‘You were promised the earth, and you’re going to get hell’

Steve Bray, the Stop Brexit man, talks to spiked about why he’s not giving up the fight.

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Before the 2016 EU referendum, Steve Bray was a rare-coins dealer in South Wales with a passing interest in politics. But the EU referendum got his blood up. He became convinced that Brexit was the wrong move and after Leave won he decided to do something about it. He became Stop Brexit man. For more than two years he has held a near-permanent protest in Westminster, heckling politicians using a giant megaphone, and holding placards in shot of TV news cameras, all in his homemade ‘Stop Brexit’ top hat. One of the more colourful characters in the anti-Brexit movement, Bray even stood at the General Election for the Liberal Democrats in Cynon Valley, where he came fifth.

But what now for Bray and his accompanying band of blue-beret-wearing Remainers? Since Boris Johnson won the General Election last week – delivering a pro-Brexit majority in parliament to implement the pro-Brexit majority vote to leave in 2016 – many Remainers are demoralised. There is a palpable sense that the battle for a second referendum, let alone a revocation of Article 50, is over. But Bray says he is fighting on. spiked spoke with him in Westminster yesterday. He was outside parliament as he always was, but in a new hat – a more funereal grey, rather than the usual EU blue. It was a fitting reflection of a damp, overcast day in Westminster, and of the spirits of the pro-EU movement in the wake of another historic defeat at the ballot box.

spiked: It’s after the election, there’s now a pro-Brexit majority in parliament – isn’t yours a lost cause now?

Bray: No, absolutely not. We haven’t left the European Union yet – where there’s hope, there’s a way. But Boris needs to be held to account. He’s a proven liar, he’s never kept a promise yet. Remember ‘dead in a ditch, do or die, 31 October’? Didn’t go well for him, did it? He should have resigned after that, to be honest. But there you go. We are where we are. And of course, we’ve got the transition period now, we haven’t left yet. So the campaign will continue, it’s just a question of in what format.

spiked: What do you think the route is now to stopping Brexit?

Bray: The route now for stopping Brexit is the people of Britain. It always has been. When you look at the election, more people voted for Remain parties than they did for Leave.

spiked: But Leave won the referendum, we’ve now returned a pro-Brexit parliament under First Past The Post, you still don’t think the people want Brexit?

Bray: Well, look, we’ve got a problem with First Past The Post. We need proportional representation, every vote should count, everybody should have a voice. That’s democracy. And that is not the system we have at the moment. If we did have proportional representation, everybody would have a voice, including Nigel Farage, smaller parties… But the two larger parties do not want proportional representation, because it does not serve them.

spiked: I’ve read that you weren’t that politically active before the referendum. What was it about that result that made you feel like you had to get involved?

Bray: Throughout the referendum I listened to the argument, and I knew that what was being promised was not possible. So based on that, doing a bit of research, people voting to Leave… I think it was too big a decision for us, Joe Public, to make. Because we don’t fully understand all of the implications. For the first year of Brexit, when we’re in the transition period, it will look rosey, because we won’t have actually left the curtain of the European Union. But after that, that’s when things will start to go wrong rather quickly.

spiked: You said there that this was too big a decision for us to make. Will that not convince people on the Leave side that you’re just not in favour of democracy?

Bray: No, absolutely I’m in favour of democracy. This is why I also believe that there should be a vote on a deal… Because there wasn’t an actual deal in our referendum, there was nothing tangible to vote on, just Yes or No, In or Out. So we should say to the British people: look, here is the deal, if you accept this, so be it, or we Remain and we work together in the European Union to make things better.

spiked: Say we leave on 31 January, we enter the transition period, and say we do end up leaving at the end of it, what’s the fight for you then – to rejoin?

Bray: If we do leave, the battle will be to hold the government to account while they’re in office and to look at every tangible way to get back into the European Union. I don’t think we’ll ever have as good a deal as we had, should we ever get back in. But that’s something that they need to sort out in there.

spiked: Have you bumped into your neighbour, Jacob Rees-Mogg, since the election?

Bray: He’s not my neighbour anymore. But I bumped into Dominic Cummings. You will have heard Boris’s acceptance speech, where he said, basically, I need to put a sock in it. Well, I will. I’ll put a sock in it when he stops lying and he’s more honest with the British people. So that’s going to be never.

spiked: What do you say to those Brexit voters who are happy about this government, people who do want their vote to be delivered?

Bray: I’d say to them, look, we are where we are. You now own this, and you are going to see the fallout from it. I don’t blame anybody that voted to Leave. You were promised the earth, and you’re going to get hell.

Steve Bray was talking to Tom Slater.

Picture by: Tom Slater

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Comments

Noel Mac

27th December 2019 at 1:16 pm

This incoherent buffoon who cannot string a sentence together obviously thinks we are all like him , that we should know our limitations and don the cap to our “ betters” . You’ll notice it’s the high brow media who give him credence not the man in the street who knows a first class idiot when he sees one

Richard Evans

23rd December 2019 at 8:02 am

Poor man is clearly unwell if he thinks people in the Cynon valley have “never had it so good” as they have it now. No wonder he came 5th in the election (with only 1/3 of the vote of the Brexit party and below the Cynon valley party).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/W07000070

Al Tudy

22nd December 2019 at 1:19 pm

In the aftermath of the general election the Remainers seem to have split into two camps.
The first comprises those who would have preferred to stay in the EU but, having conceded defeat, have an uneasy feeling that Boris might just be able to secure a profitable deal for the UK. Vince ‘bollocks to Brexit’ Cable advises those in the Remain camp to abandon ideas of rejoining the EU and cautions against fear-mongering and dire predictions because they could negatively impact on upcoming trade negotiations. Mark Carney, in his latest Bank of England forecast, has delayed the end of the world for another ten years. We will, it seems, have a decade of prosperity after which we will fall off the cliff and feel the results of Brexit. Very convenient!
The other group of Remainers, like the Democrats in the USA, will refuse to acknowledge reality and will become unhinged. We already see signs of Boris Derangement Syndrome emerging which neatly mirrors the Trump Derangement Syndrome of the last three years. He is a liar, a racist, a homophobe, an islamophobe and unfit to govern etc etc. These Remainers will regroup behind the likes of Anna Soubry and Gina Miller and probably form their own political party, ‘REJOIN’, its logo being a clenched fist on a blue background surrounded by an incomplete halo of yellow EU stars. As before they will try every trick in the book to thwart the smooth course of negotiations, resorting to the supreme court if necessary (until such time as Boris reforms it). They will routinely appear on the BBC, savouring with delight every unfortunate death under the NHS or negative blip in the economy, parading it as evidence that Brexit was a mistake, that people didn’t know what they were voting for, that the people have changed their minds and that it’s not too late to return cap in hand to Brussels and beg for forgiveness and readmission to the EU. Believe me, these people are dangerous and far from being a spent force. Brexit is not just a political battle, it is an ideological and cultural war which will last for years to come and we must continue to defend our gains.
Boris is right to reject EU standards and regulations in upcoming negotiations. Too close an adherence could easily prove an almost seamless return to life under the yoke of Brussels in ten or twenty years time.

NEIL DATSON

22nd December 2019 at 2:26 pm

Al, yours strikes me as a plausible summary of what is likely to become of the Remain lobby. The Gina Miller / Anna Soubry tendency will doubtless do all that they possibly can to make ill things come about, and yes, they will be granted the oxygen of publicity by a broadcast media that has always been heavily weighted in their cause. So many have invested such huge volumes of their personal self-belief in the cause of ignoring the referendum that they’re hardly going to turn about and accept that they may have made a mistake. To expect that would be to expect far too much of too many.

Probably the best hope for their relatively rapid silencing is that the EU’s shortcomings and difficulties become ever more prominent; hopefully without too many of the citizens of its member states suffering too much as a consequence. Obviously, should that happen, some of our most committed fanatics will always lay the blame at the door of the British racists, xenophobes etc who had the temerity to vote as they did in 2016.

Al Tudy

22nd December 2019 at 4:43 pm

Neil, I entirely agree. The European Union is destined to collapse under it’s own weight, paralysed by its sclerotic bureaucracy. Signs of its imminent demise will become apparent within the next ten years. However the historical narrative which the European Union will attempt to impose upon posterity is that it was the UK which delivered the fatal death blow from which the grand project was unable to recover from before it had the opportunity to bring its utopian paradise to fruition. By a fiction they will conceal their fraud.

NEIL DATSON

22nd December 2019 at 7:56 pm

Obviously, like all of mankind’s political constructs the EU is bound to come to an end. How soon? The sooner the better as far as I am concerned; the friendly association of democratic states is surely a much better future for Europe than living under its supra-national anti-democratic oversight. But I’m certainly not making any predictions. If it happens relatively quickly some of its champions will presumably attempt to ‘blame’ the British; most especially to ‘blame’ the English. Were that to happen there would a least be a delicious echo of William Pitt’s words available to us Brexiteers: ‘England has saved herself by her exertions, and will, as I trust, save Europe by her example.’

Noel Mac

27th December 2019 at 1:06 pm

Correct. We must be always on our guard against this 5th column of fantasists who even when shown the categoric proof we want out now will refuse to see it

Ken Dodds Dads Dogs Dead.

20th December 2019 at 7:23 pm

The poor chap is slightly reminiscent of the Japanese soldier who remained, excuse the pun, in the jungle for years after WW2 had ended and wouldn’t leave the jungle until his commanding officer was brought in to coax him out. Therefore, before Corbyn is put out to pasture he could at least have the decency to remind Bray that it’s all over and that democracy prevailed.

Ken Dodds Dads Dogs Dead.

20th December 2019 at 7:14 pm

Whilst Bray continues Braying the country has spoken, we’ve had our third referendum and the ayes have it. Its now, as the saying might go, all over, bar the Braying.

Willie Penwright

20th December 2019 at 8:51 am

Braying at the public through a loudhailer is a poor substitute for discussion; no thinking necessary and you get your picture on the telly.

Geoff Cox

19th December 2019 at 9:20 am

Is the decision to leave the EU any more complicated than a decision to stay? Does Steve Bray know the consequences of ever greater political integration, tax harmonisation, a joined -up military, judicial convergence, a single foreign policy, budgetary alignment etc?

TrappedInTheOffSide .

27th December 2019 at 8:33 pm

We had quite a few opt outs and not using the euro. So your either stupid or ignorant

BlueSkySeas FairWeatherSailor

18th December 2019 at 5:21 pm

Why is this No-Mark even being interviewed?
Pathetic bile ridden, anti-Democrat Remoaner.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

19th December 2019 at 2:26 pm

You can’t deal with different opinions, can you? How very Brexitish.

Ken Dodds Dads Dogs Dead.

20th December 2019 at 7:32 pm

As the inimitable Mrs T said.. “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

Cathal Barry

18th December 2019 at 4:24 pm

“When you look at the election, more people voted for Remain parties than they did for Leave”

^^^Fake News detected!^^^

Pro-Leave parties (Con, Dup, BP) 47% vs Pro-Remain parties (SNP, LD, Greens, PC, SF) 20.5%

Labour were not a Remain party, not in their Manifesto nor any official publication.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 3:39 pm

Brexit just proves how easy it is to manipulate large crowds with crude nationalist rhetoric and simplistic slogans. I don’t have a problem with the uneducated people who voted Brexit. My contempt is reserved for the City spivs (Banks, Farage) and neoliberal ideologues (Cummings, Mogg) who took advantage of the political and economic naivety of the masses. In the old days, this used to be called fascism. There is a supreme irony in the Brexiteers accusing the EU of being undemocratic when the UK has an unelected head of state and some of the worst levels of inequality in the developed world (second only to the United States). The people of Sunderland and Clacton are about to be betrayed – and who will they blame then?

Cathal Barry

18th December 2019 at 4:26 pm

Since when does democracy correlate with equality?? Look around the world, you’ll see the greatest equality is found in the most undemocratic of states – where everyone has equally nothing!!!

And the rest of your post is equally evasive, simplistic hogwash.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 8:01 pm

‘Evasive’, ‘simplistic’ lol.

Andrew Mawdsley

18th December 2019 at 5:47 pm

Zenobia. The reason many people voted for Brexit was that many of us were sick of being patronised by narrow minded people like yourself who would presume that they know what’s best.

It was not a primarily an economic argument either. Most of us who voted to regain a modicum of control over the people who write and enact our laws were more than prepared to take a short (and it will be) hit to the economy in order to be able to hold our legislative assemblies to account.

Perhaps if you had a little more faith in the people and nation of Britain as a whole, you wouldn’t show yourself as quite as jaundiced and ill informed.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 8:10 pm

By ‘patronised’ do you mean ‘disagreed with’? Isn’t it awful when someone doesn’t agree with you? I genuinely fear the damage you Nationalists will do to poor Britain. If the Scots have any sense, they’ll make a hasty exit!

Neil McCaughan

18th December 2019 at 6:31 pm

You silly, ill-informed, posturing snob.

Jerry Owen

19th December 2019 at 8:05 am

ZP
What has voting to leave the democratic EU got to do with unelected heads of state, was there a referendum on removing them as well ?
What an absurd comparison.. my my losing has twisted your logic.

Ed Turnbull

19th December 2019 at 9:38 am

@Zenobia Palmyra, you stated: “I genuinely fear the damage you Nationalists will do to poor Britain. If the Scots have any sense, they’ll make a hasty exit!”. Do you have any fear of the damage *Scottish* nationalists will do to Scotland? Or is it only British nationalism to which you have an objection? Is Scottish nationalism – which is mostly predicated on anti-English sentiment (as an Englishman who’s live in Scotland for four decades I know of what I speak) – OK? If so, why? Why should Scottish nationalism be OK, but British nationalism not? And let’s bear in mind the latter arises from a civic pride, rather than any ethnic hatred.

Cedar Grove

20th December 2019 at 11:14 pm

You appear to know very little about British constitutional history, including the constraints imposed by Parliament some 400 years ago on the monarchy.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 3:35 pm

Brexit is still a terrible idea. A huge economic gamble that has the potential to destroy this country’s international standing and hamstring its economy. I fear for the jobs of the people of Sunderland and Thanet.

Filbert Flange

18th December 2019 at 4:40 pm

We sure don’t need to worry about your job, lampooning around comment forums spreading elitist slander. Professional provocateur pays good these days, at least until your employer runs out of other people’s money, which should be sooner rather that later.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 8:13 pm

Lol I’m self-employed! I find your tone, like that of many Brexiteers, incredibly patronising. You do understand how free societies work, don’t you?

Filbert Flange

18th December 2019 at 9:36 pm

Indeed, most if not all PR minions like you are contractors. Likely zero hours and remuneration is based on word count, as we are all so painfully aware. So predictable, so vapid, so transparently phony.

How many monikers are you using in here now, seven? Tell you what, if you won’t be so good as to jolly well bugger off, at least you might try and say something pertinent and original, rather than just cut and paste somebody else’s words off your script, again.

YAWN!

Jerry Owen

19th December 2019 at 8:09 am

ZP
Total hogwash, you don’t fear for the people of Sunderland or anywhere else that voted leave.
You want to see them punished, you want rising unemployment for them for voting differently to you.
We can see straight through your fake concern. Try and be honest, not that you are relevant anymore , because you lost the argument.

jan mozelewski

19th December 2019 at 8:12 pm

Oh do put a sock in it. You seem to need the last word on everything. Get a job. take up knitting, collect EU stamps….anything. But for god’s Sake stop assuming you are thinking great depths and exposing great truths. They’ve all be thought before…and rejected as well.

Hugh Bryant

18th December 2019 at 3:28 pm

These remain extremists are going to look pretty silly when we finally leave and barely anyone notices any difference apart from cheaper and more exotic food in the shops.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 3:42 pm

The true, long-term effects of Brexit will not be known for at least another decade or two. If the EU has held the UK back so badly, please explain to me why we have had almost continuous economic growth since the early 1990s? Britain has boomed in the EU. The problem was the distribution of wealth, which is an internal UK matter, and nothing to do with the EU. Of course, scapegoat the EU for the UK’s self-imposed structural inequalities if it makes you feel better.

Joseph Brown

18th December 2019 at 4:48 pm

Every day I see you on these pages whining about the UK and how awful we all are for more bowing down to your EU overlords. Well the UK is and, thanks to the British electorate seeing through the lies and propaganda of the EU and its supporters, remains a democracy and so with that in mind know that you’re free to leave any time you choose.

Neil McCaughan

18th December 2019 at 6:33 pm

Is it true that you were once Senna, the soothsayer?. You sound awfully like her, with that shrieky tone, and groundless pessimism.

Ed Turnbull

19th December 2019 at 9:46 am

Continuous economic growth? Really? What about Black Wednesday? That happened on the EU’s watch, and likely wouldn’t have if we hadn’t been in the stupid ERM. How about the crash of 2008? I suspect if we hadn’t been constrained by EU rules on government spending / intervention we have found a less painful way of recovering from it.

Continuous economic growth? Aren’t we supposed to have been suffering 10 years of ‘Tory austerity’? I really wish you leftists would pick a story and stick to it. And on the subject of austerity, have you asked the Greeks how they feel about theirs? It was imposed at the behest of the EU. Ditto Italy. Guess the EU wasn’t so good for their ‘continuous economic growth’, huh?

Ven Oods

18th December 2019 at 3:28 pm

Looks like he lost his Super Shoutyman outfit along with his funding.
Why wasn’t he asked who’s going to be footing the bill for his continued presence from now on?
Or is rare-coin dealing more lucrative than I thought?

Joseph Brown

18th December 2019 at 3:23 pm

Sir, we didn’t leave on the 31st because Boris lied, but because our departure was once again blocked by those who sought to dismiss the voice of 17m people and bring about the end of democracy.

You talk about the people of Britain and yet the people of Britain don’t share your belief in the EU and have clearly stated that on no less than 3 occasions in the last 3 years.

Time to move on with your life. You lost. Democracy is restored. Remain is dead.

Michael Lynch

18th December 2019 at 2:48 pm

Silly me, I thought it was the other way around! We were promised the earth (freedom and the ability to trade with the rest of the world) or to get hell and remain in a dying political club (Europe).

Steve Gray

18th December 2019 at 2:35 pm

Dean 61

18th December 2019 at 1:59 pm

His insight is almost as enjoyable as when Jo Swinson was asked “What is a woman?”

Marvin Jones

18th December 2019 at 1:56 pm

How is it possible that people like Bray can be so definite and confident about the destruction of this country due to Brexit. How could he be so asinine about something we have never tried or been through, how could he, when almost everything about “project fear” was phoney and bogus tripe?
Well! we are about to prove ignorance and cowardice wrong.

Hugh Bryant

18th December 2019 at 3:22 pm

If you had invested three years of your life in the Remain project you’d be as desperate as he is for the Brexit project to fail.

Cathal Barry

18th December 2019 at 4:33 pm

Absolutely. One thing terrifies Remainers far more than Leaving – Leaving and making a success of it.

M Blando

18th December 2019 at 8:16 pm

I’ve marvelled, since the beginning of it all, at all the infallible crystal balls so many folks appear to have. I had no idea. It must be wonderful to be able to foretell the future with such accuracy, even where experts fail to agree. Strangely, you would have thought more of them would be wealthy as a result of being able to predict the future so well… but no. A mystery that one… not.

Ken Dodds Dads Dogs Dead.

20th December 2019 at 7:47 pm

Actually we have tried it it was before the country was sold to unelected bureaucrats, which actually occured, initially, in 1961. However, the country was in fact incredibly prosperous at that time but has been going rapidly downhill ever since. Nevertheless, we now have every opportunity to climb back to prosperity and independence. Let it be so.

Charles Buonaventura

18th December 2019 at 1:44 pm

If Brexit was too complicated to put to a public vote, then the same surely goes for general elections where you’re voting for someone to represent a party and their programme of government – should we not just do away with voting and leave it to the experts?

If you’re a Remainer who refuses to respect the 2016 result on those grounds, or because of the “standard of debate” which is no higher in a GE campaign than it was in the referendum, then I fail to see how you can be against democracy one case and for it in the other.

Ven Oods

18th December 2019 at 3:36 pm

“If Brexit was too complicated to put to a public vote…”

… then it was way too complicated for some of the nonentities the electorate just defenestrated (with a few honourable exceptions).

Neil McCaughan

18th December 2019 at 6:35 pm

If Brexit is too complex an issue for the average voter, where does that leave Angela “Crayons” Rayner?

M Blando

18th December 2019 at 8:25 pm

What in life is not complicated? Saving and buying a house is a complicated affair, provisioning for one’s retirement is a complicated set of decisions; deciding which career, what education and job opportunity to pursue… so much in the wider world can move the goal posts on these decisions.

Yet at the same time, it’s so simple. The Brexit vote was simply racist. No nuance, no complexity, no other considerations or factors at all. How astoundingly simple.

jan mozelewski

18th December 2019 at 1:24 pm

I live in France. I cannot pretend that Brexit won’t cause me some difficulties. I will overcome them one way or another. We live in a changing world.
I am glad that the British people chose democracy. It’s what my dad gave 5 years of his life for and my uncle, who died a few miles away from where I now live, gave his life for.
I cannot fathom why people are so wedded to the EU unless they have vested interests. (In which case, fair enough but declare them!) The local French here are in exactly the same position as their counterparts in the ‘forgotten’ and ‘left behind’ areas of the UK. (The ‘metropolitan elite’ thing is alive and kicking everyone else in the teeth over here in La Belle France as well.) They are envious of the UK having the chance to escape. Because all the EU has brought to them is austerity, marginalisation and an erosion of their democracy (Their referenda were ignored.)
I am STILL waiting for a POSITIVE reason for staying in the United States of Germany….all I ever get is fear-mongering from a bunch of limp-wristed cowards.

Marvin Jones

18th December 2019 at 2:08 pm

That was a down to earth comment about the realities of our situation. Of the 27 countries, is there one that is booming economically? is there one whose citizens are prosperous and have full employment? why have 3/5 million EU citizens fled to Britain? BUT! is there just one EU politician suffering from austerity or poverty? check out what they eventually take home per annum, even the lowest paid will shock us.

Geoff Cox

19th December 2019 at 8:49 am

Hi Jan – Nice comment.

Remainers virtually always have a vested interest in the EU or have a family member or close friend with a vested interest. I ran the Vote Leave campaign in my Constituency and spoke to hundreds – probably thousands of people. Leavers always talked generally about the benefits to the country of sovereignty, democracy, controlling borders etc. Remainers by contrast may start off with a general point about trade, but within a sentence or two, the argument would change to “my son works in Italy …” or “The company I work at imports from the EU …” or “I have a house in France …”

True to left wing form, they then turn truth on its head and accuse leavers of being selfish!

Tim Wheeler

18th December 2019 at 11:58 am

I was unable to suppress a smile when I saw this top piece of political analysis from Bray: “He’s a proven liar, he’s never kept a promise yet. Remember ‘dead in a ditch, do or die, 31 October’? Didn’t go well for him, did it?” You Think, StopBrexitMan???

Tim Wheeler

18th December 2019 at 1:02 pm

I see the exact reverse of what Bray sees. I see ‘Do OR Die’ as a brilliant move by Boris. It clarified beyond doubt to Brexit voters that their current elected representatives would stop at nothing. First to undo their Inconvenient democratic vote for Brexit and, secondly to concede more sovereignty to the E.U. – thus dis-empowering their votes and making future U.K. general elections increasingly meaningless. Boris forced the Remainers to make this ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR. Bray demonstrates an almost comical failure to see cause & effect.

Neil McCaughan

18th December 2019 at 11:51 am

Mr Bray reminds us that Christmas is a time for particularly nutty fruitcakes.

James Knight

18th December 2019 at 11:30 am

Johnson is a chancer who needs to be held to account. But I am pretty sure people have the wit to understand “die in a ditch” was not literal and it could not be delivered because of the Brexit blockers in parliament and those who wanted Johnson imprisoned for implementing what people voted for. It is their antics that ended up giving Johnson a thumping majority.

If Remoaners want to blame someone for the current situation they should look to Blair and Corbyn.

Lanky Lad

18th December 2019 at 11:22 am

First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is….

You don’t know you’re a member of the Dunning-Kruger Club.

M Blando

18th December 2019 at 8:31 pm

I’ve been struggling to come up with a way of describing what seems to be rife… you have handed me it. I thank you.

B Fullerton

18th December 2019 at 10:57 am

Like Greta…. Bray clearly has mental health issues deserving of out pity not ire.

Jerry Owen

18th December 2019 at 10:53 am

Bray
You will be reading these comments, so just to say the look on your face at the top of this page is priceless. I will remember that image of utter dejection and anger for years to come and smile every time !

Martin Luerssen

18th December 2019 at 10:39 am

Yeah, the UK will suffer enormously for leaving the european union. Like it does for the incredibly stupid decision to not join the Euro. Oh, wait…..
Seriously though, I am looking forward to Brexit. This will leave the UK as a country, where my daughter might potentially emigrate to, leaving this mental asylum (by some known as germany) behind.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 8:05 pm

We’ve had 30+ years of almost continuous growth in the EU. Why jeopardise that? It is unlikely that we will be able to achieve growth rates above the 2.5 per cent p.a. the UK was posting in the 1990s and 2000s.

Ed Turnbull

19th December 2019 at 10:00 am

As I asked in my other response to you: what about Black Wednesday and the 2008 crash? Hardly 30+ years of continuous growth.

And what’s the evidence to support your assertion that post-Brexit we’d struggle to match (or exceed) the growth we’d achieved within the umbra of the EU? The simple truth is there is *no* evidence – one way or t’other – all we have are predictions. And those coming from the Remain side are largely hysterical fear-mongering that makes me wonder if St Greta (pigtails be upon her) has been employed to write the Remoaner scripts these days.

REG VARDY

18th December 2019 at 9:49 am

‘Remember ‘dead in a ditch, do or die, 31 October’? Didn’t go well for him, did it? He should have resigned after that, to be honest. But there you go. We are where we are.’

Where are we again? We have just seen the Conservatives oversee a landslide victory, a victory which gives Boris a clear mandate to get Brexit done. Using the same hindsight freely available to Mr Bray one would be on safe ground venturing that if Johnson had indeed resigned on November 1st, then it would not have been the smartest move available to him in his political playbook. Then again perhaps an abstractionist out there might be able to explain Mr Bray’s anachronistic thinking so that it makes sense in their world of make believe, good luck with that.

Jim Lawrie

18th December 2019 at 9:35 am

He is a self opinionated ignoramus in the mould of Stanley Green, the Protein Man, who would have neutered or capacity to think for lack of nutrients. The whole interview above is substance free.

Hugh Bryant

18th December 2019 at 3:27 pm

Oh God – I remember the protein man wandering sadly up and down Oxford St for years on end. It’s a perfect analogy. There’s clearly something missing from Bray’s life in exactly the same way.

NEIL DATSON

18th December 2019 at 8:55 am

I didn’t know that he stood for the Liberal Democrats in Cynon Valley. It’s a shame that he wasn’t elected as they need a new leader. He’d have made every bit as much sense on the great issue of the day as the last one.

Ed Turnbull

18th December 2019 at 8:30 am

It would seem, in Steve Bray, that we’ve found our new Screaming Lord Sutch, albeit one who’s not as entertaining as the original. Bray’s responses to Tom Slater’s questions are naught but a slew of incoherent blather. He claims that BoJo should resigned for failing to deliver Brexit by 31st October, conveniently ignoring the fact that it wasn’t due to any failure on BoJo’s part but a result of unending obstruction from the Remoaners in Parliament.

Bray claims that the electorate lacked the mental capacity to understand the issues surrounding Brexit, and, this, the question should never have been put to them. I have a question for Bray: believing what you do did you recuse yourself from the vote? No? I’ve often heard that line of arguing from Remoaners, and I always ask them that very question: did you recuse yourself from the democratic process? Embarrassed foot shuffling, or blatant deflection, inevitably follows, but never an admission of their hypocrisy.

Nowhere in that interview did Bray articulate a positive case for remaining in the EU – what possible benefit could be worth sacrificing national sovereignty? Instead Bray’s like a six year old who simply can’t accept that Santa didn’t bring him the train set for which he’d so fervently asked. It’s probably too much to hope for that he grow up and start acting like an adult, but every cloud has its silver lining and his continued ‘protest’ will be an ongoing gift to Leavers.

Jerry Owen

18th December 2019 at 7:49 am

Bray believes in PR.. but not if you are one of the 17.4 million that voted leave presumably.
He asserts wrongly that we were promised the Earth we never were, that is a lie.. what have Bray and his hysterical ant democratic mob ever said to convince us that staying in the EU is the right thing to do?
Sweet FA .. yes three years plus and he gives us not one reason why we should stay in the EU.
I hope Bray stands outside parliament for the rest of his days as a monument to what an anti democratic, anti sovereign, anti working class hysterical nut job looks like.

NEIL DATSON

18th December 2019 at 9:00 am

Perhaps there should be a public subscription to erect a statue of him in Parliament Square?

Chester Minnit

18th December 2019 at 9:11 am

Hmm, perhaps a statue to Boris instead? He managed to topple a treacherous Parliament and deliver the demands of the people.

Marvin Jones

18th December 2019 at 2:16 pm

If he thinks that Johnson’s promises and manifesto were impossible to fulfil, he surely didn’t have the time to go through Corbyn’s wish list created by some Leprechaun in his muddy plot.

Bridget Jones

18th December 2019 at 7:49 am

The hypocrisy is astounding. ‘ More people voted for remain parties than leave’ in this election so somehow this means there isn’t a consensus to leave the E.U. yet when Parliament was made up 80%of MPS whose manifesto pledged to uphold and implement the result it was ‘their duty’ to do everything in their power (with many new powers gifted by the partisan Speaker and the courts) to block the implementation of the biggest democratic exercise in our history.

Marvin Jones

18th December 2019 at 2:18 pm

AND! not only to fight with their might against our democratic choice, but to invent phoney laws to stop democracy by treachery.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

18th December 2019 at 8:06 pm

Who cares? Brexit is an utterly stupid idea anyway.

Noel Mac

27th December 2019 at 1:11 pm

Big pants or not I have to agree with your sentiments

Stephen J

18th December 2019 at 7:47 am

Interesting that he says he followed the argument and knew it was the wrong thing, but that in general the electorate was not qualified to deliberate, and consequently we have made the wrong decision.

There isn’t much thought required when it comes to a choice between nationism and globeism, the former wins every time since it is the closest that the modern world can get to the biologically natural family/tribe model that has pervaded history.

He is trying to suggest that ann arrangement entered into without the say so of the British people is impossible to end, because that is how business is done…

…I have news for Mr. Bray, the rest of the world disagrees and just laughs at and then ignores the high prices charged by EU companies.

Dominic Straiton

18th December 2019 at 4:53 am

When you invest so much of your life into a failed cause its hard to admit its over. Ash Sarkar is having the same problem. I remember the Greenham common women who camped outside the American air base years after the missiles had left because their lives had no meaning without the cause.I dont care how long this troubled man keeps up his ridiculous protest, but if the braying keeps up someone should shove his megaphone up his ……….

Noel Mac

27th December 2019 at 1:07 pm

… up where the EU don’t shine

Filbert Flange

18th December 2019 at 3:06 am

Just looking at Bray from a hemisphere away one can almost smell the pomade and cigarette butts. And the unpolished plywood teeth…

Chester Minnit

18th December 2019 at 9:05 am

Disagreeing is one thing but there’s no need to get personal.

Jerry Owen

18th December 2019 at 9:40 am

CM
Like Bray didn’t get personal about my ignorance in voting Brexit !

Filbert Flange

18th December 2019 at 4:30 pm

Have you ever bothered to actually listen to the bile that clown vomits out his cake-hole? HE set the bar 10 feet into hell, so you will excuse me for refusing to follow your self- serving rules.

ZENOBIA PALMYRA

19th December 2019 at 2:27 pm

Looks like your average Essex English nationalist. Not the sharpest tools in the box.

Noel Mac

27th December 2019 at 1:09 pm

Get back in your box, were ever that’s from

Noel Mac

27th December 2019 at 1:09 pm

Listen to his interviews…. a moron sprouting moronic nonsense

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