Labour is on the verge of total irrelevance

Its identitarian agenda is out of touch with the vast majority of the public.

Rakib Ehsan
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Following its catastrophic General Election defeat, the Labour Party desperately needs a period of serious introspection. The gravity of the defeat must not be underestimated by those within the party. Labour is on the brink of declining into a state of complete irrelevance – into an amateurish social-activist organisation, out of touch with much of the British public.

Momentum, now a dominant force within the party, helped to produce a disastrous policy agenda that married open-borders cosmopolitanism with the aggressive prioritisation of minority-group interests. Outrider media organisations like Novara Media have also caused significant damage to Labour. They appear to have a fundamental loathing for patriotic, traditional working-class voters. (Take Aaron Bastani’s denunciation of the Poppy Appeal as ‘white supremacist’.) These people have exploited Labour, using it as a vehicle to infiltrate mainstream politics and push their wokeism.

One of Labour’s central problems is that the self-labelled ‘anti-racists’ of the modern left, fuelled by aggressive racial identity politics, refuse to acknowledge that some of the most deprived communities in the UK are predominantly white. Britain’s core cities, such as London and Birmingham, have their fair share of deprived, ethnically diverse constituencies. But there is also a swathe of disadvantaged communities in ex-industrial and coastal towns that are far less diverse.

A responsible party of the left would be able to develop a policy agenda that could command high levels of support across all of these constituencies. But many around the Labour Party are so utterly obsessed with ‘white privilege’ that they cannot even begin to feel any sense of affection towards underprivileged white British people.

This animus runs deeper. White working-class people in the provinces are considered to be an inconvenience. And if these people dare to express a dissenting opinion – such as on Brexit – they can expect a verbal volley of abuse from the increasingly intolerant left: ‘racist’, ‘thick’, ‘bigoted’, ‘jingoistic’ and ‘Little Englander’ have become common slurs.

Labour’s publication of a separate ‘Race and Faith’ manifesto during the election was racial identity politics at its peak. It included proposals such as a race-equality unit in the Treasury to review the impact of all spending commitments on ‘BAME communities’.

There are many constituencies – both predominantly white and ethnically diverse – that have been starved of meaningful public investment for decades. Instead of its ‘Race and Faith’ initiative, Labour should have produced a ‘Rebuilding Our Communities’ manifesto, laying out an ambitious post-Brexit agenda based on local economic regeneration and decentralisation of political control. Policy initiatives such as town-centre regeneration and expansion of free ports, placed in the hands of those with local expertise and specialist knowledge, and accountable to their communities, could have been part of a broader post-Brexit plan to revive deprived parts of the country.

A more decentralised political and economic model, transferring power and decision-making from Whitehall to local communities, could have commanded great public support in both Leave-leaning constituencies with high ethnic-minority populations (such as Luton South and Birmingham Hodge Hill), as well as predominantly white, former coal-mining seats (such as Bolsover and Blyth Valley). It would have also appealed to the coastal constituencies that the Conservatives gained from Labour, such as Workington and Great Grimsby.

Brexit should have been a wake-up call for Labour. But the opportunity to reconnect with neglected communities across the UK was well and truly squandered by a party that was far more interested in talking than listening. This led to it developing a policy agenda guided by identity politics instead of the bread-and-butter concerns of the wider British public.

Labour is at a crossroads. The risk of it descending further into political insignificance is extremely high. Some Labourites are trying to take comfort in the party’s continued high level of support among certain demographic groups, particularly young people. They believe this may lead to an electorate that is ‘naturally’ more receptive to them. But this behaviour is unbecoming of a party that should be serious about delivering social and economic change in the here and now.

The Labour Party needs to start acknowledging that it has been getting a great number of things wrong for a very long time.

Dr Rakib Ehsan is a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society. Follow him on Twitter: @rakibehsan.

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Comments

Marvin Jones

20th January 2020 at 4:19 pm

There is possibly a strange method to labour’s obsessive affinity with what we the average people call minorities and the LGBT groups. These groups will always increase by eye watering numbers year on year, with the same guarantees of paying taxes and dying. The supporters of Brexit and the right leaning sections are dwindling or don’t increase in such large numbers, eg the Jewish people, that’s why labour don’t care a toss about their screams of racism and frustration. Where as the Africans, Asians and mainly the Moslems whom all seem to support the party of terrorist lovers, open borders and ultra mass migration, will wipe the floor with the backing of this incessant flood of newcomers increasing their unlimited numbers daily.

David Bettney

18th January 2020 at 3:04 pm

I think there is far too much attention on how momentum and minority groups have captured the Labour Party….The very Labour MPs themselves, can not go a day without pushing the woke agenda and playing the victim card. No MPs from the Labour party ever say that politically correctness has gone too far, and that we should be proud of Britain’s past and that’s why people want to come to this amazing country that we have forged out of a damp island. Labour will never be relevant to the working classes (with or without momentum) unless it ditches its Islington champagne set. Truth is, it can’t, as it gets equal votes from the ultra liberal city dwellers, as it did its working class. You can’t have both, as the cultural love of its country from the working class, and ambivalence/hostility towards British values from the liberal side, and two diametrically opposed ideologies. Pick what party you are, but to try to be both to two totally different groups, will have the same consequences as the Brexit stance of sitting on the fence…..Bye bye Labour 🙂

Fred West

15th January 2020 at 1:04 pm

“Take Aaron Bastani’s denunciation of the Poppy Appeal as ‘white supremacist’ ”
Seems it is OK for this one to group identity ‘Whites’
But to do the same to him is ‘Antisemetic?
True equality would be a revelation of epic proportions.

bf bf

13th January 2020 at 10:11 pm

“Some Labourites are trying to take comfort in the party’s continued high level of support among certain demographic groups, particularly young people. They believe this may lead to an electorate that is ‘naturally’ more receptive to them.”

Only problem (for them) is we are not breeding at replacement level and so over the next few years there will be millions more older people and millions less naive/idealistic/easily lead youngsters (freshly brain washed from “education”). It is a known fact that in most cases as we get older, taking on financial and family responsibilities we become better informed about the non black and white nature of life and so more small c conservative.

jan mozelewski

13th January 2020 at 9:32 pm

It just occurred to me that there is a typo in the title….I am surprised no one has spotted it. It should, of course, read: Labour IN the Verge……

David Bettney

18th January 2020 at 4:19 pm

Very true

Jim Lawrie

13th January 2020 at 4:17 pm

How can you write such an article Mr Ehsan without mentioning that the ethnics are an imported gerrymander and Labour relies on, and thinks itself entitled to, their votes. Labourites’ reaction to ethnics who thought for themselves and supported Brexit revealed the real racists in British politics.
Why do you lament their demise? Their collapse means quite a few of the ethnics’ gravy trains will be shunted into the sidings. That is a good thing. Equality and all that.

Filbert Flange

13th January 2020 at 3:16 pm

There can be no doubt that leftism is paying a dear price for its own degradation into a party of the urban rich and privileged. Many wonder how hurling insults at everybody and denouncing anything that breathes can be a viable political strategy, but I have come to believe such tactics are not aimed at gaining new followers, rather it’s the Berlin wall approach: to keep inmates of the leftist asylum from ever dreaming of leaving the herd. That too isn’t working, at least not while voting is still a private affair.

nick hunt

16th January 2020 at 1:09 pm

I’d say leftists have degraded into red fascists, and it’s getting very hard to ignore

reality lite

13th January 2020 at 1:53 pm

The truth of the matter is the Labour Party is a walking rotting corpse has been of little benefit to the people of the UK since the 30s of the last century. It needs a stake through its heart & burying at a crossroads. Preferably under concrete. With it out of the way, the dealing similarly with that other blight on the nation, the Tories, can be undertaken. Thankfully, the self destruction & interment of the LibDems is being conducted by the LibDems themselves. Maybe, then, we might get some sensible & competent people administering the country.

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 2:10 pm

Indeed, though maybe give ’em until the 1950s!

Steve Roberts

13th January 2020 at 5:44 pm

Steve Moxon, absolutely not to the 50’s, unless one subscribes to the delusions of the” left” – which i very much doubt considering your political history – that Atleeism was Socialism rather than the LP playing, once again its historical role of supporting the overall needs of the indigenous capitalist class. The LP and the CPGB had just done their duty and their best and delivered the working class to the capitalist class and slaughtered in their millions in another imperialist war. That’s a rather blunt and simplistic assertion but nonetheless the reality rather than the beloved “Socialist” period so revered by the “left”

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 8:00 pm

Well that’s a pretty extreme reading, isn’t it? Most would reckon the ‘post-war settlement’ was needed, and the UK’s entry into WW2 is a complicated thing — though I would miself argue that we should and could have stayed out of both world wars! [Our entry into the First was for no reason at all, and with Hitler being an Anglophile we could have let him unhindered slug it out with Stalin over their supposedly different but actually pretty similar take on socialism, and maybe both nasty empires would have fallen apart!]

Steve Roberts

13th January 2020 at 5:34 pm

Reality lite, can’t disagree with the basic premise there, as to why may be different. Either way it leaves the questions as to what would replace all those parties and their political outlooks and the status quo and why, what would be the vision for a progressive society beyond the stagnation and authoritarianism we have.

Jonnie Henly

13th January 2020 at 1:10 pm

“refuse to acknowledge that some of the most deprived communities in the UK are predominantly white.”

Where is the evidence of that?

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 2:08 pm

Ha ha ha ha! Excelled himself has the Hen here is being willfully blind to the blindingly obvious.
There is none more self-deluded than a Left apologist.

Jim Lawrie

13th January 2020 at 4:02 pm

Jonnie Boy this is not a social history remedial class.
Do your own reading.

David McAdam

13th January 2020 at 4:30 pm

I’m not sure what evidence you talk of whether it’s Labour’s refusal to acknowledge or the deprivation itself. The community I came from hosted four collieries, two steel foundries, a clay mine, two brick-works and a host of tied industries not to mention a thriving agriculture industry. Both Tories and especially Labour (that Party which dominated the region for decades) presided over and even facilitated the loss of all these industries reducing the community to hosting nothing but a large, windowless, Tesco Warehouse built at the rear of the last row of houses thus blocking out centuries old unobstructed views of the scenic hills and forestry beyond.

Jerry Owen

13th January 2020 at 5:48 pm

Little Jonnie
We don’t expect someone as dim as you living 5k miles away to have any knowledge of the Uk’s ethnic makeup.

Mark Houghton

13th January 2020 at 12:55 pm

As someone who despises socialism I sincerely hope that the labour party follow the example of the Democrats in the US when it comes to introspection.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 3:18 pm

You won’t be happy until you’ve crushed all the opposition, will you? Your travails will not cease until the market god sweeps away all before it! Crush the traitors!

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 12:05 pm

The Left will never relinquish their backlash ‘identity politics’ hate-mongering nonsense, and now ordinary people en mass know this. They know that Liebore is not merely lost to them, but the home of the idiot charges of mass racism, sexism, ‘homophobia’, etc, that deserve nothing less than being chucked back, complete with suitable expletives.
Now that bricks in the ‘red wall’ have fallen out, then the voters in all of the other ‘red wall’ constituencies will feel relieved of the duty to habitually vote Liebore.
None of the leadership candidates have any appeal, and the combination of their vacuousness in trying to paper over division, and more of the messages that lost the election will compound Liebore’s decline.
On top of all this is the implementation soon of the Electoral Boundaries Commission’s redrawing of constituency boundarires to reflect population changes, which will take away 20 ‘safe’ Liebore seats.
It looks like they will never form a government again, and with every successive election defeat the chances of a major party split grow.

Jim Lawrie

13th January 2020 at 4:05 pm

They learned nothing from their rapid demise in Scotland. That was caused by their arrogant “make them vote again and again till they get it right” towards the working class.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 10:03 am

Brexit will consign the already declining UK to oblivion thanks to the fundamental economic illiteracy of the average Brexiter.

Ed Turnbull

13th January 2020 at 11:09 am

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion? (And no, your hurt fee-fees don’t constitute evidence). There’s more validity in a comparison between GOT and 20th century geo-politics than between your comments and reality.

Oh, and by the way, your side lost. Accepting that will help you grow toward adulthood. You’re welcome.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 11:35 am

The whole country lost. Why should I agree with a policy I find irrational and abhorrent? Do you understand the meaning of democracy and free speech?

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 12:23 pm

The opposite, actually. The EU is a corrupt sinking ship, economically, politically, fiscally and culturally. We will thrive in proportion to our distance from it.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 3:22 pm

You would just love to see Europe destroyed, wouldn’t you? Look at the corruption in your own country and put your own house in order first. London is the money-laundering capital of the world! You have an unelected head of state and unelected upper chamber. Where then is YOUR democracy, Englishman! You haven’t had a decent ruler since Cromwell.

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 3:55 pm

Come again?! The EU’s accounts have not been signed off for many years, owing to the totally unaccountable ginormous waste of money through gross corruption, not merely incompetence.
Where is there any parallel in the UK?
There’s waste, obviously, and incompetence, obviously, here in the UK — there is is any and every government, but not often on the scale of the EU — but corruption is something else.
Obviously there will be money laundering in the finance capital of the world, but very little of it is of money nicked from us.
A non-elected head of state is a great innovation, not an anti-democratic move!
The whole point of having a symbolic head of state is to avoid a megalomaniac over-ruling democratic process!
The House of Lords functions as a check precisely because it is unelected. There would be no point in having the body that checks the democratically processed work of the Commons also itself elected: this would pitch two versions of the same body against each other.
If we didn’t have the Lords we would need a body of experts, but you wouldn’t want them to be able to make decisions based on their debate, as experts make poor judges of the overall picture. So we’d need a glorified jury service of citizens to watch the debates and then make the decisions.

Noggin The nog

13th January 2020 at 3:56 pm

ZENOBIA PALMYRA is an SJW Troll and should be ignored.

Jerry Owen

13th January 2020 at 5:50 pm

ZP
Ha ha ha ha … I knew you’d mention ‘Brexit’ god your’e so obsessed with it still you really need some quack help.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 7:01 pm

Not ‘obsessed’, just in a state of shock that anybody would *STILL* think it is a good idea! The UK should have stayed in and helped reform the damn thing.

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 10:16 pm

It’s unreformable.
That’s been apparent for decades.
Apart from endemic collosall corruption and gravy-trains, it is impossible for the north European countries to constantly bale out the Med and more recently joining countries, as has to be done under the Euro. All the Med countries are bankrupt, and the Euro will have to be abandoned, leading to the complete implosion of the EU.
No nation in the EU can afford its current welfare system, yet pointless mass immigration continues, placing ever more strain, and setting up a future of massive social dislocation, which nobody will have the resources to address.
The unwieldy regulations everywhere for everything add enormous unnecessary costs that underpin the sclerotic growth that is set to make Japan look like its booming in comparison.
The EU is a basket case disaster.

jan mozelewski

16th January 2020 at 7:44 pm

The EU is a steaming pile and it serves nobody and nothing but itself. It is built on bull. I will be ‘in the EU’ after the UK has left. We are in the property business and funnily enough, since the Brexit vote we saw no rush to exit to EU pastures, despite the posturing of more extreme remainers. The EU is a busted flush, rapidly running out of slices to cut off the loaf. Hence the problems on the streets of Paris and other French cities. The reason for this isn’t pensions, or fuel tax, per se. They are about people who are already cutting out any luxuries now cutting out essentials and still finding it isn’t enough to make ends meet.
The Brits have been very sensible in getting rid. My French neighbours, to a man, think the same and lament that such an escape is not open to them. Yet.

Ian Davies

13th January 2020 at 9:52 am

You would think with this level of panic from all quarters over Labour’s fate that they got 5% of the vote. Well, actually no. Despite having a front bench of raving lunatics and policies that would make Venezuela proud they managed to hook in a third of the voters. So I think the real calamity facing us is the fact that the electorate is so addled they are prepared to vote for these clowns in such vast numbers.

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 12:09 pm

Inertia. Now the ‘red wall’ has crumbled, it can fall down.
The illusion that ‘red wall’ seats are ‘safe’ Liebore, with no point trying to vote ’em out, and that nobody ’round ere’ possibly could vote Tawdry: all that’s now gone.

Christopher Tyson

13th January 2020 at 9:40 am

The Labour Party certainly does look like a fringe leftist group from the 1980s. When Corbyn lost the 2017 election, Labour were overjoyed that he did so well, many appeared to regard the result as some kind of victory. This time the result has been utterly decisive, and yet they still do not appear to grasp the reality. In any case for the Left, elections have not been of great significance, if you can win one ‘great’ , if not, the forces or history and justice are on your side, and the decisive revolt, uprising or revolution will be extra-parliamentary. It has often been said that the left won the culture war but the right won the economic war, the truth of this is apparent around us. In the UK identity politics has become the orthodoxy during a period of Conservative government. As I imagine it, Marx went up to Manchester to see his pal Engels, he was amazed by the organised working class, they were, numerous, disciplined skilled and had impressive force and solidarity, Marx thought to himself, ‘imagine what these people could do if they put their minds to it’, Marx perhaps a little romantically had discovered the material force that would put his ideas in to action. The dissolution of the British working class since during the 1980s has been much commented on. Political defeat, the fall of Trade Unionism, the embrace or acceptance of Thatcherite individualism (if you can’t beat them join them). Today’s Left have little regard for electoral politics, but these students and lecturers, and media types are incapable of bringing about the changes that they want, lacking courage, capability or numbers and having too much of a vested interest in the status quo. The left have looked to minority identity groups to do their dirty work, but today’s feminist and black radicals simply mirror the useless intellectualism of the established left, and are as alienated from their supposed communities as the middle class left are alienated from their former constituencies. White working class votes from the provinces may well see Labour as the party of southerners and ethnic minorities, they will not say so publicly of course, they will be charged with racism, indeed some cosmopolitans re inclined to view them as racist anyway; but in the privacy of the voting booth, they have made their point, and still the Labour Party cannot see it.

Salvatore Arancio

13th January 2020 at 9:14 am

As much as you wish something to be real it does not make it real … it is so sad intelligent people such as you Rakib, cannot understand that …

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 12:12 pm

Wha hae! One of the deluded Left mob is on here posting.
For classic dumb self-fullfilling prophecy, look no further than the Left’s ‘identity politics’ / ‘PC’.

Steve Roberts

13th January 2020 at 9:08 am

For those of us who understand the historical role the LP has played since its inception – in effectively maintaining the status quo and certainly never initiating or demanding a radical transformation of society – its increasing demise is to be celebrated.
However it has been here before , as has the CUP ,so to completely write it off , in electoral terms as a possible govt is a little too early, that is neither pessimistic or unrealistic despite all the points made in the article, there are still existential matters e.g. economically and internationally, and others, that can, in the absence of any alternative, still mean it has the possibility to adapt and become more relevant, unfortunately.
That is a very long discussion, a worthy one, but one for later discussion.
This article does make a fundamental mistake in failing to understand that the one factor , above all others,that resulted in the LP having such an electoral disaster was Brexit, there is no other explanation why there is such a large difference between the 2017 GE and 2019, all the other factors and LP policies and ideas were present in 2017 too as was the promise to honour the referendum result. a failure to accept this reason can lead to many other misconceptions being thrown into the melting pot.
But the tone of the article, in my view, is like so many elsewhere by so many commentators and publications it is a plea for the LP to become more relevant “A responsible party of the left would be able to develop a policy agenda that could command high levels of support across all of these constituencies”
It is now a focus of all factions within the LP, and there are a lot of them, and those who regard themselves of the “left” but outside it, it is ironic that at one of its weakest times and lack of relevance and devoid of any visionary radical ideas for society that the left is desperate for the LP to “change”
This is frankly parasitical, its demise ought to be celebrated and encouraged, but not only the organisational form of the LP but more importantly its political outlook and ideology, all that it has stood for.
That would mean an alternative has to be developed, it also means that the ideas for a radically transformative, progressive and democratic society will have to be fought for among citizens, many peoples ideas and perceptions would have to be seriously challenged, as Spiked does for example.
It is obvious that initially that may mean that the politics and society proposed would be quite the opposite of “relevant” in terms of being in tune with the dominant ideas among citizens, it will mean the old is dead and dying and something anew will need to be created.
It is this task that awaits, if indeed a true space opens up in politics, it has not yet despite the turmoil of the last 4 years.
So two discussions, will the LP continue its downward trajectory leaving effectively little serious electoral opposition and one partyism of the CUP, and if this occurs what will fill the void and why.
Unfortunately many critical commentators are aware of this i am sure but would prefer to see a revitalised “relevant” LP, that is shameful, a denial of historical betrayal and a complete lack of any progressive future for a society facing the stagnation of late stage capitalism and all that goes with it, that would be a political disaster.

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 8:14 pm

Aren’t the long-term trends in the collapse of Liebore (irrelevant ‘PC’ posturing and policy intended to attack the masses — notably mass immigration — and the attendant ‘we hate you all and we don’t care’, plus the continued history of fiscal incontinence and economic illiteracy, the dire level of candidate competence and their increasing extremism through Momentum-controlled local Party organisation) at least partly behind the worse performance in 2019 than in 2017, albeit Brexit played a part in both? Anti-Brexit is a crystallisation of the Party’s overall attitude against the masses as much as Brexit policy is an issue in itself.
The 2017 election revealed that Conservative candidates actually could win in hitherto rock-solid Labour seats, with the considerable closing of the gap between percentages of the poll. This acted as the necessary springboard for the many bricks falling out of the ‘red wall’, that it turn may well be the platform for a demolition of the ‘red wall’ come the next general election.

Lloyd Reid

13th January 2020 at 9:00 am

A party run by bigoted middle class people who despise the very people it was set up to support and wonder why they get a kicking.

NEIL DATSON

13th January 2020 at 8:01 am

My impression is that Blair imposed ‘discipline’ on Labour and managed to establish central control, especially over parliamentary candidates. That was then copied by the Tories under Cameron. But all politics is local, and to rebuild any political party has to give its constituency parties freedom, and accept that it is bound to become a national coalition, parts of which are bound to be awkward and ill-disciplined. Of course it doesn’t help Labour that socialist economics has failed every time it has been tried, and has almost invariably lead to social repression.

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jan mozelewski

13th January 2020 at 4:30 pm

I gather you are in politics, then.

a watson

13th January 2020 at 6:59 pm

Especially in the London LP.

Mark Williams

13th January 2020 at 5:32 am

At this stage, the Left is quickly becoming irrelevant. Let’s hope the voters realise in NZ and the US this year.

Danny Rees

13th January 2020 at 2:29 am

Any quotes of Labour types slating white working class people?

Philip Humphrey

13th January 2020 at 7:44 am

Try Thornberry’s white van man tweet for starters.

Ven Oods

13th January 2020 at 10:12 am

Her defence of it on Marr’s show yesterday (only saw a clip) was squirmingly unconvincing. She has had quite a few years to concoct some weasel-words, and still failed.
Apparently, it was everyone else’s fault, since she was instructed at the time not to explain or expand on why she did it. So, that’s alright, then.

Jerry Owen

13th January 2020 at 11:35 am

Danny Rees
‘ People didn’t know what they were voting for’… Stated on a virtual daily basis… Does that help ?

Jonnie Henly

13th January 2020 at 1:10 pm

Of course not, it’s a straw man, so why would there be?

Anakei Ess

16th January 2020 at 4:45 am

Just read the below the line comments in the Guardian – especially on anything to do with Brexit. It’s a real eye-opener!

Michael Lynch

13th January 2020 at 12:17 am

Not only must they ditch identity politics outright, they must be seen to atone for how they have used it against the white working class over the last two decades.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 1:10 am

By ‘atone’ do you mean public execution or tarring and feathering?

Michael Lynch

13th January 2020 at 2:34 am

Typical hysterical reply.

Ven Oods

13th January 2020 at 9:16 am

If Labour’s plan is to wait until the mass of the electorate catch up on the wokeness, perhaps they are doomed.

david rawson

13th January 2020 at 9:27 am

In Thornderry’s case, yes !

anna livia fleischschleifer

14th January 2020 at 12:12 am

“By ‘atone’ do you mean public execution or tarring and feathering?”

No. By the willingness to recognise and remedy their past disastrous policies, such as soliciting mass-immigration from the third world (just to name one).

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 10:04 am

Let all your anger out, Michael. Don’t hold it in!

Jerry Owen

13th January 2020 at 11:37 am

I see no anger in his comment.. just hysteria in yours.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 11:39 am

The white working class deserve their poverty because they uphold the present corrupt system of institutionally enforced inequality and are not politically engaged. Basically, they need to take the blindfolds off and get on their bikes!

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 1:08 pm

Priceless malicious bilge.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 3:20 pm

Steve Moxon — the white working classes in this country have tremendous power, if only they realised it. Instead of supporting the unjust status quo of monarchy, fee-paying schools and political centralisation, they must develop a political consciousness and assert their power – through passive resistance, subversive acts, etc.

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 5:28 pm

Xenophobia doesn’t even realise that nobody outside Left extremist circles is at all concerned about a symbolic head of state (a constructive innovation) or people who spend money on paying for something that is free, thereby freeing up resources for the rest of us!
As for centralisation: just what do you think has been happening of late? Tthe working classes have for the third time voted against the appalling over-centralisation of being in the EU, you dork!
Liebore councils long ago made most people quite glad that within-UK government is centralised!

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 7:02 pm

Steve Moxon — the UK is the most centralised state in western Europe if you look at the tax raising and varying powers of local government (about 1 percent of tax raised at local level in UK, compared to 6 percent in France and 11 percent in USA).

steve moxon

13th January 2020 at 7:50 pm

Don’t you think that might have a strong bearing on the issue then?!
No taxation without representation necessarily also has to be the other way around, otherwise it impacts on the former.

jan mozelewski

16th January 2020 at 7:49 pm

Surely that is precisely what the WWC of places like Stoke have done? Instead of returning an endless procession of clueless muppets wearing red rosettes (both to the council and to Westminster) which, whether in Government or not, effected no change for the better whatsoever for the last 70 years…..they have voted elsewhere. And Brexit did that. Which proves that Brexit has already been a force for good !

jan mozelewski

16th January 2020 at 7:51 pm

Oh and Zen….your talk of Tax in France is simplistic to the point of being untrue.

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