty things about Brexit. It’s as if they know that Brexit transcends class…and they absolutely hate that.

david rawson

3rd February 2020 at 11:13 am

At the end of the day, ordinary folk don’t like the sneering woke elites, and the sneering woke elites don’t like us.

They have much more per capita power, but luckily a referendum is about numbers only.

That’s the rub.

Bella Donna

3rd February 2020 at 3:49 pm

Oh how they resent our ability to vote. It must kill them every time they lose!

Tony Morris

3rd February 2020 at 5:31 pm

How are we defining “ordinary people’ and “woke”?

It’s no good telling me Boris Johnson loves ordinary people and hates the woke – for all I know that means he’s a huge fan of Can’t Pay we’ll Take it Away and agrees with the idea that now we’ve voted Brexit, sticking up signs in blocks of flats telling people to “speak English or go home” is a sensible use of “ordinary people’s” time and their inkjet printers.

Once we can define “woke”, we can then decide if “ordinary people” are for it all, against it all or somewhere on a spectrum.

For every “ordinary person” moaning about the gays on the telly, there’s another “ordinary person” not moaning.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 11:02 am

Basically, we’ve established from this comment thread that Brexiters are, by and large, people who dislike other who don’t think exactly like them, who don’t worship at the altar of nation, who prefer expert analysis over pointless flag-waving and who think difference is just part of life, rather than something to be destroyed because they fear it. Your average Brexiter would appear to be a economically illiterate fantasist.

david rawson

3rd February 2020 at 11:20 am

Which piece of ‘expert analysis’do you talk of ?

Gerard Barry

3rd February 2020 at 2:29 pm

Brexiteers don’t necessarily “worship at the altar of nation” – they are simply nationally aware and have a natural sense of belonging and allegiance towards their own country. It’s something that was considered quite normal up until recently and of course is still the norm in more traditional societies.

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 3:58 pm

ZP
Your tears are a great joy to behold.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 10:09 pm

No tears, my friend. My life is very good indeed. 🙂

Alice Temple

3rd February 2020 at 8:19 pm

Well if we’re talking “expert analysis”, a YouGov poll showed Leavers and Tories are far more tolerant of people who think differently from them and Remainers and Labour more likely to be intolerant of dissenting views. The experts said…you’re wrong.

Simon Everington

3rd February 2020 at 10:59 am

Fabulous piece Brendan. Comprehensively and concisely sums-up the Leftie/Remainer hatred. The vileness demonstrated routinely by these people, the vitriol and hatred, is shocking. Isn’t it ironic though, that these same ‘Lefties’ (in the main), whilst attacking the working classes for their ‘stupidity’ and ‘uneducated’ vote for Leave, are completely at ease for many of those same uneducated and stupid people, to vote Labour in a General Election? Double-standards and as you say, a disrespect, nay contempt for democracy.

Thank you for your article.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 11:07 am

It’s also striking how those who whine loudest about working class people behind demonized as “stupid” and “uneducated” for voting Leave are happy to throw the same bigotry at anyone who votes Labour.

Or anything else they don’t approve of.

Take a look at your own double standards.

steve moxon

3rd February 2020 at 1:32 pm

No they don’t
Where, then?
Evidence?!

Gweedo LeStrange

3rd February 2020 at 1:55 pm

Projection, much?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:16 pm

It’s there in the very comment I was replying to Steve.

You find it all over the Daily Mail.

steve moxon

3rd February 2020 at 7:09 pm

No you don’t. I don’t recall a single piece in the DM ever on those lines.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:46 am

Well this is a first for me, but if that’s the case: read more pieces from the Mail.

For research purposes only 🙂

Ven Oods

3rd February 2020 at 10:41 am

I must admit that I find the whole luvvie brouhaha immensely amusing. That such avowedly liberal and educated folk can come out with this bile is very revealing.
It’s almost as entertaining as folk jetting off all over the world to sort out global warming.
Celebs do seem to think their opinions are influential, despite what their endorsements achieved for Labour’s election result.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 11:03 am

I wonder what Dolly Parton thinks of Brexit?

Stephen J

3rd February 2020 at 12:11 pm

No idea, but I am sure she has some good ideas, that woman has her head screwed on on, good and proper.

Never heard of “Dollywood”?

Geoff Cox

3rd February 2020 at 10:03 am

In Dorking on Saturday morning someone had attached red, white and blue balloons to our old style bollards all along the high street. It was not “in your face”, there was no mention of Brexit – it was just there … and very pretty it all was too. As it happened the Cons had a street stall and they told me a few people were complaining, but they “blamed it” on UKIP. It wasn’t UKIP I can confirm, so it must have been some sort of guerrilla action – and all the better for that.

HOWEVER by 2.30pm someone on a bike had ridden past and burst most of them. The hate will certainly carry on.

Ven Oods

3rd February 2020 at 10:30 am

I wonder if the person on the bike had a string of onions around his neck.
Was that you, Macron?

Neil John

3rd February 2020 at 12:27 pm

More likely a London based middleclass PITA weekend lycra-lout out riding the RideLondon route taking umbrage at they perceived as a display of National Pride.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 10:52 am

It’s easy to hate the Tories given their love of money and their harrowing of the North.

Noggin The nog

3rd February 2020 at 4:17 pm

Spoken like the resident SJW Troll

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 10:01 am

Nearly four years on and the ‘remainers’ are getting more hysterical by the day. It really is a mental disorder these people suffer from.
Mental health issues are not something to joke about, but I make an exception towards ‘remainers’, I think it’s hilarious to watch them because I know just how obsessed and upset they are.
They call for alleged ‘unity’ for one reason, they don’t like us enjoying our victory, they want us to be quiet about our victory, they don’t want to be reminded of our victory. Unity to them means be quiet.
Ridicule them, laugh at them, laugh long and loud they deserve it.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 10:23 am

Yes, of course we’re hysterical and afraid and worried that Brexit is going to fail to deliver what it’s supporters claimed it would deliever.

Oh, except that Spiked agrees with us. https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/21/boriss-deal-wont-take-back-control/

nick hunt

3rd February 2020 at 11:33 pm

Don’t you prefer more power to the people over politicians rather than the reverse? Surely fearing all those dumb, shirtless gammons (with white vans or not) and their votes is a bad reason to trust minority rule by a few very rich permanent autocrats in Brussels?

Michael Lynch

3rd February 2020 at 10:32 am

Well said, Jerry. Laughing at them is definitely the cure.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 12:01 pm

Amazing, even when Jerry’s full on projecting and spewing out nonsense he still manages to be hypocritical!

Truly stunning.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 1:50 pm

Jonnie,

A political outlook – and millions of people – you’ve probably preferred to ignore for several years are now, suddenly, all too visible and must be taken account of..

No wonder you’re so stunned ! : )

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:45 am

Steve, I spend most of my time when I engage in politics studying and debating the right.

It’s what I do on here 24/7.

I’m firmly used to your sh*te by now, I have been for ages. Nothing you or Jerry says surprises me.

Steve Gray

4th February 2020 at 11:30 am

Jonnie,

A comment like that would’ve come across as cock-sure and slick, back before the Brexit Referendum, when the technocrats roamed free and those with a regular column in The Guardian could smile, beatifically, upon the faithful, whilst pointing an alabaster finger, to direct fire, plague and famine upon the heretics in their midst.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 3:09 pm

“and those with a regular column in The Guardian”

Like Brendan used to have you mean? Amid all your carping post reeferenum, you’ve failed to notice that the Technocrats still roam free. Meet the new boss – very much the same as the old boss.

It’s only a surprise to you.

Steve Gray

4th February 2020 at 5:26 pm

Jonnie,

So you’re a fatalist… The poor-man’s kind of wisdom. Quelle surprise.

Jonnie Henly

5th February 2020 at 1:58 pm

Nope, I’m a realist.

Brexit won’t overthrow the Technocrats. Your a fantasies I see.
And clearly in denial.

Jim Lawrie

3rd February 2020 at 9:59 am

John Hannah, living embodiment of the Glasgow description of spam valleyers “There’s no snob like a brand new snob.”
He knows deep down that his new friends accept him only on condition that he knows his place and plays his role as their pet pleb. Pandering to their requirement for someone to voice in his accent what they would, but for lack of courage, proclaim in theirs.

Irvine Smith “needs eez heid rammed doon the cludgie in eez book.”

BTW Mr O’Neill, a well put together reminder that this is by no means over.

Jim Lawrie

3rd February 2020 at 11:23 am

Pardon me, Irvine Welsh.

Geoff Cox

3rd February 2020 at 9:55 am

“Absolutely no consideration was given to the fact that many of these people – unlike the luvvies laughing at them and mocking them – are not used to the pressures of TV lights and cameras”.

Quite so – nor can they understand how devious the editing of such vox pops will be.

christopher barnard

3rd February 2020 at 9:48 am

Many if not most of these middle class Remainers will be people who are used to telling others what to do during their working lives.

They are stunned by our disobedience over Brexit.

They are just not used to it.

Gerard Allan

3rd February 2020 at 9:24 am

Like ZENOBIA I thought Brendan was flogging a dead horse as I started to read this article. But, I see that in their anguish, at least some, Remainers have shown the real reason that they wanted to stay in the EU. It is not something you can easily put on a campaign poster, “Technocracy not Democracy”. Which is why the only counter to Leave arguments was about the economy. Even the Remainers knew it was not about the economy, but could not articulate what is was about. It is still not acceptable in polite society to call for the abolition of democracy. At least for now.

Mike Stallard

3rd February 2020 at 9:24 am

If my parents had scraped the barrel for me to escape the local Comp, or if I had been in the local Comp and put up with the anarchic behaviour of the rest of the uninterested idiots who couldn’t see that the way out of a life on the dole is education, then i should have been one of these Remoaners. All the hatred, bottled up for years against complacent people who are prepared to have their drugs paid for by the state as they live in their childhood bedrooms playing computer games would be boiling over now.
This goes very deep indeed.

Forlorn Dream

3rd February 2020 at 8:36 am

Any political party, group, organisation, movement, etc with the word ‘liberal’ in its name is usually anything but liberal.

Ditto for ‘democratic’ but we can also include countries with this one.

Stephen J

3rd February 2020 at 8:01 am

Yes Brendan an excellent piece.

Just for one moment though, let us just look back on what might have been had we lost the referendum.

Would they find someone current to direct their triumphalist film of their glorious victory day, someone like Danny Boil or a n other ‘uge Hollywood star?

Or would they just get Leni Riefenstahl back in?

a watson

3rd February 2020 at 7:48 am

Well said. The betrayal of the British people by the Labour party is now apparent (It seems they hate the white working class and want to provoke racial and other forms of conflict) – who or what will fill the vacuum that is left? The resurrection of Blair and Mandelson indicates the utter bankruptcy of that party’s position.

Melissa Jackson

3rd February 2020 at 8:52 am

I couldn’t agree more. We are at the point where finally people are accepting that no matter what they claim to stand for, Labour are not the party of the working class.

This is all to the good though. The “old Labour” paradigm has not really existed for a long time, the “new Labour” approach has hugely harmed the working class, and the “Corbyn Labour” approach was divisive and poisonous.

We need a new movement of working class people joining forces on the issues that matter to them. A modern Labour party should represent the uber drivers and Amazon delivery people. It should concern itself with the creation of new jobs, and how to correctly frame workers rights in a rapidly changing world.

I really do hope to see a rise in mutualism, and the discarding of the middle class whingers. Remember, the original Labour movement created the first healthcare schemes for the working class through mutual insurance societies. A Labour movement can do amazing things, off its own back.

But we do need a new movement, with root and branch discarding of the present Labour party. The present party is simply incapable of solving problems in new ways – either they want a 1970s solution, or a 2000s solution, but they definitely don’t want a new solution just in case it turns out not to be socialist.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 11:09 am

Melissa,

I’m going to run an idea past you – see what you think of it :

The aim of the labour movement in the UK has always been to contain and neuter the working class, as a political force.

What this means in practice is, at best, a ‘come on lads, fair’s fair, be realistic’ approach to workers’ demands for better conditions or, indeed, more say in the democratic process.

I would suggest that senior membership of the current Labour Party should disbar an individual from joining any new assemblage of working-class interests. Opportunists to the end, they will come bounding over – ‘I hear you need a leader, lads – I’m the man with all the experience’ …

And they’ll try to sell us all down the river, once again.

Emmett Elvin

4th February 2020 at 2:00 am

The Labour Party died with John Smith.
And any hope of a credible opposition party died in the last election. The LP cannot and will not redeem themselves. The LibDems are at this point beyond parody.
Who will represent the interests of the working class now?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 9:09 am

“It seems they hate the white working class and want to provoke racial and other forms of conflict”

No it does not.

Mike Stallard

3rd February 2020 at 9:28 am

I do not believe the “white working class” exists. All I can see is a lot of women in white collars and a couple of men in white collars and tightly clipped perfumed beards pretending to be working class when the mines, the sewage farms, the steel works and the electricity works along with the food chain are all automated or closed now.
Whippets anyone?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 10:00 am

Spiked had an interview the other day on that exact subject.

Ven Oods

3rd February 2020 at 10:34 am

Good counter-argument, there.

Dominic Straiton

3rd February 2020 at 7:48 am

Imagine being so stupid and incompetent that even though you have the entire establishment, the media, academe,Parliament, 39 million pound leaflet, the IMF, the CBI, Barak Obama etc etc you still manage to lose a referendum. That is staggeringly stupid
And as for OBrian, he did a show about the mass rape of white working class children in Rotherham. And where did he lay the blame? The white working class children of course.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 10:27 am

The media? Does that include the Mail, the Sun, both Telegraph and Express titles, the Sunday Times?

Sam Haine

3rd February 2020 at 4:41 am

Please keep up the great work, Brendan.

The sheer scale of the bigotry and hatred being unleashed against the working class is proof that the undemocratic elites and their enablers are terrified that their anti-democratic stitch-up of the last few decades is finally coming to an end.

We are witnessing them lashing out against democracy itself.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 11:04 am

I don’t see any evidence of this ‘hatred’? Where is it? Exasperation, yes. Bigotry and hatred, no.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:28 am

“(nothing horrifies the middle classes more than shirtless working men – see also their disgust with the kind of people who attend football matches)”

I would ask Brendan to give the tiniest justification for such a ridiculous claim but by now I know better. He has none, it’s merely more lazy sneering waffle from him, in service of his agenda. Truth doesn’t matter.

Billie Watcher

3rd February 2020 at 8:32 am

Hey Jonny, I see you’ve really got your knickers in a twist this morning! May I ask, what is your name on the Guardian site?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 9:07 am

I don’t have one Billie.

Reading the article, it’s not me with their knickers twisted….

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 9:04 am

Awww.. poor little Jonnie still crying!

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 9:06 am

Hahaha, Jerry’s still obsessed!

Rent free Jerry, rent free!

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 11:10 am

Little Jonnie
You are the perfect example of a deranged remainer ..’Rent free rent free’ . What does that mean, do you know?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 12:03 pm

What does it mean?

Oh dear Jerry, you’re a perfect example of a thick leaver!

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 4:06 pm

Little Jonnie
When you type on mommies keyboard it’s best to write in a manner that people can understand.. I’ll ask again , ‘rent free rent free’ what do you mean?

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:43 am

Jerry, I do type in a manner people understand. It’s just you that has a problem with it. I guess reading isn’t so important when all you do is stack groceries huh?

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 9:05 am

Poor little Jonnie reduced to insults because he can’t explain his own scribblings.
Come on little Jonnie what do you mean by ‘rent free rent free’ as a statement to me?

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 10:14 am

Jerry still can’t read, and he’s mad at that fact.

Oh dear.

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 11:54 am

Little Jonnie
Wouldn’t it be easier to explain your post rather than run away from it?
You simply can’t explain it.. prove me wrong?

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 1:01 pm

Jerry is your memory really so dense?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:25 am

“On one side we have vast numbers of people who have a deep moral attachment to the ideals of nationhood and solidarity, and on the other we have the narcissistic individualism and tendency towards intolerance of the out-of-touch cultural and intellectual elites.”

No we don’t. That is a simplistic, “us vs them” image you have entirely drawn up. And the only people who actually believe such a “divide” exists are Brendan and his ilk: comfortable, chattering media opinion fuelled columnists who enjoy telling the rest of us how superior they are to their fellow middle class “luvvies”….. whilst living the consummate luvvie lifestyle.

Self hating or just plain hypocritical? I guess they jury’s still out.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 10:58 am

I completely agree. The ‘us’ versus ‘them’ dichotomy is being used by Leavers to perpetuate division, conflict and stir up hatred in support of their nativist agenda. It is not based on reason, but envy and stupidity. This isn’t the greatest nation on earth, it’s just another country. Finland, for example, is more socially cohesive, just, democratic, peaceable, well-educated, etc.

nick hunt

3rd February 2020 at 11:23 pm

Brendan gets your goat so well! How Remainers and leftists hate to be exposed as sneering elitists, and constantly reminded of their failure to deliver power to the people. Brendan doesn’t reveal leftist hate like Trump does (can anyone?), but he’s certainly more than a match for the UK’s spitting red fascists, and getting more precise with each piece. Squirm, baby!

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 12:41 am

Brendan and Trump: a fitting duo.

Two smug hypocrites with nothing to offer the masses, and the best defence people can give for them at this point is: ” they annoy people I don’t like”.

Hardly a stunning endorsement.

Doesn’t the right like to claim they’re sensible and practical etc?

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 10:00 am

Pure hyperbole little Jonnie.

Jonnie Henly

4th February 2020 at 10:14 am

If the boot fits Jerry!

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 3:22 am

“They feverishly shared videos of mostly older working-class people being interviewed by news channels and not being as articulate as they might have been.”

Hmm…. seems rather like the numerous videos you can find online of left wing students being interviewed and then subsequently laughed at because they’re not quite as articulate or considered as those lecturing them…..

It turns out that this sort of thing works both ways, though in the case of the leave voters they do not have the excuse of being merely students.

Michael Lynch

3rd February 2020 at 2:48 am

As for John Hannah, he’s an actor who, by definition, is nothing more than a channel through which others (writers) speak. Therefore, his disgusting tweet is an insight into his real persona. From it we can confidently deduce that he is nothing more than a low brow, unimaginative dick head. Furthermore, he can never take it back and it will be used against him at some future date.

Michael Lynch

3rd February 2020 at 2:31 am

Let them wail and spew their low brow filth all day long if they want. Because there is f@ck all they can do about it now. There is no going back. All of this hysteria is proof positive of their hatred for working class people and the trouble for them now is that, from a political perspective, the working class is now back in control. The Tories have lost London and now have to play to the North and that is not going change unless the Tories lose all appetite for power.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 2:42 am

Plenty of working class people in Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow backed Remain.

Not all Brexiteers are little Englanders. But all little Englanders are Brexiteers, as this clip demonstrates. https://mobile.twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/status/1223388595723165697

To point out they are symptematic of something rotten with Leave supporters should be seen as no more a controversial statement that point out that anti-Semitic supporters of Momentum are sympytamatic of something rotten with the Labour party.

Michael Lynch

3rd February 2020 at 3:23 am

Point is that Labour are being investigated for racism whereas the working classes, or Little Englanders as you put it, are not. Furthermore, Remainers who are spewing out vile insults on Twitter are as low brow as any Brexiteer who is doing the same. Personally, I revel in the insults because it’s undeniable proof that a lot of Remainers are thick and uneducated too. After all, how can anyone like John Hannah claim moral superiority when he wishes real harm on people for simply disagreeing with his viewpoint?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 11:00 am

Utter bilge, Michael. I went to a comprehensive school in the north-east of England. My family are sheep farmers. Does having a few degrees and wishing to remain in a trading bloc with my nearest European neighbours make me ‘hate the working class’? I don’t think so. You are a rabble-rouser, provocateur, anti-intellectualist and bigot.

Michael Lynch

3rd February 2020 at 12:41 pm

Now, now, Zen, you’re slipping into Troll mode again. Agent provocateur and bigot indeed. Scoff.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 12:09 pm

The Tories are incapable of playing to the North without fundamentally rejecting their core ideology.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 2:12 am

These individuals and their opinions are, of course, being noted.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 2:51 am

Next time they attempt to speak on behalf of the working class, I will remember what they said here and think twice about believing them.

You cannot be an ally to working class people if you think they are peasants, idiots, racist wankers, etc, etc. Stop trying to talk like us, you aren’t one of us.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 1:25 am

Yet again more deranged hyperbole Brendan, overlooking the fact that people he would deem ordainary backed Remain.

Traditional Labour voting areas such as Newcastle, Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester backed Remain. They are every bit as much the people as those in Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Stoke, Chichester and Canterbury who backed Leave are.

I’m not saying that the people in this clip who heckle the Irish presenter with shouts of ‘f**k the Pope’ are typical of Leave voters. But pointing out that maggots do not infect healthy bodies should not be seen as a controversial statement.

https://mobile.twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/status/1223388595723165697

James Wolfe

3rd February 2020 at 1:44 am

You mean university cities that have larger than average immigrant populations voted remain? Quelle surprise.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 2:29 am

Sunderland and Stoke are also university cities James.

Ed Turnbull

3rd February 2020 at 8:13 am

@James E Shaw. Newcastle is far more middle class than Sunderland though, I think that’s the determining factor in the 2016 referendum result. The two cities have a political enmity that goes back centuries to the English Civil War: Newcastle was staunchly Royalist, Sunderland was Parliamentarian.I was born and raised In Sunderland, so I think I can claim some authority to speak on this issue.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 10:54 am

ED TURNBULL — I am from Newcastle and I can assure you that scientific analysis shows that Newcastle is greater than Sunderland, with them Mackems.

Mike Oliver

3rd February 2020 at 2:31 am

It’s interesting what you chose to focus on from that article. No mention of the slurs from the media targeting Brexiteers:
‘a knuckle-dragging carnival of the irredeemably stupid’.
‘thick as mince’
‘Have a lovely day you stupid racist wankers.’
‘it’s like we have regressed 80 years + already’
All you could do was suggest that some northerners voted remain and link to a clip that suggests that you think the above quotes are probably accurate.

Sam Haine

3rd February 2020 at 4:34 am

Why are you trying to smear 17.4 million people because of the actions of a handful of yobs?

At some point you’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that the days of riding roughshod over the democratic wishes of the British working class are over.

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 9:12 am

We could ask Brendan the same exact question about remain voters.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 10:03 am

It’s the same with Labour anti-Semitism Sam. Maggots do not infect healthy bodies.

And it’s not just working class Brexiteers who indulge in racial harrasment of leading Remainers, see here: – https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/13/viscount-jailed-for-offering-money-for-killing-of-gina-miller

The reason why Brendan O’Neill is a scoundrel is that he seems to be saying it is legitimate. https://www.spiked-online.com/2017/12/19/guess-what-when-you-attack-democracy-you-piss-people-off/

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 10:07 am

Liverpool and Glasgow are not British working class cities? That’s news to me.

It’s also a revelation that Chichester and Canterbury are working class cities, I thought they were cathederal towns and I lived near the former for three years.

James Wolfe

3rd February 2020 at 10:35 am

Are you living in the 1970s? None of the cities you’ve listed are now working class; they’re mini-Londons or dominated by the student population. Meanwhile the small cities you listed are now more focused on lower wage work, minimum, wage labouring and lower wage earning profressions. Continue living in the past if you want; the core identity of these places has radically changed especially over the last 30 years.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 10:56 am

You’ve done enough to smear the actions of 16.8 million people, so why should we respect you? You clearly don’t understand how democracy works. Since when does 16.8 million people constitute a ‘liberal elite’?

Jonnie Henly

3rd February 2020 at 11:05 am

You’re basically attempting to rewrite the demography of cities bases in whether they voted in a manner you approve of or not.

Forget about living in the 70s, you’re living in dreamland.

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 11:17 am

ZP
Because by your own admission you don’t read any Spiked articles, I’ll explain, BON does not refer to the 16.4 that voted remain, because the vast majority accept they lost. He refers to the establishment figures and the obsessive types that haven’t accepted defeat.
In all honesty you would find this site easier to understand if you tried to read the articles, I know some are probably a bit long and involved for you.. but it would make you appear less dim witted than you already are.

Steve Gray

3rd February 2020 at 11:54 am

James,

I would suggest that the recent history of places such as Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle is bound up with UK Government indifference on the one hand (recall the future of ‘managed decline’ envisaged by the Tories for Liverpool, back in Thatcher’s day) and a search for easy short-term solutions on the other.

If you have a place which once had industry, ports, mining, manufacturing, ship-building, fishing, etc, etc but these have all been allowed to disappear, you have the prospect of populations of entire regions who will have no jobs for the foreseeable future.

Where there has been investment in these cities, pretty much all of it has been funded by Europe. Successive UK Governments have been allowed to dodge a bullet and leave it to Jaques Delors et al, to take responsibility.

The result is that Westminster has become ignorant of everywhere north of Spaghetti Junction. Poverty in Macclesfield or Knowsley, Rochdale or Barnsley, can be ignored by Westminster..

Folk are left with few options but to try to go ‘over the heads’ of Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown or whoever, and try to get the ear of their MEP. Who is ‘at a meeting’, unless it’s Someone Important, like Balfour Beatty or Nissan.

This is, to some extent, a simplistic way of considering the money aspect of the UK’s relationship to Brussels but the essence of the matter is, I believe, clearly put : politicians in Westminster have enjoyed a degree of immunity from awkward electoral questions about The North, by making the north a recipient of EU funding and, thereby, dodging all responsibility.

And this way of addressing economic problems side-steps the electorate. It all becomes a compact, set up and run in the privacy of Brussels, between various vested interests.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 12:15 am

You do realise you won, Brendan?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 12:16 am

I mean, there’s nowt like flogging a dead horse.

Noggin The nog

3rd February 2020 at 12:59 am

Excellent article Brendan. Could not agree with you more!
Yet, even here on Spiked, it is sad to see the racist SJW Troll ZENOBIA PALMYRA (aka Amelia Cantor) still adding to the snide remarks that identify its sad life.
In hindsight, these ‘remainers’ are really the losers.
PS. Perhaps it is best to ignore the remainers and their nonsense, including ZP, it must drive them mad being ignored.

Sam Haine

3rd February 2020 at 4:15 am

No, democracy won.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 10:03 am

Mobocracy won.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 10:53 am

No, Brexit is OCHLOCRACY.

Michael Lynch

3rd February 2020 at 11:01 am

Oh, grow up, James. Mobocracy indeed! You can hardly call an entire electorate who gave Boris a mandate on a massive scale a mob. The debate in Parliament was between extremists over the last 3 years; on the one side the ERG and the 70% of the Remainers on the other. It was effectively in deadlock and never going to anywhere. All that’s happened is that the adults, the British electorate, had to come in and sort out the naughty kids. Labour has only just survived because in some of those areas the Leave vote was split between the Tories and the BP; just look at some the narrow margins Labour won by. It’s over now and it really is time to put it all to bed and get on with it because, in general, that’s what the people want.

Jim Lawrie

3rd February 2020 at 11:51 am

The “mob” is growing, with Labour polling at 29%, and The Conservatives at 49, plus 2 for the Brexit Party.

K Tojo

3rd February 2020 at 9:39 am

A strange couple of comments which suggest you didn’t bother to read the piece in full – just a few lines before rushing to the keyboard to enlighten the spiked readership with your eagerly awaited insights.

But perhaps I am missing the point: if you come here to write rather than read why would you want to waste your valuable time actually considering the arguments put forward in the article. The gist is enuough to hang your comments on.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

3rd February 2020 at 6:50 pm

That’s all very well but I don’t see Comrade Brendan presenting any new arguments…

Jerry Owen

4th February 2020 at 8:48 am

ZP
You acknowledge you don’t read the articles here, then you tell us you don’t see Brendan presenting any new arguments.
Do you realize just how dim witted you sound?
You are hilarious.

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