If Trump is Hitler, then Obama was Hitler too

Why is Trump’s treatment of migrants ‘fascism’ but Obama’s wasn’t?

Brendan O'Neill
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Under the Obama administration, hundreds of migrants died every year at the Mexican-US border. Thousands were detained in camps. Children were detained in those camps, too. The average daily population of these detention centres was between 30,000 and 40,000. Children were often the first to be cast out of the country – as one report put it, the border authorities moved unaccompanied children to ‘the head of the line’ for deportation. More undocumented migrants were deported by the Obama administration than by any previous administration. One critic called Obama ‘the most stringent enforcer of immigration laws in American history’.

So, was Barack Obama Hitler? Was that fascism?

To see the double standards, the hypocrisy, the staggering lack of principle in contemporary radical politics, look no further than the discussion of the immigration crisis in the US. As a result of his immigration policies, President Trump is being branded fascistic, the architect of ‘concentration camps’, someone who has, in the words of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, failed to heed the message of ‘Never Again’ – that is, he’s doing something eerily and dreadfully similar to what the Nazis did in the 1930s.

And yet Obama did all these things too. Where were those people back then? They were on their comfortable college campuses or in their swanky New York or London bars, and the 47,000 minors apprehended by the US authorities as they crossed the border in the US in the first eight months of 2014 alone – some of whom were as young as three – never crossed their minds.

Or if they did cross their minds, perhaps fleetingly stirring their dormant morality as they perused their New York Times over a Shake Shack lunch, they didn’t call it fascism. They didn’t compare Obama to Hitler. They didn’t say, ‘This is like the 1930s’. AOC didn’t trek to the processing centres in which children were being crammed into cells and were sleeping under rough blankets and allow a photographer to capture her weeping, as she did with Trump’s detention centres last year. Those painfully staged photos, these much-tweeted, much-cheered displays of hollow virtue, have been shared widely today. And yet they raise an embarrassing and pressing question, not only for AOC but for all of those horrified by Trump’s apparently Hitlerian treatment of migrants – where were your tears when Obama did this?

A horrible photo of a man and his daughter who drowned while crossing the Rio Grande between Mexico and the US has been widely published today. It’s on the front page of the London Evening Standard, which refers to the image as ‘The picture that shames America’. It is held up as proof of Trump’s wickedness. But again that question rises up – why are you more horrified by this death than you were by the thousands of migrant deaths under Obama?

Migrant deaths just over the border in the US have been rising since the mid-1990s and especially during the Obama administration. So in 1996, there were at least 87 deaths of migrants within the US border. In 2012, the year Obama was re-elected, to the whoops and cheers of liberals across the West, there were at least 463. In total, 7,216 people died crossing the US-Mexico border between 1998 and 2017. Where were the frontpage headlines? Why weren’t there massive marches when Obama visited London? Why was there no talk of ‘America’s shame’ or ‘America’s concentration camps’?

The answer to this question is as straightforward as it is disturbing. It’s because the current discussion isn’t really driven by a concern for migrants. Rather, it is driven by an exhausted left’s urge to find an issue on which it might successfully harm its political opponents and, even more importantly, demonstrate its own presumed virtue. The thoroughness with which contemporary radicals reduce every issue to an opportunity for political point-scoring and virtuous public preening is summed up in their sudden, cynical discovery that bad things happen on the Mexico-US border.

Numerous questions are thrown up by the Mexico-US border problem. A key one, which very few of Trump’s critics want to address, is the issue of national sovereignty. Surely it is the right of a nation to determine who may enter the country and how they may do so? The contemporary cult of erasing borders, promoted by everyone from Brussels suits to the supposedly liberal chattering classes, can be seen as an attempt to undermine the idea of the nation itself, and the thing that the nation embodies: the right of a people democratically to determine their country’s affairs and policies, including on immigration. Another question raised by this crisis – and this is one Trump’s supporters don’t want to address – is how civilised nations treat migrants who cross their borders without permission. Surely they should be treated in a dignified way, even if they are simultaneously being processed, tried, and prepared for deportation back to their country of origin? Reports of detained migrants in US detention centres lacking such basics as toothbrushes and blankets are extremely concerning.

And a broader question is raised by all this; a question about the state of Western politics in general. Principle and morality seem to have disappeared. Instead, everything is reduced to a shallow Culture War game of moralistic oneupmanship. This is where those AOC photos become important. The way in which, today, this has been turned into a story about her, and about how virtuous she is, is actually grotesque. The narcissism is staggering. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that for her and many other Trump-haters, those detained migrants are little more than props in their own moral drama about themselves and their virtue and decency.

All the time these days, serious political issues – in this case, the issues of borders, democracy and how we treat migrants – are reduced to shallow, soapbox-style opportunities for observers to hysterically denounce politicians they hate and to narcissistically display their own presumed goodness.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

Michael Freeman

29th June 2019 at 12:08 pm

What a laugh ! That photo is quite obviously posed. How on earth are we supposed to believe that the child died, face down, with its arm around the shoulders of its father, who has also died, face down, and both remained in that pose, as they presumably floated into the shallows (quite apart from the point made above, by the expert fisher-outer, regarding the sinking and gas-forming and later surfacing mechanism)? I haven’t read all the comments yet, but why hasn’t that fact been widely publicised yet? There’s no need to defend the President: more fake news.

Jerry Owen

29th June 2019 at 4:43 pm

I commented elsewhere , this photo is eerily similar to the little boy Alayn ( the media called him Alan in most cases ) laid out straight and face down on a beach.
Despicable really.

michael gryzna

28th June 2019 at 5:03 pm

I’m not entirely convinced by the Rio Grande photo. In my experience, (10 years of pulling drowning victims from the Thames), that is not how a typical drowning presents. When you drown your body sinks to the bottom, only rising to the surface again when the gases of putrefaction buoy your body sufficiently. That process can take a few days, or a few weeks, depending on the water temperature. Rio Grande water temperature is presently c.18 degrees C. It is stretching credulity that these two bodies were found in less than 24 hours. And a drowned body floats much lower in the water than in the photo. Anti Trump stitch up?

David Redfern

28th June 2019 at 5:58 pm

Thank you for the informed observation.

John Holmes

27th June 2019 at 6:52 pm

Every time I hear the regressive left discuss Saint Obama, it’s like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain…”yeah, but no. Like Obama was way cooler. Like he was proper good for tv innit. Oh shut up…racist”.

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 3:23 am

Without question the biggest liar I’ve ever seen in Public Life, and that includes Putin.

Jack Matthews

27th June 2019 at 12:59 pm

My paternal grandfather fled Brussels in June 1940. It took him over four months to reach New York City via ship from Lisbon. During those four months, he lived in constant fear for his life, was run ragged and badly treated, paying bribes to officials at border crossings, sleeping where he could, eating whatever gracious people would offer him. He had 50 dollars stitched in his clothing(50 dollars being one of the requirements to obtain a visa). By some miracle, he obtained his visa in Lisbon. 79 years later, my family and I still remember how lucky we are that he made it. We also remember how refugees were greeted in the USA at that time: hostility, accusations of being spies for the Nazis. He had never left Belgium before, did not speak a word of English and was now in a country he didn’t know. Every time I hear about somebody dieing at the US border or in the Mediterranean, I think of my grandfather. He too told me that he would have done anything to reach American shores. The tragedies unfolding at the southern border are partly due to US policy in Central and South America that are decades old. I would say that we need to fix that, but I fear that the car has crashed off the road long ago resulting in a steady stream of refugees that will not be stopping in the foreseeable future. As a result my family has fought and litigated against the immigration policies of GW Bush, Obama and today, Trump. We do so to honor my deceased grandfather and will continue to do so until we too pass away.

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 8:55 pm

Lovely bit if history.. but that is all it is. Times have changed. Sentimentality is a flawed concept sometimes.

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 3:20 am

Economic migration isn’t the same as persecution by fascists.

Gloria Britanniæ

28th June 2019 at 3:40 pm

Why did your grandfather not join the Free Belgian Forces and help to liberate his country? Or stay in Belgium to resist the occupation as part of the Résistance belge / Belgisch verze?

Belgians left their country and served honourably on land, sea and air. At least 28 Belgians flew in the Battle of Britain, and eventually 1,200 Belgians served in the RAF in WW2. Forming the Royal Navy Section Belge, they supplied enough sailors to crew two corvettes to contribute to the Battle of the Atlantic, as well as a number of smaller vessels. The army components included the Brigade Piron, which landed in France on 8 August 1944 and fought through France and Belgium, reaching Holland by November; other Belgians served as commandos and paratroopers. Meanwhile, an estimated 70,000 Belgians were active in the Resistance, an estimated 19,048 of them dying before the war’s end.

Not really sure how much moral authority your grandfather has here.

(Primary source: Veranneman, Jean-Michel. (2014) ‘Belgium in the Second World War.’)

Jack Matthews

28th June 2019 at 4:40 pm

My grandfather was barely 13 at the time. After two years of schooling, he obtained a scholarship at a military academy. As soon as he finished high school, a few weeks before his eighteenth birthday, he enlisted in the armed forces. He served for one year in occupied Germany. So spare me your little history lesson.

Jerry Owen

1st July 2019 at 11:49 am

Good post.

Gloria Britanniæ

28th June 2019 at 7:40 pm

Jack, I’m not a mindreader, so spare me your pomposity. You failed to provide relevant information, that’s on you. And don’t dismiss the sacrifice of brave Belgians because it conflicts with the narrative you’re trying to push.

And also, don’t shield your opinions with the actions and experiences of others: their lives belonged to them, not you. There is nothing impressive about your argument of: ‘Someone else—someone not me—did something, so you all must listen to me as I counsel destroying the West.’ Ain’t falling for that.

Jerry Owen

1st July 2019 at 11:50 am

Gloria
You have shown him up for what he thinks he is. Self important

Amelia Cantor

27th June 2019 at 12:58 pm

Utter nonsense from O’Neill yet again. Obama was embedding a politics of compassion, appointing many judges and officials who are now at the front line of resistance to the Orange Narcissist and Rapist-in-Chief. Obama also set a giant example to communities of colour of what could be achieved in the United States, despite its long and tragic history of white supremacism and racism.

So, no, the only Hitler is Trump.

“All the time these days, serious political issues – in this case, the issues of borders, democracy and how we treat migrants – are reduced to shallow, soapbox-style opportunities for observers to hysterically denounce politicians they hate and to narcissistically display their own presumed goodness.”

We can only treat migrants as they deserve when we end hate speech and jail those who use it against the vulture. Or justify its use, as Spiked have been doing, year in, year out, for a very long time.

Neil McCaughan

27th June 2019 at 5:19 pm

If you keep clutching your pearls like that, you’ll break the string.

Amelia Cantor

1st July 2019 at 11:47 am

A typically inventive response from a highly original right-wing mind. I don’t think.

There’s no “pearl-clutching” in what I said. And consider the sexism of the term “pearl-clutching”. Not that you will, of course. If you had the ability to consider things, or think in any way at all, you wouldn’t be on the right.

John Holmes

27th June 2019 at 6:48 pm

Please provide us with these examples of “hate speech”.

Amelia Cantor

1st July 2019 at 11:39 am

There’s this thing called a web-search. It will provide you with countless examples of Trump’s racism, sexism and Islamophobia.

Neil Gibbs

27th June 2019 at 8:03 pm

Obama deported 3 million people over an 8 year period ,broke the record for the number of bombs dropped and drone strikes.What a compassionate human being he is.
Your post reads like SJWs for dummies.
You drop in all the usual leftist cliches and probably hyperventilated when you hit the post button.The description Titania MCGrath made of Munroe Bergdorf ( no doubt a hero , oops , heroine of yours)in her book “Woke” probably sums you up!

Jerry Owen

1st July 2019 at 10:20 pm

Amelia Cantor
You cannot provide us evidence of Trump’s racism . So you try the old one of ‘ look it up yourself’ you lost your argument.

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 8:59 pm

More blacks (and other minorities) employed under Trump than Obama.
Oh dear , blown your histrionics out of the water in one !
Why do you think Trump got such a large ethnic vote?

Amin Readh

27th June 2019 at 9:49 pm

Ah… oh you are so easily led aren’t you. Shall I not even bother to ask for proof?

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 3:28 am

Amelia Cantnor

Do you see the whites as supreme because they..you know, like built the nation?

Is your post a high form of satire?

David Redfern

28th June 2019 at 6:12 pm

“the Orange Narcissist and Rapist-in-Chief.”

You people just can’t stop yourselves. No such thing as a civilised discussion from the left. It all comes down to who can dream up the most hurtful personal insult imaginable.

Discussing politics with most casual lefty WOKE observers is like dealing with enraged toddlers.

Utterly pathetic.

Gerard Barry

1st July 2019 at 4:38 pm

America is obsessed with race. You need to focus on what you have in common, not what separates you. As for Trump being “racist, sexist and misogynist” (surely among the most overused words in the English language at the moment): you must really have led a sheltered life if you think that Trump is any more racist, sexist or misogynist than the average person. I’ve certainly met plenty of people with more objectionable views than Trump over the years, many of them American Democrat voters.

Neil McCaughan

27th June 2019 at 12:39 pm

The cruellest thing is to allow unwanted and uninvited migrants to think that will succeed in invading a country. Tony Abbott saved a great many lives by vigorously repelling illegal immigrants in Operation Sovereign Borders. Certain that they would never reach Australia numbers attempting the sea passage fell dramatically, and as a result, so did casualties.

Half measures are always a mistake. Donald Trump is right – the best way to avoid a repetition is to build that wall. Anything else would be inhumane.

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 3:43 am

Not only that, but he stymied the further introduction of those with the anti-western ideology, even as the green-nazi’s continue to fight it.

Fine point, and it’s also important to note that rhese people are Never fleeing anywhere where Christian Protestantism is in place, but rather corrupt hellholes. Diabolical attempt at the destruction of Nationhood.

Phil Ford

27th June 2019 at 11:06 am

Trump isn’t Hitler – nor was Obama. We all know why one is called Hitler and the other never was. This is what happens when students are radicalized over several generations. A poverty of historical context is developed – knowingly, deliberately – across time.

Despite socialism’s incredibly murderous history – spanning almost the entirety of the last century – somehow, today, young people view Nazism (an ideology which lasted barely more than a decade-and-a-half and which has been dead and buried for 70 years) as a clear and present danger. This strikes me as both illogical and patently untrue – particularly as communism (the much bigger evil of the two, if we’re going to start counting piles of bodies) is still a living, breathing ideology around the world. The people of North Korea are still held hostage, as a nation, to a particularly draconian and brutal variant of communism.

So it’s ignorant name-calling, based not on facts, but on radical activism and the tactics thereof. It demeans the memories of all those who were murdered by both ideologies and willfully insists in believing in non-existent evil, whilst simultaneously remaining consciously blind to the historical (and present-day) injustices of its preferred narratives.

Jack Matthews

27th June 2019 at 1:17 pm

Obama was regularly called Hitler or a Nazi during his tenure as president. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Louie Gomert of Texas come to mind. Posters at Tea party rallies had his face portrayed with a hitler mustache regularly also with word nazi written on them. So let’s not, to be fair, pretend that calling a president a nazi is a new phenomenon of which only the left is guilty.

Phil Ford

27th June 2019 at 2:31 pm

Fair point, well made. I wonder why it is that – whether on the right or the left – when conjuring villains of totalitarianism so many people rush immediately to invoke Nazism; I mean, given the available evidence of communism’s vast crimes against humanity across a much longer period of time, in many more places around the world, and with a much greater death-rate, it seems counter-intuitive. Is it calculated misdirection or simple historic ignorance?

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 9:03 pm

Are you sure it wasn’t Mugabe being depicted ?

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 3:55 am

I’m quite close to a Hungarian guy born in 1958. He escaped through West Germany and has lived in Australia for thirty years, and is successful by many modern measures. His parents related to him stories of their friends fed through meat-grinders straight into the Danube. I doubt they teach that in Uni’s. Nor what was behind it.

fret slider

27th June 2019 at 11:05 am

The awful truth is that Democrat voters have no idea whatsoever. I pointed two liberal women towards the article on Joe Biden Undone by Wokeness and the response was…

“Spiked and Fox News. Open minded you obviously are not”

How Spiked got lumped in with Fox baffles me, but it was obviously assumed that Spiked is far right.

One for Brendan to address?

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 4:16 am

Spiked isn’t far-right..l mean, obviously. Nor is Fox, and I’ve been disappointed to see Tucker’s wet-nursing on Iran.

You were talking to imbeciles.

David Redfern

28th June 2019 at 6:31 pm

Oh goody, a far right comment!

Let me educate you. I am as far right as one can get. I believe in a small government, freedom of expression, freedom to work, the rule of law, Democracy, personal responsibility, and peaceful political discourse etc. You know all the sh!t the left tell people they care about, but don’t

I do not parade the streets dressed in bovver boots, with a shaven head covered in swastika tattoos, carrying banners celebrating the turd reich. That privileged is reserved for the left, from where both nazism and fascism emerged.

“Because we are socialists we have felt the deepest blessings of the nation, and because we are nationalists we want to promote socialist justice in a new Germany.” – Joseph Goebbels – from a widely distributed Nazi pamphlet in 1929 and 1932.

And to any right wing voters reading this; being far right is not nazism or fascism. Do not fall victim to acknowledging it or using the term in the way the left would have you use it.

David Redfern

28th June 2019 at 6:41 pm

Sorry, that comment came out as though I was attacking you.

Not so.

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 8:45 am

When we see Cortez Pelosi Clinton ( as she is still trying to make herself relevant ) Lemon Acosta, and all the others that condemn the ‘American fascist leader’ down at the border with food and clothes offering to pay for the migrants citizenship into America, and offer to keep them financially will I take them at face value.

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 8:40 am

When we saw this story unfold on the news my first thought was ‘why are there no people down there in the water taking them out, why is there only a camera taking a photo ?’
It then dawned on me that this photo was eerily similar to the little boy Alyan drowned lying on a beach face down laid out very straight as the poor unfortunates were photographed in the water. This story smacks of meddling.
The left never let a useful tragedy go to waste.
This is an absolutely tragic story , but we are responsible for our decisions in life, it went terribly wrong for them especially the child who wouldn’t have had a clue what it was all about. The question the needs to be asked is why didn’t they apply through the freely available proper channels.

Amin Readh

26th June 2019 at 11:45 pm

Love Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – just for the fact that she annoys people like O’Neill. If you are going to argue that immigration and treatment of migrants is such an important issue – then how come you only remember it when id defence of Trump? Might you try looking for hypocrisy closer to home?

John Holmes

27th June 2019 at 8:30 am

I love AOC as well…she is the American equivalent of Dianne Abbot. Clueless and as easily pulled apart as a bread roll.

fret slider

27th June 2019 at 11:11 am

If you are a fan of Occasionally Coherent, you’ll love this.

The Green New Deal – complete with those who don’t want to work and those flatulent bovines..

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf

Amin Readh

27th June 2019 at 9:43 pm

@ John Holmes

There, there. Such comforting statements should put a bit of lead in your pencil. Coming up with such is hardly taxing.

She is more like the non-Blonde Progressive Katie Hopkins. The right she-devil…

Neil Gibbs

27th June 2019 at 1:28 pm

So her only merit is that she riles BON.Your comment confirms what he says that political point scoring is more important than a coherent immigration policy.
Grow up and try to make a worthwhile contribution to the debate rather than your petulant tripe.

Amin Readh

27th June 2019 at 9:40 pm

@ Neil Gibbs

“So her only merit is that she riles BON.Your comment confirms what he says that political point scoring is more important than a coherent immigration policy.”

Try reading. His outburst are just that – what he accuses others of – political point scoring with attempts at out-doing the nasty. Stop being a tit for all your life.

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 4:23 am

O’Crazio-Cortex is eminently qualified to lead the American far-left. She actually seems to be one of their leaders already.

I like Katie Hopkins. She speaks sense.

Neil Gibbs

28th June 2019 at 7:23 pm

You can barely punctuate your reply you buffoon.As usual ad hominem attacks and smart arse remarks are your only currency.

Hana Jinks

26th June 2019 at 11:20 pm

It’s because all fake news comes from the left, and all leftist ‘news’ is fake.

Next Question..

christopher barnard

26th June 2019 at 9:55 pm

During the reign of GWB there was a weekly vigil at a church near my place of work in protest at the Guantanamo prison camp.

It stopped the week President Obama was elected.

The camp is still open for business.

Pernille Dahl Johnsen

27th June 2019 at 8:06 am

Astonishing.
I wonder how they themselves feel about that, what do they tell themselves to justify this complete lack of principle?

Hana Jinks

28th June 2019 at 4:28 am

I’m pretty sure that that was actually one of Barllakk O’Bummer’s biggest promises.

It can’t possibly still be open?

Dominic Straiton

26th June 2019 at 8:17 pm

I dont think were talking about Hitler. lirrely hiller is not Hitler.

Linda Payne

26th June 2019 at 8:07 pm

As sure as night follows day, a particularly tragic photograph has emerged showing a drowned father and daughter; no more tragic than the other thousands of deaths but one that will inevitably be exploited by the left; I can just imagine (or do I have to?) James O brien of LBC ratting on virtue signalling over the airwaves over this like he did over the recordings of children crying in these detention centres-the left clearly do not want a grown up debate on this issue which is a shame because I was once for open borders, not now

Brandy Cluster

26th June 2019 at 11:17 pm

The Left is a social clique which believes personal responsibility does not exist – that everybody is a victim of the amorphous ‘system’. The man who drowned made a decision to illegally cross the Rio Grande with his child; that is where the responsibility rests. None of this is rocket science.

James Knight

26th June 2019 at 5:13 pm

It highlights the difference between moral posture and moral principle. Most of the outrage is from people who don’t give a toss about the plight of immigrants, except to exploit them for party political ends.

Pernille Dahl Johnsen

27th June 2019 at 8:23 am

“the difference between moral posture and moral principle”, exactly! The lack of principle is the reason I’ve left the left; they don’t really mean it, and don’t really care, and don’t really take responsibility. And I was one of them.

Well, not anymore; I’ve grown up.

Danny Rees

26th June 2019 at 5:09 pm

“The contemporary cult of erasing borders, promoted by everyone from Brussels suits to the supposedly liberal chattering classes,”

He said it.

Take a drink everyone.

Jane 70

27th June 2019 at 5:38 am

Quite correct: immigration is not a right. Nations must have the means to determine who enters, who is given permission to reside and those who do not qualify should be deported as quickly as possible.
Virtue signalling, and ‘outrage’ have replaced the need for sensible debate and conveniently ignore the fact that the general public’s informed consent has never been sought on such a contentious matter.
Mass movements of people, driven by runaway population growth, poverty, resource conflicts and chaotic governance will continue in the foreseeable future.
The double standards employed by the misguided open borders advocates are hardly ever challenged by timorous politicians: Japan and South Korea have consistently rejected large scale immigration, wishing to retain their national and cultural identities.
The gulf states were notably excluded from any obligation to accept the millions fleeing Syria, Iraq, Iran , Afghanistan etc.
No one on the liberal left appears to be unduly outraged in these cases.

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 8:31 am

Danny Rees
And so did you !
Nothing to see here everyone….. as per usual.

Jerry Owen

26th June 2019 at 5:08 pm

Cortez is the ‘best’ the left in America can put up right now a ‘poster girl’ of sorts. She has a touch of madness in her eyes when she speaks, and is clearly a little unhinged, any young woman that wonders if women should have children because they help kill the planet is :-
A Certifiable.
B Should never have kids if that is how she values them.
Trump is likely to win the next election , Cortez will be one reason why and another reason is that he appears to be doing pretty well for America.
It will be fascinating to see how much lower the Dems can fall when they lose again, rather like our own ‘remainiacs’ now approving physical violence against democrats here.
Trump has pulled out of the whole climate scam which for me is the best thing he has ever done. Over here though traitor May and her green lobby leave us with an absolutely absurd trillion pound legacy debt that will destroy society here as we know it.
Right now Trumps America seems more sane than Britain even with Cortez in the picture. They don’t even have blasphemy laws ( aka Asda ) for God’s sakes !

Amin Readh

26th June 2019 at 11:49 pm

As mad as ever then eh, Jell? And just as wrong. What is more, you even know you are wrong. Cortez Vs Trump? Now that is a very easy option.

” is that he appears to be doing pretty well for America”

Love this statement. “…appears to be…” but in actual fact isn’t. See! Even you have trouble pretending…

Jerry Owen

27th June 2019 at 8:33 am

Amin
Trump IS doing well for America. There cleared that one up for you .

Amin Readh

27th June 2019 at 9:36 pm

Ah… 1-0 to me then. I got THAT response out of you.

gershwin gentile

26th June 2019 at 3:59 pm

14,000 Mexican troops deployed to the border to stop illegal immigration. Look forward to the left writing about that… Oh wait… Lopez is “left wing”.

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