The revenge of the Somewheres

The liberal elite’s rejection of national belonging sowed the seeds of its current crisis.

Richard Norrie

Topics Brexit Politics UK

In his book The Road to Somewhere, my colleague David Goodhart identified two broad political tribes – those who see the world from Anywhere and those who see the world from Somewhere.

Boris Johnson’s election victory has once again brought this divide to the surface.

Anywheres tend to be younger and place more value on career and education – that is, they see themselves in terms of what they have achieved. They are also more comfortable with ethnic diversity and mass immigration, precisely because their identities are less rooted to place and group.

Somewheres, by contrast, are older and place greater value on the communities in which they live. This is not to say that Anywheres do not care about their community. Rather, Anywheres can see themselves prospering in any community.

Goodhart estimates that around 50 per cent of the population are Somewheres, 25 per cent are Anywheres, and the remainder occupy the grey area between the two camps. Both worldviews are perfectly legitimate, but the problem is that they can conflict.

From sitting in seminar after seminar, packed with policymakers, politicians, journalists and academics, Goodhart became painfully aware of how much the Anywhere view dominates public discussion, despite being a minority view.

I experienced this myself when I attended the British German Forum in 2016. It takes place each year in the bucolic idyll of Wilton Park, which is a branch of the Foreign Office and serves as a country retreat for influential people to meet and discuss policy in seclusion.

The forum was set up by Helmut Kohl and Margaret Thatcher in 1985 to foster better relationships between the future elites of Germany and the United Kingdom.

It was soon after the referendum on EU membership. Attendees were lobbyists, civil servants, think tankers and academics – all young or youngish. I was one of the few Leavers there.

There was a group of Remainers present who were reasonable and proved good company, but most were in a state of shock and were looking to use the time as some sort of collective therapy session.

The first session at the conference included Tory MEP Daniel Hannan, who was one of the architects of Brexit. I was impressed by him. Though I was wary of many of the politicians associated with the Leave campaign, he made some perfectly reasonable points.

Once Hannan had left, we broke off into groups to discuss what we had heard. Immediately, the verdict on him was that he was an opportunist and a charlatan. But this was only said once he was out of earshot.

Later, the conversation turned to British values, the very idea of which sparked sneering. Derisive references to cucumber sandwiches were made. Meanwhile, these elitists discussed how we might instil European values in the great unwashed, from our lovely vantage point in the Sussex countryside. They did not consider that it might be a little too late for that.

The discussion inevitably turned to how we might devise a second referendum to keep Britain in the EU.

The conference was dominated by Anywheres, tone deaf to the Somewhere voice that manifested itself in the Brexit vote. The diversity of opinion on offer was summed up by a discussion put on for us between Tory Europhile Ken Clarke and Labour Europhile Chris Bryant.

At the end of the conference, we were asked to give our opinion on the proceedings. I said the entire affair was like watching a football match between Manchester United and Manchester United. It got a laugh.

Manchester United feels like an apt metaphor for our elites – once, they set the pace; now they are jaded, failing and desperately trying to regain their pre-eminence.

The elites represented at events like these are not the elites who appear on television – the politicians or the commentators. These are the faceless, nameless people you’ve never heard of, but who exert far too much influence over policymaking. Their priorities are often out of line with the public, and they’re often not very nice people, either.

Our Anywhere elite has taken a massive hiding at the ballot box in recent years: in the EU referendum and at the General Election. Boris Johnson has successfully harnessed the Somewhere impulse within the electorate.

While the extent to which he himself is a Somewhere remains to be seen, Johnson takes the Somewhere vote for granted at his peril. The Labour Party did exactly this, abandoning its working-class Somewhere heartlands, and has paid a hefty price for doing so.

At the last election, Jeremy Corbyn thought he could just coast Brexit – despite being a lifelong Eurosceptic, he said he backed a second referendum but would maintain a neutral stance. All that mattered apparently was inflicting on us his socialist utopia; he made no commitment on the national question.

Under Corbyn’s leadership, the Labour Party has lost the working class to the Tories. Corbyn even managed to lose working-class voters in 2017 to former Tory PM Theresa May – a politician with all the charisma of an over-cooked parsnip, running on a manifesto that promised to bring back fox-hunting.

But this process began decades ago. The battles between Blairites and Corbynites over Labour’s future direction only remind us how equally bourgeois and out-of-touch those two rival factions are.

What our Anywhere elites have failed to understand is that nations are real, meaningful things. For Burke, a nation was a social contract between past, present and future. The state is a manifestation of its political will.

Nations are units of belonging defined by shared ancestry, language, history, religion, geography and borders. In that sense, they are exclusive, but they needn’t be reactionary or racist. It is entirely possible to reject chauvinism while believing in the nation.

Orwell analysed nationalism as a sickness that sought domination over others. But he did not mean that nations are wrong and need to be dissolved into supranational, regional entities. Indeed, he was rather fond of England and its way of life, describing it to his English readership as ‘your civilisation’.

It is common to hear populist movements described as ‘nationalist’, but this is not the primary motivation behind their rise. They are looking to conserve nations, not exert powerful nations over weaker ones.

If anything, the European Union’s insatiable desire for more power over its member states might be described as nationalist – for a nation that does not exist.

The architects of the EU are often called liberals, but its creation went against the best advice of one of the greatest European liberal philosophers: Immanuel Kant.

In his essay Perpetual Peace, Kant specifically rejected the idea of a supranational state because there was no national social contract to underpin it. He said the solution to the problem of war was to tame the nation from within, through republican reform of national governments.

Since Kant, we have learned that democratic national governments do not go to war with each other. Meanwhile, the EU is stagnant, unhappy, and has just lost one of its largest economies.

In this article, I have made reference to Kant, Burke and Orwell. Respectively, they are a liberal, a conservative, and a socialist. All three demonstrate an awareness of national belonging and its vital importance to politics.

The political class, meanwhile, has created a new world that goes against the preferences of ordinary folk. The poorer you are, the more you need national social contracts, both economically and psychologically.

As is often the case, popular political instincts have proved more astute than the big ideas propounded from on high. The dismissal of national belonging has spread throughout the elites, only to bring so much crashing down around them.

Let’s hope a more balanced consensus may emerge, as emerge it must.

Richard Norrie is a writer and researcher.

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James Knight

14th January 2020 at 6:07 pm

OK, I confess. I am an “Anywhere”. But I still voted for Brexit.


14th January 2020 at 5:01 pm

‘nations are real, meaningful things’ — Are they? Really? Last time I checked, they were in constant flux. England didn’t exist as a single polity until the early 10th century. Great Britain was formed in 1603. Scotland did not join until 1707. The United Kingdom came into existence in 1801. Mild patriotism is OK but anybody who worships ‘the nation’ needs their head examined.

steve moxon

14th January 2020 at 5:47 pm

Nobody does. It’s in Leftard imagination.
The nation is simply about the largest possible grouping of which human psychology can view as a group to which you can belong. Anything bigger is a daft concept, because inevitably it will drive desire to accede.


14th January 2020 at 6:52 pm

The Roman Republic, and then Empire, was multi-ethnic and lasted 800+ years. I’d say that’s a pretty good innings for a non-ethno-nationalist polity. The UK is also, technically, multi-ethnic since it contains several ‘nations’ – Anglo-Saxons, Celts, etc.

steve moxon

15th January 2020 at 10:46 am

?! Who said anything about ethnicity?!
Leftardism showing its dumb malicious spots.
Nations easily can be multi-ethnic as long as there aren’t large ethnic enclaves.
In any case, the UK is not multi-ethnic to any great degree: see recent fine-scale genetics research. The genes within UK folk mostly date back to mesolithic and neolithic times. Not many Angles or Saxons migrated here.

Jerry Owen

14th January 2020 at 9:18 pm

And here we are after many centuries .. a settled nation!
You parody yourself a treat .. keep it up ZP you are hilarious!

Jonnie Henly

17th January 2020 at 12:17 am

So settled that two separate parts of the UK are on the verge of breaking away.

Jerry you really do live in a bubble don’t you? Take a look at the outside world for once.

jan mozelewski

14th January 2020 at 4:50 pm

The illustrative photo is a picture of Stoke-on-Trent, where I was born. To people who don;t know it, it is held up as full of unwashed, ignorant backward racist (insert further ist of choice) Brexit voters. To those that do know it, it is a place of warm welcoming people who haven’t got a great deal but who are open-hearted about sharing it. It is definitely a Somewhere place….and that tends to also include the young.
Stoke (and North Staffordshire in general)i s a text-book example of a Somewhere place….rooted in regional industries and with a strong regional accent. People don’t tend to move away and generations of the same family stay fairly closely connected. Strange to some I suppose, how a place so often ridiculed (even as recently as this week by Piers Morgan in his ‘wet wednesday in Stoke-on-Trent’ against Harry) is so loved by many of its inhabitants. I also have found many people who locate their through study, work, (and in my husband’s case marriage) grow to love the place and call it home. It is homely.
I remember a French exchange student from a very pretty area of France, at the school where I also taught. He told me he was being housed in a rather drab block of flats from the 1960’s. His immediate reaction was fear and depression. However, he had a knock on the door on his first evening in residence and plucked up courage to answer it. He found two middle-aged ladies with ‘done’ grey hair. ‘Hello duck” they said by way of introduction. ‘We are going out for fish and chips, do you want to put your order on the list?’ He ended up loving the place.
There is a lot to be said for belonging ‘somewhere’. And this proves you don;t have to born in a place for it to be yours.

bf bf

14th January 2020 at 3:50 pm

Nationism rather than Nationlism would be a better description of the current backlash against the woking class and their inane drivel. Speaking of which am I the only one who finds the trolling of the comments with guff by @ZENOBIA PALMYRA irritating?

jan mozelewski

14th January 2020 at 6:42 pm

Zen’s OK. Stimulates debate , challenges assumptions and that is a good thing. Otherwise we just end up with an echo chamber.

Claire D

15th January 2020 at 7:51 am

I second that.

Claire D

15th January 2020 at 7:52 am

I mean Jan’s reply.

steve moxon

14th January 2020 at 3:32 pm

It’s worse than Richard Norrie here outlines. He claims “this is not to say that Anywheres do not care about their community”. Indeed. ‘Anywheres’ HATE their community, desiring to be above and separate from it. This is what the ‘Anywhere’ creed of Leftism is about at root. A Christian-residue ideology that comes to us via humanism — worshiping God > worshiping ‘humanity’ > worshiping a supposed (but actually not in the slightest) ‘scientific’ principle of ‘inevitable social change’ — precludes status-striving, but as this is universal then there has to be the pretense that the Left themselves (the ‘chosen ones’ of old) do not have such motivation. This is done by ‘projecting’ it on to everyone else outside the Left in-group. The Left proclaim themselves the saints and all the rest of us as devils.
The mask, having slipped, is in the process of being ripped off by all of us ‘also-rans’ in the Left’s ideological elitist bubble. The ‘Somewheres’ fighting back.


14th January 2020 at 1:00 pm

These ‘anywheres’ and ‘somewheres’ don’t exist. They are just absurd categories created by sociologists to keep themselves in employment. Real life is more complex and people don’t fit into neat categories because they are human beings, not abstractions.

nick hunt

14th January 2020 at 3:18 pm

Which categories for describing different groups in the abstract do you permit? You yourself use the abstract categories ”human beings’ and ‘not abstractions’


14th January 2020 at 4:58 pm

You can use any abstraction you want as long as you realise that they overlap, mutate and sometimes disappear altogether. These categories do not exist as Platonic Forms, they are ever changing…

jan mozelewski

14th January 2020 at 8:17 pm

Maybe so. Some people are always Somewheres and others are always Anywheres (when i was an RAF wife I saw a lot of them, people who had been brought up in Airforce families and had no geographical tie). There is also of course a middle ground or in a state of flux.
I was definitely brought up as a Somewhere. Went off to other places with work and then my husbands work and became a sort of Anywhere. Then went back and raised a family and once more was a Somewhere. Then off again after son left home….but hoping to be a Somewhere again before it all ends.
I think some traditional areas, with strong cultural bonds….Liverpool, Stoke, Newcastle among cities and of course rural areas like the Welsh Borders and Lake District. but equally I think we have different drivers at different stages of life.
I can’t imagine being an Anywhere all the time….it would make me feel quite depressed and unbalanced i think. At the back of my mind, even in my travels, I always have a ‘somewhere’ I think of as home. Even if I remember it with rose tinted glasses. It helps keep the black dog at bay. Its a basic human need.

Clueless 1

18th January 2020 at 5:52 pm

I feel much the same. I live in France at the moment but still feel like I should be in Yorkshire.

Anakei Ess

18th January 2020 at 10:29 pm

This is so true. I have lived in 5 different countries over the past 30 years and this on the surface makes me an “Anywhere” However if people asked me where I’m from I would always say England Now I hold another passport. and have chosen another country to live and retire in and I am proud to call myself a citizen of that country, so now I am once more a “Somewhere”

Jonnie Henly

14th January 2020 at 12:42 pm

“The poorer you are, the more you need national social contracts, both economically and psychologically.”

Psychologically? Why on Earth is that? Are poor people too stupid to be able to survive without the state protecting their feelings? Do they need the nation to proving them with constant emotional support?

It’s ironic how those who rail loudest against elitism can so often be some of the biggest elites themselves.

Jonnie Henly

14th January 2020 at 12:39 pm

“The elites represented at events like these are not the elites who appear on television – the politicians or the commentators. These are the faceless, nameless people you’ve never heard of, but who exert far too much influence over policymaking. Their priorities are often out of line with the public, and they’re often not very nice people, either.”

Ah, the conspiracy mindset, the idea that shadow “evil” figures are manipulating things from behind the scenes. It’s odd, because normally Spiked speaks out against this sort of pseudo analysis. What makes them endorse it here?

Jerry Owen

14th January 2020 at 9:20 pm

Cutting and pasting like a good’un eh!

Jonnie Henly

17th January 2020 at 12:16 am

Bless Jerry, you seem rather confused.

Warren Alexander

14th January 2020 at 11:50 am

Last year I had an interesting and illuminating conversation with a senior civil servant about Brexit. He compared those who voted Leave to recalcitrant teenagers; expressed contempt for the notion of the nation state; and disliked democracy because it caused disruption.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 12:06 pm

Typical of an establishment that expects the private sector taxpayer to prop them up whilst giving them a lecture. He is the recalcitrant teenager, denying others their right to be heard via the ballot box so he can stuff his own pockets. They are on the wrong end of the argument now and they’d better get used to it.

david rawson

14th January 2020 at 12:19 pm

1st few things need to be implemented are:
1. Max 2 days sick pay for them
2. No retiring before 65
3. No grade inflation as approaching retirement
4. No final-salary pension schemes

Not that I’m bitter or anything

Jonathan Yonge

14th January 2020 at 10:57 am

We are all ‘anywheres’ when we are young. Anything and everything is possible. But how can you value your history and home when you have nothing to measure it against ?

Trust me. Travel and talk to other nationalities. Hear what they say about the UK, grow older and wiser and you will become a British ‘somewhere’.


14th January 2020 at 12:22 pm

Jonathan, I see merit in your line but don’t think that you’ve got it quite right. Young people are more inclined to be ‘anywheres’, especially if they have had the benefit of a liberal and mind-broadening education. Young people are also far better equipped to move permanently and put down roots elsewhere. But as people get to late middle age they tend to become more appreciative of roots and a sense of community, whether it was the one that they were born into or one they have since made their own, and – not surprisingly – they don’t like to see it change radically. The UK is no paradise but it is a better country than most others.

Today, there is also a growing ‘anywhere’ elite. They are wealthy – or at least extremely well paid – they are showered with privilege wherever they go, but whilst their numbers are increasing they are tiny contrasted with the great mass. Over recent years they have had far too much influence in this country.

jan mozelewski

14th January 2020 at 8:20 pm

Very much my view as well.

Gareth Edward KING

14th January 2020 at 2:36 pm

Absolutely! I used to think I was an ‘anywhere’ but I’m most definitely a ‘somewhere’ now, although I’m a long way from ‘home’ (whatever that is). It’s the cultural ‘baggage’ which weighs on one as one gets older when realisation occurs that your ‘country of adoption’ still treats you as ‘not from around here’ however well you speak the local language and keep up with the local politics. I’ve thought so many times of taking on Spanish nationality, but it’s not to be. I wouldn’t be Spanish even if I were ‘Spanish’.
As the EU breaks up-and our leaving can only be the first-France and/or Italy’ll be next. Spain won’t be hanging round flying the EU flag, that’s for sure. It’s a country of ‘somewheres’ to the core (‘en mi pueblo….’) and the upward suge of Vox is almost inevitable (they’ll have to play up the anti-EU stuff though much more).

Miles Plastic

14th January 2020 at 10:57 am

The NHS is now overrun with these anywhere elite liberal types, all banging on about social justice crap about ‘diversity’ and what a ‘great fan of the NHS’ they are. They couldn’t careless, except about their useless nonentity careers. The smug arrogance of these nobodies beggars belief. They’re a cancer that will take down the NHS and the rest of the infrastructure they are now infesting.

Jonnie Henly

14th January 2020 at 12:40 pm

I wonder why the types that love to whine about this sort of thing never stop and consider themselves – and thus can never explain to others – how institutions like the NHS could become “infested” with such evil straw man in the first place.

steve moxon

14th January 2020 at 3:49 pm

Lowest common denominator crude derogation by the Left-addled elite of the masses for not buying the bull that the ‘egalitarian’ new boss is not like the old boss, when everybody knows that elites are status-grabbers however dressed up; this naff defence by the new elite becoming not-in-front-of-the-children groupthink to entrench its being dumped on the masses.

Jonnie Henly

17th January 2020 at 12:15 am

The elite only grabs status, it doesn’t create it.
And they only grabs status because they are fearful of it’s popularity with the masses.
That’s the fact you can’t get away from.


14th January 2020 at 1:03 pm

No Miles, the ‘cancer’ that will take down the NHS is lazy, stupid British people who abuse their bodies and put huge strain on it, capitalist middle managers and US pharmaceutical companies who can’t wait for Brexit…

nick hunt

14th January 2020 at 3:25 pm

Do historically-unprecedented mass-immigration rates have zero impact on costs, performance and demand for the NHS today, would you say? We can ignore such factors as immigrants’ weight, intelligence and history of fiscal contributions to the British state, if you like.

Brandy Cluster

14th January 2020 at 3:53 pm

Only yesterday on the news in Australia did we hear about the Academy Awards “not reflecting diversity and really discriminating against women”. These awards became tiresome decades ago (where, oh where, was Ricky?) but they are symptomatic of international grievance and resentment. Using affirmative action; just like the awards you got at school for actually being in the classroom.

Years and years of ‘equality’ of outcomes have led to where we are and I say again; much of it on the watch of conservative governments.


14th January 2020 at 10:49 am

The greatest prospect any Englishman sees is the plane to Germany.

Germany — a country more successful and democratic by just about any metric.

Jonathan Yonge

14th January 2020 at 10:55 am

So give me some metrics of your ‘success’


14th January 2020 at 12:55 pm

Christopher Tyson

14th January 2020 at 10:29 am

High achievers like to believe in meritocracy, the idea that they have achieved their position by dint of their own hard work and ability. No doubt in many instances they are right, but maybe they have to think this way, crippled by self doubt they would be completely useless and incapable of doing anything.

Social mobility remains a vexed question, it remains difficult or impossible to break in to circles of influence, and we can understand that those who believe that they have earned the right to their position will not give it up lightly.

Not so long ago social entrepreneurship was the big idea. There is something in this idea. We do not have to sit back and bemoan our fate. I was there when spiked started but I could never have started it myself, but no man is an island. Someone argued with me that spiked belongs to, and is controlled by old leftists (presumably with some sinister objective), but spiked is my peer review. What we need is more people who are willing to take responsibility and make things happen, not necessarily for financial reward. I’m thinking particularly of those who seem to be at war with our universities over ‘ decolonialising the curriculum’ and such, and I’m think about other things that they can do, establishing reading groups and those kinds of self help initiatives.

We are not here to destroy our universities and Western Civilisation, we are here to save them.

Observing the recent travails of our monarchy I was taken back to my youth. Yes I have found anarchism kind of interesting, yes I have been vaguely left wing, yes I have sold magazines with Marxist in the title on the streets (not very many, and not very effectively), yes I have been on the odd demo, they even left me have the loud hailer once. But going back further to the multicultural community in which I grew up, before ‘multicultural’ was even a thing. I was in the cubs, our group was mixed (diverse before ‘diverse’ was a thing) and welcoming and very popular. The cub scout law comes back to me, ‘I promise that I will do my best, to do my duty to god and to the queen, to help other people and to keep the cub scout law’, in strange and unintentional way, I’ve kind of done that.

david rawson

14th January 2020 at 9:09 am

Good article. I work in a multicutural business in Brussels, I’ve tried to explain that Britain wanting to be a sovereign state is not about xenophobia etc, but to no avail. This article has helped me to formulate a decent argument based on the fact that my colleagues are ‘Anywheres’, as the majority are really economic or educational migrants.

Jerry Owen

14th January 2020 at 9:06 am

When I look at the makeup of premiership football clubs it’s clear to me that they are made up of ‘anywheres’ .. the ‘somewheres’ whatch the ‘anywheres’.

William Murphy

14th January 2020 at 9:25 am

Yes….and the low paid somewheres pay for the anywheres’ supercars! It is bizarre, when you consider how football teams used to be deeply rooted in local communities. And even the stars would ride to matches and practice sessions on the local buses. Now superteams like Manchester United attract world wide fan clubs, so that my taxi driver in Singapore was aware of the Premiership action.

Jerry Owen

14th January 2020 at 4:37 pm

William Murphy
My team as a very young boy was Wolverhampton Wanderers, I remember them getting their first foreign player ( they were all from Wolverhampton at the time ) and there was much outrage. He came from Sunderland !
How things have changed.


14th January 2020 at 10:52 am

What about all the ignorant white English nationalists who stupidly fund the insane amounts of money these plastic sphere kickers get paid? No wonder they’re all living in poverty – they’re funding the lavish lifestyles of the football idiots.

Ven Oods

14th January 2020 at 1:31 pm

Not a fan, then?

nick hunt

14th January 2020 at 3:38 pm

What a slimy troll you are, Xenops! You clearly suffer from anti-white racism, typical of the nowhere elitie. You also have oikophobia, as Roger Scruton so wonderfully defined it, back in 2006: “The oikophobe repudiates national loyalties and defines his goals and ideals against the nation, promoting transnational institutions over national governments, accepting and endorsing laws that are imposed from on high by the EU or the UN, and defining his political vision in terms of cosmopolitan values that have been purified of all reference to the particular attachments of a real historical community.”
Xenops, it means you can only love other haters

Jerry Owen

14th January 2020 at 4:34 pm

What a truly ignorant post ZP.

jan mozelewski

15th January 2020 at 9:52 pm

My club is Port Vale. It has had a turbulent recent history thanks to an ‘Anywhere’ chairman (many would say carpet bagger). It is a familiar song. The new owners are employers locally and help support many community initiatives. The area is depressed it the positive influence they have had on the local community cannot be over-stated. It is a club for local people…it will never grace the highest echelons…but it is a family club and helps bind people together.
It may seem sentimental but it does work….the place has bucked up no end and people are proud of the Vale again. The actual bag-of-wind kicking is only a part of it. The leading goal scorer is a local man….was a fan on the Vale terraces and so was his dad etc etc. It is becoming a blue-print for how to have a sustainable local lower-league club. Because so many clubs are in trouble because they detach themselves from their roots and try to buy success and then, when it doesn’t come, there is nothing to fall back on.
Football….especially how well run a club is or otherwise….is a metaphor for communities in general. What works for The Vale also works in Burslem and the Potteries in general. People want to be part of something….especially in areas where there isn’t much wealth. That aspect has been ignored too long.

Geoff Cox

14th January 2020 at 8:46 am

“Though I was wary of many of the politicians associated with the Leave campaign …”

Ummmm, who can Richard Norrie be thinking of? Sadly, whilst a good article, my reading of this line is that Richard is not above a little bit of bowing and nodding to the woke “Anywheres”.

Come on Richard, come out and embrace Nigel and have done with it.


14th January 2020 at 10:53 am

Nigel was so woke he got his kids German passports before the wall came down.


14th January 2020 at 12:51 pm

Wall went up lol

Philip Humphrey

14th January 2020 at 8:00 am

“Anywheres” see themselves prospering in any community. That’s a laugh, they have a fit of the vapours every time somebody doesn’t conform to their rigid way of thinking. It’s a complete delusion. The only way they can prosper is by imposing their values on everyone else, as we have seen with the intolerance of PC and “wokeism”. And as they are discovering, there aren’t enough of them to do that, there aren’t enough of them for their preferred political parties (such as Labour or the LibDems in the UK) to win elections doing it their way.

Michael Lynch

14th January 2020 at 12:09 pm

Well put.

Brandy Cluster

14th January 2020 at 3:57 pm

“Values”? You must be thinking of something else because these certainly aren’t values. They represent fashionable bigotry.

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