The People vs Shamima Begum

If she's coming back, let's try her for treason.

Brendan O'Neill
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So Shamima Begum’s coming back. Or rather the Court of Appeal has ruled that she has the right to come back.

In an explosive decision that has outraged the government and thrilled the weird Shamima sympathisers in the chattering classes in equal measure, the court ruled that Britain’s most notorious ‘ISIS bride’ has the right to return to the UK to mount a legal fight against the government’s rescinding of her British citizenship. ‘Fairness and justice must, on the facts of this case, outweigh the national-security concerns’, said Lord Justice Flaux. And so the woman who ran away to join a murderous, enslaving neo-fascistic death cult that committed acts of barbarism in the UK itself will at some point come back to seek fairness from the UK government.

Understandably, the Court of Appeal’s decision has irritated many people. And no, not because they are Islamophobic, as much of the opinion-forming set would have us believe, but because they take seriously the offence Begum appears to have committed when she left London with two friends in 2015 to join the sworn enemies of the United Kingdom: the supremacist, racist, misogynistic cowboy caliphate of the Islamic State. That crime was treason. Begum is a traitor to this country. And if she is coming back that is what she must be put on trial for – one of the worst crimes a person can commit against their nation and their fellow citizens.

Of course there will be long public and legal debates about the rights and wrongs of the Court of Appeal overriding a decision taken by a democratically elected government – it was then home secretary Sajid Javid who decided in February 2019, after Begum was found in a Kurd-run refugee camp in Northern Syria, that her British citizenship should be voided. And there will of course be much discussion about whether it is ever right to cancel a person’s citizenship. Some of us are of the opinion that Begum cancelled her own citizenship, tore it into shreds in fact, when she joined the enemies of the UK that beheaded British citizens in Syria, slaughtered British children in Manchester, and killed our friends in France, Spain, Germany and elsewhere. But that discussion will go on.

For now, though, we should say that if Begum comes back then she needs to be treated as a traitor. All the talk right now is of Begum getting justice. ‘Ms Begum has never had a fair opportunity’, said her lawyer today. Perhaps now she will get ‘justice’, said her father. But Begum’s action against the government is, or rather should be, only a small part of the next stage in this story. Far more important is the trial of Shamima Begum for the moral, political and physical support she seems to have given to an implacable foe of the UK and to its deranged project of installing a backward, mass-murdering caliphate in part of Syria.

Among the commentariat, and in certain sections of the political establishment, there has been an unsettling, morally warped pity for Begum ever since a journalist found her in a camp. She has been talked about as a victim of ‘grooming’, allegedly having been brainwashed at the age of 15 by the online maestros of Islamic radicalism. Begum was a ‘grooming victim’, said a headline in the Mirror.

What was most staggering about the grooming script is that much of it was promoted by people who for a long time raised barely a peep of concern about the real grooming of mostly white working-class girls by mostly Pakistani gangs in the north of England. Although Diane Abbott, in February 2019, then shadow home secretary, revealed just how far the moral rot on the left had gone when she compared Begum ‘the grooming victim’ to the grooming victims in Rotherham. That Begum ran away to join a fanatical Islamic cult that was beheading Christians and crucifying homosexuals while the girls in Rotherham did nothing wrong whatsoever didn’t seem to matter to Abbott or any of the others determined to depict Begum as a victim.

Elsewhere, commentators insisted that Begum should receive a fair trial – fine, but these were often the same commentators who laughed in the face of concepts like the presumption of innocence and due process when it came to male celebrities accused of sexual assault during the #MeToo moral panic.

Times columnist Caitlin Moran depicted Begum as a fairly normal teenage girl who had ‘massively screw[ed] up’. Someone should tell Ms Moran that teens normally screw up by dabbling with drugs or getting into a fight, not by travelling 3,000 miles to join a death cult that drives through the desert in trucks with the heads of infidels attached to the back. Corbynista commentator Ash Sarkar even said she felt like crying out of sympathy for Shamima – whether she felt similarly moved by the plight of the Yazidi women massacred or enslaved by Shamima’s movement is not known.

The bizarre sympathy for Shamima in the British middle classes confirmed just what a warping impact the politics of identity has had on some people’s moral compass. Would these people have written teary-eyed columns if a young white British male had run off to join a neo-fascistic movement that slaughtered thousands and thousands of people from ‘bad’ races and groups? Of course not. But because Begum is a Muslim, and thus oppressed, she must be defended and felt sorry for and wept over. Identitarianism has blinded people to deeper moral and philosophical questions and left them capable only of parroting the correct line on oppressed groups, hierarchies of victimhood, woke posturing, and so on.

The sympathy for Shamima also downplayed the gravity of her offence. Hers was no normal crime. She appears to have committed treason and we should not be afraid to say so. This isn’t like robbery or assault or even murder – it is of an order greater than all of those. Most crimes are against the individual; hers was against the nation. If Begum is coming back, then let’s prepare the case against her.

It is reported that she was part of the Islamic State’s morality police, and that she assisted suicide bombers. Let’s investigate. Let’s interview Yazidi women, Kurdish fighters, Raqqa residents and others, and make a case of the British people vs Shamima Begum. Let’s make it clear that we take treason very seriously indeed, and we will not tolerate the grotesque repression and murder of peoples overseas of the kind that was carried out to horrific effect by the movement Begum ran away to join.

Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy

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Comments

jessica christon

21st July 2020 at 9:43 pm

“Innocent until proven guilty” yes, but in practise it can work differently at trial. If you’re tried for certain offences, the presence of particular curcumstances will raise a presumption against you. If you then cannot refute that presumption, you’ll be found guilty.

The right thing here would be if the circumstances (i.e travelling to Syria like Shamima, Jihadi Jack and “The Beatles”) raised a presumption against them. Then it would be for them to refute it with credible evidence and if they can’t then oh well chuck the book.

We’re just too soft, not just on this, it’s everything. We’re a country that has totally lost its confidence at home and abroad.

Cedar Grove

29th July 2020 at 1:52 am

There’s no reason why internet access shouldn’t be provided to Ms Begum in Syria, at the office of some British official representative. She could talk with her lawyer in a conference call.

I note incidentally that she has the same lawyer as the father of her companion Amira Abbas. He was trying to extort money from the police and the government by claiming that they were responsible for failing to prevent his daughter ‘s radicalisation. Subsequently, photographs showed him and his daughter, before her departure, at an al Muhajiroun rally, lionising Anjem Choudhry and rubbing shoulders with the murderers of Lee Rigby.

If Ms. Begum is charged with anything, she will be found Not Guilty for lack of evidence. The only way of avoiding that would be to bring over the survivors of Da’esh atrocities who can testify against her. And we won’t do that, so how can she receive justice?

At the least, she voluntarily joined a gang of known murderers and rapists. She went to somebody else’s country, and occupied a house stolen from an AssyrIan Christian, a Yezidi or a Kurd. She appropriated their garden, their possessions. She bore three children to a group which teaches little kids to shoot kneeling prisoners in the head, and displays mutilated corpses in the street. The father of her children followed a man who authorised the sale and enslavement of Yezidi girls after killing their fathers and brothers, and destroying their cultural icons and special places, trying to eliminate all trace of their existence..

Why are we being forced to allow such people to act with impunity? If they’d succeeded in destroying the Kurds, the fruits of victory would have been theirs. Defeated, at the cost of 11.000 Kurdish lives and countless Syrians and Iraqis, they pay no penalty. They stroll back the the UK to be given legal aid and cooed over. We have become so degenerate we can no longer recognise an enemy when we meet one, let alone resist. We just clutch teddy bears and pretend the atrocities didn’t occur.I understand the desire for revenge on the part of the people whose countries the West invaded and messed up. But Begum’s jumping in on that was gratuitous.

Citizenship isn’t a universal human right that exists in isolation. It’s a contract between a person and a state. It is reciprocal. It defines mutual concerns, and agrees terms for an alliance. If you violate those terms by fighting for an enemy army, burning your passport or in other symbolic ways rejecting the country that gave you citizenship, along with healthcare, education, equal rights, etc. I’d say you have no further claim on it. And that’s true for all the returning jihadists.

William Brown

21st July 2020 at 11:30 am

Begum is a symptom, not the disease. She is our problem and we must face up to dealing with her and the countless others who follow her path.

Unless and until we decide to deal with the underlying issues of burgeoning radical Islam, then we will continue to face these uncomfortable truths. Time to be radical? Not really – common sense is all that is required.

Bros Bro

21st July 2020 at 1:12 pm

Time to accept that the atrocities we have committed around the world has led to or atleast significantly contributed to the formation of Isi s

Thor Halland

21st July 2020 at 1:13 pm

What utter drivel this ‘Bros’ twat writes. His racist nonsense that insists only white men can be responsible for atrocities

Jerry Owen

21st July 2020 at 2:21 pm

Ah yes.. this is more like your own written childish drivel.

Danny Rees

20th July 2020 at 10:06 pm

Does Brendan realize we have a Tory government and it’s under a Tory government that Shamima Begum has been allowed to return to this country?
He probably does but he just uses her being allowed to return to bash the people who have had no say in her being allowed to come back, the chattering middle classes.

Jerry Owen

21st July 2020 at 7:56 am

Bros…thing is you see, is to try and study your opponent. Brendan is a self confessed ‘leftist’ he has told us numerous times in print and on radio shows and podcasts.
Your ignorance abounds yet again.
Your echo chamber is tiresome.

Bros Bro

21st July 2020 at 1:16 pm

Unlike you Jerry, I dont have opponents
I have opinions and whether hes on the left or right is irrelevant.

Jerry Owen

21st July 2020 at 2:23 pm

Bros the way you refer to people here and also calling them Karen’s as an insult you clearly have opponents.
Don’t talk such bull.

Jerry Owen

21st July 2020 at 8:00 am

Further more your (is it!)post talking about all the Karen’s on this site… You’ll find about 80 per cent of contributors are in fact male. Do you not feel embarrassed writing such twaddle?

Bros Bro

21st July 2020 at 1:18 pm

Then my comment is directed to the 20%
What a nob you are?

Jerry Owen

22nd July 2020 at 12:08 pm

Doesn’t alter my point does it ?

Bros Bro

20th July 2020 at 3:38 am

What deranged, hysterical and damn right crazy comments at the end of a rabble rousing article written by a devious and deceitful demagogue.

Before we feed Shamima to the lions let’s just ponder on what actual crime she has committed. My honour, at the age of 15, as a minor she stole some money and travelled to Syria to marry an adult who in all probability had been grooming her, for what she probably imagined would be a bit of an adventure., Therafter your honour we have evidence of absolute zilch. Not a single bit of evidence of any crime that she has ever committed as an adult.

Innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental human right or are we now applying I.S principles of law in Britain that even the sharia courts here denounce and condemn.

There are legal scholars and experts on here trying to blame her for every single crime that I.S has ever committed from raping Yazidi girls to readying suicide bombers. Why stop there? Why dont we just crucify her for 9/11 and 7/7 as well.

Contributors are pulling their hair out claiming that the corrupt system will ensure that she will walk free. Even those trying to portray a fake sense of justice and fairness (Darkbloom)are foxily insinuating that she is certainly guilty of much worse, only it cannot be proven. In actual fact It’s not the system, but her innocence that will ensure that she walks free.

There are white teenagers who after being proven guilty of killing and raping roam the streets of Britain as I type. For all you know, one of the killers of Jamie Bulger might be your milkman or your window cleaner. However, thats O.K because white privilege allows white teenagers to be “confused” “groomed” and then “rehabilitated”. I’m sure if she was middle class and white, her parents would have successfully portrayed her as a victim on This Morning and The One Show. However, a Brown girl must be the incarnation of evil even after losing 3 of her babies.

If she was truly radicalised and believed that every infidel in this country deserves to die, She would be a much greater asset blowing herself up here rather than travelling to kill other Muslims on the battle field at the other side of the world, but this distinction is too uncomfortable for some.

I am absolutely sure that Shamima poses no risk whatsoever to anyone in this country besides boring people with her stories of occasionally discovering severed heads in a dustbin. I’m sure she will come back and before you know it catch up with how characters have changed in Eastenders and Emmerdale. I sincerely hope she enrols on an intensive training course to make up for all the years of missed education.

If anyone disagrees, the ball is in your court to prove otherwise.

I forgive and feel nothing but the utmost sympathy for her. Losing 3 children for me makes the sentence of “time served” inevitable. She was radicalised here so she must be allowed back. We cant expect anyone else to clear up our mess.

Jerry Owen

20th July 2020 at 9:14 am

Bros Bro
You didn’t write this post, at least be honest and tell us you didn’t.
The killers of Jamie Bulger were in fact incarcerated for some considerable time before being released.
This article and the many comments are in fact in favour of her being tried.. you know, under our laws. Innocent until proven guilty as we all know.
Interestingly you mange to squeeze ‘white privelidge’ into an article about Begum ( yet ignore the issue of white girls being groomed ), she has confirmed some of her activities which you conveniently ignore, further she WAS a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation, this is something she has admitted to, but you conveniently ignore this.
Most of your post ( or whoever wrote it for you ) ignores key facts wantonly to fit your agenda, one of support for a terrorist.. being a member of ISIS makes you a terrorist therefore you are a criminal deserving of punishment, as Begum is. Period.

Bros Bro

20th July 2020 at 12:22 pm

Can we stop this nonsense about more than one person writing my posts. Its libellous and offensive. Where are the moderators when you actually need them? While like all humans, I have failings, faults and vulnerabilities, pretending to be someone or something I’m not is not one of them.
As someone who’s only ever had quickies, Jerry might not get this but sometimes I just slump in and out unworthy of the resulting need to have a shower. At other times, I’m a sensuous and fantastic marathon sex machine. Admittedly, with the Gyms being closed and I struggle with my ligaments, I am more likely nowadays to be the former. My posts are similar to this. Ofcourse, who you engage with and how much you feel the need to impress also has a bearing on how events unfold.
Sometimes I feel that you lot deserve to be left drowning blindly in your warranted ignorance, while at other times my sympathetic side takes the better of me and I feel the need to enlighten.
I’m certain feeling like this today.
So yes, 25% mischievous 25% trolling 25% serious and 25% a dick but I’m 100% honest and certainly 100% me.

Bros Bro

20th July 2020 at 5:22 pm

Jerry,

Innocent until proven guilty means you are at most 50/50 about her guilt but you and many other commentators have already made your minds up that she was a member of a proscribed organisation so what is the point of even having a trial. How many of you will accept the verdict if she is found not guilty?

Anyway, how can you prove she was a member? Does she have a standing order going into the account of the Caliph? Does travelling to Syria to marry someone make you a member? You say she has admitted to committing crimes while she was there, that’s news to me, I know she said that she saw severed heads but that doesn’t mean she had anything to do with severing them.
I am most of all really shocked by the lack of sympathy she is receiving from the “Karens” on this group. As someone who has lost children, you would atleast expect women to allow her a chance to redeem herself but the “Karen’s’ are the worst. It seems like they have nothing but nationalism and Faux patriotism to grasp onto in their miserable lives. In all of this you ignore the most crucial point that she was 15 when she left. She couldn’t just simply go on Southall travel and book a return ticket back could she? I am certain that she will walk and it will be a great day for justice. I hope you lot have the decency to accept the verdict.

Jerry Owen

20th July 2020 at 5:43 pm

Bros Bro
If it’s news to you what crimes she has ( herself claimed ) committed, you really shouldn’t be commenting as it shows your total ignorance on the subject.
She has hoist herself on her own petard. This is good news.
I note you avoid most of my points.. No surprize there.

Jerry Owen

20th July 2020 at 5:45 pm

Bros
Did you have to work hard to get the word ‘Karen’s’ into your post ?

Lancelot Gobbo

20th July 2020 at 8:33 pm

Umm, do you like spending a lot of time writing nonsense? I f you do, please carry on. For the rest of us, the question is simple. Is there a crime called ‘treason’? If so, has she committed that crime? Seems she may have as far as I can tell, and if so there ought to be a trial. Assuming trials are fair and give results that are just, why would anyone object?

Bros Bro

21st July 2020 at 7:46 am

And he Conveniently ignores that She was a Minor.

Thor Halland

21st July 2020 at 1:15 pm

Clearly this is a Multiple poster and you can’t libel someone if there is no identifiable name attached

Barry O’Barmy

19th July 2020 at 12:43 pm

Diana had an unfortunate “accident” and Dr. David Kelly “committed suicide”, so this woman should be given the same opportunity to shuffle off…..where’s 007?

Marvin Jones

19th July 2020 at 8:38 am

“The people against Begum?” We don’t stand a chance. The power held by Islam, BAME, BLM, and now ANY ethnic group with the might of the ECHR machine, have almost got to the final rungs of the ladder that will abolish any rights which may be claimed by a member of the white race. The powers of the numbers, growing like a bacteria daily
is unbeatable in any form or reason.

Bros Bro

20th July 2020 at 1:36 am

Drama queen

Geoff W

18th July 2020 at 4:44 pm

Yes Begum is a traitor. More to the point, the sharia ideology she went to Syria to support and enforce is seditious.

If any good is to come out of this saga, we MUST see a desire to implement sharia as sedition. An aim of implementing an alien legal system that is as discriminatory as the Nuremberg laws has to be viewed in that way if we are to survive the Islamic holy war being waged against us.

It will be interesting to see if the nature of sharia is raised at all by the authorities. I won’t be holding my breathe.

John Allman

18th July 2020 at 4:33 pm

I rejoiced at the news, of which I learnt from the judiciary mailing list when I was sent a link to the judgment of the Court of Appeal and the Divisional Court. Begum had been accused (credibly) of committing criminal offences whilst overseas. Now that she can be arrested in the UK and put on trial here, there is no point in the present Home Secretary continuing to defend the wrong decision the then Home Secretary, Sajid Javid took, which I thought was indefensible at the time, the exceeding of his powers in making Begum stateless, as far as I can see in order to avoid putting her on trial after applying for her extradition. The main effect of the wrong decision was to protect Begum rather than to punish here. She should become a British suspect, investigated for her crimes by British police, charged and prosecuted and sentenced.

Prior to this piece, I had read no news reports of the decision of the senior courts, only the information published by the courts themselves explaining the apparently correct basis for the decisions.

James Conner

18th July 2020 at 4:40 pm

” She should become a British suspect, investigated for her crimes by British police, charged and prosecuted and sentenced.”

And then courtesy of an oily lawyer, the obnoxious bitch would spend a token amount of time in prison, and on her release become a celebrity, spreading her filthy message of ‘death to all kafirs’.

Finbarr Bruggy

19th July 2020 at 10:55 pm

If she comes back, three things are certain. 1) she will never leave; 2) as most victims and witnesses are probably dead, it will be nigh impossible for a jury to find her guilty “beyond reasonable doubt” if she is tried; 3) she will be a free woman within a year or two.

James Conner

18th July 2020 at 3:10 pm

Apparently she’s taking part in an upcoming show to be filmed on location in Syria:

“I’m an ISIS Bride. Get Me Out Of Here!”

Bros Bro

21st July 2020 at 7:38 am

Those type of shows in which contestants are humiliated are for losers.
Fear not, I’m sure she will have a multi million pound book deal oven ready before she lands. The Newspapers trying to prevent her from returning will be begging her for an interview as well. Everyone wants to hear her story. Good luck to her.

Jerry Owen

18th July 2020 at 2:03 pm

There is an absolutely astonishing article in today’s times by Janice Turner.
I would urge anyone who can to read it. It is the best example of the madness of liberalism. I can’t go through every mad point raised, but two examples .. ‘Begum isn’t toxic waste to be dumped on another country’ and ‘ If we don’t show dignity and respect ( to Begum ) what better way to raise another generation of Jihadis”.
Astonishing article.

Jerry Owen

18th July 2020 at 2:04 pm

*Times*.

KATHLEEN CARR

18th July 2020 at 3:23 pm

Janet Street-Porter is also a fan ,apparently she thinks she is beautiful.

Marvin Jones

19th July 2020 at 8:41 am

Must be judging her by her own looks.

Jack Sprat

18th July 2020 at 8:28 am

A comparison could be in WW2 a girl rejecting her UK citizenship fleeing UK to join not Islamofascism but Nazi. Fascism and marry a German operating the gas chambers to get rid of the Jews and help maintain the uniforms in her spare time. Silence of course from the “poor girl” crowd on Yazidi rape victims and worse the children born to them fathered by “british” Islamofascists” who have contempt for this country. One would have thought “human rights” lawyers would be demanding UK. Face up to its responsibilities to bring these children here to be adopted by i…..

Stuart Warren

18th July 2020 at 1:10 am

Surely this is about treason or whatever is the modern day equivalent term. There’s a widespread acceptance that having citizenship (of anywhere) comes without obligations….that cannot be so…there have to minimum standards of conduct to protect the state and fellow citizens alike….one of them seems obviously to be not to go overseas to wage war against them….and the penalty in that case seems equally obvious…. to forego the right of abode or citizenship.
If we dont maintain that minimum requirement there’s no longer any basis for social cohesion….am I missing something?

Mark Almand

20th July 2020 at 2:27 pm

You are missing the law.

Let us say a government decides to remove citizenship from 16 million remain voters or anyone with a second home in France.

Fair enough a government wishes to do such a thing but what does the law and international treaties say in the matter?

The mundane reality is that a pensioner who rapes 77 children in England over an 18 month period still retains some rights and his citizenship and has access to justice up to and including the right not to be beaten up by prison guards while doing life.

Vivian Darkbloom

17th July 2020 at 9:50 pm

I reckon we’re in danger of losing basic principles here. We have a tradition of antifascism in this country; the ideology has never had much traction. You can’t get much more supremacist and fascist than Shamina Begum and the people she set out to join. So she’s is on her way back to trial in the UK; it’s a fait d’accompli and all considerations must deal with this reality. Syria won’t deal with her; the Kurds won’t deal with her. I contend she should be tried on the basis of crimes against humanity as her fellow travellers in the NSDAP were after WW2. I think the charge of treason would be a non-starter; after all, we have the example of Tony Blair and the Labour Party, all of whom are still running free. As apparently guilty as they are, this would open a huge can of worms. However, this is going to be very difficult and I have deep reservations about the coming trial and the outcome. For a start, the difficulties of gathering witnesses in what is still a war zone is logistically mind-boggling. It’s not enough to say that she was unfazed by severed heads; any trial requires clear complicity backed by evidence. Sure, Eichmann was eventually caught and tried 16 years after his crimes and this gave rise to Arendt’s idea of the banality of evil; and my goodness Ms Begum is, to all those with an antifascist moral compass, a modern exemplar of the banality of evil. But this all depends on a fair trial and at the moment she is still innocent of all charges as is right and proper. The evidence of her guilt must be clear and unequivocal.

It is reported that Shamina Begum was a member of the so-called morality police; that she prepared Muslim, Christian, and Yazidi women for rape, torture, and enslavement. That she stitched and assembled suicide vests. That she was engaged in the theft and appropriation of people’s property. Whether she actually killed anyone is a moot point if all this is proved; she will stand accused of facilitating torture and slaughter and theft, but evidence of murder must be presented and taken into consideration if true. A fair trial must discover the truth of these allegations, judge her, and sentence her accordingly. But the gathering of evidence is going to very hard work and the prosecutors must be up to the task.

So I hear the various excuses and the shouts from the media and her detractors and supporters who have judged her as innocent or guilty before she has the chance to stand up in a court of law. However I’d like to put forward a serious problem here. If Ms. Begum is guilty of supporting and facilitating the latest fascist incarnation called ISIS, then the British government should be in the dock with her. It’s a matter of record that the Prime Minister at the the time, David Cameron, stood up in the House of Commons and pleaded for support for the destabilisation and destruction of a sovereign nation which posed no threat whatsoever to this country. His foreign secretary, William Hague, echoed this desire to use British forces and British taxpayers’ money on yet another foreign adventure. All this is documented in Hansard – the parliamentary record – wherein PM Cameron attempted to garner support for the “moderate rebels”, in other words, the fascists of Al-Qaeda and its’ supremacist epigones ISIS, Al-Nusra, and the legions of fascism arraigned against the sovereign government of Syria. For the Tories, “moderate rebels” is the equivalent of the Labour Parties’ “weapons of mass destruction” and the “45 minute” untruth.

In the Nuremberg Trials, Nazi aggression against other sovereign states were judged to be wars of aggression, a legal principle which made a distinction between wars of self defence, and was entered into international law as the supreme crime which must apply to all countries. As Justice Robert H. Jackson, chief prosecutor at Nuremberg, stated, “The guilt we should reach is not that of numberless little people, but of those who planned and whipped up the war.” I don’t agree about the little people. They are also culpable. So first in the dock should be the aggressors but this does not exculpate those “little people” like Ms. Begum, as the trials of numerous other fascists illustrate. No, as a supporter of supremacist ideology and an alleged participant in torture and murder Ms. Begum must stand in the dock, but will others stand with her? It has been reported that hundreds of other fascist combatants allied to ISIS and supporters like Ms. Begum have returned to the UK with no oversight. It is only fair that they should be found, exposed, and prosecuted as well, just as their fellow Nazis were hunted down after the untergang. In short, we must hunt these Nazis down.

In effect, the British government would have to be on trial alongside the supremacists; Cameron, Hague, Blair, Campbell, and all the others who cheered these wars of aggression and supplied material and intellectual support to fascism in the Middle East. The trial of one fascist should not blind us to the existence of hundreds of others running free in our society and those “respectable” parliamentarians who provided them with comfort and support.

We have a serious problem with fascism and its supporters in this country.

Marvin Jones

19th July 2020 at 9:05 am

Enlightening Vivian. I put all the blame on the human rights charter for all law breakers no matter how heinous their crimes, it is purely a get out of jail free card. It’s only function is to care not a jot for the dead victims or the one’s that will be wheel chaired, bed ridden or even dependent for the rest of their lives. BUT! for the well fare and rights of these murdering rancid thinking medieval parasites who have fled their own filthy poverty ridden countries, they will leave no stone unturned. Right at the start of this evil satanic creation, the gutless politicians should have laid down a law that stated, anyone, no ifs or buts, swearing allegiance to ISIS and leaving this country to support them, would be deemed to be giving up their citizenship of Britain. Forewarned and legal. BUT ALAS! A spineless nation has emerged in the last 40 years.

Barry O’Barmy

17th July 2020 at 7:16 pm

Just how does the court expect this woman to get to the UK? We should not pay for her travel.
If she manages to arrive here, I agree she should definitely be charged with treason and preferably hanged. Perhaps if she is threatened with this she might choose to stay where she is. We certainly don’t want her.

Cedar Grove

17th July 2020 at 8:52 pm

It’s factually untrue that Ms Begum has to physically return to the UK to mount a defence. People have learned to use Zoom & similar apps, and there is no reason why she can’t be given internet access to her lawyers from Syria.

What is certain is that the people she helped to rob of their houses and land, or sexually enslave, or murder, will not be brought here at government expense to bear witness. We will not hear from the Christians, Yezidis, Kurds & Shi’ites Da’esh sought to exterminate. So how can justice be served if we only hear the perpetrator and not the victims and/ or survivors?

This country long since lost the ability to recognise an enemy, but this is taking absurdity too far. The Muslim grooming gang victims, all in their early teens, were falsely said by the police & social workers to be “making a lifestyle choice” when they were raped, trafficked and defiled. Someone who deliberately chose to join a murderous totalitarian organisation, to go to someone else’s country to confiscate their home and property, and sell their little girls into slavery, made a genuine choice. She doesn’t warrant sympathy. She should be tried in Syria, with arrangements made to secure testimony from those she harmed.

I notice that she’s using the same slippery lawyer who represented her friend’s father when, clutching a teddy bear, he lied to a Parliamentary committee, & tried to sue the police for his daughter’s pilgrimage. Fortunately, photographs of him and his daughter at an Anjem Choudhry rally, also attended by Lee Miller’s murderers, suggested a different aetiology for her commitment to the Islamic State.

Marvin Jones

19th July 2020 at 9:18 am

Oh, don’t you think they know that? and I am talking about the phoney Johnson government with their usual bogus ranting. The massive con is for her to put one step in England, never to be removed. Our asinine ruling mob know this as well hence she will be here soon. We can’t even return blatant illegals spewing on to our shores daily from an ECHR EU country deemed safe.

Denis Denis

19th July 2020 at 9:45 pm

So this apparently treasonable creature’s father says :
“All the talk right now is of Begum getting justice. ‘Ms Begum has never had a fair opportunity’, said her lawyer today.”

None of the totally innocent, unsuspecting victims, not a single one of them had a microsecond’s worth of warning – nor justice either.

“Come to the UK and kill, Begum & Co” is the message from our illustrious and noble lords of appeal.

Some mighty big changes needed to the legal way of life in the UK methinks ?

Marvin Jones

19th July 2020 at 9:10 am

Barry, she has the might of Islam, liberal vermin, lefty remain human rights mongrels and the majority ethnic demographically cancer, all behind her. She can’t lose, unless there is a nutter on the lose who could end this nightmare.

James E Shaw

17th July 2020 at 5:12 pm

By all means try Shamima Begum under treason laws Brendan. Her lawyers will have a field day.

What proven act of treachery has she committed? Yes she has gone and joined a repellent organisation but to the best of my knowledge she has not participated in any acts of violence against British servicemen or civilians, even though she has expressed sympathy with them. Fine.

But do we therefore jail people who express, or have expressed sympathy for the IRA? To the best of my knowledge Ken Loach has never been jailed for making films such as Hidden Agenda or The Wind That Shakes The Barley, which were, of course, in no way accused for portraying the IRA in a sympathetic light, were they? Indeed, it’s hardly as if Sinn Fein MP’s were ever charged with treachery despite being part of a terrorist organisation that allied itself with the Nazis during WWII (to this day a statue stands in Dublin of IRA Chief of Staff Sean Russell who died aboard a Nazi U-Boat on his way to Ireland in 1940 having undertaken training in Germany that was aimed at helping the IRA in a bombing campaign from 1939-40), went on to assassinate a member of the British royal family and on two separate occasions can close to assassinating a British Prime Minister?

And, on the subject of Spiked and the IRA, this following link makes interesting reading: – https://medium.com/@JRogan3000/spiked-online-ireland-and-brexit-767562a2fcc7

Of course this does not stop Shamima Begum from being a deplorable individual who should be charged with going abroad to join a terrorist organisation that is committed to attacking every value that this country stands for. But it is for joining that organisation, and not under laws of treason, that she should be charged. Her lawyers would have a point in accusing Spiked of hypocrisy for printing this article.

Having been convicted of joining ISIS, she should be sentenced to a minimum of 20 to 30 years with the possibility of parole if she agrees to undergo de-radicalisation programmes and to co-operate with the authorities on her knowledge of what she knows about her fellow ISIS volunteers.

And her lawyers would have no problem in defending her from Spiked, which has called for a statue to be erected of Thomas Paine. The same Thomas Paine, who, less we forget, wrote a pamphlet in support of Napoleon in his attempt to invade this country and overthrow it’s government.

Linda Payne

17th July 2020 at 3:24 pm

She’ll be treated like a celebrity – probably with a guest column in the Guardian, there she will probably blame Britain for her choices like the family blamed the police for not stopping her. If we we’rent so liberal in the first place none of them will be living in this country, but we are as soft as shit, I just wished the Kurds had exectuted her

jessica christon

17th July 2020 at 9:07 pm

@ Linda,
I completely agee – that’s what I was hoping would happen. If they’d done that, of course our government would have made a few noises, but they couldn’t and wouldn’t do anything about it and the problem would be solved. But for the fact that the Kurds still see the British as their ‘allies’, that’s the way it would’ve gone.

Vivian Darkbloom

17th July 2020 at 11:38 pm

It’s quite likely she’ll receive a suspended sentence and then be adopted by racist white saviours because she’s a dumb victim rather than a conscious agent. As much as I’d like to see a proper trial with proper evidence I’m not holding my breath.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see her “rehabilitation” taking place as a presenter on some BBC programme; “My islamophobic hell by Shamina Begum; a nasty white person made me do it and ran away”; later in the programme Shamina will show us all the things you can do with a severed head: “ya know, like, it’s great for trying out new hairstyles and stuff and doing make-up tests. Kids, just remember; keep your severed head in the fridge during this hot weather”.

Mark Almand

20th July 2020 at 2:40 pm

I am a right wing cretin so my big fear is that if she returns to England she will no doubt be Knighted by the Queen and be fast tracked for a cushy career in the Royal Navy and everyone who objects will be rounded up by woke millennials and put in a re-education camp.

At least now we’re out of the EUSSR we won’t have to listen to the Germans threatening to sue us unless we treble her stare child benefits, eh? Eh? What? You know it makes sense. Yeah? Right.

William Brown

17th July 2020 at 2:53 pm

When do we erect a statue in London of her?

Mark Almand

20th July 2020 at 2:56 pm

We have no statues to working class, female ISIS fighters anywhere in Western Europe.

We do have statues of wealthy white males who killed unarmed women and children though.

You people get confused. Maybe the newspapers you read fill your heads with garbage or you’re simply of below average intelligence.

If a woman tells you that “soon they’ll build a statue to them 7/7 bombers in Blackpool and that Mayor Khan will cheer them on no doubt – he hates us” you be sure to tell her she’s a cretin rather than going “i know. I hate that Khan”.

etidretni noinipo

17th July 2020 at 12:51 pm

As BON points out, it’s hard to imagine the largesse afforded Begum by many in the UK being forthcoming had she been white and had joined forces with a violent white or christian extremist organisation. They quite literally wouldn’t touch her with a bargepole. Essentially this shines a light once more on the left’s maniacal (and frankly masochistic) love-in with islam – a textbook case of “useful idiots”.

Finbarr Bruggy

18th July 2020 at 6:45 am

Excellent point. Also two things are certain if she is allowed back. 1) So nonsensical are our immigration/asylum/refugee laws that she will never be deported and 2) her crimes took place in a place and at a time where victims and witnesses are most likely dead, so there will be no evidence to prove her guilty “beyond reasonable doubt”. Her father also needs to be investigated because the girl wasn’t entirely radicalised online.

Jerry Owen

17th July 2020 at 10:05 am

If anyone wants to join ‘National Alliance’ be my guest, I warn you it is proscribed by our government and you WILL receive a prison sentence.
ISIS is proscribed by our government Begum WILL receive a prison sentence.

Which of those two examples do you somehow not quite believe?

GARETH WESTACOTT

17th July 2020 at 8:40 am

If she is allowed back in can’t we at least put her into Covid-19 quarantine for, say, 14 years?

a watson

17th July 2020 at 6:39 am

I wonder how Mayor Khan’s list of statues and Street names to be looked at is coming along. I have lost much confidence in the Metropolitan Police since Dick became Commissioner. Lady Hale and the Court of Appeal have undermined my faith in the British legal system. The Labour Party are not interested in my welfare and opinions – but then again I’m just a white, christian, working class Englishman.

Mark Almand

20th July 2020 at 2:46 pm

What sort of Christian are you?

Hopefully you’re not the kind of Tory “Christian” idiot who hates Khan and objects to any discussion of statues on nonsensical grounds.

Is the Lord Jesus your saviour? Are you looking forward to life after death?

Bros Bro

17th July 2020 at 4:45 am

A country cannot make one of its citizens stateless. Britain Radicalised her so it must take her back.
Team Begum!!

Andrew Shaughnessy

17th July 2020 at 9:54 am

Britain didn’t radicalise Begum – ISIS did.

Bros Bro

17th July 2020 at 10:51 am

And who funded all the so called terrorist groups in syria?

Jerry Owen

17th July 2020 at 9:57 am

Britain is a piece of real estate.

Bros Bro

17th July 2020 at 11:23 am

Occupied by Racists nd white Supremacists.

D G

17th July 2020 at 3:59 pm

‘Occupied by Racists nd white Supremacists.’

Which makes it all the stranger that coloured people leave the haven of France and make their illegal way towards this racist hell.

Andrew Shaughnessy

17th July 2020 at 11:24 am

The consensus (which actually unites the Americans and Iranians!) is that much of the funding for ISIS and Al-Nusra comes from private donors in Qatar and, to a lesser extent, Saudi Arabia.

Bros Bro

17th July 2020 at 8:15 pm

Or Is ra el?

juliusB

17th July 2020 at 10:37 pm

Do you live in this country? If so, why? You obviously feel nothing but hatred and contempt for us and our customs.

juliusB

17th July 2020 at 10:42 pm

And judging by a subsequent comment of yours you’re obviously familiar with drunken women – or “ birds” as you refer to them.

Vivian Darkbloom

17th July 2020 at 11:52 pm

OK Groomer.

Thor Halland

18th July 2020 at 7:45 pm

Britian did not ‘Radicalise’ Begum

Thor Halland

18th July 2020 at 7:46 pm

Who funded all the groups? Isis was funded by Qatar and some private funders in Saudi Arabia..what is your point?

Michel Houllebeq

17th July 2020 at 2:49 am

Giving British citizenship to anybody on planet earth if they just come here was and is wrong and idiotic of the highest level – I will never be Pakistani, Morrocan, Nigerian, Bangladeshi – so why are these people classed as “British”? a spit in the face and disservice to those who actually built the nation particularly the white working-class.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:21 am

The “he wasn’t all bad” argument as used in defence of certain genocidal maniacs, empire builders and slave traders.

So she returns to the U.K. and wins 350 million in the euro-lottery.

Then she spends the next 40 years using “her money” to do good deeds in and around Maidstone including making a large donation to the library of Maidstone’s art college.

The question is then, 100 years after she dies does she deserve a statue and a statue that can never be pulled down or removed because “we need to learn our history”.

100 years after her good deeds and death would we accuse those who think her statue is disgusting of being “woke fascists”?

Jerry Owen

17th July 2020 at 8:19 am

Lots of contortion there.
The point is that she should not be in a position to win the lottery. She joined a proscribed terror group and she relinquished her citizenship of our nation state for Islamic state that is at war with our state.
Everything else you write is hot air.

Bros Bro

17th July 2020 at 8:17 pm

She will be less trouble I guarantee than many birds who go out drinking every Friday and Saturday night. Then drink at home during the week.

Vivian Darkbloom

17th July 2020 at 11:58 pm

OK Groomer.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:05 am

If we (well, some rich men) had built a statue to this type of creature 150 years ago, Brendan would denounce the people who pull the statue down for attacking our history. Fools would rush to point out “she wasn’t all bad”

A 17 year old Bristol girl would suggest “her statue shouldn’t be here in my town” and a dullard Tory in Kent would respond with “shut up you stupid little woke leftist cow – leave our statues alone.‘

Using the logic of Brendan’s previous articles,, trying people for treason is the kind of thing ISIS – therefore any nation trying people for reason is like ISIS.

At least in this article Brendan doesn’t accuse James O’Brien of “not caring about the victims of ISIS” but Brendan, mate, if you wanted to know what Ash Saker thinks about the atrocities of ISIS why didn’t you just ask her?

If you’re going to hint that certain women in the U.K. have sympathy for ISIS then why not pose a question such as “Does Prince William’s wife secretly admire ISIS?’ or “Debbie McGee does charity work – but maybe she has some sympathy for ISIS and the IRA when she’s sat at home. ‘

Why just single out Ash as a possible ISIS sympathiser, mate? There are millions of women in Britain.

For all anyone knows, Brendan, Boris Johnson’s girlfriend has more sympathy for ISIS than Ash – but for do,e reason you didn’t raise that possibility.

For all I know, 1 in 8 of the Tory women in the Brexity parts of England would cheerfully watch me having my hand chopped off for theft – like ISIS wives, yeah?

You’re the journalist – you do the research and then you can tell us.

Thor Halland

18th July 2020 at 7:48 pm

Ash Sarkur has a large media profile. Her comments make her a target

trevor moriarty

17th July 2020 at 12:04 am

So she comes to the UK to stand trial for terrorism treason or what ever and is found guilty.
She goes to prison for a few years,James O’Brian demands she be released on compassionate grounds as she was just school girl and lost a child out she comes and lives the rest of her life here at our expense.
Or she is found not guilty and lives the rest of her life at our expense, either way she comes back to the UK she is staying , there is no where to deport her to and her lawyers know it, the second she sets foot on our soil she stays.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:26 am

Why bring James O’Brien into this?

You might as well go online to make out Charlie Brooker has spent years arguing that the age of consent in Wales should be 11. He hasn’t.

I have no problem with you disliking, say, Boris Johnson’s father but it would be pathetic to go online and pretend that Stanley Johnson would like to see female murderers pardoned on the grounds “Stan gets well upset when he thinks of women being miserable in jail, yeah? He’s a right berk.”

Bros Bro

17th July 2020 at 8:19 pm

I think she’s served her time
Give her a council house and let her get on with the rest of her life.

Vivian Darkbloom

18th July 2020 at 12:01 am

Er, like, OK groomer. Hey, I’ve been meaning to ask ya: have you ever heard of the 77th Brigade?

D G

18th July 2020 at 11:28 am

Just leave it, Vivian.

It’s just a lefty troll who wants to wind people up.

Vivian Darkbloom

18th July 2020 at 7:38 pm

Yeah, you’re right D G. The Bros Bro comments seems to come from more than one person; sometimes very literate and at other times one note. I shall take your advice and try to interact with sincere people. Mustn’t rise to the bait. Cheers.

Leon Kershaw

16th July 2020 at 11:54 pm

You know how some things get stuck in your brain, however unpleasant? There was an interview with Begum a while back during which she was asked how she reacted to seeing a bucket containing severed heads. Her response was that it didn’t faze her!
I understand that one of her tasks was to stitch suicide bombers into their ‘bomb vests’ so that they couldn’t change their minds! Having carefully considered her plea to return here after she voluntarily joined a bunch of animals whose sole purpose was to destroy us all, I’ve reached the conclusion that either she comes here & goes directly to jail for a very long time or alternately she can just f**k off.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:29 am

Hi Leon,

How many people did she stitch into suicide vests?

If she spends the next 30 years doing charity work would that mean she could have a statue in London despite the fact she was once tasked by ISIS to stitch hundreds or thousands of people into suicide vests?

Jerry Owen

17th July 2020 at 8:32 am

A Wren
What ridiculous straw man arguments… Taken to its logic we can all commit crimes then have a statue of ourselves erected for say donating to a charity and we can all be judged for our lifetime achievements.
Do we have statues for 70 million people and counting, for every living person yet to be born?
Where do all these statues go? Who pays for them? Who maintains and repairs them?
Does a statue become a trinket to absolve oneself of horrific crimes?
What if someone can’t afford a statue, do they not have the same right to have their good deeds prostrated in granite or a plaque?
Do you realize just how pathetic your straw man argument really is!

Brandy Cluster

16th July 2020 at 10:46 pm

Brendan, your erstwhile ideological marxism is now in full flower in the UK. I cannot understand why you’re surprised or upset about this decision where nobody is better or worse than anybody else. Surely you know this was the likely result of social engineering courtesy of Karl Marx? If not, why not?

CJ Hawes

16th July 2020 at 10:20 pm

Can we afford to take the risk? I think not. Our system of justice is both a great strength and at times like this a terrible weakness. It isn’t just a case for UK either. The sufferers in Syria will feel massively let down by this. The Ash Sarkars of this world will feel vindicated. Just how thoroughly vicious and nasty can these people get. Their myopic take on life is something to behold.

jessica christon

16th July 2020 at 9:09 pm

“Would these people have written teary-eyed columns if a young white British male had run off to join a neo-fascistic movement… ”

What do you mean, “if”? Jihadi Jack got the same decision a few days later, and the Shamima criers didn’t give two shits!

Katana 19

16th July 2020 at 8:16 pm

Thank you for this article. A breath of fresh air in the lunacy that is Britain today. I also fear that once here all will be forgiven. What she has done is unforgiveable. Imagine a girl popping off to shack up with a gestapo officer in 1943 and then begging to come back after D Day. Bloody madness. The people must fight not to let her stay.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:15 am

yeah imagine Europeans and Japanese and Americans living together after a global war that left millions dead.

Imagine a 48 year old Germany living in England in 1951.

Imagine a 52 year old American booking up with a 50 year old Japanese woman in 1962.

Imagine Vietnam war atrocities … then imagine one of those American soldiers holidaying in the U.K. in 1986, and not even bothering to tell the English woman he meets in the pub he’d even been to Vietnam.

Imagine if for several decades after major wars and conflicts, people who were previously sworn enemies rubbed along together?

Can you imagine it? Go read some history books if you can’t.

juliusB

17th July 2020 at 10:53 pm

If you read history books you should realise that there is a difference between the Gestapo officer and the ordinary “foot soldiers “ .
The Gestapo were tried at Nurmburg, the troops went back to civilian life.

KATHLEEN CARR

18th July 2020 at 3:39 pm

Except Isis was an illegal organization-just by joining it you show you are an enemy to your country. Most of the people who joined were not from Syria so they were not protecting their country. All the examples you give were official wars between countries and when the fighting stops gradually normal relations resume.

jessica christon

18th July 2020 at 6:07 pm

Your comment reminds me of those aristocratic Mitford girls who ran off to be in Hitler’s entourage before WW2, one of them, Unity Mitford was especially in love with him and his ideology. She shot herself when war broke out; Hitler paid for her medical bills and her carriage back home, where she died not long after.

Those sisters are said to be the only people who were close friends of both Hitler and Churchill.

gordon hotchkiss

16th July 2020 at 8:10 pm

I expect a statue to be erected in, say, Bristol.

Alan Wren

16th July 2020 at 11:50 pm

Why would wealthy right wing Brits erect a statue for her in Bristol and insist that it must stand for 150 years? She isn’t a rich white European Male slaver.

While statues of slavers and racists do have several million passionate defenders in the U.K. and the USA nowadays – “part of our history – he wasn’t all bad, mate” – she doesn’t fit the bill of the kind if person right wing men decide deserves to be immortalised in bronze and left to take up public space.

Obviously, not one left wing man or woman in England has so far offered to help erect a statue to her.

Maybe you’re a right wing man? I note that they do post loads of moronic shit online nowadays – a sort of hobby, I suppose.

juliusB

17th July 2020 at 10:54 pm

Evidently you don’t recognise sarcasm either.

James Knight

16th July 2020 at 7:40 pm

I doubt she will ever be put on trial. Whenever women are alleged to be involved in serious crime there is only one explanation: they are victims of men.

Brandy Cluster

16th July 2020 at 10:47 pm

As ye sew, so shall ye reap.

Cedar Grove

17th July 2020 at 9:01 pm

I don’t think the Biblical writer had a needle in his hand: he was using an agricultural metaphor.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:39 am

Your argument is that women are not put on trial in the U.K.

Are you a moron posting from Russia or the USA?

Ed Turnbull

17th July 2020 at 10:57 am

And are you a moron resorting to straw men at every available opportunity? Please, point me to the part of James Knight’s comment where he wrote that women are ‘never put on trial in the UK’. If that is what you genuinely inferred from his comment it tells us much about your lack of comprehension skills. Or, perhaps, more about your mendacity.

Mark Almand

20th July 2020 at 2:31 pm

ED:

James clearly suggests that “ I doubt she will ever be put on trial. ‘

Why?

Because “Whenever women are alleged to be involved in serious crime there is only one explanation: they are victims of men.”.

Quite clear, yes?

James is ignorant.

K Tojo

16th July 2020 at 7:38 pm

I expect the usual news channels will be offering us “insight” into the Shamima Begum case very soon. Whatever she did for ISIS she will be portrayed as a young victim who should be given a second chance.

The narrative will concentrate on the plight of “poor misguided Shamima Begum”. The victims of ISIS monstrous reign? They will be brushed aside as mere extras in the grand drama – unfortunate but it’s all water under the bridge now. The history of crimes against humanity is filled with the stories of perpetrators who have suffered no consequences for their cruelty.

L Strange

16th July 2020 at 7:31 pm

Well, as we’ve pointed out to you, time and again as you wanted the creature returned to the UK for trial, there is no crime of treason anymore. It didn’t suit the ‘Left’. It didn’t suit Blair. When your intention is to pull down the nation and wee on it, you wouldn’t want that to be illegal.

She’ll come back, she won’t be tried for anything, she’ll be granted the right to stay (and even if she isn’t, once she’s here we’ll never get shot of her – deportation from this country is apparently an impossibility regardless of what you do), and she’ll leech off of the British taxpayer for the rest of her life.

We don’t have a justice system in this country, we have a legal system.

Margaret Thomas

17th July 2020 at 1:14 am

there is still the crime of treason it was the sentence that was changed from if found guilty it is life in prison rather than be hanged.

Jerry Owen

16th July 2020 at 7:19 pm

How funny.. just a little tickle at Mor and it becomes nuclear!

Treacle Tart

16th July 2020 at 7:18 pm

The UK government was allowed to strip her of British citizenship because she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship and so would not have been rendered stateless. But it now emerges that if she went to Bangladesh she would be likely to be hanged for her crimes. So it seems we have to have her back.

According to our security services (reported in the Guardian), she was a member of the Isis morality police, carried a Kalashnikov rifle and had a reputation for strictness. She now she wants the justice that she denied to others.

Brandy Cluster

16th July 2020 at 10:48 pm

Ooooh; just like the morality police at “The Guardian” itself. Okey dokey.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:36 am

If there are “morality police” at The Guardian then they must also exist in the offices of pretty much every other newspaper in the western world.

Indeed, we know that one argument that Republicans and Tories have used over the past 50 years is that they are simply the best people to oversee their respective nation’s moral guidance.

If Republican voters and Katie Hopkins can talk openly of the spiritual dimension of their lives, and brag of their morality, then why not a young Guardian staffer?

David J

16th July 2020 at 7:10 pm

A truly excellent proposal from spiked.

If done publicly and properly, such a trial would be fair on Begum, the victims, and the British people.

Then again, her lawyers might suddenly decide Begum is best off staying where she is.

Let’s get to it.

KATHLEEN CARR

16th July 2020 at 7:02 pm

As she is a married woman shouldn’t she be with her husband who is a Dutch national? The flight of these schoolgirls was presented as a teenage whim in search of romance and adventure , but I felt it more likely they were directed by their families who also turned out to be sympathizers. The father of one girl ( the teddy bear ) was allowed here as an asylum seeker , but not only had he returned home many times to this place of apparent danger , he was pictured at protests with his daughter and has since returned to his homeland. I presume her return to Britain will garner lots of money to be directed to their cause- the Judgement seems unconcerned over security issues.

Finbarr Bruggy

17th July 2020 at 12:11 am

Begum’s father took her to a couple of radical meetings, didn’t he? The families aren’t entirely innocent.

juliusB

17th July 2020 at 10:59 pm

If they are all from Bangladesh I do wonder why they were regarded as asylum seekers. There is no problem that I’m aware of in Bangladesh. Probably they were poor but so are many people in that country.

Richard BRADY

16th July 2020 at 6:51 pm

This is another Leftist decision by the ridiculous Court of Appeal…Johnson can you get your fat finger out and do something after all you are the Prime Minister !!

Dominic Straiton

16th July 2020 at 6:16 pm

Unfortunately Tony Blair in a fit of far sighted self interest got rid of treason laws. As Begum is not at present British anymore the home secretary should simply bar her from entry as “not in the public interest” as with other hate preachers.

Gordon O Gopher

16th July 2020 at 6:13 pm

Why does Shamima Bubblegum always look so stoned? What and how much has she been smoking? I bet her dealer is well excited she’s coming back to the uk – kerching!

C J

16th July 2020 at 10:34 pm

They look more like the dead eyes of the psycho/sociopath to me

PAUL ROGERS

16th July 2020 at 6:12 pm

A very powerful argument, Brendan. Well said.

I have never ever spoken to an actual person that does not wan this woman to rot in the hole she chose to live in.

Mor Vir

16th July 2020 at 5:48 pm

We also need to avoid a cowboy court system. Yes laws ideally should be democratically accountable, but politicians are also accountable to the law. They can change the law but if they fail do that and act outside of it, then the law stands.

If Shamima broke any laws then she can be prosecuted. If she did not then she cannot. That is how the court systems work. Laws in place at the time, not retroactively applied. Did she break a law about ‘treason’? Doubtful. Did B break one when he opposed the GFA? Again, doubtful.

Did she profess support for a proscribed organisation, or did she just leave? Those are all matters that a court could decide according to the law. UK needs to maintain its court system.

Jerry Owen

16th July 2020 at 5:54 pm

Thanks for that…how seriously illuminating, packed full of things we never knew!

Mor Vir

16th July 2020 at 6:03 pm

Why are you such an arsehole?

Cedar Grove

17th July 2020 at 8:58 pm

The point is not simply whether she broke a law, but whether a UK trial can prove she did. If Begum is removed from the place ravaged by Da’esh, how can that happen? What ruins can we point to in London? What will count as evidence? Will the people victimised by Da’esh be brought here to give their testimony?

People who deliberately chose to leave the UK, renounce the West, and swear allegiance to another entity claiming to be a state, have no right to expect to be reclaimed by Britain just because their genocidal rampage has been curbed. Citizens have responsibilities to the state, as well as the state to them. It’s not a one-way contract.

Cedar Grove

17th July 2020 at 8:59 pm

The response above is to Mor Vir.

Bros Bro

20th July 2020 at 1:38 am

Hello!
She was 15.
Pedophiles are a much bigger danger.

Geoff W

18th July 2020 at 4:47 pm

She supported sharia law which is incompatible with human rights. We ought to treat support for sharia as akin to sedition.

Jerry Owen

16th July 2020 at 5:25 pm

MS-13 members in America have just been captured ( ‘Blaze tv UK’ , on YT ). The Trump administration is calling for the death penalty for those that have murdered innocents.
Here we can safely say that Begum will be allowed to stay, given a new identity or celebrity status ( I can’t quite decide ) home and lifetime income.
Some people say that America and England have less in common than we actually believe we do.
I suspect they may be right.

Andrew Mawdsley

16th July 2020 at 5:57 pm

Jerry. As depressing as it is, I fear you’re absolutely correct. She’ll be given the opportunity to appeal from Britain (despite the fact that trials can held quite properly over Skype or video conferencing), and even if she’s found guilty (unlikely) she’ll be given leave to stay with all of the perks and rights afforded to a persecuted minority.

A genuine shake up of our judiciary is required but I fear it won’t happen any time soon.

Alan Wren

17th July 2020 at 12:43 am

‘Even if she’s found guilty (unlikely”).

So your argument is that a jury is likely to find her not guilty?

You could probably find a bookies willing to give you good odds on that as bookies do love a man who thinks he’s got everything sussed and a massive brain.

Mor Vir

16th July 2020 at 6:07 pm

Thanks for the crystal ballocks …how seriously illuminating, packed full of things only Mystic Meg knows! Have you considered a job reading tea leaves?

Jerry Owen

16th July 2020 at 7:33 pm

Mor
My tea leaf readings will be far more interesting than your tedious poll recitals!

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