The silencing of the people

This parliament feels increasingly illegitimate. It must go.

Brendan O'Neill

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Last night, the House of Commons put on one of the most nauseating displays in its history. From the self-congratulation of the obsessively anti-Brexit, anti-democratic Speaker John Bercow to the last-minute pushing through of an archaic Humble Address motion to force government advisers to hand over their private WhatsApp messages, this was parliament at its worst. At its most aloof, its most decadent, and its most illiberal.

But perhaps the most grotesque sight of all, the sight that confirmed that this parliament is truly and irreparably exhausted, was Remainer MPs holding up signs declaring that they have been ‘silenced’ by Boris Johnson’s prorogation. This takes gall and arrogance to dizzying new heights.

Parliament is prorogued as of last night. It will not sit until 14 October. Whatever one thinks of this prorogation – spiked sees it as a cynical and unnecessary step – for Remainer MPs to complain about it is just too much to stomach. As prorogation began, with the arrival of Black Rod late in the evening, Remainer MPs booed, chanted ‘shame’, tried to prevent Bercow – the hero of their anti-Brexit, anti-democratic efforts – from leaving his chair, and held up signs saying ‘SILENCED’.

Silenced? Is this some kind of joke? Just a couple of hours before this ridiculous orgy of self-pity these same MPs had actually, legally silenced us, the people, by once again voting against the holding of a General Election. They pose as victims of ‘silencing’ when in truth they are the silencers. They are silencing the public voice, the very source of their democratic authority, and in the process bringing about a constitutional crisis unprecedented in modern times.

It is perverse for MPs to claim to be silenced. They have had more than three years to enact Brexit. They have been part of the longest parliamentary session since the English Civil War of 1642-1651. It reached that landmark on 7 May this year. By that point, the current parliamentary session had been running for 298 sitting days, or 2,657 hours and 56 minutes.

And what did they do for these hours and hours and days and days? They gabbed and blathered. They delayed and blocked and stalled Brexit. They made excuse after excuse for their failure to deliver Brexit. They preened and posed and made pseudo-fiery speeches about the evils of Brexit that impressed the Twitterati but literally no one else in the country. They filled the Commons with excuses and noise and bluster, all designed to distract attention from their staggering failure to respect the will of the people.

For these people now to present themselves as ‘silenced’, as being gagged on the Brexit issue, is mad. Indeed, their claim that ‘Brexit chaos’ is destroying parliament is utterly unconvincing. If Brexit has become chaotic, it is because of them. It is because of MPs’ backtracking on their own manifesto promise to respect the result of the EU referendum and because of their post-manifesto, post-democratic determination to destroy Brexit instead. We shouldn’t let them get away with blaming Brexit for the alleged chaos enveloping the political realm, because in truth it is their cynicism and lies and continual blocking of Brexit that has withered democracy in this country and reduced politics to a joke.

Even worse, they now prevent us, the public, from having a say on their behaviour and, in particular, on their legal block against a No Deal Brexit and their determination to secure yet another extension to the Article 50 process. Last night, MPs voted for a second time against holding a General Election. They do not want an election until they have effectively banned No Deal and kept us in the EU until at least January next year. They are going against the express will of the people and, at the same time, insulating themselves from the people’s judgement. They are usurping our democratic wishes while preventing us from having any say about this whatsoever. It is an outrage against democracy. They are silencing the masses.

This parliament doesn’t only feel morally and politically exhausted – it feels increasingly illegitimate. It feels like the least representative parliament in living memory. This is a parliament in which the vast majority of members were elected on manifestos that promised to deliver Brexit and yet it has spent much of the past three years trying to thwart Brexit. This is a parliament in which numerous MPs are now representatives of different parties to the ones they were elected for in 2017. This is a parliament that voted in favour of the EU referendum, voted in favour of triggering Article 50, and which continually said the people’s voice must be respected, and yet it now flat-out refuses to make Brexit a reality and in fact has essentially outlawed it via the Benn Bill.

They have to go. They have no idea how much contempt the public feels for them. Or perhaps they do, which would explain why they are so desperate to put off a General Election until they have completed their latest anti-Brexit, anti-democratic machinations. The public is biting at the bit to pass judgement – stinging, unforgiving judgement – on these political unrepresentatives. Parliament derives its authority entirely from the people, and yet right now it stands in opposition to the people. The people will not forget this when, finally, these charlatans and elitists allow us to exercise our democratic right to vote.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

Mart Collingwood

13th September 2019 at 6:38 pm

But we must remember – we didn’t vote for a no deal Brexit! Perfectly true and we didn’t vote for ‘deal Brexit’ either. We simply voted out.

I have significant concerns about the long term damage this is doing to democratic people’s votes – we also use them for electing our – Remainer – MPs as well. They do need to remember this at their peril!!

James E Shaw

11th September 2019 at 3:11 pm

Terrible, awful, disgraceful attack by an elite on the people.

Well, all 16.1 million of them. That belong to the elite, attend demonstrations in London by the hundreds of thousands, possibly millions.

Appalling that government should be held to account.

Jerry Owen

12th September 2019 at 8:20 am

James Shaw
Millions ? The logistics of millions entering one part of London render it impossible, a couple hundred thousand at most !
Anyway it’s too late, you should have won the referendum but you didn’t .. you lost !

Hana Jinks

13th September 2019 at 6:05 pm

You’re a teenage w hore, Babydoll.

Get outta my house, Jerry Oven-Kraut.

https://youtu.be/2ajl3nJOksw

James Martin

11th September 2019 at 10:28 am

This is my first time on the site. Holy hell what an article. This guy writes the truth.

Jerry Owen

11th September 2019 at 8:16 am

Interesting to note that after three years we still have people bleating that ‘you didn’t vote for no deal’.
Look at it this way did ‘remainers all vote for exactly the same kind of ‘remain’ ?
Did some ‘remain’ voters having some reservations want a looser relationship with the EU , and some the closest controlling relationship you could get ?
‘Leave’ and ‘remain’ means many different things to many different people, I know that by talking to my friends, it simply isn’t a black and white issue, it has many different facets. The consensus though was to leave and by some decent margin.
It was a binary referendum we all knew all the facts , scaremongering, and project fear campaigns for months and months before the referendum. all the information was in the public domain.
We all on both sides voted for our preference.
Leave won it , and clearly people that voted leave think ‘no deal’ is better than a bad deal.
May won an election on that premise , TBP wiped the floor with the Euro elections on that premise also.
It’s time for the losers to move on and bat for Britain, in fairness the vast majority of ‘remain voters have moved on. The whingers that whine and cry outside of Parliament are an irrelevance, a relic of the past.

Hana Jinks

13th September 2019 at 6:15 pm

Your reputation is shit in this town, Jerry Oven-Kraut.

https://youtu.be/iFkGyDx_0c4

Bella Donna

11th September 2019 at 7:54 am

Brendan I found myself cheering, you so eloquently and passionately express what most of us are feeling. I want the army to block these disgusting scum from ever entering parliament again! They have abused their powers and made a mockery of our democracy. Bercow should, in my opinion, be thrown out on his ear with no pension either!

Andrew Stuart

11th September 2019 at 12:17 am

Very little has been commented by Comrade Corbyn’s Marxist followers and their defilement of the Chamber by singing the Red Flag at 1.30 in the morning.
Is this what the Remainers and fellow travelers want for Great Britain?

Jerry Owen

11th September 2019 at 10:47 am

Andrew Stuart.
That is the official anthem of the labour party. Blair and Brown tried to distance themselves from it. At least they are open about their beliefs now.
‘Up the workers’ is one of their mottos , and believe you me labour certainly shaft it ‘up the workers’ !

Eoghan Connolly

10th September 2019 at 10:33 pm

So spiked want an election. Fair enough. Who do they want to win it?

Amin Readh

11th September 2019 at 1:14 am

Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party. You must be new!

Jonathan Castro

10th September 2019 at 9:27 pm

Why did Boris stop the Lords filibustering, and send the bill for Royal Assent? Why did he think Corbyn would vote for an election when he’s well down in the polls? Did he just believe it because a couple of Labour peers told him?

He and Cummings are either very naive and not thinking, or are going for May’s surrender treaty.

Dominic Straiton

10th September 2019 at 6:32 pm

Whats actually happened is we have seen Parliament for what it actually has become. It is a regional assembly without the capability of being a sovereign Parliament. Having spent 40 years handing over power without debate or a single popular vote they are like rabbits in a headlight scared shitless.

Dominic Straiton

10th September 2019 at 7:36 pm

The franchise has become meaningless. We are in the same position as the chartists. The old aristocracy gave up power ,voluntarily, without a fight, perhaps for the only time in history anywhere. This lot wont.

Puddy Cat

11th September 2019 at 10:04 am

Dominic, I want to have your baby! How insightful. How cultured. Well done.

James Knight

10th September 2019 at 6:25 pm

The antics of Remoan MPs today was nothing new, it is just a continuation of their epic sulk. They care as much for democracy and parliamentary sovereignty as Harold Shipman cared for the elderly.

Mike Ellwood

10th September 2019 at 4:26 pm

I can’t work out which I found more nauseating: The increasingly angry Ian Blackford (SNP), blathering away, or Jo Swinson proudly announcing she’d ignore any 2nd referendum that didn’t go her way, and that a Lib Dem government (yeah, right…) would reverse Article 50.

The SNP rant and rave about the UK government dragging the Scots out of the EU against their will (ignoring the fact that 38% of Scots voted to Leave the EU). While at the same time, their declared policy, in fact their only raison d’être, is to leave the UK, despite the fact that over 55% of Scots voted to stay in the UK in 2014. It would serve the likes of Blackford right (although not the good Scots who were misled by him and his ilk), if Scotland were to achieve independence and independent membership of the EU and the Eurozone….and then be subject to the tender mercies of the Troika, just like Greece. They would soon be wailing to come back into the UK.

LibDems: Now led by Jo Swinson, whose voting record on economic matters is horribly neoliberal. No surprise, since the Coalition taught us that the Liberal Democrats are a fundamentally neoliberal, pro-austerity party. “Democrats”? Some democrats. Swinson has been widely reported as saying that in a new EU referendum which she wants, if its comes back with people still wanting to Leave, she will just ignore it. Well, her party have ignored the first referendum, so I suppose at least they are consistent.

In both debates on an early election (which would have been the ultimate “people’s vote”), almost all Lib Dem MPs voted against it . Complete hypocrites,

cliff resnick

10th September 2019 at 4:43 pm

Ian Blackford is such an annoying little self rightous twit, around here he’d be “Gobby” and should from now on be known as Ian “Gobby” Blackford. I suppose he thinks if he’s really awful the rest of the UK will have a referendum on Scottish independance and vote them out. Why are nearly all nationalist so upperty a bit like jump up fascists? As for Jo Swinson as David Starkey ably sum up “an absolute intellectual minnow”. Come the election I only hope remainers get their just rewards and have to find a proper job!

Davy Hayes

11th September 2019 at 10:56 am

Spot on. Whenever you hear the comment about “Westminster doesn’t listen to the voice of Scotland” what they really mean is England, back in the 60′ s they said it openly, nowadays it would be regarded as racist. They want to leave a union of 4 nations because of the above and their solution is to join a union of 27! Of course given their support for Catalonian independence from Spain, like wee stalls in towns and cities across Scotland, with the Catalonian flag and their petitions, etc, they may well find in the sad event of their winning a referendum, that Spain vetoes them. I don’t know where you live, but there is, I believe, a silent majority in Scotland, who took the words about a once in a generation referendum to mean exactly that. Pity about losing Ruth R though

A Game

10th September 2019 at 4:16 pm

The Jewish MP’s speech was a beauty. Ripped ’em a new one. See the look on Uncle Bully’s face? Looked kind of “anti” to me.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 4:20 pm

Comment in moderation. The MP who did a magnificent job putting, how to phrase it, Labour in its place, with the little hat on his head (daren’t use any specifics) and the look on the Uncle from that movie Once Were Warriors (daren’t name him in case that’s what’s tripped the censor) was rather mean. Fingers crossed. Its like politics for kiddies. Oh, I’m talking about the right parliament then.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 4:00 pm

This Remainer tactic, as seen by Dr Death on radio (anyone see his interview? I’m doubling down on whiney… kindness decrees I leave it at that), and seen last night by the young SNP MP who got up at the end and, you know, in keeping with parliament being just a circus without a grain of the skill of circus performers, so a BAD circus, the sort that have to be shut down because the animals are starving, starts listing out an incoherent, smarty pants list of statutes in situ (500+ of them, if I managed to sift anything from the Sifter Sergeant herself) for a no deal Brexit. I’d be heartened to hear how thorough their government is being. She didn’t think of that angle, like Dr Death wasn’t thinking so clearly, either.
Its the same approach.
They both quote knowing this since March. The Superior Sifter saw an anomaly, I think, then… and now the process of an extension is happening again – though this time, there is still over a month before the clifftop is approached, so it would make sense that nothing has finished being filtered, but to use it as a GOTCHA like the good doctor. (Who knew flu vaccines were within the neurological specialties… learn something every day.)
The importance of whistle blowers can never be doubted. Especially when something like Yellowhammer is in the hands of the middle classes – the bureaucrats – the politicians DO need to hear if something is being missed. Likewise, if Sifter Central detects an oversight – again, the bureaucrats are bumbling about, then that needs to be addressed.
But the Remainer tactic that everything is just fodder for the campaign… again, silly children throwing information around like its just jelly in a food fight… As Mogg identified, using a position of privilege to frighten people, now the Sifter from Scotland to big note herself, and pretend she’s really bright, just using information at hand for a cheap shot…

Watching Vicky’s posher cousin list off all the things wrong with Brexit, so listing out the Project Fear line, then blaming the government for wanting to fulfill the referendum by achieving Brexit, they are frightening people, then she goes straight back to Project Fear, trying to frighten people, its more of the same. No burden of parental responsibility for this crowd. Win, win, no matter what it takes.

Garreth Byrne

10th September 2019 at 3:36 pm

Literary allusions can be amusing if somewhat inexact. The proroguing of parliament until the eve of Brexit and the fracas which occurred recently first made me think of Chaucer’s Parliament of Fowles c.1380, but on more mature reflection I thought of a German satirical work called Das Narrenschiff or The Ship of Fools published around 1490. https://www.litkicks.com/ShipOfFools
One could seek symbolical meaning in music too, such as Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries as associated with Apocalypse Now, or The March to the Scaffold in Berlioz’s Symphonie Fantastique. Literature and music at this time of dreadful confusion seem more real than political reality.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:01 pm

The ‘twitterati” comment is telling. I was thinking that with their empty showboating. Its a headline being shouted, over and over, you never get to the substance of the article. That they are now doing parliamentary performances designed for their twitter account… it makes sense.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 2:58 pm

The SNP have to think outside the box on this independence thing. Their own people don’t want liberating. Perhaps its time to take it back to the oppressor. I think they should advocate for an English referendum on whether they should leave the UK. I think, also, they would be onto a winner.
(And surely Wales and NI are sick of being sidelined by them. Let them vote, too. Who is the oppressor in that triangle?)

Jim Lawrie

10th September 2019 at 5:29 pm

Nicola Sturgeon dreams of the day when she can swear to Brussels the fealty of an independent Scotland. She went there straight after the referendum and pledged Scotland’s loyalty.

She has no economic policy because she sees that as Brussels role.

Like communists who refuse to discuss what would happen after The Revolution, The SNP discuss only crossing the line. They are focussed only on Indyref2. Then 3. Then 4.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 2:51 pm

I watched the entire broadcast and I double everything Brendan has said. It just went on and on, the same lines, over and over, the outrage, the indignation, the megalomania.
Its interesting that the only measured voices were Leavers.
The Redwood bloke, when Vicky Pollard’s posher cousin was speaking, the grave points he was trying to make – almost a plea for her to understand , you are putting your country in an untenable position… you want to move house, but to do so, you are demolishing the home you are leaving.
The way you could see when he said, the EU could demand billions of dollars and your legislation has decreed that he may not disagree with that, that they have written a blank cheque to the EU… it threw her. Why? They do know the consequences of their actions, don’t they? They did think about that when they were in their hot-houses of plotting?
I see Swinson’s foot and mouth condition is a chronic one. How on earth is someone who can’t put two sentences together that don’t contradict each other, the leader of a party?
These people make a local yokel Senator, Pauline Hanson, look polished. As thick as Pauline is (this is in Australia), she knows how to stay on track.
Her largesse with the UK taxpayer’s money might be the thing that sees her career over, if the UK ends up paying some hideous amount to the EU and it would be deserved.
I think I actually heard her argue for the entire process of Brexit to begin again. That would be sadistic. But I think all Remainers have proven that they are.

Brendan’s adjectives re their behaviour, their demeanour, it can’t be emphasised enough. We were watching children, gleeful, reckless, drunk on power.
I think the prorogation has actually become a good thing, even if one disagrees with it as a tool of government. How many more of these punitive laws would be getting argued for? What else would they come up with to intensify the orgy?
They have also shown as politicians what they would be like in Government. That was a snapshot, right there. Willing to throw the book out for the gratification in the moment.
That Shetland Pony has a vicious kick. Blackford… His hypocrisy knows no bounds. He stands there, shocked to discover people see him as Tim Roth and not Liam Neeson, so therefore everyone has to watch their words. Two minutes later, he delivers a long, loooooong speech, saturated with the rhetoric he’s just condemned the government for. Boris may not tell the truth and use the word “surrender”. That’s incitement for people to see him for what he is. Gotta try and turn that around with traditional anti-democratic tools. Censorship. You may not say that word.
But he began his trot around the ring with Pericles. I guess if he’s been doing this for years, he’s run out of lines from Braveheart.
He then goes on to contradict his own new rule and its all about threat and attack, dark days and obstruction, its a constitutional crisis, falling off the cliff edge, things are ripped up, shredded, its a cult, despicable, assault on democracy (he’s a comedian, like they all are), its the biggest con, fake news, cloak and dagger, strangling and gagging, desperate times, the stakes are “too high”, the government must be stopped, ripped out of the broken UK, shabby shady stunts, the government is breaking the law, dictatorship. Over and over.
My favourite is when he went quieter. Paused. “Be very careful. Be very careful. Do not obstruct the rule of law.”
Aside from who is violating the passing of Article 50, the threat in his voice. The desire to stand over the government and warn them…
And then the little horror gets up and does it all over again, telling everyone that they must watch incitement. Alludes to poor Jo Cox which means he must be right. In the race to the bottom, the pony is a Derby winner.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:03 pm

And what’s wrong with this comment? Again, nothing different to everything else I write.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:11 pm

Ah, the censorship conundrum has been answered. The paragraph where I take all the words from Blackford’s speech, and name the person he alluded to, has been blocked.
So… a politician who has just censured the parliament’s freedom of expression, when I’ve used the words he then goes on to use, just literally a grab bag of his terms, like “attack” and “desperate times”, his speech can’t get past an algorithm to censor inappropriate language.

Well, well, well, well, well.

I’ve just run an interesting experiment, haven’t I?

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:04 pm

I watched the entire broadcast and I double everything Brendan has said. It just went on and on, the same lines, over and over, the outrage, the indignation, the megalomania.
Its interesting that the only measured voices were Leavers.
The Redwood bloke, when Vicky Pollard’s posher cousin was speaking, the grave points he was trying to make – almost a plea for her to understand , you are putting your country in an untenable position… you want to move house, but to do so, you are demolishing the home you are leaving.
The way you could see when he said, the EU could demand billions of dollars and your legislation has decreed that he may not disagree with that, that they have written a blank cheque to the EU… it threw her. Why? They do know the consequences of their actions, don’t they? They did think about that when they were in their hot-houses of plotting?
I see Swinson’s foot and mouth condition is a chronic one. How on earth is someone who can’t put two sentences together that don’t contradict each other, the leader of a party?

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:05 pm

These people make a local yokel Senator, Pauline Hanson, look polished. As thick as Pauline is (this is in Australia), she knows how to stay on track.
Her largesse with the UK taxpayer’s money might be the thing that sees her career over, if the UK ends up paying some hideous amount to the EU and it would be deserved.
I think I actually heard her argue for the entire process of Brexit to begin again. That would be sadistic. But I think all Remainers have proven that they are.
Brendan’s adjectives re their behaviour, their demeanour, it can’t be emphasised enough. We were watching children, gleeful, reckless, drunk on power.
I think the prorogation has actually become a good thing, even if one disagrees with it as a tool of government. How many more of these punitive laws would be getting argued for? What else would they come up with to intensify the orgy?

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:07 pm

They have also shown as politicians what they would be like in Government. That was a snapshot, right there. Willing to throw the book out for the gratification in the moment.
That Shetland Pony has a vicious kick. Blackford… His hypocrisy knows no bounds. He stands there, shocked to discover people see him as Tim Roth and not Liam Neeson, so therefore everyone has to watch their words. Two minutes later, he delivers a long, loooooong speech, saturated with the rhetoric he’s just condemned the government for. Boris may not tell the truth and use the word “surrender”. That’s incitement for people to see him for what he is. Gotta try and turn that around with traditional anti-democratic tools. Censorship. You may not say that word.
But he began his trot around the ring with Pericles. I guess if he’s been doing this for years, he’s run out of lines from Braveheart.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:08 pm

He then goes on to contradict his own new rule and its all about threat and attack, dark days and obstruction, its a constitutional crisis, falling off the cliff edge, things are ripped up, shredded, its a cult, despicable, assault on democracy (he’s a comedian, like they all are), its the biggest con, fake news, cloak and dagger, strangling and gagging, desperate times, the stakes are “too high”, the government must be stopped, ripped out of the broken UK, shabby shady stunts, the government is breaking the law, dictatorship. Over and over.
My favourite is when he went quieter. Paused. “Be very careful. Be very careful. Do not obstruct the rule of law.”
Aside from who is violating the passing of Article 50, the threat in his voice. The desire to stand over the government and warn them…
And then the little horror gets up and does it all over again, telling everyone that they must watch incitement. Alludes to poor Jo Cox which means he must be right. In the race to the bottom, the pony is a Derby winner.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:18 pm

In the race to the bottom, this pony is a Derby winner.

Andrew Leonard

10th September 2019 at 2:25 pm

Occupy Westminster

A Game

10th September 2019 at 1:51 pm

I’m hoping in the wash in the media, or social media, there is real concern about this Dominic Grieve’s campaign for revenge going after Yellow Hammer.
What I am watching is really frightening.
You have this politician (and as the magic of being special (a politician) slowly seeps out of him, he’s looking more like that gammon the Remainers love so much – is that your fate when you stop being special?) who helped destroy his parliamentary party, his party’s government, who has joined in in trying to permanently ruin Boris as PM (which all the traitor 21 crowd have done in their dummy-spit), perhaps Boris as an MP, too – you know, if I’m going down, I’m bringing at least you, Boris, with me), who have never once voted with their government since, even as they incessantly campaign to be allowed back (you’d eat green, slimey meat before you’d ever do that), whose position as a Remainer has meant working with the EU against his country’s interests, is now demanding to see sensitive government planning. So he can what?

The UK has Enemies of the State. Yeah, most of them are in the parliament, that’s as clear as day, but there are also the ones who don’t settle for handing their government over on a platter to the EU.
Standing there, waxy and red and shattered, this POS in every way, is leading for the publication of (and it being handed over to him, the parliament, that means publication) of their Country’s weak spots in supply in incredibly important areas, what measures are in place to counter that, and what the supply chain is for when they do need to call on them. Also, who they are buying them from.
They are so obsessed with winning, in this Thing’s strategy with Yellowhammer even more so, which was supported, of course, by the Remainers, without batting an eye, because this is all fun and games, they are truly now in dangerous territory.
The plane sits on the tarmac in India, packed with pharmaceuticals to fill a gap that’s emerging… any ideas, Enemy of the UK? There are lots more that could be added, but I think people get the point.
That the people of the UK are being made so vulnerable by wilful sabotage, for poltical strategy (all just to overturn a referendum), you can only hope the HoL finally let some common sense kick in, some sanity, some RESPONSIBILITY and that the Remainer attitude of “no price too high” has found its limit on this one. Truly.
And that its driven by this… person.
And by the look of him, am I the only one who’s thinking an intervention might be necessary? I mean, if he was a pilot, I’d be talking to the airline and saying I think Grievey is cracking up and probably shouldn’t be pushing tin for a month or two.
He has the self destructive look of someone who can’t be… trusted. His Yellowhammer tactic is a pretty good indication that he’s now dangerous. (And all coming from a place of thwarted entitlement. Shows the contempt for democracy, all over again. In a democracy, no MP should ever think they have a right to their “job”. Not a single one of them. Ever.)
That that parliament voted for it, that they think its GREAT to make every single one of them (and Remainer stupidity, once again, clueless that this stuff doesn’t just do over the little people, they are affected by contingency plans and supply as well – doesn’t matter if its just the folk of the UK) a prey animal, and did so, you could see, without even thinking about it, shows what fools they are, drunk on power.

Nathan Jessop gets the last word on this one: You just weakened your country today.

Stef Steer

10th September 2019 at 1:43 pm

Last night was actually a fair representation of our elite. They are the people in charge, they don’t really care about anything except power, they will twist any word, action, custom or institution to get what they want, they will use emotional blackmail the more dramatic and extreme the better to get what they want, if they can play the victim then even better. If you ever question their motives or methods or reasoning then you will receive a tirade of abuse, smears and anger.

Terence Ballard

10th September 2019 at 2:03 pm

They feel sorry for themselves, people have shouted abuse at the poor lambs.

If you don’t want to be held in contempt then don’t act in a contemptible way.

Stephen J

10th September 2019 at 1:40 pm

Well put Brendan. When their behaviour is related as a timeline in the way that you have done here, their full venality is revealed, in all its glory.

I differ in one area…

Perhaps what we really need is a general erection…

We need to erect a scaffold.

Jeanne Moreau would have been 91.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 1:16 pm

Banker Brexit, and I just read that Jez is talking up Boz’s rich friends, but Corbyn actually stood there, boasting, actually boasting, you know, righteousness being on his side, in parliament, that No Deal is opposed by “every business group, every industry group, every trade union…”
So… which one is it?

It’s really scary how the Remainers can’t keep a straight line of logic and approach. Its literally changed, hour to hour. What was said yesterday doesn’t count today, just always the cheap shot in the moment, for that moment’s cheer and power. That its a contradiction… meh.
Is this what happens when people have been luxuriating in a lack of critical analysis from the media?
Is this what happens when for three years you’ve tried to overturn a referendum result by using the argument that you are a champion of democracy, that the people’s voice MUST be heard? Have they forgotten what a straight line of truth is?
It was seen, over and over, the tall, scrappy bloke near the end that went on for a bit… what made it so uncomfortable, as he toed the Remainer line, used all the double speak arguments, that his constituency’s voice matters, that what people want, matters – you know, the patter, but I think he actually thought it was true, what he was saying. Anyone following Brexit… every time they use their props of propaganda, you know they are just banging on, point scoring, selling the lie designed to make them re-elected after they have ignored people’s vote. You know, how to buff a tur d.
But some of them haven’t gotten that memo. They are the more worrying ones, Corb’s face shows it having to listen to them actually believe what they are saying… he knows its a line… why don’t they?

I think Spiked need to add to their list of reforms. Compulsory voting. Start with an age group, which forevermore kicks in for them thereafter, say 20 – 60 year olds… and eventually its extended outward.
There is a lack of information flow between these MPs and parliament and when they are back home. There’s something disconnected between the two. They get to be two different people.

I also get the impression (and ya know, I’m never going to bag Australian pollies again for boring me, or being on the average side) that UK politics has been dumbed down. I think being in the EU, for which most of them that would be the only system they’ve known (and why they’d cling), they have no skill for any nuance. Its just the same thing, over and over, the same words, the same handle, they have no skills anymore attained from arguing and legislating every detail of your country’s laws and policies.
Down-skilled politicians. Parliament is a soap box and nothing more.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 3:02 pm

What’s wrong with this comment? Why in moderation. No different to anything else I write.

Michael Lynch

10th September 2019 at 1:07 pm

What happened last night was pure doublethink in action; I am absolutely right in my conviction even though, by the laws of reason and logic, I am profoundly wrong.

Jane 70

10th September 2019 at 12:54 pm

How can one describe this bunch of impostors? The theatre of the absurd; a ship of fools.

We are being held back by Remainers
This embarassing bunch of no brainers,
We voted to leave,
This has left them aggrieved,
Time to be rid of these flamers.

Jerry Owen

10th September 2019 at 12:21 pm

The televised anarchy in the Commons last night was a disgrace. To see the spectacle of a female MP giving the five knuckle shuffle hand gesture televised for the world to see is on a par with Heseltine grabbing the mace and shaking it. Detestable.
There are peoples around the globe that look to this country for help .. God knows what they think, their hopes of help from a supposedly functioning democracy must be dashed. I am embarrassed personally.
How dare any of these ‘politicians’ ever criticize any non functioning democracy anywhere in the world ever again.
Bring back the laws for treason.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 5:39 pm

There are people around the globe profoundly struck at how terrified these politicians (and, well, watching them in action, they are probably right) are of actually being responsible for their country. How much sovereignty scares them – and we can see the lengths they are willing to go to to avoid having anything to do with it.
That staying in the EU will mean people will have money and jobs and food on the table and never face austerity again, because Daddy Tusk will get it done. Or his replacement? Which one is it? The failed egg head with a criminal conviction or the German Defence Minister who is, what, under-appreciated by her people?
Its so strange.
My country, with our little friend to the southeast side, New Zealand, stand alone in the world. We make our own laws, legislate regulations to help and protect and, well, regulate.
And we’re doing really well. We eat and go to work, and watch telly and enjoy our sport, especially cricket… and we vote every single time we are asked, local, state and federal elections (that would be the compulsory voting – marvellous thing. It brings the community together. Seriously. Its like people eyeball each other as fellow citizens on election days, before going back to seeing each other as obstacles to a parking spot or a delay in a checkout queue. Anyone heard of a “democracy sausage”?)
They are heaping scorn upon their house and their people and their country. And especially themselves, as individual politicians.
They have sent a very emphatic message to the world that the UK, in a crisis, cannot be relied upon, will undermine any resolve, will revoke any promises, and obviously should be the army that now wears brown.
Tally ho.

When the grizzled (wealthy) commie actually brought up the orange gangsta, it was crystal clear how unsophisticated the UK now is.
Trump gets a maximum of 8 years. Then he’s gone forever. The US obviously kicks on and who knows who will then be President. But he is declaring that the UK must stay put to avoid a flowery, orange embrace… that the opportunities to increase the UK’s wealth via freer trade and bigger marketplace – literally, the world only being your limit, with a handsome currency which means the UK can buy a lot more for the same amount – wheat from Australia, even if the pound drops, will be cheaper than Euro wheat and that goes for NZ lamb and Thai pineapple (though I say buy Australian – its darker, richer) and Nicaraguan bananas (though I say buy Australian, though I dont’ know if they are better, only eat Australian ones) etc etc, must be shut down for at least another… 5 years, if the SNP are anything to go by, that seems to be when its time to have another go, and if the EU can last that long, because of the current President. Who may not get a second term anyway. So in one year’s time, he might be gone…
The short sightedness of it is has the rest of the world amazed. Leaders come, leaders go… the trade continues.
The way he spat out the “US” as well… who’s the xenophobe? It was striking in how ugly it was. A whole country written off in one go. (Who voted for the other candidate by over 3 million).
This bloke will ask people to make him PM. That’s his attitude towards bettering his country? I hate Trump so the UK can stay poor with GDP static at the 1%. But it doesn’t matter, cause I’ll keep talking up how much I care about poverty. (New campaign. Jezza’s “Words for hunger pains”.) I’ll talk about jobs and “de industrialisation” (which we know he likes, he’s very fond of green projects), whilst I shut the door to possibility and demand to stay with the father that won’t let me have the tools required to reform British industry – like steel.
Everyone around the world hears the inconsistencies, just not Remainers.

They are taking such an awful advantage of the lowest common denominator approach to poliltics being in the EU has allowed. Because they are off the hook, all the time, unlike other countries, from the news about what’s happening with trade, GDP, domestic productivity, wages, housing market all that stuff that dominates other countries’ dialogue, because they will be voting on this stuff and the performance of their government in navigating said country’s path in the world and it will matter. The buck stops with the government. There is no waving it onto some higher power.
This lack of awareness is bizarre.
Its probably also why Brexit has turned into a nightmare. They’re trying to use chopsticks for the first time being only accustomed to forks. They have no idea how to steer their country, drive their country forward. The one thing to be implemented, as a nation… well… the world can see how they conduct themselves, and worryingly, because they know no other way. They are ignorant.

Phil Ford

10th September 2019 at 11:25 am

Perhaps the sole consolation in al of this wretched affair is that when the British people finally get the chance to have their say, one way or another, it seems increasingly likely that all of those who have so wilfully opposed the result of the UK’s biggest-ever democratic exercise will be punished (again) by the very democratic process they so disingenuously claim to be representing. Those of us who voted for – and won – Brexit three years ago have been remarkably patient. The ballot box will, I sincerely hope, prove itself not just resilient to this malevolent, sustained attack, but ultimately triumphant. This is how a true democracy wins. And this, above all else, is what terrifies those who have done all they can to sabotage it.

A Game

10th September 2019 at 5:52 pm

Poor Leavers. Begging to be allowed to grow up. Remainers want to remain 😉 as children forever. On Daddy Bercow’s lap. (It was a clamour. Imagine if he put a Santa hat on… it would have been bedlam.)

Jim Lawrie

10th September 2019 at 10:47 am

All of what you say is true Mr O’Neill.

They are laughing at us.

They think themselves so clever.

They have registered millions of migrants to vote. With these they will achieve the 17.5m target they set themselves. We will be told that the entire turnout of the next referendum voted for a deal, and that the best deal is to remain as we are.

It is the town hall elite who organise and control the counting. They won’t slip up like last time. They have their people in place. Parliament has signalled to them all that the ends justify the means, that rules mean nothing. We must destroy our ballot papers, so they cannot be falsified.

Unfortunately, Mr O’Neill, coming at this from a position of trust and honesty means one hand tied behind your back.

We need a massive vote for either UKIP or The Brexit Party.

Form the son ‘Selling England by the pound’;

There’s a fat old lady, outside the saloon
laying out the credit cards, she plays Fortune
The deck is uneven, right from the start
And all of their hands are playing apart

Michael Lynch

10th September 2019 at 12:24 pm

Couldn’t agree more, Jim. This is now an all out fight between those who believe in the will of the people and those who don’t. I doubt Labour can pull of the postal vote swiz in all of their constituencies. Unless, miraculously, certain ethnic populations double in size during the count! As you have previously suggested, the way out is for the Tories and the BP to work out a seat by seat strategy.

Jim Lawrie

10th September 2019 at 3:57 pm

Michael I was thinking of a future referendum.
Take away the migrant vote and the result is 55/45 to Leave.

What they dread is a high turnout.
Immediately after the referendum the call for another vote stopped when they realised that little more could be squeezed out of the remain vote in terms of turnout, and that the opposite was true of the Leave vote.

John Hamilton

10th September 2019 at 10:27 am

A democratically elected Parliament is ‘illegitimate’ for not bowing to the blustering folly of an unpleasantly bullying PM elected by 0.36% of the electorate? Honestly, spiked has really lost the plot. 17.4 million did not vote for a no-deal Brexit (well, not all of them, anyway). On what basis does Brendan claim to speak for ‘the People’ against their elected representatives?

Jerry Owen

10th September 2019 at 2:45 pm

John Hamilton
PMs are not elected by the public.. do keep up !
17.4 million won the referendum.. to LEAVE the EU.
You lost.

John Hamilton

10th September 2019 at 4:00 pm

>PMs are not elected by the public.. do keep up !17.4 million won the referendum.. to LEAVE the EU.<

But even putting 'LEAVE' in capitals, 17.4 million did not vote to Leave with No Deal. This proposition has never been put to the people in a referendum.

John Hamilton

10th September 2019 at 4:02 pm

>PMs are not elected by the public.. do keep up !<

Johnson was elected by the Tory Party membership = approx. 0.36% of the electorate.

Jerry Owen

10th September 2019 at 5:47 pm

John Hamilton
Why do you keep blathering on at how BJ was elected , all PMs are elected by the party they belong to ?
Leave means leave .. it doesn’t mean leave with a deal. We were told repeatedly if we voted leave we would leave the single market and customs union.
Your arguments are so tedious… guess what .. you lost get over it !!

Jerry Owen

10th September 2019 at 5:47 pm

John Hamilton
Try moving into the present era .

John Hamilton

10th September 2019 at 7:06 pm

>Leave means leave .. it doesn’t mean leave with a deal.<

And it doesn't mean leave without a deal. That's the problem. For what it's worth, I seem to remember that the Leave campaign insisted that we could leave and still enjoy virtually frictionless trade with the EU. And this would require a deal, which, we are assured, would be the easier trade deal in history (since we are already aligned with EU product standards). Since the referendum, Leavers have shifted their position to a more uncompromising one, and now say that Leave means Leave with no deal. But they cannot credibly claim that this is what people actually voted for in 2016.

Jerry Owen

10th September 2019 at 9:08 pm

John Hamilton
Three years on and you still whinge and wine like some petulant child. It’s quite funny really !

Peter Parker

10th September 2019 at 3:10 pm

Two false premises and a baseless assertion John. Parliament is being controlled by MPs acting against the manifesto’s they were elected on (which makes their position and actions illegitimate). Refusing to hold an election to give the people a say while holding the sitting executive hostage, is undemocratic and not a little despotic. Finally, how on earth do you claim to know what was in the minds of one leave voter let alone 17.4m? Answer of course, you don’t.

Even if you don’t agree, the argument from Brendon is sound and will take more than this feeble attempt to rebut it.

John Hamilton

10th September 2019 at 3:56 pm

My point is how does Brendan claim to know what is in the minds of 17.4 million people? Brendan simply assumes that they all agree with him that the WA is ‘not really Brexit’, and thus constantly claims he is on the side of ‘the People’ in pushing for no deal. Let us imagine that there is a second referendum with the following two questions:

(1) Do you want Britain to leave the EU or remain in the EU?

(2) If Britain leaves the EU, do you think Britain should leave with no deal or with the WA?

I don’t know what the result of the first question would be, but I am pretty sure that the result of the second question would be a majority to leave with the WA, since all the Remainers would prefer it to no deal, and even a tiny portion of Leavers wanting the WA would make that into a majority.

So Brendan simply cannot claim to represent ‘the People’ when he pushes for a no deal Brexit. Even if you believe that a majority would want to leave the EU with no deal, this is a proposition which has never been tested in a referendum, so we just don’t know.

Peter Parker

11th September 2019 at 10:41 am

John Hamilton @ 3.59pm 10/09

Brendan doesn’t claim to know what was in the minds of 17.4m people, just what was on the Ballot Paper. Leave or Remain. The rest of your response was again more baseless assumptions about what you imagine people think or would do. However, by raising the second referendum ‘thought exercise’ you demonstrate your idea of democracy is one that give you results that agree with you.

John Hamilton

12th September 2019 at 8:26 pm

>Brendan doesn’t claim to know what was in the minds of 17.4m people, just what was on the Ballot Paper. Leave or Remain.<

But that's precisely my point. The alternatives were Leave or Remain, not Leave Without a Deal, or Remain. Brendan's notion that he can speak for 'the People' in advocating a no deal Brexit is therefore baseless. The purpose of my thought experiment was to draw attention to the fact that it is highly unlikely that a no deal Brexit enjoys majority support, either now or in 2016.

SNJ Morgan

12th September 2019 at 5:30 am

In John Hamilton’s (convenient) scenario, because the referendum only asked the two questions ‘Leave’ or ‘Remain’, and us ignoramuses voted to Leave, we now should have to answer several more questions:

1) Did we really mean it?

2) If we did, did we mean to:

A) Leave with a Deal?

Or

B) Leave without a deal?

Of course, if the Remainers had won (as expected) there would be no further questions asked. For example:

1) Did you REALLY mean Remain?

2) If you did, did you mean for us:

A) To remain without any changes to our membership of the EU?

Or

B) Ask for changes that would make our membership more beneficial to us?

No, no further questions would have necessary. The hypocrisy is writ large.

John Hamilton

12th September 2019 at 8:18 pm

You are simply not engaging with the argument. I was not advocating a second referendum. I was putting forward a thought experiment to bring home the fact that there is no democratic mandate to pursue a no deal Brexit. A majority did not vote for no deal, and I don’t think that a no deal Brexit would command majority support now. In any case, the proposition has never been tested. So there is nothing ‘democratic’ about a no deal Brexit, and those, such as myself, who think that the UK should leave with a deal are neither undemocratic nor an ‘elite’ nor traitors nor anything else. But it was obviously a mistake for me to suppose that one could have a rational discussion with Brexit fanatics, so who cares?

SNJ Morgan

13th September 2019 at 4:18 am

What planet are you on? What is difficult to understand that there were only two questions on the ballot – Leave or Remain? It’s crystal clear what the mandate is / was.

Sorry, but don’t waste everyone’s time with this nonsense. You are either for democracy or you are not. And if the latter, be prepared to pay an enormous price.

David Webb

10th September 2019 at 10:05 am

Bring back the death penalty for Treason!

A Game

10th September 2019 at 2:52 pm

I hear Hammond is the go-to guy for that one. You know, that amazingly nice, sweet person who has been so callously, unjustly treated.

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