A woke Wallis Simpson

Why is Meghan ditching her duchess role? Because she wants to be the global Queen of Woke.

Brendan O'Neill

Brendan O'Neill
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So Harry and Meghan are stepping back. They’re resigning from The Firm. They’re ducking out of the Sovereign Grant and royal duties and going it alone. They’re going to split their time between the UK and North America – think of all the CO2! – and become more ‘independent’.

Why? Come on, we all know why. Forget the tripe about them fleeing the racism of the UK tabloids and the nonsense about the first DOC (duchess of colour) not being made to feel welcome in the stiff, white House of Windsor. No, H&M, the most right-on royals in history, are breaking off so that they can foist even more woke bollocks on the plebs without having to worry about receiving a tutting phone-call from Her Maj’s press secretary reminding them that they’re royalty and not virtue-signalling Hollywood celebs.

Megxit, as this royal bombshell is wittily being called, is a striking sign of the times. What Harry and Meghan are doing is virtually unprecedented in the history of the royals. They are jacking in their jobs (I say jobs) as senior royals and pursuing a more ‘financially independent’ path that will allow them to earn, travel and – this is important – jabber on about their pet concerns and causes as much as they like.

Even leaving aside the fact that they won’t actually be financially independent – they’ll still get wads of cash from the Duchy of Cornwall and will still stay in that Frogmore Cottage us British taxpayers just splashed 2.4million quid on – still their move is a startling and concerning one.

What it fundamentally reveals is the incompatibility of the modern culture of narcissism with the values of duty, loyalty and self-negation traditionally associated with royal life. To someone like Meghan, who sprang from celebville, who sees herself as the embodiment of right-on goodness, and who loves nothing more than advertising her eco-virtue and performing her PC credentials, life in the British monarchy was never going to be a good fit.

Yes, the woke agenda Meghan expresses so well shares much in common with the old-world elitism of the monarchical system. Both obsess over inherited characteristics (the woke bang on about race and gender, the monarchy is all about bloodline). Both have a penchant for looking down their noses at the little people. And both have an instinctive loathing for modernity, from Charles’ longstanding conservationism to H&M’s humanity-bashing eco-hysteria.

But there’s one big, irreconcilable difference: where the woke value the self over everything else, senior royals are meant, ostensibly at least, to be selfless, to submerge the self into the crown. It looks like this is a deal-breaker for the younger, more celebrity-oriented royals, especially newcomer Meghan but also Harry, too. Their unprecedented ‘stepping back’, and the fury this has allegedly caused in the Palace, suggests the cult of the self that Meghan and other showily virtuous celebs embody and promote, does not work within an institution whose ideal is the Queen: opinion-free, emotions hidden, dutiful, unquestioning and in it for the long haul.

Duty is anathema to a new generation whose chief goal is often self-realisation. Any notion of collapsing the self into something bigger than oneself, something more historic or something collective, is alien to many in the selfie-taking, values-performing generation. Indeed, the most striking thing about Harry and Meghan’s bombshell is the way they talk about the royal family as if it is little more than a stepping stone to their self-realisation.

To them, the monarchy seems to be little more than a workspace, a place where they learned some skills which they will now take into their new role as global promoters of wokeness and of themselves. They talk about having ‘internal discussions’ and deciding to ‘make a transition’ in order to ‘carve out a progressive new role within this institution’. They sound more like Silicon Valley millennials making the case for a job promotion than members of a family that was allegedly chosen by God to rule the nation.

Even more startling is the way they talk about the queen. They say they will ‘continue to collaborate with Her Majesty The Queen’. Collaborate with? They sound more like Kendall Jenner talking about her adverts with Pepsi than individuals who are meant to devote themselves for life to royal duty and the preservation of the crown. I’m about as republican as it gets (abolish the monarchy is my view), but even I recognise that treating the queen as a kind of big business one temporarily ‘collaborates with’ is out of order. Meghan comes off like a woke Wallis Simpson, taking away a senior royal into a new life of PC globetrotting.

Of course, the Meghan-loving liberal set are responding to Megxit by chastising the British tabloids and, by extension, the riff-raff who read them. You racist shits drove this wonderful woman away – that’s the undertone, and sometimes the overtone, of what they’re saying. It captures how snooty the woke brigade is, where they are essentially reprimanding the masses for daring to criticise their royal superiors. Overlooking, of course, that there was a lot to criticise about H&M, from their moaning about their privileged lives to their hypocritical jetting around the world to make platitudinous lectures about climate change.

Harry and Meghan haven’t been driven out by racism or prejudice or hatred. Rather, they’re ducking out of their own accord so that they can go even more global, more woke, more famously, internationally, irritatingly PC. They’re going to become even more insufferable. And here’s the thing: they will trade on their still existing royal titles to do so. So Meghan spent a couple of years in the royal family and now is pretty much leaving it while holding on to the duchess / princess thing in order to give her naff feminism and eco-posturing and celeb shoulder-rubbing more oomph? I’ll say it again: abolish the monarchy.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Jen Fran

20th January 2020 at 1:49 pm

meghan the actress wanted fame and fortune, now that she’s got all the attention she could ever dream of… and her ‘true’ nature revealed… more than she bargained for… its time to ‘hide’ now… too late… you’re fake

Fiona Allen

16th January 2020 at 12:26 pm

Excellent article, however, the comparison between Simpson and Markle doesn’t hold water. Not even the Duchess of Windsor in all her shame- and ruthlessness, who was, by the way, 41 as a bride and thus only 5 years older than Markle, went to the length of this former Z-list actress.
They were respectively are, both American and both tarts, but that’s where it begins and ends. The Duchess of Windsor, however, had been no CHEAP tart. She had impeccable taste, knew her etiquette, never intended to harm the monarchy as an institution (after all, she wanted to be part of it) and came from a RESPECTABLE American family.
I’d never thought I’d ever say anything nice about that woman.
Her Majesty the Queen is, next to Pope Benedict XVI, first among the living persons I venerate most. But, sadly, in a way, she has brought it upon herself. I was one of the very few bloggers who had looked through this piece of work… excuse me… through this new addition to the Royal Family from the start. One can only speculate why HM allowed this fateful union in the first place. https://evilstylequeen.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-little-mole-and-prince-fairy-tale.html
(I may be wrong, but at least I tried.)
I’d never thought, too, that I’d ever believe in a conspiracy theory, but I think that this woman was set up to discredit the Royal Family. She didn’t intend, right from the start, to play by the rules. And I believe that her ever so slightly not-being-white was part of the agenda. She would never have been, considering her past, allowed to marry the prince had she been 100% “white”. The accusation of “racism” is a powerful lever. Find a woman who is not (quite) white, who is ruthless and (just) attactive enough to ensnare a dim prince, and lo and behold – you’ve got Ms Markle.

Lancelot Gobbo

14th January 2020 at 6:58 pm

I quite agree about La Markle’s narcissism, and I’d point out that Harry might be especially susceptible to her charms given his mother’s borderline personality. Deliberately on her part, and unwittingly on his, they will do great damage to the monarchy, perhaps completing his mother’s work. Cluster B at play, I suppose.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 8:12 pm

As one wag recently commented – a prince and a showgirl, what could possibly go wrong?

W. Hash

14th January 2020 at 10:43 am

I have the feeling it is Meghan manipulating Harry as I think she is quite narcissistic. And she knows Harry has a problem with British press re: his mother. She may be exploiting that. I also think their marriage will therefore be in shambles in the not too far future. We had a Dutch prince, second in throne, that also left the royal family. But for different reasons. And fully earning his own money as a highly intelligent prince. It should not be a problem in itself.

Melissa B

19th January 2020 at 2:25 am

You’re absolutely right. Harry very obviously has a vulnerable personality. It’s always been clearly evident that he blamed the paparazzi for his mother’s mistreatment in life and her untimely death so it’s a very easy tactic for Meghan to use the media to her advantage “Harry, save me! I know you couldn’t help your mom but you can finally make it right for me”. Narcissists are incredibly skilled at knowing what vulnerabilities their partners have and playing it out fully to their advantage. They are always 10 steps ahead. Look at the ease with which Trump became president. He’s the most famous narcissist in the world. To date, he has never paid for his misdeeds and neither will Meghan. She has won a large following of people, partially by utilizing the whole ‘I’m a targeted woman of colour’ nonsense. It’s that argument that unfortunately forced the Queen to allow Harry and Meghan their so called freedom, living where they so desire and cashing in on the brand ‘Sussex Royal’ which will probably rake in billions, none of which will make it back to the royal family even though it utilizes the family’s position and prestige. Can you imagine if the Queen had told them they weren’t permitted to use ‘royal’ in any promotional products or work? The mass followings would call her a racist old white lady. Meghan knew this and is laughing all the way to the bank. Harry will remain as her spouse as long as ‘their brand’ has more prestige with him involved. Should her devious plan fall flat or public interest wane, then she will toss him as quickly as she did her ex. Meghan will never stop until she is one of the most powerful women in the world. I’m always surprised when people are shocked to hear anyone calling Meghan a narcissist when all you have to do is look at how she was brought up, the challenging personality types in her family and perhaps her upbringing as someone who is biracial as well. Narcissists always have childhoods heaped in problems and they spend the rest of their adult lives overcompensating for the pain they endured as children. They carry that hurt in their ‘core’ every day and use money, fame, etc. to fill the irreparable void.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 8:44 am

The current situation should remind us all of the remarkable differences between generations. Winston Churchill was desperate to move the Royal family to Canada when hostilities commenced in WW2. The King refused and said that he wanted to stay with his people. In fact the Queen Mum said she was relieved when Buckingham Palace took a direct hit during the Blitz as she could then look the Eastenders in face thereafter. Princess Elizabeth herself served in the military as a mechanic and truck driver. The King, in fact, wanted to be part of the advanced landing parties on D-Day, fortunately he was talked out of it. The Royal family’s sense of duty inspired the British people to see the crisis through even though at the beginning of hostilities it was touch and go for Britain. Running away to safety was not an option for them.
Harry and Meghan find Royal duties tedious and boring. It’s not for them and they want to make lots of money instead. The Press have given them a hard time and some gutter types have written some nasty things about them. They would, it seems, prefer deference rather than criticism. The only option available to them is to escape to Canada.
Is it no small wonder that older people view the Millennials as mere snowflakes.

jan mozelewski

14th January 2020 at 12:18 pm

Excellent comparison. Not surprisingly, it hasn’t been made …to my knowledge….by the woke MSM.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 1:58 pm

Cheers Jan. The reason they won’t is that it’s the plain truth and the woke don’t do truth.

T Zazoo

13th January 2020 at 9:49 pm

Get Megxit done !

jan mozelewski

14th January 2020 at 12:15 pm

Guffaw. Brilliant! I suspect most of us would vote for that by a landslide too!

Salvatore Arancio

13th January 2020 at 9:08 am

All this bile is rather sad …

Mary Shuey

12th January 2020 at 6:13 pm

So whose money they living on.? Whose going to work?

Barbara Vandewalle

13th January 2020 at 9:29 pm

If they no longer are doing the work of their positions then they should receive any money from the royal piggy bank.
WOKE what does this mean? It always sounds like someone has a very poor vocabulary.

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Andrew Viles

12th January 2020 at 1:52 pm

Does anyone remember what Germaine Greer said just before the marriage.

See it here: http://www.thecut.com/2018/04/germaine-greer-meghan-markle-will-bolt-from-prince-harry.html

W. Hash

14th January 2020 at 10:50 am

Oh wow, yes, I think their marriage won’t last and I suspect Meghan is using Harry. She doesnt feel good to me at all. Gut feeling.

jan mozelewski

12th January 2020 at 10:18 am

I’ve had two comments on hold for two days. Yet the thread is riddled with spam. Sort it or I will no longer contribute.

Jerry Owen

13th January 2020 at 11:18 am

I can beat that .. three comments for three days.
Problem is I find little enthusiasm for writing anything longish knowing it may be under mod !

jan mozelewski

13th January 2020 at 6:01 pm

Perhaps we could test out the..erm..system. lol

Anjela Kewell

11th January 2020 at 11:33 pm

Has no one thought of the consequences of this decision by Harry and Meghan. If they get everything they want from a scared and bullied Grandmother, not just Charles but also Wills and Kate will have the most difficult time in keeping the Monarchy viable.

Should the titles be retained it goes without saying that the American will exploit her knowledge of the Royals in branding, tv shows etc. Thereby destroying any semblance of dignity or majesty in the House of Windsor.

The very first action should be the stripping of their titles in support of the hard work ahead of Charles and then Kate and Wills to restore respect and dignity to the family.

Secondly the rogue couple should be barred from becoming patrons of any British charities that could subsequently be used to harm the future of the Royals. It sounds harsh, but if the Queen wishes to maintain a future based on a contract with her people and subsequent monarchs she needs to be sure that this woman does not have the opportunity to turn the Monarchy into a USA sitcom, thereby causing the downfall of the House of Windsor. I would also suggest they do not hold a home in UK but live their lives in America if they believe in the environment, but keep an open door for Harry or his son to return should plans go awry.

jan mozelewski

12th January 2020 at 10:14 am

Very true. I think the Queen is missing the strong support of the Duke of E. He is the head of the family in the truest domestic sense. His power has faded considerably, as it does with extreme age. I doubt Andrew would have dared do his car-crash interview and I doubt that this young upstart would have dared defy the Queen with him around.
The Queen’s own lack of strength is being exposed now…again she is old herself. But the one who really has to put his foot down….and be SEEN to do so…is Charles. If he doesn’t, or won’t exert strong leadership then I’m afraid he will be seen as a weak man who will not be a safe pair of hands. It could be the making of him of course. But as it stands inaction and particularly giving into blackmail and threats (because make no mistake the announcement by the Harkles is thinly veiled blackmail) will confirm what the public have suspected all along: that Charles is weak and lacks the quality of Kingship.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 12:30 pm

Ironically, I actually think the Queen will play this just right. She is doing what she does best in a crisis; remain calm and act graciously. This is a long game despite the Queen saying she wants it all sorted out pronto. She knows that without the protection of the family Harry and Meghan will get a much rougher ride in the long run. All their celeb mates will prove themselves as fair weather friends in the end once the novelty factor wears off and they’ll be out in the cold with nowhere to go. Notice how their more high profile mates are already distancing themselves by with overt denials of having given them any advice. I’ve no doubt that Meghan is the schemer here and is playing the petulant prince for all he’s worth and once she realizes there’s no more to be had out of him she’ll drop him like yesterday’s thing. He’ll be back with his tail between his legs eventually. Whilst it all plays out, the Queen will continue to act with dignity and, as always, come out on top. She always does.

Lynn Buck

11th January 2020 at 5:41 pm

I’m an out and out Royalist, I think the way they have treated her Majesty is disgusting. Even the most ardent republicans admire her for her sense of duty and respect her endless work in further our country’s place in the world. I think we all owe her Majesty a great deal of respect for keeping the promise that she made back in 1953, she’s never stopped working for the good of the country and could be a good role model for youngters nowadays. I didn’t think this marriage would work out but neither did I think it would happen this soon. I believe at some point Harry may decide he’s wrong but hope that it isn’t too late for him by then.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 1:13 am

I’m a republican and I emphatically do not respect Elizabeth Windsor or any of her parasite family, except for the fact that they are human beings.

Tlm Hlm

11th January 2020 at 4:56 pm

She is not “woke”, this is classic facade management by a mid-range narcissist.

Myra Byanka

12th January 2020 at 9:40 pm

UK progressives are pikers. Our “woke” here in the U.S. are full-time gender-bender Olympians, ferreting out heretofore unknown phobes and permutations of racism of which one can be guilty. Our progressives would insist that Meghan is not a black woman and Harry is not a man, but whatever, he’s got super-size white male privilege disease. The happy couple are, no doubt, experiencing anxiety and discomfort with their miserable lives because they are really closet gender dysphorics. Since I’m not sure where the royal thing fits in (we don’t have much of that here, except in Hollywood), so let’s say racist covers all the bases. Love it you are fixated on Megxit, and we’re in the fight of our lives to keep millionaire commies out of the White House.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 1:57 pm

Exactly like Trudeau, the princess of woke, who continues to manage his own facade despite obvious inconsistencies. I don’t know why anyone can’t see through this tosser and, as far as I’m concerned, he’s welcome to look after these two grifters if he wants.

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 3:33 pm

You’d think an ardent republican would celebrate all the chaos in the Royal family, instead of resorting to the pearl clutching we see here.

Salvatore Arancio

13th January 2020 at 9:01 am

Well said!!
It seems Brendam is more interested in ranting against the wokes, snow flakes etc!!

jan mozelewski

13th January 2020 at 6:00 pm

That is a worthy cause.

Tim Masters

11th January 2020 at 10:09 am

I had no idea that this woman was ‘of colour’ until the media starting babbling on about it. Personally, I don’t care what a person’s skin colour is…what’s important to me is their character and I don’t like her’s. She is typical of Hollywood’s narcissist set; she consumes the world’s resources in vast quantities while lecturing everyone else on how to lead a ‘sustainable’ lifestyle. I pity the Canadians having to endure these two as they have enough to contend with in that buffoon Trudeau.

Colette Reilly

11th January 2020 at 9:41 am

Good luck to them! Genuinely. They said they want to carve out a new royal role and want financial independence, so of course there were be bumps along the way as there is with change.

This could well be the making of the future Royal form, too often the argument is either pro Royal or anti…yet what if there could be another way?

What if they kept some of the historical traditions while evolving to meet the needs and expectations of new generations?

Their decision isn’t a sign of the ‘selfie’ times, nor is it an inductor that they aren’t committed to something greater than themselves.

A monarchy makes no sense to me personally so I’m very interested to see someone pushing for change from the inside. I think his mammy would be proud.

Tim Masters

11th January 2020 at 9:59 am

‘His mammy’ clearly isn’t proud. Do you have the faintest idea who he is, who his ‘mammy’ is and what this is about ?

jan mozelewski

11th January 2020 at 10:59 am

Considering ‘a monarchy makes no sense to me personally’ you seem to have fully fledged opinions about it.
Let me put this into perspective for you. My great grandfather went to WWI and he served in the Royal Artillery. (Note the word.) He saluted the King on parade. My great uncle served in the Royal navy on several ships all called ‘HMS’ and launched by members of the Royal family. My father served in WW2 in the Royal Corps of Signals. King George VI visited then in the desert with Churchill. The troops lined the road.
My husband was an officer in both the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force. He has a commissioning scroll on the wall signed by the Queen which sets out his duty and his contract with the county and sovereign. It is deep stuff and quite a long document. It means something to him because it is about duty and service and loyalty and responsibility and all those things that ‘progressives’ don’t seem to value very much. It is part of who he is. Just as the White House and the Bill of Rights etc etc is part of who Americans are. (Maybe a Brit wannabe can marry a President and go about ‘modernising’ those things because they don’t value and understand them? Fun eh?)
Harry himself is supposed to represent other servicemen who served alongside him….in the name of the crown….though I gather he prefers to attend Hollywood premieres with his missus nowadays.
I am sick to death of things that have been worked at and died for being trashed in order to suit the whims of the ‘new generation’. It is not on. As so starkly seen with this chancer of Harry’s…most of them don’t want a thing once they have it and leave a trail of destruction in their spoilt wake. The don’t want to live with the consequences they leave the mess to someone else.
The monarchy changes over time….but it has always been a gradual thing. That is why it has survived. The very idea that the British head of state and constitution should change on the whim of a flighty piece who breezes in and probably wants to flog ‘SussexRoyal’ mascara is disgusting and totally disrespectful to the country the Queen represents.

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Gerry Mohan

10th January 2020 at 6:09 pm

I was just wondering, as the UK has taken to droning its own citizens it doesn’t like and seems to have dumped habeas corpus, would it be possible to have the whole of the royal family droned? Or would that be taking it too far?
Nah, hang on a minute, it might need to go to a referendum and just look at the chaos the last one resulted in…

krazz net

10th January 2020 at 5:14 pm

There is no doubt that Harry is very much in love. Unfortunately, once he and Meghan get their “crown” settlement, she will divorce him. He will get to keep the kid(s) and in return she remains HRH, with a huge financial settlement (nobody wants a Diana repeat). Now imagine Meghan, a divorced royal, HRH, financially independent and with no restraints on what she can do or say.

jan mozelewski

10th January 2020 at 5:59 pm

nope…..she won’t keep the HRH if she divorces Harry.

Bella Donna

10th January 2020 at 12:11 pm

We don’t need to abolish our Monarchy because if Harry’s stupidity in choosing a wife. Thats akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. However I disagree with the Queen that these two troughers should keep their titles. They don’t deserve them! They want to forge their own way – very commendable I agree they should but not to use their Royal priveleges to do so. Just revert to Mr and Mrs!

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

11th January 2020 at 12:37 am

Let’s put Hazza and Megs in jail!

david rawson

10th January 2020 at 10:22 am

A nice rant from Brendan, but really, who gives a toss ?

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 9:34 pm

Millions of proles!

Fiona Allen

16th January 2020 at 11:55 am

Then why did you read and commented on it?

John Stern

10th January 2020 at 10:14 am

All they need to do is go and visit the Ayatollah and then she truly will be the new Wallis Simpson.

John Leary

10th January 2020 at 9:16 am

Money is the god always has been always will be! This is not about MM she is just a symptom of materialism, humanism / the love of the self over all. Regards people making overtures about the environment, over population / abortion, sexual freedom – it’s really a masquerade for the love of the self and avoiding self sacrifice. MM is only a simple soul who loves money and herself above all and beloved she is clever enough to fool us all into thinking she gives a damn about anyone other than herself.

Hugh Oxford

10th January 2020 at 11:35 am

There seems to be a profound dishonesty here. On one hand they claim to be retreating from public life. On the other they are launching their own brand, committing to “progressive causes”. Which is it?

It stinks. If the argument is that they are fed up with the press and the attention and that is damaging their lives and their “mental health”, why would they then go on to launch “sussexroyal.com”, committing to a “progressive role”? That’s going to garner far more negative media attention that opening bridges and visiting hospices. It doesn’t add up.

If they really wanted to step back from public life, few people would have a problem with that. But they don’t. That’s the problem.

Why don’t Kate and Wills seem to have these problems? Could the real cause be nothing to do with the cruel press and everything to do with the unwillingness to do the actual job of being a Royal.

The litmus test will be if they use their Royal status to politically proselytise or make money. If so, then they need to be stripped of those titles.

Bella Donna

10th January 2020 at 12:15 pm

I agree. It was always about her! I should feel sorry for Harry. He’s turned his back on his family just as she did to hers, but he’s made his bed now he has to lie in it!

Rokeby Venus

10th January 2020 at 6:25 am

Poor Harry. Being married to her royal wokeness, the Ducheth of Thuthekth must be a miserable experience. All he can do Is nod his head and say, “yes, dear.”

Is Ladbrokes taking bets as to when the divorce will be?

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ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 1:20 am

LOL

Cluebat Vanexodar

10th January 2020 at 3:54 am

Let them have some fun. It should be a riot out in Hollywood- when they get around. Or maybe we can take them down to the lake in Tennessee for a real hillbilly holiday. See some real Americans, not remain cooped up with a bunch of stuffy apartment dwellers.

Michael Lynch

10th January 2020 at 1:09 am

Oh, what a shocker. Just watched Question Time and only one person in the audience showed any sympathy for the Queen. I also had to witness some rather sickening adulation for the terrorist scumbag killed and you got a real sense of the disappointment of the left that a few American boys didn’t get killed so that they can carry on with their tedious finger wagging at Trump. Mind you, it was from Oxford so it felt a bit like people talking Trot around a middle class dining table. We had the usual racist victim tripe from the Labour lot and one felt that they were still fighting the election!! There was the usual blame game of the Press and how they were responsible for the Labour result! The GE was a clear rejection of this type of ‘woke’ nonsense and yet the BBC seems to want to double down with it. Decriminalization of non payment of the Licence Fee can’t come quick enough. It’s the only way to put a stop to this crap. And guess what, QT is from Liverpool next week and London the week after – Mmmm, some more safe Labour seats with safe Labour audiences? Surprise, surprise.

a watson

10th January 2020 at 7:44 am

Agree. I turned off half way through becoming so angry. The BBC are carrying on regardless as you suggest.

jan mozelewski

10th January 2020 at 8:30 am

doubling down…the usual response from the BBC, the EU, the Woke left, Labour….the same people and the same pattern of behaviour.

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 10:14 am

Michael
Really !! You watched QT surely life is too short to squander it like that?
You suggest that it was biased because it was in Oxford.. believe you me it could have been in Scunthorpe and it would still be the same audience makeup.

jan mozelewski

13th January 2020 at 5:56 pm

Totally. I know several people who constantly moan about QT upsetting them …and just before bed. They tell me they want to kick the TV in. One bloke in particular was always on about it. I asked him if he would get a group of random ugly people together just so they could have a barny in his lounge in the evenings while he wasn’t even in the conversation. He had never thought of it that way and he has never watched it since. It seems with the BBC that what license fee payers are subscribing to is a whole host of programmes featuring televised slanging matches interspersed with cookery shows from chefs of failed restaurant chains and reality shows.featuring amateurs doing things badly.

Michael Lynch

13th January 2020 at 6:22 pm

Alas, Jerry, I think you are right. I don’t actually know why I do watch it because it just ends up upsetting me. I suppose that’s because I’m old enough to remember when the BBC was objective. A long time ago now it seems.

Filbert Flange

9th January 2020 at 11:47 pm

I was alarmed when it was revealed that the brats had holed up in Victoria, but that put them 600 kms away so I relaxed a little. After all they’d buzz off soon enough.

Lo and behold the little climber has returned to the rooskie oligarch’s shangri-la, otherwise known as north Saanich. Good God she’s back in the wokester’s paradise! She’s gonna find it kinda cold though. Record lows starting Sunday and lasting at least a week. Likely lots of snow too.

Michael Lynch

9th January 2020 at 10:28 pm

Gosh, if they were looking for sympathy before this they’re in for quite a shock. They have merely painted a massive target for the world’s paparazzi on their backs. Every f@cker with camera will think it’s open season now. They won’t get a moments peace.

jan mozelewski

11th January 2020 at 11:06 am

Good. I hope Harry goes gaga. Serves him right. He is totally devoid of sense or self-control and the idea he should have sanctioned his trailer-trash actress writing about ‘collaborating’ with a Head of State speaks volumes for their utter moral bankruptcy. I hope they are pestered to death from now on.

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 10:13 pm

If that’s what you consider to equal “moral bankruptcy” then you seriously need to re think your moral compass.

Ellen Whitaker

9th January 2020 at 10:28 pm

I think Brendan needs to take a few breathe-ins and breathe-outs. Everyone’s really piling on. Maybe there will have to be talks, a financial settlement of some kind. They specifically don’t want to cut ties completely, they want to cut back. Being woke, being unregenerately PC, and wealthy to boot, is annoying, but not illegal. Prince Harry is 5th and 6th in line to the throne now. They ought to be able to work something out. How many of us could bear it if we had to live our whole lives in close proximity to our nuclear (and extended) family.

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 11:26 am

So you’d be happy being ruled by a tediously thick woke ‘King with no shoes’ as opposed to the ‘Emporer with no clothes’ ?

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 11:28 am

*Emperor*

Jonnie Henly

10th January 2020 at 5:35 pm

As opposed to being ruled by a tediously thick ‘born to rule’ toff?

Cedar Grove

11th January 2020 at 12:58 am

I think what’s annoying people is precisely that they do claim to want independence, but insist on not cutting ties – i.e. they have no concept of duty, or even obligation in exchange for a 2-million-pound refurbishment of their pied a terre at public expense, & other benefits, yet expect to continue with a Royal lifestyle which they won’t be paying for.

I’m not a monarchist, but the Queen hasn’t shirked public duties even in her 90s, & Phil the Greek soldiered on as well, for a quarter-century after retirement age. Charles has always been earnest in his support for traditionally beautiful architecture, scholarships for the disadvantaged, and organic gardening. The sheer narcissistic vulgarity Megan’s brought to the monarchy really shows up in contrast.
The institution can’t survive much longer, given the gracelessness and moral vacuity of its younger generation, & perhaps that’s a good thing. It depends on what replaces it…

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 10:15 pm

“He acted like a little tyrant in getting re-elected”

“he’s an unthreatening little wimp”

Make up your mind Michael.

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 9:52 pm

Oh dear, did Mrs Markle upset the monarchy?

Was she a bit flippant with the Queen? The poor thing!

It’s in times like these that Brendan reveals himself at heart to be a little conservative suck up, always keen to bend a knee to the establishment’s institutions.

Jerry Owen

9th January 2020 at 10:01 pm

Little Jonnie
You’ve been on the juice again.. hasn’t mummy told you that too much Ribena is bad for you?

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 10:13 pm

Jerry, quick as ever with his response. We ought to time you like a sheepdog.

Did mean nasty Meghan hurt your precious royal family too? Aww. I’m sure you can cry yourself to sleep over it.

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 10:20 am

Little Jonnie
You have just proven what a closed little mind you have, a mind totally incapable of digesting what others say. A mind that is incapable of formulating any arguments against any articles on Spiked.
If you took the trouble to digest what people write instead of your usual monotonous flatpack phrases you would have noticed that I have on numerous occasions said on this site I am for abolishing the monarchy indeed I have even said it on this thread.
Try harder next time.

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 1:27 pm

Little Jonnie
The moderator has my earlier response so just a short one, I have made it clear on many occasions here and indeed on this thread I am for abolishing the monarchy. So it just goes to show you are incapable of digesting what others here say doesn’t it .. and it renders your post redundant doesn’t it ?
Your flatpack phrases impress nobody.

Jonnie Henly

10th January 2020 at 5:41 pm

“Your flatpack phrases impress nobody”

Jerry, laughing about Ribena doesn’t impress anyone.

Why would I bother digesting what you say when you post the same immature BS whenever you respond to my posts? You never have a point to make yourself. You never have a counter.

Which renders your posts redundant, which is why I was so flippant in response.

If you want to abolish the monarchy, sneering at others arguing for the same thing will get you nowhere.

Jerry Owen

11th January 2020 at 1:16 pm

You either read my posts or you don’t. If you don’t digest what I say then clearly you are not interested in debate.
50% of your banal crap is copying what others write then putting a raspberry on the end.
You are so childish it’s embarrassing.

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 3:31 pm

I read your posts. They are without exception a load of boring, unsubstantiated drivel with nothing interesting to say.

If you’re going to whine about people being childish then maybe don’t go round saying “You’re mummy hahahaha” like a playground bore. Next try actually telling my why you think I’m wrong.

You’re one of the worst hypocrites on here, and that’s saying something.

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 3:56 pm

“50% of your banal crap is copying what others write then putting a raspberry on the end.”

50% of your banal crap is writing some variant on “your mummy says it’s bedtime”.

Oops, was that me putting another raspberry on the end? Oh dear, why don’t you go and complain to YOUR mother about it?

I’d don’t like hypocrites. If that upsets you then that says more about you than me.

Christopher Tyson

9th January 2020 at 9:07 pm

I remember an episode of the TV comedy Father Ted, were loveable narcissist Father Ted complains ‘nobody takes me seriously’ , dim-witted side-kick Father Dougal replies ‘we take you seriously Ted’, unthinkingly replies ‘I mean nobody I respect’. There’s a woman I work with who camped out to see catch a glimpse of Harry and Meghan’s wedding, and there is much good will towards Harry and Meghan, not least amongst readers of the Daily Mail like my mum. Having said that my mum has been bemused to say the least about Meghan’s curious relationship with her Dad. My point is that it seems that Meghan and Harry are not enamoured with their audience, a little bit, old, suburban, dare I say simple minded. They want a new audience, hip and cool and perhaps a bit more grateful for having them around. I’m not saying that H and M are callous, just not self-aware, kind of naïve. Monarchy is inherently not progressive and radical, and H and M give our self-styled progressives a chance to be their genuine conservatives selves without losing face. Meghan expects to be taken seriously and is taken seriously in progressive circles as some kind of black radical and campaigner for the dispossessed, so she marries into one of the most privileged and whitist families you can think of and then is surprised that they turn out to be, erm, white and privileged. It wasn’t so long ago that these self same black radicals who are throwing themselves into the line of fire to protect H and M, were bemoaning black men for having white wives and girlfriends and I remember reading in a certain black newspaper a piece that was horribly insulting to white women who had relationships with black men. But what really impresses these black radical and progressives is money, fame, status, celebrity and royalty with the old grannies, Daily Mail readers and simple-minded peasant cut adrift.

E. Morse

9th January 2020 at 9:19 pm

Let’s not forget that Meghan Markle NEVER self-identified as bi-racial until AFTER she bagged “H”, a dim-wit who is desperate to be seen as “cool” and “woke” — because he has never grown up. She identified herself as Caucasian on school and job applications … and had plastic surgery in order to make sure that she appears to have white features. She’s a grifter who will adopt whatever appearance; identity; religion; etc. … in her never-ending grab for power and wealth. In other words, she’s a fraud.

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 10:24 am

E Morse
Not being interested in anything to do with Royalty I believe it was several months before I realized she was ‘black’ .. because the media started harping on about it 24/7. The reality is that I thought she was white. I couldn’t care less about her colour she’s just unbelievably irritating.

jan mozelewski

9th January 2020 at 10:16 pm

There is a lot of politics in this. MM is very much part of the Woke liberal/Hollywood set. That is the song she sings….remember that magazine piece she did? Tediously on message. Women. Women of colour. Women of colour eco-warriors….etc etc All the boxes ticked. And, of course, totally not what the Royal family is or should be. (It has to be as A-political as possible.) She avoided Trump, fawns over the Obamas and is, supported by liberal woke America. The ones that dislike her tend to be conservative in nature.

Jonnie Henly

10th January 2020 at 5:44 pm

Yes, it’s no surprise conservative types have never liked her.

A bi racial actress from LA who dares to say global warming is bad.

It’s not hard to see why she was never given a chance in some quarters. They dislike her for existing, never mind daring to marry into their precious royal family.

Jerry Owen

11th January 2020 at 1:19 pm

More cobblers from little Jonnie
Markle had an 80% favourable rating when she married Harry. It’s nothing to do with conservative types
You know bugger all about this country .

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 3:27 pm

Well that figures Jerry, since hard right conservative bores make up about 20% of the country!

Keep up!

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 3:28 pm

Jerry, you know bugger all about anywhere beyond your home town.

Pipe down.

Charles Buonaventura

9th January 2020 at 8:47 pm

I can just about stomach the monarchy as it is, but this pair’s nauseating behaviour makes me want to put a wrecking ball through this rotten institution.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 9:10 pm

As a malignant narcissist, the Princess of Woke already has the ‘grand plan’. Pull Harry away from support networks and into her spider’s web; the classic schtick of the narcissist. Coming across as sweet, sugary and caring is also part of that. The Royal Family has, as yet, no real understanding of what is to come. I predict:
1. No more children (she’s too old anyway)
2. A divorce
3. The mother of all custody battles as that “American citizen” Archie will be protected and never allowed to return to the UK.

Think I’m wrong? You’ll soon see. We’ve had these types of women in our family and, god almighty, it’s a nightmare.

Interestingly, if you do some research on narcissists you’ll find literature which suggests they’ve been damaged in childhood and often part of dysfunctional families.

Michael Lynch

9th January 2020 at 10:02 pm

Absolutely spot on. When she’s got him in America she’ll find that, outside his Royal role, he’s really just a bit of a plank. Once the novelty value has worn off she will discard him and move on. Poor old Harry will then have to face the humiliating task of having to crawl back to the fold. He’s literally lost everything he’s worked for in an instant and ended up with very little in return. I have lost count of how many times I’ve seen this sad scenario play out amongst friends and relatives. People falling bonkers mad in love with totally unsuitable people, dissing friends and family alike in the process, being rejected by the object of their desire and then having to come back home with tails between legs and badly broken hearts. It’s the same old song.

Rokeby Venus

10th January 2020 at 7:16 am

Hope her Majesty yanks Meghan’s royal title. It will catalyse the divorce in time.

Bella Donna

10th January 2020 at 12:22 pm

Spot on! She’s a user and he’s too stupid to see it.

W. Hash

14th January 2020 at 11:18 am

I am assuming the British queen is not stupid, and may suspect somethings up. And if Meghan dumps Harry, which I find quite likely, Harry has still family back up. He won’t fall too far. I was actually sad when I read Harry was going to marry her. She didn’t feel right to me as a person and I feared she was using him. I don’t know either of them of course. To see 1 and half year after marriage theyre leaving UK/family, is a red flag re: Meghan’s narcissism.

Filbert Flange

10th January 2020 at 12:08 am

Sod your damned inbred monarchy! The one good thing in all this rubbish is it’s two huge nails in the royal coffin. Once we’re saddled with Chuckles the Terd, it’s all downhill for the Saxe Coburg Gothas.

jan mozelewski

10th January 2020 at 1:51 pm

I suspect that is part of Markle’s plan. Her kind always like to destroy anything they can’t have, That way Will and Kate won’t get to be King and Queen consort (I guess Markle would be especially pleased about the last bit)…and she will still be a kind of woke queen like that Jenner woman. I am no particular devotee of the monarchy, but I’ll be damned if I subscribe to that shocking little grifter trashing it.

cliff resnick

9th January 2020 at 7:25 pm

Quite honestly the quicker Harry and Meghan are off our screens and out of sight the better, they were always surplus to requirements and something of a side show and I think the whole circus was/is tabloid fodder. I hope they enjoy a certain obscurity and 2nd level celebrity status in the US where they will do brand UK a certain amount of good and in Canada will help keep things connected. I’m personally not interested in the Royal Family as anything thing other than the symbolic figurehead of the country symbolising the history and continuity of the nation, that’s more or less a non-political appendage to the constitution. A role they serve with aplomb. They are also a cultural curiosity to the world and to most of us in the UK for that matter and in that role they more than pay their way. While it works don’t knock it, as a nation, post empire that is, we have always been too quick sell off or get rid of our national assets. As you might guess I’m ex Republican or maybe my Republicanism is on permanent hold depending on outcomes.

Anne Gu

9th January 2020 at 9:28 pm

As a Canadian, I really don’t want this woke couple here as we already have extremely woke PM, it is getting insufferable.

Filbert Flange

9th January 2020 at 11:56 pm

We shall simply have to endure the unendurable. They’ll bug out to LA fast enough I reckon. It rains even more in Victoria/ Vancouver and the people’s republic of Toronto is extremely boring after a couple days.

Jerry Owen

10th January 2020 at 11:33 am

God no.. after all three’s a crowd !

cliff resnick

10th January 2020 at 12:01 pm

Well I can certainly understand that!

Bella Donna

10th January 2020 at 12:19 pm

Lol! Sorry you’ve been dumped on but we don’t want them either. Issue them with an eviction notice!

Dominic Straiton

9th January 2020 at 7:00 pm

The British Monarchy is by far the best way of human governance. The British constitution pre Blair was the most beautiful unwritten idea ever conceived by man. When its gone through ignorance and selfishness all that will be left is Blair crossed with Saddam Hussain. Then it will be to late for the British people to yearn for anything great and good.

John Marks

9th January 2020 at 8:46 pm

Well said.

Michael Lynch

9th January 2020 at 10:13 pm

Fully agree. Having grown up in England I always felt extremely safe being a subject rather than a citizen. God help the UK if it goes down that particular path.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 11:06 pm

Yeah, it might end up like that balanced, economically successful, politically stable, internationally respected third world basket case republic Finland.

Claire D

10th January 2020 at 9:25 am

@Zenobia

In the last hundred years Finland has suffered civil war, being attacked and invaded by Russia, and losing territory. Not an example of success.

Claire D

10th January 2020 at 4:10 am

Entirely agree Dominic.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

10th January 2020 at 8:59 pm

Finland has been EXTREMELY successful since WWII. The UK was only spared the carnage of WWII on its own soil because it is an ISLAND. The UK has retained its integrity because of a geogrphical accident, not because it is in any way superior.

jan mozelewski

10th January 2020 at 11:46 pm

And a thing called the Royal Navy and RAF. Those few miles of shallow sea would have been no protection otherwise.

Claire D

11th January 2020 at 9:44 am

@Zenobia

Did I use the word ” superior ” ? No, I did not.

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 3:26 pm

You’d think if it were so beautiful someone would’ve written it down to preserve it properly.

jan mozelewski

11th January 2020 at 7:59 pm

Well thinking clearly isn’t your strong point. Because writing things down doesn’t preserve things, it pickles them. CARING about and valuing things is what preserves them.

Jonnie Henly

11th January 2020 at 10:15 pm

Well obviously no one cared about Britain’s wonderful unwritten constitution, or else it couldn’t have been so easily destroyed.

Maureen M

9th January 2020 at 6:43 pm

I feel sorry for little Archie. There will be no sibling as M is pushing 39 and is not interested in taking time out for pregnancy and recovery (her mat leave with Archie was essentially time for her to edit Vogue rather than spending time with her son). Cousins on the Markle side of the family are not allowed (and seem to be will into their 20s), so that leaves William and Catherine’s children as his closest relatives. And he will be MIA. Sad.

Besides I suspect he will be a prop for H & M roadshow – so much for privacy.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 6:40 pm

We haven’t had a decent monarch since Ethelred the Unready. ‘King Hazzer Markle’ is enough to make me puke in my mead goblet.

Dominic Straiton

9th January 2020 at 7:09 pm

Those damn English kings! Even those pesky Celts named their capitol city after them north of the wall.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 7:24 pm

Not fair. Gavin the Unstable was a fine monarch.

John Marks

9th January 2020 at 6:23 pm

Harry would make a great king.
Of the Falkland Islands.

James Knight

9th January 2020 at 5:54 pm

So now we know. Being a new royal is just a launch pad for a future celebrity career without all the tiresome public duties. Rather like a stint on the X factor, except the rest of us had to pay to get them this far in the competition.

jan mozelewski

9th January 2020 at 6:59 pm

well put.

john larkin

9th January 2020 at 5:51 pm

If only it was the dogged, unspoiled Princess Anne next … “England loves a queen”, as Churchill said in 1952.

Dominic Straiton

9th January 2020 at 9:42 pm

hmm 1952. That was the cold winter in which one of his ministers of state was found “in flagrante” with a guardsman in the bushes in -10 degrees. ‘Makes you proud to be British” was his response. Obviously a nasty homophobe.

Anakei Ess

16th January 2020 at 1:59 am

Oh I don’t know. I think he was impressed they were able to keep calm and carry on under those conditions!

Fiona Allen

9th January 2020 at 4:35 pm

The comparison with Simpson doesn’t hold water. Not even the Duchess of Windsor in all her shame- and ruthlessness, who was, by the way, 41 and thus only 5 years older than Markle when she married the Ex-King, went to the length of our former Z-list actress in her antics. Avove all, she never intended to destroy or seriously harm the Royal Family.
All those equations between the two women get my goat and increasingly so. They were respectively are, both American, but that’s where it begins and ends. The Duchess of Windsor at least had been no CHEAP tart. She had impeccable taste, knew her etiquette and came from a RESPECTABLE American family.
I’d never thought I’d ever say anything nice about that woman.

Claire D

9th January 2020 at 4:09 pm

Re: republicanism v’s a constitutional monarchy.

While on one level it might seem that an elected head of state is more rational, in fact there is a good argument that a monarch is healthier both politically and psychologically for the country.

A monarch is a figurehead for everyone, of whatever political persuasion, whereas a democratically elected head of state serves only the majority that voted for them. Perhaps most important of all a constitutional monarchy ensures that political leaders never have total power, it keeps them in check.

It is also positive that there is always the potential for a monarch to be odd or eccentric in some way. This is in contrast to the ‘ types ‘ of people attracted to go for high political office. Odd, eccentric or just unusual is more inclusive for us as citizens to live with, encouraging us to be more tolerant from the top to the bottom.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 7:39 pm

You can separate the head of state from the head of the executive, as they do in Ireland. Michael D. Higgins is a highly respected figure.

Neil McCaughan

9th January 2020 at 8:20 pm

Higgins is a ridiculous strutting dwarf, a poltroon, a hobbit. Toe curlingly embarrassing. Only the irish ….

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 8:25 pm

Neil McCaughan — did he cross you on some business deal?

Michael Lynch

9th January 2020 at 10:08 pm

I’m firmly with Neil on this. Higgins is a total embarrassment. He acted like a little tyrant in getting re-elected. The woke women love him here, of course, simply because he’s an unthreatening little wimp. Give me Mary Robinson or Mary McAleese any day of the week.

T Zazoo

9th January 2020 at 3:45 pm

Who cares really whatever you position on the monarchy. When Prince George came along Harry stopped being the Spare. He’s now about as important as Prince Andrew.

E. Morse

9th January 2020 at 3:27 pm

Meghan Markle is a malignant narcissist whose arrogance has exploded — and “H” is simply a dim-wit who does her bidding. The Queen and Charles should strip them of their “HRH”, titles and privileges NOW!!! They should NOT be allowed ANY public funding whatsoever — which these hypocritical grifters WANT (they want to remain on the Sovereign Grant) ; just as they want for us to pay their worldwide security costs; their households all over the world; and yet, be able to sell/merch their Sussex Fnd money-laundering racket.

Let’s make NO mistake about it — these two money-grubbing grifters are ALL about enriching themselves via scrounging from the British taxpayers — taxpayers around the world — and merching the Monarchy. This is unacceptable on every level. Let MM-“H” use the money that they have and become truly FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT — by supporting themselves — really supporting themselves — WITHOUT exploiting their titles: NO “HRH”; NO TITLES; NO FROGMORE COTTAGE; ETC.

Bullies exploit threatening tactics — as Meghan Markle has bullied and banged her way to fame and fortune — and “H” has always been a spoiled brat … jealous of William and Kate. There is NOTHING “progressive” about MM-“H” : They are simply greed-ridden hypocrites who want to be billionaires via exploiting the British people.

MM-H “want the money, but they don’t want to have to account for what they do with it, and want the perks of a title and this is what they have been working on, which is why MM has made no effort to integrate into British life…”

#CharlatanDuchess

https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2020/01/08/the-sweaty-sussex-showdown-begins/

Jerry Owen

9th January 2020 at 2:56 pm

‘Stepping back’ for their ‘progressive new role’ , isn’t that an oxymoron?
As for being self financed wasn’t she a tacky actress and didn’t Harry appear in some porn vid a few years back? I see a progressive new role for them in the ahem blue movie industry.
Yes.. abolish the Monarchy.

jan mozelewski

9th January 2020 at 3:37 pm

You have hit on the major inconsistency in this. I am seeing things written by celebs and fans of this pair ….that they need peace, deserve privacy, want a simple life away from Royal constraints. nd yet, at the same time they launch a website clearly bent on exploiting their brand.
The other aspect of this I find distasteful is Harry Windsor’s willingness to exploit his mother’s memory at every opportunity.

Michael Lynch

9th January 2020 at 11:07 pm

Dead right. I find this really distasteful. Can’t help thinking that she is putting the words in his mouth though. Gosh, imagine the telephone conversation he’s probably had with William?

Harry: I’ve had to do this to try and protect Meghan. We’ve had to get away. Don’t forget how the Press killed Mum. You should be supportive…….
William: You can both go and live in Timbuktu for all I care, but you shouldn’t have done this to Nanna. It’s unforgivable to treat her this way. She needs us more than ever now.

Rokeby Venus

10th January 2020 at 7:22 am

If the H&M split has taught us anything, it’s how utterly replaceable, and, frankly, forgettable Prince Harry is.

Neil McCaughan

9th January 2020 at 2:40 pm

Miss Markle. A timely reminder of what a problem plastic rubbish can be.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 4:17 pm

You Brits need to demand your money back for that flash but tacky wedding!!

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 7:47 pm

Markle should be deported!

Ron Fox

9th January 2020 at 2:33 pm

American here. I saw this coming a mile away. The problem here is that Meghan is an American TV actress. She thought she was royalty *before* she married your prince.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 4:15 pm

For a person like myself, with 3 married adult sons (2 being divorced) I’ve seen manipulation and control from all the females in the arrangements and wonder why men put themselves through it at all. We all saw this coming and Brendan’s comments are 100% accurate. Those who are complaining about the article are upset by the calling out of selfie-taking, narcissistic posturing – so characteristic of generation “all about me”. Hurts, doesn’t it.

And boys; don’t let calculating and manipulating women into your lives. Don’t let them leave even a toothbrush at your house. In Australia you can lose all your assets with that one toothbrush.
(wife)

David Redfern

9th January 2020 at 2:12 pm

What are the odds on a divorce? It’s inevitable, just when is the question.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 4:16 pm

Totally agree. What’s the old saying? When you’ve got them by the straight and curlies their hearts and minds follow thereafter.

Michael Lynch

10th January 2020 at 2:13 am

She’s obviously already issued him with an ultimatum – it’s me or them.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

13th January 2020 at 1:16 am

Hazza divorcing would be very sad given his mother’s history.

Paul Carlin

9th January 2020 at 2:03 pm

I can’t help but agree with everything you say, Mr O’N. I only saw the word ‘hypocritical’ there once, though, and feel that it should have had more use.

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 1:28 pm

“It captures how snooty the woke brigade is, where they are essentially reprimanding the masses”

So says Brendan, when a few paragraphs above this he was reprimanding an entire generation for daring to hold different values to himself. His hypocrisy exposes itself again.

Paul Carlin

9th January 2020 at 2:05 pm

“…a few paragraphs above this he was reprimanding an entire generation for daring to hold different values to himself.” Where’s that?

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 5:35 pm

It’s pretty hard to miss.

“Duty is anathema to a new generation whose chief goal is often self-realisation. Any notion of collapsing the self into something bigger than oneself, something more historic or something collective, is alien to many in the selfie-taking, values-performing generation”

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 1:27 pm

“but even I recognise that treating the queen as a kind of big business one temporarily ‘collaborates with’ is out of order.”

Out of order? Mr Free Speech rebellious man Brendan turns out to fret terribly over how some people treat a privellaged old woman. Oh they treat her like a business? Stop the press, this is an outrage, how will we recover?!!

Ven Oods

9th January 2020 at 1:38 pm

Privellaged?
Blimey, Jonnie; take a tablet and calm down. (And remember: your spell-checker is your friend.)

jan mozelewski

9th January 2020 at 1:25 pm

I remember seeing a video of Meghan Markle riding in a carriage with Kate. Kate was facing forwards and waving to the crowds on each side. MM looked neither right nor left . She was travelling in the opposite seat. She just stared at the Duchess of Cambridge. It was not a nice stare. It was, actually quite unnerving to see.
Despite Harry assuring her that ‘What Meghan wants, Meghan gets’ the one thing they couldn’t buck was the Royal pecking order. It quickly became apparent that not all Royals are equal. And that especially rankled with Markle when it came to the other relative newcomer, Katherine.
This is about her wanting to buck this and set up a rival Royal brand. Queen of woke…yes, that fits.

I am not a monarchist per se . Like lots of Brits I approach the Royals like I do the Church. It is simply there. However, I refuse to have this upstart control freak and her whimp of s spouse be the catalyst for a Republic.

E. Morse

9th January 2020 at 3:46 pm

Well said. There is a photograph of Meghan Markle staring at Kate, and the malevolence and hatred in her eyes is palpable. This malignant narcissist MM and her lapdog “H” need to be ousted from the BRF, for they are NOT only greed-ridden hypocrites — who want to continue to bilk us (their “financially independent” BS is a LIE) — they are dangerous … William and Kate should NEVER allow MM-“H” near their children.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 4:20 pm

I think the kindest thing I can say about PH is that he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.

fret slider

9th January 2020 at 1:09 pm

“They’re ducking out of the Sovereign Grant and royal duties and going it alone. ”

Only that isn’t entirely true…

“The Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s attempts to be financially independent face a slight hitch in the form of a £600,000 a year security bill.” Currently the Duke and Duchess and their son Archie are understood to be protected by six full time Metropolitan Police bodyguards, MailOnline reports.

Each earns an estimated £100,000 a year including overtime – a hefty bill that the taxpayer foots.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/taxpayers-could-pay-hundreds-thousands-21242123

They get ~£6.5 million a year, it’s going to be quite an adjustment.

E. Morse

9th January 2020 at 3:55 pm

Meghan Markle is a professional grifter, a hustler … they have NO intention of being “financially independent” — that’s the biggest MM-“H” LIE of all … and there are a lot of lies that they have told over the years. They will continue to scrounge off the British taxpayers who will be forced to fund their worldwide staff; worldwide security; and worldwide travel … unless the Queen and Charles strip them of their “HRH”, titles and privileges and cut them off entirely.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 4:21 pm

Oh, for a minute there, I thought your first sentence was one of those spam comments about how to earn a quick buck!!! 🙂

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 7:45 pm

Me-gain Markle and Hazza can provide their own security. Hazza has military training, Me-gain can use her odious personality to ward off attackers and Archie can learn to use an AK47 as soon as he has learnt to grip.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 1:06 pm

Read Piers Morgan’s diatribe in the DM today. Meghan is highly manipulative and Harry has been suckered. I’m no monarchist but I feel intensely sorry for the guy.

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 1:33 pm

Piers Morgan has been ranting and raving against Meghan ever since she snubbed him from her wedding invites.

Nothing he writes about her can be considered any sort of objective criticism. It’s just him venting his sore feelings.

Ven Oods

9th January 2020 at 1:53 pm

“Nothing he writes about her can be considered any sort of objective criticism.”

Surely, the same analysis could be applied to any of Piers’ writings or utterances?

Neil McCaughan

9th January 2020 at 2:44 pm

Jonnie Cluckie. Always here first with the news from “Hello” magazine.

Do you have pictures of Miss Markle on your bedsit walls, Jonnie?

Jerry Owen

9th January 2020 at 3:04 pm

Neil
More likely pictures of a naked Harry on his wall I would suggest… along with a couple of BON possibly ..

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 5:37 pm

Pretty funny Neil since you’ve always struck me as the sort to read Hello. Probably pick it up alongside your copies of the Sun and Star.

Jonnie Henly

9th January 2020 at 5:38 pm

And of course Jerry, you’d be first in line to defend Piers….. your main source of news from the outside world no doubt.

Mark Houghton

9th January 2020 at 3:10 pm

Harry is clearly thinking with the little head.

Michael Lynch

9th January 2020 at 10:09 pm

Led round by it.

Cedar Grove

11th January 2020 at 1:02 am

Morgan was put out when she started leaving him off her invitation list. It’s sour grapes, not rational evaluation.

NEIL DATSON

9th January 2020 at 12:48 pm

Brendan, I go nearly all the way with you in your enthusiasm for republicanism – but, and it’s a very big but – there are too many unsatisfactory presidential systems in the world for me to feel confident that this country would be improved by abolition. So I hope that the posturing that this couple are going in for will – in the end – be to the country’s advantage. If over the next few decades – it won’t happen very quickly – the monarchy is seriously slimmed down and adopts a more Scandinavian style, playing the dutiful ‘first citizen’ role, it may be for the best in the end. No doubt the pair of them will make lucrative ‘celebrity appearances’ abroad while gradually dissipating the ‘aura’ that gives them celebrity, but I suspect they won’t find that to be a bed of roses either.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 1:04 pm

The argument that we should not establish a republic because there are many bad republics in the world (which there are) is a bad argument for not establishing a republic. The British are quite intelligent people so I am sure that they would be able to create a successful, stable republican polity, perhaps using the Irish, German or Finnish models as inspiration.

Ven Oods

9th January 2020 at 1:51 pm

“…is a bad argument for not establishing a republic.”

Your point could be used to suggest that National Socialism got a bad rap after just one short outing.

jan mozelewski

9th January 2020 at 10:19 pm

I thought you’d argued that the Brits were incapable of getting these sort of decisions right? (Brexit etc) I may have you confused with someone else….in which case apologies.
Whenever anyone tells me that you can get rid of a President I get a vision of Sepp Blatter .

fret slider

9th January 2020 at 1:13 pm

A decent system allows a maximum of two terms.

You can get as many as you can in the UK…

“Blair: I will serve a full third term” – https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/oct/01/uk.labourconference2

Ron Fox

9th January 2020 at 3:29 pm

I note you didn’t recommend the U.S. mode of republicanism. Actually, our mode works pretty well. The trouble we’ve had is that the legislature is too busy scrabbling for re-election, so it has voluntarily transferred a lot of it’s legislative responsibility to the Executive by writing vague laws creating regulatory agencies under the control of the Executive that have the power to write regulations with the power of laws that don’t have to be reviewed by the legislature. If Congress would do the job they were elected to do – or if the Supreme Court would recognize that the doctrine of “separation of powers” should forbid regulatory agencies from effectively making laws – things would be different in this country. But the present structure enables the legislators to *look* like they have done something without having to take responsibility for the consequences.

Warren Alexander

9th January 2020 at 12:41 pm

If we all simply ignore Mr and Mrs Windsor we won’t have to be bored witless by their pointlessness and stupidity.

Marvin Jones

9th January 2020 at 12:01 pm

“I am not going to be ordered around by any white people, no matter who they are!” How much will we get for junior memberships?

In Negative

9th January 2020 at 11:50 am

On the shifting sands of establishment and values of duty and civil service, has anyone spent any time looking at what Dom Cummings has in mind for UK PLC? In many of his thoughts around ephemeral small teams, ministerial agility, freaks, weirdos and misfits, and the CEOisation of permenant secrataries and so on, we see similar shifts in structural values. It doesn’t have the same identitarian gloss, but it’s all the same shit. The structural sands are moving and the old order is a-crumbling.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 1:08 pm

Cummings is a casseur who is out to make a name for himself. It is not clear that he has any moral principles at all.

Ven Oods

9th January 2020 at 1:47 pm

It’s not clear that many in the Westminster circus have anything recognisable as moral principles, so he’ll fit right in.
He seems to be very effective at what he does, which rather sets him apart from most politicians and civil service jobsworths. (And, he takes £40k less a year than his job rating would allow, so he’s either posturing at some cost to himself, or he does as he says.)

Ron Fox

9th January 2020 at 2:41 pm

I had to look up “casseur”, so I learned something today!

In Negative

9th January 2020 at 3:13 pm

Who on earth is talking about moral principles?

Cummings is a corporate visionary – you don’t need moral principles for that. Corporations are about viable markets and maximised productivity/share-holder returns.

Principles are the illusions by which you animate markets. The government must maximise the number of markets (and systems of principle) , not establish any single dominant principled marketplace.

And honestly, I don’t actually mind that myself. But let us not pretend that ideas of public service and duty are the engines of our social fabric. The market-nihilism of guys like Murdoch won years ago – it’s only strange that the royal family have lasted as long as they have in this mouldering Gormenghast form.

Ven Oods

9th January 2020 at 3:45 pm

I had to look up “casseur”…

You’re a riot!

steve moxon

9th January 2020 at 11:36 am

Good riddance. Harry was either flaky and/or fed up with being ‘the spare’, and then plumped for an obvious shallow wannabe in the Megshit. She can keep her wokery pokery over in America from whence it sprang.

Femxle Penis

9th January 2020 at 11:29 am

Brendan mentions narcissism, I feel this is the most important factor, Megs is a narcissist – Harry is going to miserable if he isn’t already (just unaware at the moment that the cause of this is his wife and NOT because of the awful racists in Britain)
Narcissists take their sources/supplies away from friends and loved ones, it’s all part of the love-bombing that keeps their source emotionally dependent on them. I feel bad for Harry tbh, not because I think he is a victim, more that I think he is probably acting out of a genuine desire to be a dutiful loving Husband and Father and does not realize or recognize a deeply manipulative person. I hope William makes the effort to remain close.

Michael Green

9th January 2020 at 11:52 am

Sadly, for Harry the man, I fear you may be right.

jan mozelewski

9th January 2020 at 3:12 pm

I think what comes out of this is that Harry isn’t a man. Spoiled petulant boy certainly.

Brandy Cluster

9th January 2020 at 4:29 pm

You demonstrate a very good understanding of narcissism. Yes, “supply” is key here. And you are, I think, largely correct in your assessment of Harry just wanting to be a good husband and father. But this is rarely, if ever, successful from a position of weakness – paradoxically enough.

The FIRST thing the narcissist has to do is remove the ‘supplier’ from family and friends and supporting cohorts – all the while coming across as the epitome of caring and goodness. A quick look at the Princess of Woke’s family and former interpersonal relationships provides the clue.

I’m sorry for Harry; first his mother and now this!!!

Jim Lawrie

9th January 2020 at 11:14 am

They think they can leave behind the bits they don’t want but take with them what they can coin – the status of Royalty and its connections. How long will that last in The USA where you are judged on your own merits and achievements, not the status of your mum and dad overseas? Plus when people realise what freeloading, condescending, stuck up, victim playing parasites they are, they’ll be royally shunned.
Personally, I think they just want a few years over there to have the baby’s face righted.

While I appreciate your need to shout your Republican credentials Mr O’Neill, it would be better to try to figure out why 70% of the country support The Monarchy.

Marvin Jones

9th January 2020 at 12:16 pm

If you are correct about their 70% of supporters, the reason is that the Brits are just a bunch of sentimental lonely and bored lot who have nothing better to do with their lives, and so easily surrender to the wealthy and privileged on a freebie for life.

Jane 70

9th January 2020 at 1:11 pm

Actually, this is unfair:many of us have republican convictions, but-see Neil Datson’s very pertinent post- we are not enthused by the prospect of President Blair, President Mandelson, Bercow , Grieve etc; fill in the blanks as you wish.

I think he is entirely correct in his suggestion that the bloated Windsor edifice be slimmed right down, the Sovereign Grant be restricted to a few royal duties and the rest of the household and fellow travellers be required to pay their own way.

Ven Oods

9th January 2020 at 1:42 pm

“the Brits are just a bunch of sentimental lonely and bored lot”
I’m not personally a committed Royalist, but an alternative to your suggestion would be that a lot of Brits are comfortable with tradition and stability. Look at what goes on in Europe and further afield and you’ll see why they might prefer that. There’s a lot to be said for not being blinded or having your hand shot off by police when you’re on a peaceful march in your gilet jaune.

Jim Lawrie

9th January 2020 at 3:01 pm

Down from 80% 10yrs ago. I can’t see Andy, Harry and Meghan reversing that slide.

On an anecdotal level I often hear older people say they don’t mind the Queen but they’d chase the rest of them out of their castles.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

9th January 2020 at 7:27 pm

Nobody would vote for Blair as President. In any case, you can’t get rid of a bad monarch but you can get rid of a bad President. The Blair Defence of monarchy is as weak as the tourism argument.

Little Black Sambo

9th January 2020 at 7:41 pm

That is just the kind of snobby remark that Guardianistas made about Leavers.

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