A glorious victory for democracy

Brexit is the most stirring political achievement of the postwar period.

Brendan O'Neill

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We did it. Against all the odds. Against the barbs and defamations and underhand tactics of a hysterical establishment. Against a Remainer Parliament that had been hell-bent on reversing what we voted for. Against the best efforts of Remainer agitators at home and the bureaucratic machine in Brussels to prevent our democratic voice from being heard.

Against all of this, we did it: we secured the UK’s exit from the EU. And now, on Brexit Day, on this day when the Eurosceptic wishes of the British people finally become a reality, let’s be frank about what Brexit represents: it is the most significant and stirring political achievement of the postwar period.

As we approach 11pm, the moment at which the UK will no longer be a member of the EU, there is much discussion about what tone we should adopt in our celebrations of Brexit Day. Brexiteer Tory MP Steve Baker is calling for ‘magnanimity’. Have a quiet one, at home, so that you don’t upset pained Remainers, he suggests.

Remainers, for their part, are furious about all the talk of parties. We’re rubbing their noses in it, they say. Everything from the Brexit Day gathering in Parliament Square this evening to Sajid Javid’s issuing of a commemorative 50p coin is being cited by the establishment’s bruised, Remoaning anti-democrats as proof of the vile populist streak in the Brexit movement. London mayor Sadiq Khan is even fretting that tonight’s Brexit bashes could give rise to xenophobic hate crimes.

Of course he is. That’s how they see us: as a pogrom-in-waiting. As a racist blob. As an unthinking mass driven almost entirely by hatred of the Other. They’ve been hurling these insults at us, at the millions of men and women who voted for Brexit, for three-and-a-half years now.

But all sides in the Brexit Day discussion are wrong. Baker and other timid Brexiteers are wrong to suggest we should play down the significance of this day lest we offend Remainers, and the Brexitphobic wing of the elite is wrong to say these celebrations are a screech of populist arrogance against the defeated side in the referendum. No, the reason this day must be marked — loudly, firmly and colourfully — is because it represents a glorious victory for democracy. What is being celebrated today is the defence of democracy against one of the greatest threats it has faced in modern times.

One of the peculiarities of the Brexit era, and of the contemporary era more broadly, is that very small and very unrepresentative sections of society are in control of the political and moral narrative. So even as 17.4million people, the largest electoral bloc in our history, voted for Brexit, and stood by their vote for Brexit in the face of the most extraordinary campaign of demonisation that I can remember, still the Remainer elites got to write the story of Brexit.

The powers-that-be — from the business elites to more than 70 per cent of MPs to virtually the entire academy and cultural sphere — were pro-Remain. And they used their influence in the worlds of commentary, letters and culture to paint a picture of Brexit as disastrous. As toxic. As fascistic. Or, at best, as very, very difficult to enact. The disjoint between public enthusiasm for Brexit and elite disgust with it was, at times, staggering.

As a consequence, it became incredibly difficult to draw out the historic significance, the magnificence, of Brexit. Even those in public life who supported Brexit, no doubt feeling the pressure of the often deranged establishment narrative around Brexit, became defensive. Brexit was manageable, they insisted. It would be okay. ‘Get Brexit Done’, as the Boris Johnson campaign said in December — a tellingly apologetic slogan which, thankfully, was enough to win the support of vast numbers of Leave voters, but which implicitly played into the denigration of Brexit, the reduction of it to a difficult, pesky task. Hardly anywhere was there an assertion of the historic, epoch-defining nature of Brexit.

So let’s do that today. Let’s now celebrate the meaningfulness of Brexit. It really cannot be overstated. Brexit is one of the finest acts of democracy in the history of this nation. It ought to take its place in the history books alongside the Levellers’ demand for universal male suffrage in the 1640s, and the mass march for democracy in St Peter’s Field in Manchester in 1819, and the Chartists’ agitation for the right of working-class men to vote in the 1840s, and the civil disobedience of the Suffragettes in the 1910s…

Because Brexit, and, more importantly, the post-referendum battle to protect Brexit from the anti-democratic elites, shares something incredibly important in common with those democratic leaps forward in British history. Which is that it embodies the patient but determined assertion of ordinary people that they have as much right as the rich and the well-educated to determine the political fate of the nation. That belief in the rights of the people energised the men, women and children on St Peter’s Field in 1819, and the women who gathered outside parliament on Black Friday in November 1910, and also the millions of us who voted to leave the EU and take back democratic control. Brexit is in keeping, entirely, with the great democratic struggles of our history.

Brexit did not only entail the British people reprimanding and rejecting the European Union and its anti-democratic ideology, which would have been wonderful enough. No, even more importantly than that, Brexit was a revolt against the domestic elites. Against the establishment that pleaded with us to vote Remain in 2016 and which devoted so much of its moral and political energy to sabotaging our vote for Brexit after 2016. Against a political class which, alarmingly, called into question the right to vote itself after the 2016 referendum and openly suggested that this mass vote should be ignored, erased, thrown into the dustbin of history.

This is why the vote for Boris in December last year was so significant. That so many ‘Red Wall’ Labour strongholds fell to the Tories was the clearest sign that the people still wanted Brexit and that the working classes had finally broken from the Labour bureaucracy and asserted their political and moral independence. The December election was the first time in the history of the European Union that a people refused to allow their vote against the EU to be overthrown or stitched up, as tragically happened in Ireland, the Netherlands, France, Greece and elsewhere. Across Europe, under extraordinary pressure from Brussels, Eurosceptic votes have either been ignored or overridden. Not this time. The people of Britain voted against the EU and then voted against the EU and the British establishment’s attempt to crush our vote and to deny us our democratic rights. This was a genuinely stirring and determined defence of the ideal of democracy and the meaning of the vote itself. In response to the most explicit and hateful establishment campaign against democracy in living memory, the British people said: ‘No, no, no.’

If that isn’t something to celebrate, I don’t know what is. Today, we should celebrate the British people’s defence of democracy. We should celebrate their perseverance and patience. We should celebrate the electorate’s capacity to think for itself, as captured in its constant refusal to fall for Project Fear or to heed the desperate overtures of the Remainer establishment. We should celebrate that the populist moment, the Europe-wide desire for greater people power, is not going away anytime soon. And we should celebrate the seismic shock that Brexit — that is, us, the voters — have delivered to a complacent establishment. We have called into question their authority, their power, and their unilateral right to impose their eccentric values and managerial tactics on the population at large. That battle isn’t over yet, by a long shot, but the first victory belongs to the demos.

People fought and died for the right to have a real, impactful say in political life. And Brexiteers have done those people proud. I’m celebrating that.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

Robin Ashe-Roy

17th February 2020 at 6:12 pm

I agree a lot with what you say about the so-called New Left which is nothing more than the Cheka arisen but when you talk about democracy being reestablished in the UK because of Brexit I have to laugh. For an intelligent geyser to say this is completely delusional and therefore your definition of democracy is truly distorted and I am not saying that the EU is because it too is a bad joke. There is no justification for saying now we have got it back -you sound like Cummings. The UK has a very feeble representative democracy based on plutocracy and the neoliberal ideology that worships the cult of mediocrity, greed, poverty, injustice, distortion, exploitation, ignorance, authority, war, historical deletion and much more egotistical claptrap. Neoliberalism negates democracy in its form now being used -plutocracy rules so to talk it up shows a complete disdain for free speech and knowledge of what is not talked about because real democracy transcends gagging orders and is freedom of thought,action and deliverance.

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Fred Mutton

2nd February 2020 at 6:19 pm

I am just downright ashamed that the racist xenophobes actually had street parties, military flyovers, church bells ringing and dancing in the streets to mark the end of WW11. OUR hate filled politicians celebrated in Westminster. To think of the insensitivity to the feelings of the poor Nazis.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 2:08 am

So, just under half the population of this country including traditional Labour areas such as Manchester, Glasgow, Liverpool and Newcastle who felt by and large that remaining part of a club, that for all its flaws, allowed us to have our own currency, our own foriegn policy, appoint commisioners and the freedom to leave if we wished are comparable to the Nazis.

Wow, I only wish the Nazis had been so liberal minded.

This is, as I pointed out, patriotism as the last refuge of the scoundrel.

And no, I won’t put up and shut because I refuse to show magnimity in defeat to those who display none in victory. Brendan O’Neill lives by the sword by calling me a traitor, I say he is a scoundrel.

James E Shaw

2nd February 2020 at 1:19 pm

Brendan O’Neill claim that “what is being celebrated today is the defence of democracy against one of the greatest threats it has faced in modern times” is pure hyperbole.

Call me strange but I always thought that the Soviet Union, Al-Queda and the IRA always seemed more intimidating; all three of these forms of organisations ACTUALLY KILLED PEOPLE, including British citizens, in order to try and achieve their aim. No person who backed Remain that I can think of has ever recommended killing Leavers in order to achieve their aim and while crass remarks to the effect that it would be a good thing if Leavers grew old and died so that Remainers could take their place and take Britain back into the EU are not to be condoned, they hardly equate with spokesman from Sinn Fein/IRA who argued that civilian deaths were an acceptable way of achieving their objective.

This sort of line of argument is the ‘the EU is a European fourth Reich, EUSSR that I have previously described. What this sort of patriotism represents is the sort of patriotism that Dr Johnson described as the last refuge of the scoundrel, not the sort of patriotism that is designed to create a sense of identity and community but nationalism, which is aimed at blaming others for their problems and trying to silence legitimate debate through abuse.

In other words, the sort of patriotism that is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Jerry Owen

2nd February 2020 at 2:23 pm

James E Shaw
…’one of the greatest threats to democracy’.. there cleared that one up for you!

James E Shaw

2nd February 2020 at 6:45 pm

If anyone represents a threat to democracy it is Brendan O’Neill. The reason? Because he does so ON SPIKED’S OWN TERMS.

Consider the facts.

Spiked has previously attacked and continues to attack the existence of the royal prerogative as anachronistic and an affront to democracy. See here: – https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/31/3-rip-up-the-royal-prerogative/

Yet it was this very law that Theresa May used in order to by-pass Parliament and to trigger Article 50.

Sovereignty should rest with Parliament, not a Prime Minister using the powers of the crown, correct? Not least on an issue that will determine this country’s future for generations. So therefore when the businesswoman Gina Miller bought her case against the government and the Law Courts ruled in her favour, she was upholding democracy on Spiked’s own terms.

Her reward for this?

Spiked attacked her as an anti-democratic elitist and denounced the ruling as a legal coup. See here: – https://www.spiked-online.com/2016/11/03/article-50-down-with-this-legal-coup-against-the-masses/

Gina Miller subsequently faced death threats and racial abuse leading to one person being jailed, see here: – https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/13/viscount-jailed-for-offering-money-for-killing-of-gina-miller

I suppose this was something she should have expected to happen, as Spiked argued. https://www.spiked-online.com/2017/12/19/guess-what-when-you-attack-democracy-you-piss-people-off/

By the way, the argument that the High Court Ruling was a legal coup was complete nonsense, as the legal blogger Matthew Scott pointed out in this following article: – http://barristerblogger.com/2016/07/05/dont-abuse-brexit-litigants-action-shows-live-free-country/.

In reality, Mrs Miller was upholding democracy on Spiked’s own terms.

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 4:03 pm

James E Shaw
Losing is so hard isn’t it!
I’m glad you’re not being magnanimous in defeat. I know you’re hurting inside and I’m rather enjoying it , I have to say!

Fred Mutton

2nd February 2020 at 12:06 am

The hated British media, led by the hated BBC have treated the Brexit victory as they treat any English sports team winning any major event. They are on the side of the opposition.
AND every time they do it they hammer another nail in their collective coffins.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 2:43 pm

‘hated British media’ — the DM, DT and Sun must be included in that statement given the corrosive effect they have had on public discourse and morals.

Jill W

1st February 2020 at 9:06 pm

Well done everyone at Spiked
Sadly, I’m seeing frequent references to, now out of a job, UK MEPs’ staff. Even the compassion weary take no joy from this.
Unfortunately, until now, media coverage of the impact of redundancy has been negligible. Globalisation, not the fault of the EU or national governments, sees corporations restructure, relocate and small firms often unable to compete in a world labour market.
But the overwhelming feeling that no-one has your back intensifies this experience for many. Suck it up…. manage your expectations…. it is the world we live in…. winners and losers, seems to be the prevailing attitude.
So, for anyone even hinting at blaming a Brexit vote for this latest round of misery, I’m done with the guilt thing.

Tim Wheeler

1st February 2020 at 5:59 pm

You absolutely Nailed It Brendon. I’m not much interested in flags and nationalism, but one thing I do believe in is ‘one citizen – one vote’ national citizen democracy. I would love to have been one of those waving a little Union Jack at Miraid McGuinness, Guy Verhofstadt, & Donald Tusk the other day.

James E Shaw

1st February 2020 at 6:12 pm

When the election of last December gives us a choice between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn I am reminded of an assertion the late Auberon Waugh made when he wrote of his yearning to be governed by a junta of Belgian ticket inspectors, claiming UK politicians were “not only the wettest and most unpleasant, but the most incompetent politicians in Europe” and that the more power that was taken away from Westminster and given to Brussels, “the better we shall all be”, he thought.

steven brook

2nd February 2020 at 7:40 am

I quite liked him, yes he was a snob but he used to offend the right kind of people. Sadly however he was infected with the malaise of the British ruling class, defeatism. Hence his desire for foreigners to cook his food, look after the railways and obviously run the country. It might be that his self-doubt came from his own practical incompetence. While serving in the British Army in Cyprus in 1958, he accidentally wounded himself with a machine gun and lost a lung, his spleen and several ribs — and later was forced to have a finger amputated. Personally I think that if you have a problem buckle down and solve that problem rather than try to farm it out to a bunch of undemocratic creeps who just happen to speak a different language.

Melissa Jackson

2nd February 2020 at 11:13 am

I have a theory of why the British intelligentsia hanker to be ruled by the non-British – They live in Britain, and so take for granted our liberal notion of society.

They are so used to pleasing themselves both in who they criticise and what they do, that they don’t realise this is a British phenomenon.

They don’t like our leaders, because who would. Britain has an appalling disregard for authority and government institutions, so they look starry eyed at continental social democrats.

And they do all this without realising that bringing in a Macron-like figure would mean completely destroying our notion of society and democracy. They just presume our liberal individualism is eternal. This is why they feel free to mewl to the USSR or the EU or really anyone non-Anglo to rule them.

They want a progressive figurehead, but they don’t seem to understand you can’t have just that and still retain liberal values.

British society gives rise to British politics. You can only change our politics by changing the whole of society, and yet the TV lovies don’t seem to get it.

Either they are idiots, or they are legitimate cultural Marxist. One or the other. Either their position is not reasoned at all, or their position is to destroy hard won freedoms and liberty to create a new order that matches their ideological agenda. There isn’t something in the middle.

My point is that our present society is what allows you to hate being British. As soon as we had our own Merkel, you would no longer have that right to say she’s terrible. And there is the rub. To be British is to mock and deride our politics. To have the politics they want is to not be British.

No wonder so many are “citizens of Europe” .

NEIL DATSON

2nd February 2020 at 12:20 pm

Melissa, have you read George Orwell’s essay ‘The Lion and the Unicorn’, first published in 1940? The first part ‘England your England’ is really brilliant on the English and their strengths, weaknesses, hypocrisies, follies etc. Too much of it is quotable for me to transcribe more than a token offering: ‘England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality.’ The BBC love Orwell; they’ve never spotted just how perfectly they fit his stereotype of this country’s educated, liberal, elite.

James E Shaw

1st February 2020 at 5:53 pm

In my last post, in the last link I posted, I meant it to be a link to this song: – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 3:59 pm

‘In the ultimate irony, Brexit has ceased to be a release from the EU and has become a release from itself. Brexit has morphed from Let My People Go to Let My People Stop Banging On About Brexit. In keeping with the wilfully self-generating nature of the whole episode, the relief has become purely autoerotic.’ — Fintan O’Toole, Irish Times.

As ever, the Irish understand you more clearly than you understand yourselves. Brexit is the most pathetic liberation movement in history.

Claire D

1st February 2020 at 4:04 pm

Does one journalist, Fintan O’Toole, represent ” the Irish ” ?
That’s quite an assumption on your part Zenobia, even for you.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 2:41 pm

The EU is extremely popular in the Republic of Ireland:

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-leave-eu-poll-february-2018-3836085-Feb2018/

More recent polls give a similar picture. In other words, Fintan O’Toole’s views on Brexit and the positive nature of the EU are representative of the views of most people in the Irish Republic. The Irish are just more pragmatic and have more sense than the nationalist Brits who just can’t let go of their ‘glorious’ past.

Noggin The nog

1st February 2020 at 4:40 pm

ZENOBIA PALMYRA (aka Amelia Cantor) is an SJT Troll who delights in snide and sarcastic comments designed to denigrate well written and important articles as well a good posts. It must be a sad and lonely life as a troll. It is best to ignore these people and let them remain in their parents basements.
PS. Great article Brendan – wonderful that the UK has finally left control by the oligarchs!

Ven Oods

1st February 2020 at 4:47 pm

But, who takes notice of a tool(e)?
Then again, perhaps the Irish need to think like that, since their own referendum results were ignored.

Michael Lynch

1st February 2020 at 8:42 pm

Zen, stop with the cultural appropriation. You have no idea what all Irish people think about Europe. O’Toole is part of the ‘woke’ media class over here and obviously doesn’t speak for everyone. There are many groups who agitate for an Irexit and despise having to watch their country being sold off to the EU piecemeal. I was personally furious, like many, when we asked to vote again over the Lisbon Treaty. We were quite simply bullied into it; a relatively easy thing to do to a small population. I only wish my fellow countrymen and women had had the courage to refuse the totalitarians in Brussels. I congratulate the British people for their bravery and if this defense of democracy doesn’t start to make the EU to start seriously thinking about self reform then I don’t know what will. If they don’t the project is bound to perish as this act of defiance is only going to embolden the dissent already growing in many of its member states.

Fred Mutton

2nd February 2020 at 12:13 am

Don’t you ever know when to shut the fuck up.

Jerry Owen

2nd February 2020 at 10:02 am

ZP
For the fourth time what is it you support about. French German dominated expansionist empire?
I’m beginning to think you have no idea.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 10:55 pm

‘French German dominated expansionist empire’ — hilarious 🙂

Jerry Owen

3rd February 2020 at 5:18 pm

ZP
Clearly you don’t follow politics.
Verhofstadt has said that the EU is a growing liberal empire.
Pay attention.

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Simon C

1st February 2020 at 3:01 pm

I’ve never understood the ‘racism’ accusation. This is a bloc that, within its own rules, favours (mostly white) European migration over (mostly non-white) non-European migration. So there’s institutional racism within the EU’s freedom of movement rules yet the elite call us racist for wanting out of that?

It’s almost as if ‘racism’ has become a comfort blanket in a world they don’t (and don’t want to) understand.

Bella Donna

1st February 2020 at 2:56 pm

It was a triumph of the People v. Them. Them being the arrogant sneering anti British Europhiles who hate anything to do with Britain. I haven’t noticed a tailback from Dover as the hoards of EU luvvies flock to leave our country though, we can only hope they’re busy packing!

As for healing the division? LOLs. I’m never forgetting nor forgiving them for trying to destroy our democracy nor for their bare faced hatred of us and abuse meted out by them which still continues today! I will continue to gloat at our triumph over evil!

Simon C

1st February 2020 at 3:13 pm

It’s not just their hating Britain but hating the poor and working class – those who tend to be most exploited and worst affected by membership of trading blocs like the EU.

I can forgive but I won’t forget. If anything I’m thankful for Brexit showing these people up for what we always knew they were but tried to hide it behind their virtue signalling.

James E Shaw

1st February 2020 at 6:43 pm

“It was a triumph of the People v. Them. Them being the arrogant sneering anti British Europhiles who hate anything to do with Britain.”

Right. So under half the population that voted are not the people.

“As for healing the division? LOLs. I’m never forgetting nor forgiving them for trying to destroy our democracy nor for their bare faced hatred of us and abuse meted out by them which still continues today! I will continue to gloat at our triumph over evil!”

Evil here being the people who expressed worry and concern about the result as they had every right to, and whose representatives in parliament who were dismissed as traitors and saboteurs by rancid little Englanders such as yourself who epitomize patriotism as the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Fred Mutton

2nd February 2020 at 6:25 pm

The ruling elite consider themselves immune to their own decisions. None of them live in Sparkbrook Birmingham.

James E Shaw

2nd February 2020 at 6:49 pm

Former Prime Minister Sir John Major is a member of the elite on Spiked’s terms. He grew up in Brixton and left school with only 3 O’ levels, yet still became PM and not only backed Remain but supported a legal ruling with Gina Miller that prolonged Parliament in September.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 3:19 am

Oh, and another thing. You’re not suggesting Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nigel Farage or Dominic Cummings come from Sparkbrook Birmingham.

Jess Philips, on the other hand…..

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 11:22 am

The sun still shines and God is still in his Heaven…

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 2:31 pm

Are you afraid to answer my question that I have asked you several times?
I’ll try again . What is good about A French German dominated expansionist empire that removes power away from the citizen?
Do tell, or are you frit?

Noggin The nog

1st February 2020 at 4:42 pm

Jerry. ZP is a troll who is not interested in writing a meaningful comment. ZP just delights in snide comments and ignores making sound, meaningful contributions. Best to ignore ZP.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 10:58 pm

‘A French German dominated expansionist empire’ — LOL

nick hunt

1st February 2020 at 10:58 am

Sincere thanks and hats off to Brendan, whose consistently incisive and crystal-clear commentary over the last 3 years has enlightened and inspired so many of us.

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 11:22 am

Hear hear!

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 1:18 pm

Get a room!

Ven Oods

1st February 2020 at 4:48 pm

I did like that one!

Bella Donna

1st February 2020 at 2:57 pm

Agreed ???

steven brook

1st February 2020 at 10:11 am

Mr Barnier please feel free to inflict on the UK as many punishment beatings as possible over the next 12 months. Demand that you have complete access to our fishing grounds and that we kowtow to all EU protocols. Similarly use the traitorous British media to belittle and ridicule the British people. These tactics have worked extremely well over the last three years and I’m hopeful that they will produce a clean break with your antidemocratic organisation, WTO arrangements will be fine with me.

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 10:23 am

The first thing Johnson needs to do to make a big statement about ‘getting Brexit done’ is to revive our fishing industry.

Eva Prior

1st February 2020 at 3:37 pm

Oh dear *sighs and puts on merchant of doom costume again*

Early reports seem to suggest thatcher Fishing industry will be sacrificed on the Tories sacred altar of the Finance sector.

The only thing Johnson will do ‘to get Brexit done’ for Fisheries is don his great Wizard of deflection costume to throw out some crispy batter bits of spin.

Eva Prior

1st February 2020 at 3:40 pm

*…that the Fishing industry…*

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 7:28 pm

Sadly Eva I think you may well be right

Jason Daves

1st February 2020 at 10:03 am

Took a while for you guys to do it, but you fought back tyrannical leadership. Now you should vote those tyrants out, no? Trump and Boris winning every day! MAGA2020

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 4:11 am

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 3:48 am

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 4:00 am

Fiona Mackenzie

1st February 2020 at 2:18 am

What a great win for democracy. Finally the UK is free to pursue an amazing future on its own terms. I’m feeling very proud to be British today.

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 2:36 am

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 10:07 am

Despite your name, you’re clearly not a Scottish patriot…

SAOR ALBA

The Killgrave

2nd February 2020 at 9:09 am

What should your name clearly represent?

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 1:57 am

Afailed attempt at, … y.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7uy0ldI_1HA

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 2:48 am

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 2:50 am

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 3:11 am

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 3:16 am

Freedom!

Leslie Ayre

1st February 2020 at 1:56 am

A glorious day indeed. Yet…….AC Grayling is still fighting for the “cause”.
His justification is that only 29% voted for a Conservative Government, and that the rest voted for Remain by virtue of the fact that the other parties stated policies were either for Remain or a second referendum. He ignores Labour’s confused view, but assumes that a second referendum would resoundingly overturn 2016 result.
These people are still convinced that they know better than us mere plebs.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 2:37 pm

I can guarantee that AC Grayling has a better haircut than you!

Joseph Brown

31st January 2020 at 11:59 pm

ZENOBIA PALMYRA – So bitter, so salty.

And where did your incessant whining and crying on these pages for the last three years get you and your cretinous, democracy hating remoaner chums? No where. Lol

You lost. Suck it up. 🙂

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 12:51 am

As long as you’re OK with losing Scotland and NI, and your influence in Europe, America and just about anywhere else. So far, your Brexit has done nothing but tank the pound (which continues to struggle), cause massive political upheaval, and undermine our credibility with the rest of the world. Brexit will do nothing to remedy the fundamental structural deficiencies of the British state. You have an unelected head of state and dare to lecture others about the value of democracy. Don’t blame Europe – the problem is you, la perfide Albion!

Leslie Ayre

1st February 2020 at 2:02 am

Lose influence in the EU? – not so sure.
Lose influence with the US – don’t think so.
A tanked pound which continues to struggle – again don’t think so. It certainly lost value against the US$ and Euro after the referendum, but that was no bad thing – it was overvalued anyway. Its current performance has shown a slow but steady rise against both currencies. I don’t have a crystal ball, but in the current climate I believe it will continue to oscillate but the general trend will remain.

Joseph Brown

1st February 2020 at 2:17 am

For the last three years people like you hsve been spreading your bile, fear mongering and lies while simultaneously cooking up a fantasy, rainbow coloured version of the EU and where’s it got you? Lol. It’s almost delicious how bitter and salty you are. You lost. Have some dignity in defeat. Give it up and stop embarrassing yourself.

Paolo Pagliaro

1st February 2020 at 6:16 am

UK credibility hasn’t been so high since a long time ago: it’s a country where democracy works, while in my Italy the government is the hands of a party which lost the election… and it’s liked in Bruxelles.

But you mean “credibility among the anointed”, of course; and, outside your circle, only racism and ignorance reigns.

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 10:25 am

ZP
Booooo Hoooo!

nick hunt

1st February 2020 at 11:10 am

Xenops, please tell us! Do you favour more power to the people over politicians, or more power to the politicians over the people? Because elitism or populism is now the political choice that matters, not the hopelessly inadequate and outdated one of left or right.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 11:05 pm

NIHIL EST INCERTIUS VULGO

Neil McCaughan

31st January 2020 at 11:54 pm

Up yours, Delors.

Paolo Pagliaro

1st February 2020 at 6:25 am

Agnosce te ipsam in speculo.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 2:36 pm

et tu quoque!

Dominic Straiton

31st January 2020 at 10:45 pm

“first they ignore you, then they laugh at you,then they fight you. Then you win.”

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 10:10 am

No, we’re still laughing at you!

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 10:27 am

No ZP you are crying and I absolutely love it!

Colin Broughton

31st January 2020 at 10:04 pm

Preferring one’s own ethnic kind to others is pretty universal, I should have thought.

Preferring one’s own kind doesn’t mean one ‘hates’ others. The fact that one goes home to one’s own family and not to the one next door doesn’t mean one ‘hates’ the family next door.

That is a non-sequitur and a slur on millions upon millions of ordinary decent people who have wanted no more than to live in their own country, among their own people, in their own way, as they and their forebears always have done.

This smear is perpetrated on them by a class of emotionally stunted individuals who sneer at ordinary people and disparage their own country because it gives them a warm glow of feelings of superiority.

Jason Daves

1st February 2020 at 10:06 am

Here Here!

mick heapy

1st February 2020 at 5:36 pm

At last, an eloquently stated explanation of what is so often and all to readily, branded as “racism” Thank you Colin, somebody who truly understands and speaks my language.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 9:58 pm

Well done, you’ve substantially slowed down the UK economy (says one of those expert-types you people despise):

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/brexit-will-never-be-an-economic-triumph-but-it-can-be-a-political-one-h78v63vlj

Paolo Pagliaro

1st February 2020 at 6:26 am

Like Krugman with Trump?

Fred Mutton

2nd February 2020 at 12:12 am

We .ain’t done the EU economy any favours my cherub

Peter Gordon

31st January 2020 at 9:21 pm

I couldn’t see any mention of Nigel Farage, the man who with our help, made it happen.

Ignoring him isn’t right at any level.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 12:55 am

Oh yes it is!

Jason Daves

1st February 2020 at 10:07 am

Cheers to Farage!

Filbert Flange

31st January 2020 at 9:08 pm

The festivities have begun in earnest! here too. 3pm will be bong-time here, ot on the furthest reaches of humanity, but the gin is already flowing freely. Most of our guests are expats who would have voted remain, but are fine with the free booze and mowbray pies. The Jack is also flowing freely in a stiff breeze, drawing all sorts, like a bacon of freedom and celebration.

This is a wondrous day, but I’d like to take a moment to wish all those who have trolled this place, bon chance mes amis! We are all brothers and sisters, wherever we are. My life would not be as rich and rewarding without you. I value you, even when you irk me!

All the best.

Brandy Cluster

31st January 2020 at 8:13 pm

Congratulations!! Best wishes from Australia. I have one concern: Johnson has allowed that Chinese tech company into the UK for the 5G network and this is a huge security issue for the “Five Eyes” program. We are all perplexed by the stupidity of it.

Also, I wonder if this has been discussed here by Brendan and others: the comparatively recent withdrawal of “loser consent” – so fundamental to a democracy and yet being perpetually eroded (in a very serious way) by the Left in the democracies of the UK, USA and now Australia. The Left will no longer accept the peoples’ votes and are attempting to bring down democratically elected governments through concerted media action. The latter are left wing activists and not journalists (as my son asked “who in the world these days would admit to being a journalist”?) and they WILL NOT accept the voice of the people. Of course, authoritarianism is in the DNA of the Left and it hasn’t been on such overt display as in recent years, forged on the anvil of ‘anywheres’ (globalists) and ‘somewheres’ (nation lovers). It’s far more insidious than that and deserved to be unpacked by a more inquiring media such as “Spiked”.

steven brook

31st January 2020 at 6:20 pm

Please stop gloating everyone! Think of the poor Remoaners who simply can’t face life outside of their beloved EU. I personally will be going to the White Cliffs of Dover to cheer them on as they leap off the edge while holding hands and singing Ode to Joy and shouting “accept our sacrifice Jean-Claude!!!!!!!!!!”

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 7:16 pm

Steven Brook
I’m not gloating.. but I’m not in the pub yet!

Brandy Cluster

31st January 2020 at 8:14 pm

It’s far worse than that; it’s actually the withdrawal of ‘loser consent’ which is so fundamental to functioning democracies in the western world. Trump, Brexit and Morrison (Australia) are all under siege from media hostile to the new democratic decisions from the people.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 9:17 pm

Trump only ‘won’ because of the US electoral college system. Hilary got 3 million more votes than him! It is clear that there is significant opposition to Trump throughout the US. Even evangelicals have turned against him for his arrogance, immorality and disrespect for fundamental democratic norms.

Paolo Pagliaro

1st February 2020 at 6:33 am

Zenobia, the electoral collage system is a feature not a bug. Furthermore, it’s the Constitutional law in the US – another little detail (beside abiding by vote results as regards Brexit) which upsets the anointed ones.

Jerry Owen

1st February 2020 at 10:29 am

ZP
Don’t you get fed up with being on the wrong side of history?

nick hunt

1st February 2020 at 11:30 am

Xenops, only butthurt red fascists peddle this childish story. Trump won fairly in the same way as every US President ever did: by winning the electoral college. The USA is a republic, remember? Isn’t it time to walk your leftist talk and treat others with opinions you reject as nonetheless your equals? How about respecting what the US people chose (the policies of Trump) or what the Brits want (independence restored, the democratic right to remove failed leaders)? Your choosing elitism over populism belongs to the age of tyranny and empire.

Matt Ryan

1st February 2020 at 12:23 pm

Hillary won the Progressive coasts but lost the rest of the US. She only appealed to her own supporters – the rest of the voters didn’t like what they saw. Trump connects with them on issues they care about (i.e. not climate change/green new deal and immigrant or tranny rights).

The Democrats (like Labour here) don’t seem to understand that and will lose the next presidential elections again for the same reasons.

James E Shaw

3rd February 2020 at 3:25 am

Dominic Straiton

31st January 2020 at 6:08 pm

Brexit a greatest affirmation of freedom and democracy that is a beacon to the world. It was won not by bullets but by a simple tick in the box. The first tick was ignored tick after tick after tick rather than bullets won.

Filbert Flange

31st January 2020 at 9:12 pm

Well said good fellow.

Michael Lynch

1st February 2020 at 8:00 am

Top comment. Well said.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 10:14 am

The world barely knows that you exist! Your influence is minimal and has been since at least the time of Suez. You ceased being ‘top nation’ in 1918, which is when history ends…

NEIL DATSON

31st January 2020 at 4:49 pm

While I’m in general sympathy with the euphoria being expressed above and below the line, and have every intention of quietly toasting the historic moment, I also keep in mind what a mundane event it is. Or at least ought to be.

Imagine it as a (rather long) newspaper headline: ‘Electorate of once self-governing independent democracy votes to restore independent, democratic, self-government! Shock?’ But then I suppose the Putney Debates went off fairly quietly at the time.

Like Steve Baker I see no reason to rub any unhappy Remainers noses in it, but as for the hardcore Remoaners, especially those prominent in politics and the media . . .

Filbert Flange

31st January 2020 at 9:15 pm

This is a day of celebration. Those who choose to sulk will have their sour grapes to console themselves, but they will not take away this great day!

NEIL DATSON

31st January 2020 at 11:23 pm

And what will tomorrow’s Guardian headline be? ‘Shock as Sun Rises in East!’

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Eva Prior

31st January 2020 at 4:28 pm

Hmmm….sorry, but I’m afraid I’m gonna have to poop this ‘Brexit’ party for several reasons. As an ardent brexiter I have zero confidence in us actually getting complete freedom from the control of the EU when we are led on this matter by a person who time and time again has shown that he doesn’t keep his promises either on a personal or Political level.

I’m no fan of Farage, but feel a tad sad that Johnson couldn’t even excercise a modicum of good grace to put Farage centre stage today. Instead, he gluttonously tries to claim it as his own achievement.

When that microwave pings and we get to taste his puddin (oooh er matron) I think it’s gonna be bitter not sweet.

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 5:08 pm

Several reasons?

Eva Prior

31st January 2020 at 6:48 pm

Fair cop.

Just like politicians I promised lots but didn’t deliver….

a watson

31st January 2020 at 4:09 pm

Great! How those evil and hypocritical people who dislike our culture and history have been exposed for what they are – cheerleaders for gangsters from abroad running our affairs. What has been shocking is the exposure of the Labour Party as an empty shell of a party with no real concern for the British working class.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 4:48 pm

For most of the history of Britain the establishment has had no real concern for the British working class.
That’s what you cheer when you cheer our “history” and “culture”.

a watson

31st January 2020 at 5:04 pm

Sad reply Jonnie.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 7:25 pm

Sad maybe, but also true.

steve moxon

31st January 2020 at 7:45 pm

Come again? Throughout history there has always been a duty of noblesse oblige that higher classes have exercised to the benefit of the lower. Even if this ever was not honoured and replaced by a lack of concern, it would beat hands down the attitude nowadays of the establishment as it has bought the Left’s backlash ideology of ‘identity politics’ / ‘PC’: hatred towards the working classes.

Amanda Purdy

31st January 2020 at 8:37 pm

That ignores all the evidence of concepts such as noblesse oblige, the remains of the feudal system where landowners had a responsibility for the welfare of their local people. It ignores all the progress made in the 19th especially by Quaker industrialists who were creating model towns for their workers. It ignores all the good work done by unions in the early 20th to improve working conditions. It ignores all the theory produced by Locke, Hume, Paine and Mill to underpin human rights and ignores Wilberforce, Shaftesbury and Parliaments part in ending slavery and the exploitation of working class children. To mention just a fraction of Britain’s glorious history

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 8:44 pm

No it doesn’t.
It just recognises that such concepts were trumpeted about far more in theory than in practise.

The work of unions to improve the conditions of the working class underlines my point – the establishment had little care for working people, it was only through collective action themselves that any meaningful change was made. The unions took on he establishment and overturned British history.

In fact, every “glorious” moment you mentioned was an overturning of tradition.

I wonder if back then, such actions were also demonized for being born of a “dislike of hsitroy and culture”.

Generally, changing the norm requires you to at the very least disapprove of it. You can’t idolize those who did so in the past and demonize those who do so now.

That is the true hypocrisy here.

Amanda Purdy

31st January 2020 at 10:11 pm

JHenley. You need to read Matt Ridley “the evolution of everything”, or see gapminder.com about how lives,health and well being have actually in practice improved over the last 200 years.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 10:21 pm

Well said, Jonnie. Johnson will do nothing to remedy the poverty in the north of England, Scotland and Wales. Betrayal will come quickly to Sedgefield and Blyth. Brexit was always just based on a lie about the UK’s superiority over the rest of the globe. The UK was never superior and never will be.

Amanda Purdy

31st January 2020 at 10:35 pm

As for “idolising ” the past and demonising the present. I certainly can because it depends on how one goes about change. Edmund Burke was a great defender of tradition and many things which needed to change to get to where we are today but also had useful ideas about the consequences of undermining foundational institutions in society, like the family. He would also have added the Church and the class system and I cannot regret the changes there.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 10:51 pm

I’ve visited that website before. To me it merely conforms that societies only start prospering when they reject and break with tradition and reform themselves.

But in my view such reform is difficult, if not impossible without a critical eye to a nation’s past.

a watson

1st February 2020 at 12:37 pm

Have you been studying Pol Pot and Chairman Mao Jonnie?

Jonnie Henly

2nd February 2020 at 6:17 pm

Do you have a coherent point?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 12:54 am

Your definition of British (or rather, English) culture is so narrow that only Anne Widdicombe could subscribe to it…

Ven Oods

1st February 2020 at 4:55 pm

Now, there’s a gal who could show Mrs May how to dance!

Michael Lynch

31st January 2020 at 3:46 pm

Let the bells ring out for Brexit!

Forlorn Dream

31st January 2020 at 3:01 pm

I’ll be having a few vodkas tonight while listening to Something Inside So Strong by Labi Siffre, on repeat.

Today truly is a momentous day. I suspect future generations will remember today as the beginning of our new era of growth, prosperity, independence and national pride.

Ian Bradbury

31st January 2020 at 5:57 pm

Well I hope you’re right, but I rather fear marking our decline into an irrelevant tax haven is more likely.

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 6:03 pm

Can you quantify your statement?

Brandy Cluster

31st January 2020 at 8:17 pm

We in Australia are extremely surprised and dismayed by Johnson’s decision on Huawei and its impact on the “Five Eyes” international security co-operation.

Miles Plastic

31st January 2020 at 2:42 pm

A very good article. I voted leave because I resent the fraudulent world view of the liberal, which is what the EU stands for : the smug hypocrisy, the arrogance, the fake morality and virtue, none of it is true. It needs taking down forever. If that is populism, then so be it.

Brandy Cluster

31st January 2020 at 8:19 pm

It’s the post-Christian era where the new ‘religion’ of climate change and PC is taking over. And it has all the hallmarks; evangelical crusades, enforced conformity, belief independent of fact and fire and brimstone. It shows me that human beings need the evangelical to feel alive.

Amanda Purdy

31st January 2020 at 8:45 pm

Please don’t call them liberal. That is not liberalism. Classic liberals believe in democracy, free speech, free market enterprise and smallish government. The EU is all about big bureaucracy, big commercial, that is why their economies are failing because there is no room for new ideas, innovation, small business start ups.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 2:07 pm

“The powers-that-be — from the business elites to more than 70 per cent of MPs to virtually the entire academy and cultural sphere — were pro-Remain.”

Hardly. Vast sections of the print media establishment were firmly pro Leave, and they represent a significant influence amongst the cultural and political elites of the EU.

Brendan would do well to cool with the back slapping and remember that

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 2:23 pm

I’ll drink to your tears tonight little Jonnie !

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 4:47 pm

Drink to whatever you like Jerry, I know I’ll always live rent free in your head!

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 6:06 pm

You live rent free in mommies house little Jonnie nowhere else.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 7:27 pm

Sure Jerry, you’ve never left the street you grew up on. A night of supposed celebration for you and all you can think about it me…… enjoy it, I certainly am.

Be sure to open the store on time tomorrow though.

James Knight

31st January 2020 at 4:00 pm

People have short memories. At the start of the referendum campaign Leave was ridiculed as a handful of cranks reminiscent of Tony Benn and Enoch Powell in the 1970s. Remain was supposed to be a “shoe in”. The entire establishment institutions got behind Remain: from the ruling Tory government, the opposition parties, the BoE, the IMF and a cultural elite that dominates universities and the media.

Then in June 2016 their whole world view was shattered. Almost the entire political class was for once truly skewered – by democracy. They were left panicking and wriggling on the hook for over 3 years. We should not put this behind us: we should remember those remainers who upheld and respected the result but we should never forget the remoaners who tried to de-legitimise it and did everything to undermine it by continually defaming millions of Leave voters. When I was growing up kids who cursed were told to wash their mouth out with carbolic soap and water. Remoaners, even now still spreading their divisive toxic bilge, need a similar treatment.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 4:54 pm

Please. Euroscepticism has been a major political ideology amongst sections of the establishment for decades.
Throughout our tenure in the EU this ideology kept us separate from numerous EU initiatives, the most notable being the Euro.

Not even the most pro Europe government in the UK’s history, with a huge majority in the House, was willing to join the Euro.

Euroscepticism has always had a firm footing amongst the elite. Maybe not a dominant one, but a significant factor none the less. And it was something that could be found in both major parties as well.

Let’s not forget that this is where the Brexit campaign began. Not through marches on the street, not through protests or strikes or what have you – it came about through pressure from the Tory backbenchers in Westminster, and from the tabloid editors on Fleet Street.

June 2016 was a big upset, no doubt about it, but a skewering of the powers that be by the demands of the ordinary people it was not.

Filbert Flange

31st January 2020 at 9:30 pm

I remain(!) hopeful there is something that can be said or done that disavows you of such bitterness. You and I might disagree on many purely esoteric issues like brexit, but we still have so very much in common. I’ll bet we would get along famously in person. Face to face still is the best way to be human.

I truly wish you all the best.

Jonnie Henly

31st January 2020 at 9:42 pm

That’s a wierd comment, for I was not displaying any bitterness, merely stating fact.

It would be a shame if we could no longer disagree with one another without resorting to rather crude and baseless accusations such as these.

Filbert Flange

1st February 2020 at 1:25 am

Can you, for one moment, let it go? I have…

Jonnie Henly

2nd February 2020 at 12:07 pm

Let what go? Again, What is this bitterness you keep projecting onto me?

Are you incapable of arguing in good faith? That’s too bad, fortunately I’m not.

Colin Broughton

31st January 2020 at 10:09 pm

The Mail changed its policy to Remoan not long before Brexit, thanks it is said to the opinions of the owners.

Charles Buonaventura

31st January 2020 at 10:56 pm

I remember reading that the proprietor’s wife kept getting stick for the Mail’s Brexit policy at dinner parties. It sounded like a lost chapter of Scoop.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 12:57 am

Absolutely. The press is skewed towards Leave. The assault on the BBC is an attack on democracy and freedom of speech. It is a cynical exercise in social engineering.

Jim Lawrie

31st January 2020 at 12:31 pm

Today is The Hogmanay of Brexit. Let’s go out and get legless. Maybe first foot Gina Miller after The Bells for a chorus of Auld Lang Syne.

Gina Miller – GIRFUY.

Jim Lawrie

31st January 2020 at 12:35 pm

What would it take to unpucker her face?

a watson

31st January 2020 at 4:23 pm

Seconded.

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 6:07 pm

Nothing …a niqab is the only solution.

Fred Mutton

2nd February 2020 at 12:09 am

Her deportation papers.

Colin Broughton

31st January 2020 at 10:06 pm

She thought her money could obliterate the democratic will of the people by bypassing it using the courts.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

2nd February 2020 at 2:42 pm

She had a legal and democratic right to challenge the government’s actions and exercised that right.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

1st February 2020 at 12:58 am

Hogmanay belongs to Scotland. Have you tried Morris dancing?

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 10:46 am

Couldn’t agree more.. it’s not a phrase I’ve ever really used before but is apt ‘It makes you proud to be British’, certainly in this instance because yes, people from Ireland Wales and Scotland also voted in their millions to leave the EU we mustn’t lose sight of that fact which the media downplay as much as possible, when they say that they voted to ‘remain’ as if it were a homogenous block vote.. it wasn’t.
The ‘remainer’ hardcore haven’t given up it is now of course ‘rejoin’ and you can bet every hardship this country suffers will be ‘due to Brexit’.. why, I even bet if there were a shortage of say, sandwiches or Belgian sperm they would blame it on Brexit as mad as it may sound!
I will be wearing a lot of red white and blue down my local boozer tonight. very few people will be upset we know that, but the ones that are it’s just a little well deserved payback.. Oh and I’m off to the bank tomorrow for a pile of new 50p pieces if they are available, forget Paddington bear and Beatrix Potter get the real deal.
Happy Brexit day!

steven brook

31st January 2020 at 10:32 am

The shops are already reporting food and drink shortages because of Brexit. Especially of snacks and champagne. Just checking, has anyone caught the knob-rot George Osborne promised?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 10:42 am

Excessive alcohol consumption causes liver damage. I’m not sure the post-Brexit Americanised NHS will be able to cope with the added burden of all those liver-damaged nativists from Essex.

Ed Turnbull

31st January 2020 at 10:58 am

Ah ZP, your salty Remainer tears are delicious – they season my day most wonderfully.

When are you going to stop behaving like a six-year-old and accept that your side lost? Or should I be wishing for something more achievable, like a pet unicorn?

James Wolfe

31st January 2020 at 11:51 am

I also plan on smoking tonight as well. In full Chestertonian spirit, one in the eye for advocates of prussianism and fabianism like yourself.

Jim Lawrie

31st January 2020 at 1:02 pm

Yes Zeno. Those sophisticated French are all too aware of the damage alcohol does to the liver. But still they start their wains oan the bevvy at age twelve. Take a drink hen.

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 2:25 pm

ZP
Are you going to take your bitterness to the grave ?

Miles Plastic

31st January 2020 at 2:31 pm

ZP, what a priceless comment, absolutely hilarious.

Noggin The nog

31st January 2020 at 4:11 pm

Wonderful article Brendan! Marvelous news for all in the UK. Unfortunately the resident SJW Troll, ZENOBIA PALMYRA (aka Amelia Cantor) is back again. ZENOBIA PALMYRA now claims to be an evangelical Christian – yet generates the least Christian posts that I have seen. Best to ignore its comments and rejoice on this historical day.

a watson

31st January 2020 at 4:28 pm

ZP why do you pick on people from Essex?

nick hunt

1st February 2020 at 11:36 am

Xenops, bigotry is always bad; you demonise and scapegoat gammons, the Nazis demonised and scapegoated you know who. Surely you trolls can trigger and have fun without sinking so low?

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 6:09 pm

Any news on the lack of Belgian sperm imports?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 10:31 am

Brexit: Imaginary liberation from imaginary oppression for no discernible gain. This is one of the greatest countries in the world, but for the moment it has taken leave of its senses…

Now will you grant Scotland its right to determine its own future, just as the English have done through their nationalist project?

Ed Turnbull

31st January 2020 at 11:07 am

ZP, Scotland *was* given the opportunity to vote on self determination in 2014. The people of Scotland – of whom I am one – voted by 55% to 45% to remain part of the UK. We were told this referendum was a ‘once in a generation’ choice, so unless a ‘generation’ has been redefined as six years I think it ought to be another twenty before we once more vote on the issue.

And Scotland already has considerable self determination via the Scottish Parliament (though I must confess that authoritarian shower, the SNP, have been making a poor fist of it for over 10 years). Are you genuinely unaware of these facts or, more likely, conveniently ignoring them so as not to undermine your own trolling.

Oh, and by the way, your side lost in 2016. Just thought you might need another reminder of that, on today of all days. You’re welcome. 😉

Jonathan Marshall

31st January 2020 at 8:24 pm

Touche!

Paolo Pagliaro

1st February 2020 at 6:34 am

Ops!

James Wolfe

31st January 2020 at 11:50 am

We did in 2014. They voted to remain part of the UK. Remember?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 12:54 pm

In 2016, Scotland voted to remain in the EU. Remember? Scotland was an independent country for 700 years before the union was ever thought of…

James Wolfe

31st January 2020 at 1:12 pm

No, Scotland didn’t vote to remain in the EU. Scotland voted as part of the UK to leave the EU and one million Scots contributed to that, with one and a half million voting against.

Jim Lawrie

31st January 2020 at 12:34 pm

Access to The World as our market. Cheaper and better food.
Noo whaur did ah pit ma chlorinated chick’n?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

31st January 2020 at 12:56 pm

You had access to the world as your market while in the EU, and privileged access to the world’s biggest single market. Your failure to capitalise sufficiently on your opportunities is due to your own lack of initiative and efficiency – don’t blame the Slovaks! And you know that you have a huge productivity problem: the French and Germans have the same output over four days as you have over five. You need to get your act together.

Dominic Straiton

31st January 2020 at 1:20 pm

Its probably in the same place as the chlorinated lettuce from Spain. Near your sink with its chlorinated water.

Jim Lawrie

31st January 2020 at 4:18 pm

I think, Dominic, that I’d best use the bleach to wash away all that chlorine.

Jim Lawrie

31st January 2020 at 4:57 pm

No Zeno. We could not import what we wanted from the rest of the world, and by the same token faced barriers in exporting to them.
We also could not sell on equal terms to China, the world’s most populous market, growing in value by 7% each year, compared to less than 1% for the EU.
The biggest single market figure includes The UK. Without us, they lose that accolade. For us to access the UK market, we do not need the EU. To make up for the loss of our market value by GDP, they need to grant membership to Albania, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kosovo, North Macedonia, , Morocco, Uzbekistan, Serbia, Bosnia, Georgia, Armenia, Montenegro, Algeria, Egypt and Libya.

Jerry Owen

31st January 2020 at 2:28 pm

ZP
I’ve asked you before and I’ll ask you again.. what is that you like about the EU having control over Britain? Why do you support Verhofstadt in his desire to remove more powers from individual member states to give the EU even greater control?
Do tell?

nick hunt

1st February 2020 at 11:57 am

Xenops will never ‘fess up, but it’s more power to the politicians she wants, never more power to the people. More crudely, Xenops loves and trusts power more than people. It’s that elitist/leftist thing.

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