A new era

The spiked team discuss the fallout from the election.

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Can the Conservative Party become the party of the working class? Has Labour learned anything from its historic defeat? What next for Brexit? Tom Slater, Ella Whelan and Fraser Myers discuss, on this week’s spiked podcast.

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S P Johnson

31st December 2019 at 8:59 pm

Disraeli bribed the working man who could afford £10.00 a year rent in 1867 with the vote but only because he was afraid they might start marching on Hyde Park. Beware any Tory bribes, they have always been the enemy of the working class and they always will be.

xitak xitak

21st December 2019 at 5:10 pm

1940, 1979,2016,2019. Even 1997 was the right choice at the time. This country is once again

Jim Lawrie

21st December 2019 at 5:07 pm

Labour’s pools winner, wallet waving flurry was in keeping with their view of us as reactive, impulsive, limited, easily led proles. More insult to our intelligence. Plus they hadn’t actually won the pools. Nor even filled out a coupon.

a watson

22nd December 2019 at 9:01 am

The prejudice against the white working class in London by the Labour Party is palpable. So much so that the councils have done their best over the past decade to exclude working class males from having any political representation locally – it might obstruct their lucrative property developments.

Dominic Straiton

21st December 2019 at 3:15 pm

The British people have an innate ability to sniff out bullshit and back the right horse. 1940, 1979,2016,2019. Even 1997 was the right choice at the time. This country is once again on course for great times. International trade and finding new markets has never been easier.

Noel Mac

25th December 2019 at 12:33 pm

Blair was never the right choice. Never ever.

Jim Lawrie

21st December 2019 at 2:13 pm

The social classifications are from a bygone era and fail to take into account 2 developments regarding education. The devaluing of educational qualifications, and the number of non-qualified people who, with access to the internet, have taken the old working class roue of the autodidact.

In Negative

21st December 2019 at 2:06 pm

“but when Brexit arrived, I saw that many Tories were prepared to take on, & fight the big money and institutions … and had a real determination to preserve inconvenient, inefficient One Person – One Vote Citizen Democracy – despite the enormous institutional power trying to snuff it out.”

It might just as well be argued that the Leave side of the Tory party were fighting for global capitalism against the EU-centric capitalism of the status quo. The EU is protectionist, the libertarian right are anti-protectionist and believe in untrameled competitive markets. Of course they wanted to leave.

There’s no doubt in my mind that the Left were on the wrong side and sold the future to the right, but let’s not kid ourselves that Tories just love democracy and popular sovereignty. I’m sure a great many traditional Tories do, but I don’t think that this is what this was about at all.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

21st December 2019 at 11:27 am

This Brexitish desire to ‘crush all opposition’ is redolent of fascism.

Dominic Straiton

21st December 2019 at 3:21 pm

Britain didnt fall for the two far left ugly sisters of communism and Nazism in the 20th century because the working people wouldnt have it. You have much to learn from the steadfast spirit of freedom.

Noel Mac

25th December 2019 at 12:35 pm

Get over yourself.

S P Johnson

31st December 2019 at 9:01 pm

Very true.

Tim Wheeler

21st December 2019 at 11:11 am

Hi Team – excellent Analysis IMO. As an ex Labour voter (admittedly lower middle class & Southern) I see Labour currently as made up of 2 incompatible factions. Impossibly woke jargon-speaking identitarians vs patronising internationalist managerial Blair-ites. They loathe each other and are in a perpetual war. The Only thing they share is their common desire to disempower citizen democracy, and rule without accountability to their voters. Both these Labour wings are deeply unattractive to me. My view of the Tories has always been that they were far too uncaring of the poorer & weaker. I’ve hated them for that, but when Brexit arrived, I saw that many Tories were prepared to take on, & fight the big money and institutions (funding and supporting the Tories) – and had a real determination to preserve inconvenient, inefficient ‘One Person – One Vote’ Citizen Democracy – (despite the enormous institutional power trying to snuff it out.) I contrast this attitude with the uniform suppression and silencing of any Brexit views within the Labour party for the last 3 years.

In Negative

21st December 2019 at 2:13 pm

My reply is awaiting moderation. I’ll try again with a summary:

Brexit was not about democracy for the TP. It was a struggle between an EU-centric capitalism vs. a libertarian capitalism. Libertarians like open, global markets; the EU likes protected European markets. The TP should not be understood for this reason as self-sacrificing champions of the little people and their democratic rights. Some traditional tories will have gone with that, but they’re a dying breed.

The Left, on the other hand, certainly did sell out democracy. Bunch of knobbers.

In Negative

21st December 2019 at 10:10 am

Kinda skeptical personally that just because the Tories have some working class voters that they’re suddenly the party of the working class. I don’t expect the Tories will do much to promote working class organisation or political/social engagement, say, or do anything about the slow motion destruction of the NHS through debt, management culture and stealthy privatisation. There will probably be some shiny tokenistic policies, but mostly, as ever, the Tories will serve the interests of the wealth classes.

Whatever you say about Corbyn, I do reckon he was thinking seriously about those kinds of things. Ways to better involve the working classes in their own lives.

The tragedy of Brexit is that the Left just gave the future wholesale to the right. The British public voted for a revolution and it is right-wing libertarianism that now owns that revolution. I don’t expect this to play out particularly well for ordinary folks at all. I’d be happy to be proved wrong.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

21st December 2019 at 11:28 am

They won a few seats in the North and suddenly they’re the ‘party of the working classes’. Utter bilge. The petit bourgeois will always vote for their own self-interest.

Jim Chilton

21st December 2019 at 8:05 pm

Does anyone vote without self-interested motives?

Noel Mac

25th December 2019 at 12:39 pm

You had better go have a look at the election results again before your “they won a few seats in the north “ rubbish. Labour , obviously your type of party we’re humiliated , they lost 60 seats, they are an irrelevance and will be for a generation to come if they carry on with their British hating ideology. Deluded comments get you nothing but laughed at.

Jonathan Yonge

20th December 2019 at 10:13 pm

“Big bombastic buffoon”
Right…..
I think this is the reason I do not donate to Spiked with a standing order.

You think labour took the voters for granted ? make sure you don’t do the same to your subscribers.

I tune in to hear/read informed comment and not clickbait

Ven Oods

21st December 2019 at 10:07 am

Blimey; if you’d rather exist in an echo-chamber where only things you like are written, pop on over the Guardian. You might not like the politics, but you’d love the echoes.

James Knight

20th December 2019 at 5:52 pm

They tried to build a party around what David Goodhart called the “Anywheres”. The anywheres were always a minority. Once it became clear Corbyn’s party had become infected with class hatred every bit as ugly as anti-semitism, his fate was sealed. It has ended up on the Road to Nowhere.

Tim Wheeler

21st December 2019 at 11:50 am

Massive fan of David Goodhart. I think he’s spot-on.

John Reic

20th December 2019 at 5:15 pm

Damon Albun of Blur, has said it silly to say labours not the party of the working class , as he supported labour

Ven Oods

21st December 2019 at 10:10 am

If true, then Damon thinks all those Labour cross-overs were wrong and he’s right. Nice lad otherwise.

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